New Orleans Saints' Defensive Player Grades: Year in Review
My defensive MVP for the first half of the season, based on having the highest GPA, was Jabari Greer. After 16 games, Jonathan Vilma gets my defensive MVP for the season. He may not have the highest GPA, but I'll take 15 games of 2.98 quality average over 9 games of Greer's 3.37 average, or 12 games of Porter's 3.06 average. Below are the final GPA's for the season, including the number of games graded. Keep in mind, that doesn't mean number of games played, it's just the number of games I graded based on extended action.
Here are the GPA's, highest to lowest:
Jabari Greer: 3.37 (9 games)
Tracy Porter: 3.06 (12 games)
Usama Young: 3.00 (3 games)
Jonathan Vilma: 2.98 (15 games)
Jonathan Casillas: 2.84 (2 games)
Darren Sharper: 2.83 (14 games)
Will Smith: 2.79 (16 games)
Roman Harper: 2.75 (16 games)
Sedrick Ellis: 2.73 (10 games)
Jo-Lonn Dunbar: 2.73 (4 games)
Scott Fujita: 2.70 (10 games)
DeMario Pressley: 2.67 (6 games)
Marvin Mitchell: 2.67 (5 games)
Scott Shanle: 2.60 (14 games)
Randall Gay: 2.60 (10 games)
Chris McAlister: 2.50 (2 games)
Pierson Prioleau: 2.42 (8 games)
Remi Ayodele: 2.38 (15 games)
Anthony Hargrove: 2.36 (15 games)
Malcolm Jenkins: 2.33 (10 games)
Jeff Charleston: 2.33 (1 game)
Kendrick Clancy: 2.17 (2 games)
Mike McKenzie: 2.13 (5 games)
Charles Grant: 2.08 (16 games)
Leigh Torrence: 2.00 (2 games)
Rodney Leisle: 2.00 (1 game)
Bobby McCray: 1.98 (15 games)
Troy Evans: 1.87 (5 games)
Chris Reis: 1.67 (1 game)
Below are the number of Defensive Player of the Game awards handed out in my Player Grades posts:
Darren Sharper 3
Jonathan Vilma 3
Roman Harper2
Will Smith 1
Tracy Porter 1
Jabari Greer 1
Malcolm Jenkins 1
Mike McKenzie 1
Remi Ayodele 1
Charles Grant 1
Anthony Hargrove 1
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id have to go with greer
bc of how much the defense slipped when he went down. of course, if vilma went down i cant imagine we would do much better. goes to show how much of a team effort it is to play good d. if a reciever takes a play off, it can be overcome. if a corner takes a play off, youre in trouble.
i know im going to run this into the ground but, thanks again for these great post. prob my favorite thing about this site is reading your player breakdowns and performance reviews. what a great season!!
by sernycrusher on Jan 9, 2010 7:24 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
That’s exactly what I think too. Yeah, it would be nice to have had Greer the whole season, but the fact that we didn’t gives the same sort of evidence of just how critical he is to the defense as seeing Brunell hobble out there against the Panthers gave for Drew.
Greer hands-down no-doubt MVP. If you insist on giving credit to Vilma to I’d agree with co-MVP, but Greer has to at least share the trophy.
by FriarBob on Jan 9, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for Vilma
but would prefer a Sharper/ Vilma tie as co – winners
I would have included Greer, but Sharper Vilma had no injuries – whether or not that makes sense, but I think because they played more games they had a larger impact, but Greer and Porter were HUGE!
"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking
by Philinwood on Jan 9, 2010 8:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sharper
Without Greer and Porter, Williams’ defense simply doesn’t work. It’s predicated on having corners who can handle man coverage, freeing up the safeties for other duties.
But it’s impossible to choose between Greer and Porter—which one had a better year, and which one is more important? The answer is, we need both of them; and if one of them is gone, the losses are interchangable. Jenkins for Greer is as bad as Jenkins for Porter.
That leaves the man in the position that Greer and Porter are meant to free up: Darren Sharper. There are other good cornerbacks who could fill those positions (not that I’m complaining); but who could play like Sharper did in the first half of the year, when our corners were healthy and holding down the fort? Ed Reed, and…? Polamalu is a strong safety, or I’d include him. Fact is, Sharper was the executioner of our defense when it was hitting on all cylinders (now THERE’s a mixed metaphor for you).
Vilma’s played great, and did more to hold down the fort when we lost our corners; but I still pick Sharper for his play on our REAL defense, not the crippled version.
BURN THE BLACK PANTS!!!
by MtnExile on Jan 9, 2010 8:08 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
boom rec'd it
Voted for Sharper because he’s awesome. Then I felt bad about snubbing Vilma because he’s had quite a few big plays this year, in my head anyway.
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by stujo4 on Jan 9, 2010 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also consider this
again, I am very thankful for this effort and the work that goes into it. But, IF (and I preface this by if) the defensive players mostly have lower grades than the offense- it could be for reason a or b. Reason a) they are not as good
b) defensive errors lead often to glaring game changing plays such as a missed tackle or blown assignment =TD or first down or 66 yd gain. On offense, sometimes an error is (partially?) overlooked i.e a dropped pass is a dropped pass not a failure to have that 66 yd gain that might have occurred. Or a fumble by Hamilton recovered by Goodwin doesn’t get headlines. An incomplete pass thrown behind Shockey is just an incomplete, a CB just behind his WR may be a big gain and a large story. Last example, Stinchcomb misses a block on a pass play and Drew steps up in pocket and prevents a sack, gets a completion- not much of a story. Just my 2 cents I think defensive errors often get more attention than offensive.
"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking
by Philinwood on Jan 9, 2010 8:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Vilma all the way
He is always there making game winning tackles and inteceptions
He can be counted on to hold his part of the field and help make up for our short comming’s in OLB
And he’s a team leader doing it by example
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 9, 2010 8:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
M-E
Great post- very good points. As usual your stuff is well thought out and you approach it respectfully. I’m sticking to my vote (but my real preference as I said is a tie between Vilma-Sharper) because I think Vilma did a lot of “hard to recognize” work and “under the radar” performance in the trenches where I think defensive football is the most difficult and most physical. Today’s LBs have to be so tough to shed OL blocks and tackle huge backs and then run like the wind. Tough position to excel at.
"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking
by Philinwood on Jan 9, 2010 8:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
AGREE
on vilma+sharper but feel vilma takes more punishment weekly.
OldFartFan
by OldFartFan on Jan 9, 2010 9:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Vilma
greatest body of work. Sharper has been HUGE. Tracy Porter is our superstar corner. And if we ever see Greer again it’s going to be awesome.
by xen-cuts on Jan 9, 2010 9:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's difficult
to look at this list of defensive players that have had what seemed like a great year for the Saints, then consider they’re ranked lower in yards than last year’s group. Either my standards for defensive achievement have been tenderized the past few years, or we’re truly like two pieces away from defensive domination. Seriously, we have what I would consider to be solid starters throughout the defense(D-line, LB, DB), yet we’re hemorrhaging yards.
"Think about that statement and all its implications for a second. The New England Patriots did not play up to the level of the New Orleans Saints." -Pat Yasinskas
by FuSoYa on Jan 9, 2010 10:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Vilma
Based on the 3 times he was voted as Defensive MVP of the game, versus only once for Greer. But having 3 or 4 defensive stars to try to choose from for MVP is a great change from the past few seasons.
"Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake." -- Napoleon Bonaparte
by Cajun in CA on Jan 9, 2010 11:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
So, I agree with all the Vilma Sharper talk, and therefore vote for...
Shilma
no
Varper
oh, I can’t decide – is it ok if I just say that I like them both A LOT?
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
I DON'T MIND MAKING HISTORY
by HansDat on Jan 9, 2010 1:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
and I just realized Shilma could also mean a combo of Shanle and Vilma - so it's even better now...
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
I DON'T MIND MAKING HISTORY
by HansDat on Jan 9, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
GREAT SEASON of WORK
by Andrew, or Mr. Nation, if he prefers the more formal joke about his name.
I have enjoyed reading your weekly posts on player grades and your other writing this year – you have been a fantastic addition this season and hopefully will forever continue being a frequent offensive coordinator/contributor to CSC…
Do you tivo/DVR/videotape the games and then just re-watch them with a burned out pause/rewind button and furious note-taking actions that may lead to carpal tunnel down the road? I’m very curious as to how you gather the info for your grades (and please don’t take this question as a question of the validity or quality of your assessments, I’m just an information-seeker and process-oriented person who likes to know how stuff is done…). I want to ask Jeff Duncan the same thing in regards to his weekly “flim study” column…I would kill to have a job like that as my full-time gig…maybe I need to camp outside of NFL Network or ESPN until they hire me…
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
I DON'T MIND MAKING HISTORY
by HansDat on Jan 9, 2010 1:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
wow, I sure know how to over-use ellipses, don't I?
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
I DON'T MIND MAKING HISTORY
by HansDat on Jan 9, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the words
much appreciated. The process is, yes, I DVR the games. I watch the game the first time through live as a fan (whether that be in person the times I can go, or on tv). I’ll take a quick look at the postgame stats and jot down the grade I “think” every player deserves based on a casual first time view. Then, I’ll watch the tape and rewind, pause etc as necessary. I pay particular attention to the important plays: touchdowns, turnovers, 3rd down conversions, game changing moments etc… and I try to decipher who the players were “behind the scenes” most responsible for the mishaps. It’s not as simple as a rusher’s yards gives him his grade. I’ll change his grade a + or a – if he did a good/bad job in blitz pickups for example. The paragraphs I put in writing about a player’s performance are only a sample of what I actually saw and graded from each player. With linemen I account penalties, pass blocking, run blocking, and errors/successes on the big plays. It’s an inexact science,and it’s hard to be 100% accurate because on any given play I’m not completely sure what a player’s assignment is, and I also don’t have the ideal camera angles. Just on a play design, though, if you look close enough, most times you can figure out the scheme and what a player’s assignment is. By no means am am I a professional at this, but I use my experience from doing this as an amateur football coach, high school player, and collegiate tennis player. While there’s 11 players on a field at a time and not all of them are always involved on each play, you’d be surprised how many players need to do things right/wrong in order for a big play to happen. At least 4 to 5, if not more. Thanks again for the compliment, it’s been fun!
by saints-nation on Jan 9, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fascinating
thanks for the insights (today and all season long…)
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
I DON'T MIND MAKING HISTORY
by HansDat on Jan 9, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's been great reading them
I was able to DVR one of our games and tried to do the same thing. I made notes on most players in most plays and it took forever, and still I didn’t feel I was smart enough, nor watching closely enough to know if I’d judged correctly. So I had a little insight into just how much effort you’ve put into doing this for a full season, and I’ve gotta say CSC has benefited hugely for it. So thanks a lot for all your hard work!
by arcuate on Jan 9, 2010 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks man!
yeah, it’s brutal when you get started… but really once you get in a rhythm and you get a feel for what to look for, it gets easier. I bet it wouldn’t take you long to get into a groove with it, but it is time consuming and I wouldn’t recommend it :) Just imagine, the guys that get paid to grade this sort of stuff take it to a whole other level. I seen it and they put 5 times the time and effort that I do. It’s that extensive.
by saints-nation on Jan 9, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I did that with one game. But I was grading the officiating rather than the players. It sucked, as I expected going in, but it was nice to have some “proof” to back up my expectations.
by FriarBob on Jan 10, 2010 12:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And it was brutal. Took a long time to go through half the game. Second half did go a bit quicker tho.
by FriarBob on Jan 10, 2010 12:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I should say
my initial grade after first glance is almost always changed after watching the game tape, but usually not much. Occasionally, I’ll realize I missed something massive and change a player’s grade by more than a letter. Usually the change is a + here or a – there.
by saints-nation on Jan 9, 2010 2:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
do you read Duncan's film study articles @ T-P every week? If so, what do you think of it?
I find those to be very informative and I like reading them.
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
I DON'T MIND MAKING HISTORY
by HansDat on Jan 9, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's pretty good
Duncan knows the game and he’s fortunate enough to be around the club constantly. I do read them and I agree there’s a lot of gems in it. I’m all about the behind the scenes of work of football, that stuff is fascinating.
by saints-nation on Jan 9, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for all your hard -work- -fun- EFFORT.
I must go with Vilma, because he gets the good grades AND he leads the others to play better, too. That extra leadership role is no small burden. The same goes for Brees, to an even larger extent, because he is even more of a leader to the whole team, but I digress.
How much Plague and Pestilence can one city endure?
by PilneyPark on Jan 9, 2010 3:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for all your hard work fun EFFORT.
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How much Plague and Pestilence can one city endure?
by PilneyPark on Jan 9, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey i like your avatar the best mind if i steal it
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 9, 2010 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
there's no stealing going on here...
just borrowing, loaning, and sharing among friends and crazy fans of the Saints! :-)
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
I DON'T MIND MAKING HISTORY
by HansDat on Jan 9, 2010 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cool
Ilike that design the lombardi trophy with the flor-di-lis
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 9, 2010 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yup - you got it, and in February, we're all gonna have it, too!
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
I DON'T MIND MAKING HISTORY
by HansDat on Jan 9, 2010 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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