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It's really hard for me to believe - really hard



Why there is all this negativity when we are having our best season ever. Fans anywhere else but Indy would kill to be in our situation.

Star-divide

I guess the fact that I don't live in NOLA gives me this huge difference in perspective.  Year after year I see teams - in particular Phila, NY Giants, Ny Jets and Baltimore Ravens as serious contenders and their stadiums  are 1-2 hours from my door. I get bombarded by information in the newspaper and radio and local TV and the fans of these teams just are so confident to the point of arrogance.  But, they believe in teams that have 80% of the talent we have. Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez, Eli Manning and Donovan Mc Nabb?  Anyone want to trade?  Anyone want to trade our receivers for Philly's or New york (either) or Baltimore.  And my in-laws are in the DC area and we are there frequently and I know a ton about their teams the last 2 decades.

Let me tell you fans with little faith- you just don't know what we got.  And you better believe the fans affect the players.  Just ask Mc Nabb, they have been booing him and trying to get rid of him for 10 years and he knows it, smells, it senses it tastes it.

We have a great team. This is the NFL, however. Great teams don't ( extremely rarely) go better than 13-3.  And the bye and homefield advantage are just extremely huge- ANY other team would kill for it. We lost 3 games that meant NOTHING.  Hurt us in no way at all unless you let it. In Phila and Ny they are trash talking and chirping how they are going to win.  Baltimore too. And all we can do is run down our defense, bitch about our LBs, plot about how to get rid of our DC, call Reggie a scam, ask what's wrong with Brees, moan at Mike Bell and ask  how come Sharper and Roby (leading the NFL in KO returns) is slow.  It's absolutley ridiculous and if I didn't understand the history of the Saints and if I hadn't suffrered since 1984 like you guys have done, I would call  you losers and a**holes.  But you aren't, you are just scared and panicked and pessimistic because of the past. We have made history here.  We will make more!!  Does anyone here think that we could not have won in 2006 vs the Bears? We were one step away!!  Now we have a chance to get pack there.  That's how you do it, in steps.  We are ready.   We should have beat the Bears, we didn't ergo the Bears were better than us. Call it an upset or call it fate, but we can be the Bears of 2006 or the Saints of 2006.  We are better than both of those teams and we are capable of beating any team in the NFL, IF we play well. But no one here is being realistic- you all think we should win every game by 27 pts!  It doesn't work that way.  Now, get behind your Saints, think positive, don't build up these other teams in your brain making it seem like they are the 72 Dolphins and we are Eastern Missouri Junior College.  We can do this but everyone has to be on fire not pussyfooting around wondering where it all went wrong.  there is nothing wrong. I guess I am different.  I believed in this team BEFORE they started winning.  I knew they were talented.  No team has a perfect roster, Indy, Minn, SD - none .  Everyone has some positions better than others. That's why offenses score TDs and why defenses get fumbles and interceptions and make stops on 3rd downs.  . No team is perfect. But we are going to show everyone just how good we are and the fact that we took care of business when it counted in the regular season is going to help us now.  WHO DAT!!! 

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fyi im on your side. saints will look midseason form when the dome opens up jan 16. i can just see it now…ahhhh…meachem up the seam….reggie down the sideline…brees throws deep…grant….well…smith with the sack. its going to be great!!

oh yea fire sean payton

by sernycrusher on Jan 5, 2010 6:48 PM CST reply actions  

glad to know someone is seeing straight!!

"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking

by Philinwood on Jan 5, 2010 7:26 PM CST reply actions  

I call it being passionate

These folks know football because they eat, sleep and breath Saints Football year round. When they party they party hard and after a case or two of beer they Piss Black and Gold behind the shed/shop/House or where ever and life is good as long as our Saints are kickin ass and takin names. This is exactly what’s goin on rite now. We can trash talk them all we want but outsiders nare say a word. Dems Fightin Words Boy !!!!!
I love it more than life itself because I don’t have long to live. I always said if the Saints go to the Super Bowl, I could go ahead and die. Well, it;s close.

by saint-sly on Jan 5, 2010 7:29 PM CST reply actions  

BOOM, REC'D

I have felt the same way for some time. All of our “opinions” on how to better the team since ’06 have pretty much been achieved. Plus we have home field advantage and Brees running the show.

Like I said earlier, be prepared to put up well over thirty in the playoffs if you plan on beating us. 24 points (yes I’m talking to you Dallas) won’t get the job done. This is our year, this is our dome.

by Ditka'sGhost on Jan 5, 2010 8:04 PM CST reply actions  

BOOM BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!

Wish I would have written that!

Another SAINTS fan in Panther country!
GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!
COPIED from another CSC member: "WHO DAT! Yeah, I said it, too!!!!!!

by SAINTSfaninNC on Jan 5, 2010 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec it!

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Jan 5, 2010 8:45 PM CST reply actions  

Now we're TALKIN!!!

"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking

by Philinwood on Jan 5, 2010 8:51 PM CST reply actions  

Oh Yeah! We're just the worst 13-3 team in the history of the NFL..

rested and ready, humble and focused, stand-by for victory!

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Jan 5, 2010 8:51 PM CST reply actions  

I with ya

Rec #3
Thank you Phil. I’ve felt this way since the preseason, too. After NE, I asked myself honestly and incredulously “Who can beat us?” And I honestly felt, at our best, “nobody”.
Got a little nervous after the Tampa fiasco because I thought we might just piss away homefield advantage after one of the best seasons for any team in the NFL. But after we secured the number one seed with a bye, I’m back to really feeling we are the team to beat.

In Breesus' name we play

by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 5, 2010 8:52 PM CST reply actions  

Yea... If he comes to NOLA it's gotta be T-bow

"I feel sorry for people that don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, thats as good as they are going to feel all day" Frank Sinatra

by CaddoCoonass on Jan 5, 2010 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

and what if we draft t-Bob hebert as a backup center?

then we’d have the T-Bob to T-Bow connection – UNSTOPPABLE.

"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray

I DON'T MIND MAKING HISTORY

by Hans Petersen on Jan 5, 2010 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Like a tandem Mr. T......................................

"I feel sorry for people that don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, thats as good as they are going to feel all day" Frank Sinatra

by CaddoCoonass on Jan 5, 2010 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Having been a POW for 25 years now... it does not take long at all...I forgot exactlly who coinned the phrase "familiarity breeds contemp" but I know now what he meant.

"I feel sorry for people that don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, thats as good as they are going to feel all day" Frank Sinatra

by CaddoCoonass on Jan 5, 2010 9:45 PM CST reply actions  

Last 10 years something like this

3 – losing season
7-9 – 2007
3-13 – 2005
7-9 -2001
3 .500 seasons
8-8 -2003
8-8 – 2004
8-8 – 2008
3 playoff appearances
2010
2006
2000
2 other winning seasons
13 -3 -2009
9-7 – 2002
I’m in a hurry, of to work I go

by Deckape 69 on Jan 6, 2010 4:45 AM CST reply actions  

Read your post

And I kinda sorta agree with the majority of it, I think.
I DO believe the 3 losses hurt us. It hurt us as fans by making us see that maybe the Saints aren’t as good as we thought they were. Unfortunately, we got spoiled by them going 13-0. 1 loss was ok, because it would (hopefully) cause humbleness and make the Saints re-double there efforts to not let it happen again. Alas, that wasn’t the case. After loss #2, “here we go again, same ole Saints” began creeping into people’s minds. Now, after loss #3, alot of people are wondering if the Saints are as good as they seem, or was it all a fluke. I, for 1, believe we AREN’T as good as we think we are. Yes, the Saints have a good team, but not as good as Minn., Philly, or, dare I say it…Dallas! Why? Because, since week 1, we’ve caught teams that hadn’t either reached there stride, or caught them in bad situations.
Thankfully, after a couple or three wins, our abilities increased and we began beating teams that alot of people didn’t think we would. Now, after 3 losses, we are back to the team we always have been…mediocre at best. Just as a winning streak helps carry momentum into future games, so does a loosing streak. I hope the Saints can buck the trend and not let the loosing streak gain momentum, as the winning streak did.
I have complete faith the Saints have the abilities to win and beat almost anyone, just as alot of teams do. Football is as much a mind game as it is a physical game. Trouble is, when you’re beaten physically….all the positive thoughts in the world can’t win you a game. If the Saints get overpowered in ANY playoff game physically…as the saying goes…..just wait til next year.

by Scott2417 on Jan 6, 2010 7:03 AM CST reply actions  

I know 1 thing - Payton knows more than I

I know Sean Payton is smarter than I am. I have no doubt that if HFA was on the line in the Carolina game, it would have been a different result. I read someone else’s post that Sean may have been tanking the last 3 hands to get our future opponents lured in to a sence of complacency, while still retaining HFA. I can see Sean thinking like that. You get teams trying to do what Wash, Dallas and Atlanta did to us (like trying to through long passes) but now you have Greer and Porter back so Sharper is free to roam and you get the defensive intensity we saw at the beginning of the year. It’s called setting them up for the fall or the rope-a-dope.
I have no problem with this season, in fact if NO wants to do this every year, it is fine with me. I was so tired of being asked “Hasn’t NO been eliminated from the playoffs yet?” because my co-workers knew that every year I would start figuring out around week 9 what it would take for the Saints to be in the playoffs and to know precisely when they were technically eliminated. Not this year baby. This year the math was easy. Once we reached 11-0 I relaxed. Which coincides with the play of the NO Saints.

I really liked Ajun-Cajun’s response to the Carolina fans when leaving the last game. They were razzing him about the Saints losing and he said something like “Well we will see how our teams do next week, Oh wait a minute only one of us is eligible to still be playing…”

by Comp on Jan 6, 2010 11:02 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I rec'd you I agree ( mostly) and think you make great points

I am not sure Payton “tanked” but he may have held back a bit. He seems very cagey!!

"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking

by Philinwood on Jan 6, 2010 5:33 PM CST reply actions  

I have no choice but to continue to keep the Faith... Who Dat !!!

"I feel sorry for people that don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, thats as good as they are going to feel all day" Frank Sinatra

by CaddoCoonass on Jan 6, 2010 8:29 PM CST reply actions  

this is what I'm talking about

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8158d58d&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking

by Philinwood on Jan 6, 2010 8:33 PM CST reply actions  

The Perception around the league is that our Saints have lost momentum

and peaked too early but it was obvious to me that as soon as they won the division and knowing they were in the playoffs, Payton backed off on the throttle. He then went into idle mode and began resting players and the injured. Anybody that knows foorball could see a total difference in the team and the approach to their games. Play calling became mundane and uneventfull as Bush, Moore,Colston, Shockey. Bell, Thomas barely touched the ball . With Greer, Tracey, Fugita, and others on defense sitting on the bench our scheme changed but the last three games meant nothing except the Tampa game which would have secured HFA and was only a missed field goal from making it. The loss still was of little signifcance to Payton. All he wanted was a chance and that was secure.
Now, is HFA an advantage?( Two losses) Is a first round bye an advantage? Payton indicated that his team travels well (One loss). No statistics prove or disprove either way is an advantage. Again, the only clear advantage is to have a healthy team and THAT has been the ultimate goal going into the Playoffs. Nothing else has mattered since the Atlanta game on Dec 13 as that was when Atlanta fell too far back to threaten for the division.
The one thing that was not part of the equasion was the Vikes losing and handing us the HFA on a silver platter which does allow one more week of recovery for the injured and rest for everyone else. This was not needed but did serve as a bonus. Destiny???
The whole season has played out in favor of our Saints and Peytons forthought as to how to approach it WILL prove to be the deciding factor over the next three weeks. I also feel that with a significant lead in any game, he will again pull starters to insure that they are healthy throuout the playoffs. If this all plays out as scripted, Payton will go down as a genious and change the way all teams approach the playoffs for ever.

by saint-sly on Jan 7, 2010 8:04 AM CST reply actions  

Whats the saying, "perception becomes reality".. I hope it's wrong.........

I remember a line in the movie, Platoon where Sgt. Barns (Patyon) said “reality, hell I am reality”……..Payton rules.. Go Dats…………

"I feel sorry for people that don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, thats as good as they are going to feel all day" Frank Sinatra

by CaddoCoonass on Jan 7, 2010 8:11 PM CST reply actions  

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