New Orleans Saints 20 @ Arizona Cardinals 30: Sound the Alarms
by Dave Cariello on Oct 10, 2010 6:21 PM CDT
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PrintYou see? This is exactly why I was so hard on the Saints these past few weeks and so disappointed with their play, despite the fact they were winning their games. This is exactly why I was worried.
Even though the Saints were able to narrowly avoid defeat multiple times this season, the actual on-field product in those games still left a lot to be desired. We can all agree on that. Struggling running game. Crappy in the red zone. Offensive line regression. Kicking troubles. Curious playcalling. Turnovers!!!! It was only a matter of time before they played down to an opponent and lost a game because of it.
Because there are such a thing as style points and they do matter when it comes to setting expectations for your team. The Saints hadn't showed style in any of their wins so far, which is why we shouldn't be surprised that lack of style finally caught up with them today. Because a win isn't just a win. It's how you play the game. When the Saints were winning ugly, the signs of trouble were obvious in their play. We should have all expected that the bounces wouldn't always go in the Saints direction.
That's exactly what happened today against the Cardinals and though it might not have been what we hoped, it certainly should have been what we expected. Give credit to Arizona for playing a great game but this one was definitely winnable for the Saints.
At some point the Saints must make the undesirable transition from being regarded as an NFL super power to being acknowledged as the team that their record and stats this season say they are: a mediocre one. Now just might be that time.
It's official: this is a team with issues. The Saints are in third place now, behind both Atlanta and Tampa Bay. We still love them, of course, but they aren't making it easy for us. Sound the alarms. Let them ring long and loud. Sound the f***** alarms.
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Injuries.
Parity.
Oops, I’m sorry, are you finally off your high now? You expect the Saints to drop 50 on opponents still? It won’t happen. Not with the injuries we have, and not with the parity in today’s NFL.
When we’re back and full strength and playing aggressively again, maybe we’ll see a blowout or two. Our running game and injuries to defense are the reason we’re losing.
I wouldn’t call this team mediocre – I’d call it a team struggling with the injury bug. Then again, I’m not someone who bitches at the first sign of trouble. I was an Aaron Brooks supporter in my teens for cryin’ out loud.
This ship isn’t sinking – it’s dinged the hell up.
We will finish no worse than 11-5. That’s not the mark of a mediocre team.
I would say ‘stop whining’, but that’s your job as the blogger. So uh, keep up the work. >.>
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
This has got to be my least favorite reply to any thread on this board.
I remember Mel Gray, Barry Word, and the Dome Patrol. Before them, I was but a baby.
by NolaViaAustin on Oct 10, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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heh. okay….
R.I.P. 'Aints (1967-2009)
by BlackAndGoldSoul on Oct 10, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who are YOU?
Dave is pointing out problems that have occurred throughout the entire season thus far. That’s the ENTIRE SEASON. Not just the games in which we have had multiple players injured
Dave never said anything about hanging 50 on every opponent. He’s just saying he’d like to see a team that should play as a Superbowl caliber team. A team that has won a Superbowl. We don’t have to score 41+. I would have been perfectly content with a score of around the low 30s and keeping the Cards from scoring 2 TDs
by Ezio_Auditore on Oct 10, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
My reference
Was to past posts.
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
Sure many of us wanted to drop 40 on the Cards, but i’m pretty sure most of us would have been happy with a 2 TD win
by Ezio_Auditore on Oct 10, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
no seriously
who are you?
2010 is cuzzin's breakout year...run with that chip bruh!
by TAYDIGGA on Oct 10, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol, are you serious? cause i'm being serious
I think that was the first post i’ve seen from him…
by Ezio_Auditore on Oct 10, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I lurk. I’ve been posting since a year and a half ago, give or take.
Satisfied? Or have I not posted enough to earn having a dissenting opinion?
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
why do you not come up with your own original opinion on what is wrong.
instead of jumping on the media bandwagon
"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44
by jeremysherwin on Oct 10, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you clinically retarded? Did you even read my post?
How am I jumping on the media bandwagon? I honestly don’t know what they’re saying, as I’m currently working in another country without access to ESPN.
Dave thinks things are terribly wrong. I disagree. It’s simple.
Several people think the Saints are playing poorly. I think they will be fine come January.
I contend that it comes down to poor clock management, bad playcalling, several injuries and just plain laziness on the part of some players (I’m looking at you, Jahri).
Those things are easily fixable. Work out hard, chew some booty during practice and punch the Cowboys in the facemask come gametime. Problem solved.
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
So...
you don’t think they’re playing terrible now? Just because we think that now doesn’t mean we don’t think they can be fine come January. Those are mutually exclusive ideas (for now) seeing that we are comparing now and the future. Even then, how we play NOW determines whether or not we get to January. So the point is: they are playing bad now! It’s been 5 games yo, first couple we had virtually everybody but Sharper and still looked like crap…
2010 is cuzzin's breakout year...run with that chip bruh!
No, I don't think they're playing terrible football.
In fact, few teams are playing terrible football this year. I’ve seen close games between teams, and I think that San Francisco might have a legitimate case for the best 0-5 team I’ve ever seen.
As I said earlier, I think this comes back to parity. The talent on most football teams is close.
It’s coaching and heart that separates champions from scrubs, and right now I think we’re having problems in both of these areas.
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
Are you clinically retarded? Did you even read my post?
No. No.
And gave the impression that I did not care,
But oh, the embarrassment, oh, the despair.
Way off...... Lame.com
Missing home and my Saints.
by Brazil meets LA on Oct 10, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
"You expect the Saints to drop 50 on opponents still? It won’t happen."
I have a problem with this. #1 offense 3 out of 4 years since 06 and #3 the year that we weren’t #1. 50 is unrealistic for anyone and i know you were overexagerating(sp?) but 30+ points against a struggling defense is realistic. Our offense was full strength the first 2 games and we did crap. This is not the same team as last year. So when does the time to start worrying begin? When we miss the playoffs? When we’re 3 games back in the division?
Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!
by skinnykinney on Oct 10, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
It's all about the balance
Sure we ran the ball the second half of the Vikings game and etc., but I’m talking about balance all game. But wait, I just had a realization, even when we weren’t balanced, we were scoring! Something is seriously wrong and I can’t tell you what it is. Brees doesn’t even look the same.
2010 is cuzzin's breakout year...run with that chip bruh!
I see more receivers dropping passes
than I see Drew not getting it done…
Am I missing something here?
Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!
WHO DAT?!
TWO DAT!!
by LA_No1_SaintFan on Oct 10, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Explain to me how those INTs
aren’t Drew’s fault. Oh, WR are to blame for their drops. But Drew is at fault.
"I want the gas pedal down." Sean Payton
I'm a Saints fan--Hubby's a Bears fan.
exactly...
You are missing something! 3 INT’s yo! I think he’s thrown more picks in these first 5 games than he has in the first 5 of any other season since he came here.
2010 is cuzzin's breakout year...run with that chip bruh!
i have an answer for you about Brees
It’s called the Madden Curse. lol
by Ezio_Auditore on Oct 10, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
Man, I’m soo against that curse but now…i don’t know. If I was anybody, just don’t put me on that thing!
2010 is cuzzin's breakout year...run with that chip bruh!
Don't be stupid.
Seriously.
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
The one
that Betts should have caught that put them on our 3 yard line wasn’t Drew’s fault. The others were his fault though.
"Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth." --Mike Tyson
I think that Betts pick is on Drew. He threw it nearly out of Betts’ reach way to the right. Like Charlie Crist throwing out the first pitch the other night.
See ya later, Hotshot.
pre-reply
“The receiver is supposed to go after those passes” Sure they are. But that was like a 7 yard burner low and outside. Betts barely had time to react. 100% on Drew Brees, father of Bujo4.
See ya later, Hotshot.
your right, it's the WR's fault not Drew's
Their knees should be able to make those catches
Who dat, from a cajun exiled to cowboy country.
by alcoholic_insight on Oct 11, 2010 3:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I think you’re on to something with the receivers dropping passes, that may be causing Drew to second guess himself
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
by lovingmma25 on Oct 10, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Scoring yes, but still struggling to win just as often as blowing teams out of the water. Pass heavy offenses are extremely hit or miss across the board. Run heavy offenses are too, just not as much. That’s because TOP is an EFFECTIVE running team’s ally. TOP and effective passing teams are like your two aunts who haven’t spoken to one another for years. In my opinion, something like 55% rush, 45% pass is an acceptably balanced offense. That’s regardless of the success you’re achieving in either facet. If that’s about where you are and the running game is clicking on all cylinders, there’s absolutely no harm in running the ball even MORE often. You can easily transition back to balanced, if and when they start stacking the box. If the passing game is clicking on all cylinders, it’s almost the exact opposite. There’s going to be a strong temptation to go with what’s working, but in the long run, it’s almost ALWAYS going to wind up biting you in the ass. The reasoning being that incompletions (when they finally do rear their ugly heads) leave you in precarious situations due to down and distance. This necessitates even more passing to make up that ground and gain a new set of downs. It’s almost always a snowball effect and it only gets worse as the scoring deficit increases. Get stuffed at the line on first or second down a few times and — with a balanced attack — you still have them guessing as to how you’re going to attempt to convert. Sure, it will probably wind up being a pass, but at least now, in the back of their minds they’re seeing a RB blowing past their blitz on a draw a series or so prior. That ultimately leads to flat-footedness and trepidation. When you’re breaking the huddle in a shotgun formation, like you’re freaking Frank Reich down by 32, yet the scoreboard only reads 10-10, who the hell are you fooling? Even the dump off stuff underneath becomes woefully predictable. In year’s past, this is when every Saints fan with a voice would be screaming for Carl Smith’s, Danny Abramowicz’s or Mike McCarthy’s head. Why isn’t Sean Payton taking more heat for this horrendous playcalling? Last year he finally seemed to “get it”. Now, it’s back to the SOS. And don’t feed me that injury BS. Betts was running the ball adequately when given the opportunity. Ivory was, as well. Even if they weren’t, that’s no reason to start playing Tron Deadly Discs. The fact that they WERE effective and he STILL goes 64% pass heavy just blows me away. This after the debacle in Soldier Field in 2006, when he self-admittedly overthought the field and weather conditions. No ice patches today, Sean. No wind, either. No Urlacher. No Briggs. And no win. Hey, one out of five commonalities … that ain’t so bad.
Oh, wait.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
by coldpizza on Oct 10, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Why isn’t Sean Payton taking more heat for this horrendous playcalling?
BOOM rec’d it.
Now, it’s back to the SOSI don’t know what that means.
See ya later, Hotshot.
or sh** on a shingle
(chipped beef on toast)
Who dat, from a cajun exiled to cowboy country.
by alcoholic_insight on Oct 11, 2010 3:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks. Now I’ve got Swedish girls in my head.
And gave the impression that I did not care,
But oh, the embarrassment, oh, the despair.
Suprised!?
Well I cannot believe they lost this one…Smith and Porter were missed as the double on Fitz allowed the Cards to move the ball at will. We need to get healthy and next week we should have Pierre and Smith back, against a stout looking Tampa Bay team…
WTF was up with Brees? He looked out of sink in his own mind! 2 timeouts without running one play? sure he and Betts were mixed up but COME ON MAN!!! This loss has to be solely on alot of bad calls he made today…who would have thought Brees would be the GOAT in a game? There is something wrong with him….maybe the pressure of waiting on his next child? or the knee? the offensive line? or all the DAMN PUBLICITY things he has been doing lately? Take a page from Colston and avoid the bright lights on center stage Drew turn down the commercials and cowboy the fuck up!!! (Yall know Drew is my boy but he clearly lost this one) dropped passes dont go there…..
by Saintsfan4life on Oct 10, 2010 6:32 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Something is wrong w/ Drew. He had lost this game after he threw the 1st pick.
"I want the gas pedal down." Sean Payton
I'm a Saints fan--Hubby's a Bears fan.
I made a Carl Smith
reference in the 2nd half thread. WTH is up w/ the offensive play calling.
If we really going to try to win the game at the end of the 4th quarter, just put Chase in
"I want the gas pedal down." Sean Payton
I'm a Saints fan--Hubby's a Bears fan.
The NFL is rigged
lol…I bet a few people respond to that. Anyways….How does a team that dominated almost every team they played in 09 come back witht the same team intact and suck so badly. Don’t tell me it’s b/c of Reggie..that’s bs. And How does Sean Payton go from a play calling wizard to the reincarnation of Carl Smith? Something just doesn’t add up…..just sayin.
i was thinking the same thing. we returned all of our starters against this team and we sucked
we didn’t have will smith too, but i think alex brown did a good job. then again, i wasn’t really watching cause the suckitude displayed by the saints made my eyes bleed
by Ezio_Auditore on Oct 10, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe because they didn't dominate nearly as many games as you think
In fact, only 6 of their games last year could be called dominant, and most of those were against incredibly inferior teams (Lions, Eagles, Bills, Giants, Tampa Bay (1st), Patriots). In every other game, it was a dog fight (Jets, Miami, Atlanta (twice), Carolina, St Louis, Washington, Dallas, Tampa Bay (2nd)).
what about the comeback in the Dolphins game
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
by lovingmma25 on Oct 10, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
We needed a comeback...
That pretty much defines it as a dogfight
Who Dat? Who Dat? B*tch I got that flame...
exactly
the Jets game you could call either way, depending on what you want in dominance – the offense only scored 10 points, but they did run the ball for 150+ yards. Same could be said of the Eagles game, though. That game was close until the middle of the 3rd quarter.
SaintsChick You can't be serious! Put the bottle down and sleep it off. LOL
by saints-fan-in-miss on Oct 10, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Why not?
Now, yes, some of this is totally sarcastic, but some of it isn’t. A lot of it comes out of sheer aggravation. From the time when we punted and we were down 10 points I felt as if the coaching staff of the Saints gave up. Well, if you are just going to lay down and give up then put the back ups in. WTH not? Clock mgmt from that point on was pathetic. The TD pass to Meachem was brief flash of last year and gave us all false hope. Then instead of putting in Morestead for the onsides kick, who nailed it in the Super Bowl, Payton puts in Carney who already failed us in this game. Again WTH? So, if you aren’t gonna really try to really win the game why not put the back ups in the last 2 min of the game. Yes, I know I’m being a sarcastic nut job with this rant, but that’s what this is…a rant.
"I want the gas pedal down." Sean Payton
I'm a Saints fan--Hubby's a Bears fan.
Said the same thing when Carney went in for onsides kick.
Do not discount the stellar secondary play of the Cards. They were on. And there’s the bouncing ball. Everyone [ me encluded ] has been saying what happened to the stripped balls/ take aways. Well we had three. First ended in touch down Cards. Second, bounced down the field . FIRST down Cards. Last one flipped back in bounds. Cards. Shorter kick but even so not one recover of those strips. VERY frustrating but just football.
by saints-fan-in-miss on Oct 10, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
They really did play a great game on defense. Not like that’s terribly difficult against a one dimensional offense, but you’re right.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Yeah.
The only offensive TD for the Cardinals was a 3 yard drive that Hall fumbled and a freakin’ lineman took it in. There really can’t be any complaints about the defense today.
"Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth." --Mike Tyson
I agree
I fear for him, really. He was a headcase today. There was no rebound in him today. Desperation. white knuckled desperation.
He needs to come clean if it’s injuries. The knee the shoulder. Put yourself on the injury list and save himself the embarrassment of being benched for poor play.
I want the gas pedal down...
by CrazyforColston on Oct 10, 2010 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just caught your last sentence. Agree there.
After second game I said Drew needs to forget about player unity [ that we are one sallute and Jay Leno. HMMMMMM
by saints-fan-in-miss on Oct 10, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
well we are definitely playing like an 8-8 team
and if you aren’t concerned when we can’t win a game against an undrafted rookie qb in his first start along with a defense that allowed teams to rack up huge points, then you’re just nuts.
granted, i’m not unhappy as i’m content to relive our super bowl season over and over again, despite our poor play. i don’t think we’re going to make the playoffs—and i won’t until we have a “statement” kind of win, which we haven’t this season.
i just hate that the falcons are doing well this season…
I absolutely agree....
Its hard to see that we can consider this a playoff team with wins against teams with a combined record of 1-11 (depending on what the Viqueens do Monday night). Im with JFUL on this one. I wont keep my hopes up until a win versus a credible team happens. We already let the birds get a jump on us. And in week 5…that is plenty long enough to sound the alarm on a season full of SB expectations.
R.I.P. 'Aints (1967-2009)
by BlackAndGoldSoul on Oct 10, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
“We will finish no worse than 11-5. That’s not the mark of a mediocre team.”
True. That’s the mark of a team that wins 68.8% of their games. We’re not currently that team. We’re a team that has only won 60% of our games. That equates to 9.6 wins. That’s scrapping for a playoff berth. That’s a mediocre team.
Again today, here are the percentages that matter:
63.9% pass
36.1% rush
That’s not offensive balance. That’s what kept us home for the holidays in 2007 and 2008.
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"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
And that, sir, is attributed to injuries
Once we are at full strength with our running backs, you will see a more balanced attack.
The Saints will win more games.
I’ll go out on a limb and state that as a purported fact.
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
by J of the F on Oct 10, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Once we are at full strength with our running backs, you will see a more balanced attack."
that’s why we’ve had more rushing yards with Betts and Ivory playing rather than Bush and Thomas, right? It’s not just the running game
by Ezio_Auditore on Oct 10, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Right, and remember the first game of the year, we had Reggie AND Pierre, and we ran it….3 times in the first half. We haven’t been balanced all year no matter who was on the field. It’s not just injuries. The healthy guys on the field are all playing scared.
I remember Mel Gray, Barry Word, and the Dome Patrol. Before them, I was but a baby.
by NolaViaAustin on Oct 10, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
hmmm
i seem to remember rushing for approx 70 yds in the second half of that game and winning it too i might add.
Because we start letting Pierre do his thing. Running backs can’d do jack if you don’t give em the ball.
I remember Mel Gray, Barry Word, and the Dome Patrol. Before them, I was but a baby.
by NolaViaAustin on Oct 10, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Rushing yards don't equate to clock control
But true, more aggressive, diverse playcalling could also help stretch the field.
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
You’re right, it’s the LACK of a running game. They don’t run the ball. Effective or not, you simply MUST maintain offensive balance. We don’t have the offensive line to protect Brees, if he’s having to comb over the secondary with a fine tooth comb for oen receivers, all because everyone and their grandma knows we’re going to pass. We have NEVER had an offensive line that can handle that. Even if everyone is healthy, Brees cannot possibly stand back there and gunsling us back into the playoffs. He never has and he never will. In 2006, Deuce McAllister and Reggie provided the balance. Last year it was Pierre and Bell. In 2007, 2008 and 2010, it was/is NO ONE. THAT’S why we’re lucky to be a treading water barely above .500.
The YARDAGE doesn’t matter. It’s the UNPREDICTABILITY that rushing the ball provides that is the difference maker. On drives where we mix it up, we move up and down the field at will. Sure, we bog down sometimes, but at least we’re in FG range (theoretically) when that happens. Without the run, we’re three … maybe four and out … punting it right back to the other team, all because they’re being allowed to dictate ever wrinkle they see in our attack.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Jahri Evans is the most flagged guy on the team!!!!
by Saintsfan4life on Oct 10, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Signed big money and now poof....he is shooting us in the foot!
by Saintsfan4life on Oct 10, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Another Charles Grant?
Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!
WHO DAT?!
TWO DAT!!
by LA_No1_SaintFan on Oct 10, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Three straight passing plays in the red zone with over a minute left in first half. WHY? The Cardinals didn’t use the time to score, so it doesn’t really matter, right? Wrong. When the underneath stuff is working, just ONE run moves you two or three yards closer to end zone. Then you’re only talking about a seven yard completion, not a ten yard completion. Seven is within Brees’s average yards per attempt. Ten is not. The four points left off the board there … a result of both the playcalling and an UNNECESSARY SENSE OF URGENCY … ultimately costed them the game. Of course, the turnovers and missed chip shot FG didn’t help matters either. How are you spasmodic Chicken Littles feeling about Carney NOW? Friggin washed up chump. With 24 seconds left in the game, we’d have to move the ball down to the Cardinals 25 yd line for him to even have another shot. Instead, we sacrifice a kicker that could at least feasibly save the day with a 45+ yarder … FOR WHAT? Certainly not short range accuracy. Sean Payton needs to be questioned unmercifully about Kris Brown’s so-called unsuccessful tryout until he fills the airwaves with expletives of frustration. Stop giving this smug, Juicy Fruit chewing, 1980s visor wearing effer the benefit of the doubt when HE’S the one calling these ridiculous personnel shots and drawing up these completely ineffective Xbox game plans.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
by coldpizza on Oct 10, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
Game was over when:
So, it’s 13-13 in the 3rd quarter and you get the ball. Chris Ivory runs 4 time for 34 yards and 3 first downs, the last one to get you a first and goal at the five. Take him out of the game, waste two time outs and miss a field goal. WTF? You have a guy killing the other team, you have the perfect setup for a play action, or you can let the rookie score a touchdown. What does Payton do? Pull out the Les Miles guide to efficient play calling.
by milo.d.venus on Oct 10, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
In my opinion...
Payton has always done that. He rarely rides the horse, PT is moving the ball looking good, we get into the RED Zone, then he subs in Reggie; Reggie is lookin good, getting into rhythm and then he subs PT or starts passing…it’s catching up to us now. People are playing us different—SB Champs remember.
2010 is cuzzin's breakout year...run with that chip bruh!
I can't say I don't agree with anything you said
Rec’d.
Week 5 matchup: Cardinals
Week 5 motto: I'm too young to have heart problems.
Rec'd it too.
Agree with it all. But that last line is pure gold.
"It's better to burn out than fade away."
by SaintsFan-KS on Oct 10, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
CP, you must be loving this
after the Superbowl it seemed like you went into hiding because your payton hate wasn’t in vogue.
"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010
Boom, Back 2 back Time Outs
all that did was give Arz. ’s D a chance to catch their breath. Miles-ish.
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.
I usually agree with your assessments
But you can be a bit of a bastard.
Carney is anything but a chump, and that was uncalled for.
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
Oh yes he is....
and it goes back for many years
Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!
WHO DAT?!
TWO DAT!!
by LA_No1_SaintFan on Oct 10, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
He's had big misses
What kicker hasn’t?
Get off your highhorse and come back to reality.
His career percentage for field goals is over eighty. Hardly indicative of a chump.
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
His career percentage wasn’t compiled since he “beat out” Kris Brown in an audition.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
what's with the kris brown love?
you want to talk about a kicker that has screwed the pooch in big moments? Kris Brown is your man.
Carney had little to do if anything with this loss. Signing Carney was more signing someone to give Hartley a couple of weeks off rather than replacing him. For better or worse, obviously payloo thinks he’ll be back.
"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010
Chriiiiiiist
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
Hey J to the Lo
You need to be less direct with your personal attacks. Put a little Ultra Glide on it.
Never attack another member on a personal level. That doesn’t have to do with anything. You don’t have to agree with everything that everyone says but you have to disagree with them in a respectful way. That’s the fun in this whole thing.
See ya later, Hotshot.
if it's this bad on an anonymous message board
imagine what it’s like in the Saints locker room, among the coaches. I sure hope they can channel their anger into something productive.
And yet we can give others a free ride
To bash players without any empirical evidence whatsoever?
And you’re allowed to reciprocate with an attack of your own?
Pot, meet kettle.
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
Rec'd this...
the playcalling has heen horrendous for the most part this season! I usually am on Payton’s bandwagon, but I can’t begin to count how many times I’ve shouted “What the hell are you doing?” this year.
"It's about time that something good like this happened." - Drew Brees
We could, if we gave them the ball and they held onto it. The lack of balance in our offense was telling, today.
If I am good I could add years to my life / I would rather add some life to my years.
2000 playoffs
We managed to beat the pass heavy defending Super Bowl champs with Terry Allen, Jerald Moore and Chad Morton as our backfield rotation. That’s not exactly winning it all, but it at least demonstrates that a mediocre yet balanced offensive attack can overcome superior personnel.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Worse game yet
they looked like they wanted to give the game away. I know they didn’t, but the play calling, execution, etc. was so different from last year they looked like they were practicing situational points for later in the year.
I still believe in the Saints but something is wrong besides the injured players.
Bear
If anything, I'd put a lot of the blame on Sean Payton
Who the hell is he? That’s not the coach with balls bigger than the size of Earth. His play calling is atrocious, as i’ve said a couple of times this season already. He elected to punt with what, like 5 mins left when we were down 10? go for it on 4th down man. At least look like you loss fighting.
Rather than playing to win, he’s playing not to lose
by Ezio_Auditore on Oct 10, 2010 6:55 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
+10000
Coaching blows. We’re down by 10 with 5 minutes left and we punt?? We had 1 timeout, down by 2 possesions. F that! Go for it!
Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!
by skinnykinney on Oct 10, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
he’s playing not to lose
BINGO.
I remember Mel Gray, Barry Word, and the Dome Patrol. Before them, I was but a baby.
by NolaViaAustin on Oct 10, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
If you punt in that situation like he did
you might as well rest Drew for the rest of the game and put Chase in. You are not playing to win.
"I want the gas pedal down." Sean Payton
I'm a Saints fan--Hubby's a Bears fan.
Exactly, I think Drew may need to take the next game off so he can get his mind right.
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
by lovingmma25 on Oct 10, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Bingo
Last season he was king, this season, we may as well have the towel manager call plays.
Who dat, from a cajun exiled to cowboy country.
by alcoholic_insight on Oct 11, 2010 3:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly what I said
when I saw them line up to punt with 5 minutes left. I was watching with friends at our local sports bar, and I was shocked to see that they weren’t trying to go for it on 4th down. Then it dawned on me…they had practically given up!
"It's about time that something good like this happened." - Drew Brees
With under 7 mins left and trailing by 10...
Payton dials up two runs?!?! Balance or not, there was no way we were going to run on the Cards at that point. I was blown away at the lack of urgency during that series. Completely disgusted to see that called by Payton.
R.I.P. 'Aints (1967-2009)
by BlackAndGoldSoul on Oct 10, 2010 6:58 PM CDT reply actions
They were in a climate controlled retractable Dome too! No dehydration issues due to temp!
Dont know why they were looking like zombies?
by Saintsfan4life on Oct 10, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
True, I’m talking about over the course of the entire game. There’s obviously going to be certain situations where the clock becomes your enemy and you’re forced to pass. That being said, if they’re maintaining better balance throughout the game, odds are it’s not staring them in the face down 10. At worst, it’s just a two minute drill for the tie or win. To the defense’s credit, we almost managed to get back to that scenario (less 96 valuable seconds). Still, it’s pretty pathetic when a 10 point lead dissolves away to last gasp efforts and onside kicks.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Btw, Dave,
I still love you. I encourage your criticism of the Saints. Spread the Gospel – err… word!
We're in the middle of a 7-game run that was our slam dunk
6 of these games (Panthers, at cards, at bucs, browns, at panthers, seahwaks) should have been easy wins, thus preparing us for some potential losses in the harder stretch that follows (at cowboys, at bengals, at ravens, at falcons). Instead, we barely scraped by the panthers (a team that today lost by 17 to a team with a QB that went 6 for 16 with 4 picks) and lost to the cards. Rather than addressing the issues (sub-standard OL play, unbalanced play-calling, untimely penalties and big turnovers) they seem to be getting worse.
I don’t know about you, but those “easy” wins against the bucs, browns and panthers are now making me nervous, not to mention games against the ravens, steelers and falcons. Brees’ comment last week that we’re “1 FG away from being 4-0” is starting to seem a lot less like optimism and a whole lot more like denial. This team needs to take a long look at itself or risk the season spinning out of control.
"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010
While watching this game
All I could think about was Dave’s post from last week, talking to myself asking those who didn’t get it then, “Do you see what Dave was talking about now?!”
Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!
WHO DAT?!
TWO DAT!!
by LA_No1_SaintFan on Oct 10, 2010 7:11 PM CDT reply actions
I was trying not to, but the evidence is pretty strong
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
by lovingmma25 on Oct 10, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
This was the dumbest game ever saw...
The Cardinals had NO rushing TD’s and NO receiving TD’s and still somehow put up 30 points. Those two stats alone can paint a picture of the whole game. Garbage. Complete garbage. I agree with Dave. Sound the f***** alarms.
Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it. ~Heywood Hale Brown
That's what I'm saying
The coach didn’t even seem to care. Well hell if you don’t give a crap then let Chase get some snaps in and get some practice. WTH.
"I want the gas pedal down." Sean Payton
I'm a Saints fan--Hubby's a Bears fan.
are you related to Chase?
or have him on your fantasy team?
"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010
no I'm not related to him or have him on my FF team
I’ll give you my link to my team if you like proof. I have Brees as my QB. I’m pissed cause it just looked to me as the coaching staff just gave the F up. If you are just gonna quit they why put our starter QB in there at all? I’m just pissed.
"I want the gas pedal down." Sean Payton
I'm a Saints fan--Hubby's a Bears fan.
by SaintsChick on Oct 10, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Key stat, for me anyway
Fumbles/lost: NO 2/1 AZ 4/0
"I'm mad I'm out of this game. You know I like those rookie quarterbacks." - Darren Sharper
How the hell does that happen?
Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!
WHO DAT?!
TWO DAT!!
by LA_No1_SaintFan on Oct 10, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Make sure we pay our 75$ fee to the fire company!
Because our team is burning to the ground!!!! AHHHHHHHHHH
Missing home and my Saints.
by Brazil meets LA on Oct 10, 2010 7:20 PM CDT reply actions
I'm glad my feed went out in the 2nd quarter
I’d be way more pissed off if I had seen it
"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010
Kurt Warner was stealing signs from the Booth!!! I know it!!!
They will blame this one on the food or something….
Oh and none of this your not a real fan if you don't
blow sunshine and rainbows up their arses when they lay up a turd like they just did. Don’t give me that freaking garbage talk. I’m not going to listen to that. I’m a die hard Saints fan and won’t ever give up on them, but I’m a realist too. A real Saints fan. If anyone thinks that this team that was on the field today in Arizona is going to go to the play-offs then more power to ya. They need to get their heads out of their arses and smell the coffee. It’s 2010 and we are near the bottom of the division. If not for the truly pathetic Panthers we’d be rocking the 1st to worst title that the NFC South loves so much. Yes, injuries blah-blah-blah. But look what we did last year with injuries. I’m not buying all these excuses. Get ready for Tampa, cause don’t be surprised at what’s gonna happen next week. We typically have issues against the Tampa-2.
"I want the gas pedal down." Sean Payton
I'm a Saints fan--Hubby's a Bears fan.
by SaintsChick on Oct 10, 2010 7:31 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
just out of curiosity
who has said you’re not a real fan?
"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010
Saintschick. Everyone is disappointed BUT, calling to bench Brees is moronic!
It has nothing to do with being a solid fan. Just a seriously stupid comment.
by saints-fan-in-miss on Oct 10, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
If next week wasn’t a division game, I’d be ok with them giving Drew the week off. As much as I think it’s the utilization of the running game that’s killing us, Brees looks like a guy that needs to step away from the fire. Give him a little time with his wife and new son. Would a loss to Cleveland be any more costly than a conference loss to Arizona? Maybe in a tiebreaker for the division, but at least we’d be playing it at home. Thomas would also be back and we could concentrate on getting our running game where it needs to be. If we don’t take outside-the-box steps to fix these things pretty soon, there’s not going to be a playoff stretch to worry about. We’ll be back to hoping for scenarios outside of our control, while we butt heads with the two teams currently ahead of us in our division.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
by coldpizza on Oct 10, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nope. And nope. Cards made some great plays defending the pass and forced us out of our comfort zone, if we have one now.
But Brees is the engine for good or bad.
by saints-fan-in-miss on Oct 10, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I honestly don’t think it would matter that much either way, if we’re running roughly as often as we’re passing.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
We are one demensioal but all the more reason to have Brees back there.
by saints-fan-in-miss on Oct 10, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
We’re one dimensional by DESIGN, not necessity. Regardless, if that one dimension isn’t working, then what good is it? Surely Daniel has as much game as Max Hall. That’s evidently all it takes to win against a team playing poorly. Last time I checked, Cleveland fits that bill. I’m not saying they will, just that I don’t think it would necessarily have some huge adverse effect on our offensive production.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I wonder
have the Saints actually tried to correct the issues that have been plaguing the team this season? Turnovers, penalties, redzone issues, and other issues that have been occurring since the SF game, yet we haven’t seen any improvement in the aforementioned issues
EZIO Say What? !!!
What the hell kind of question is that? We have had starters going down faster than we can count them. If you you don’t think they are trying what is you think they are doing all week in preperation. And. Who the hell are you?
by saints-fan-in-miss on Oct 10, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
haha, i'm just really upset.
the saints aren’t correcting the problems that have contributed to our struggles, so i’m just wondering if the drive and passion to correct the problems is present
Honestly, have you really seen the WR corps fix their problem with dropping balls? Have you seen the O Line correct their penalties? Has the offense done much better in the red zone since noticing that they haven’t gotten the job done there? Issues are playing a key role, but there are players who aren’t injured that have lingering problems
by Ezio_Auditore on Oct 10, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok I'll give the upset. Been there done that.
Drpped balls? Yes still agrivates me too but Cards secondary made some f’n class plays today. Redzone for those who think Reggie and Thomas aren’t miss. I say damn right they are. Betts has done ok except coughing the ball up. But on the screens takes just that split second too long to get in gear. O line gave Drew as much as anyone should expect. The Cards covered to perfection except Shockey TD where he could have drank a beer and still been open.
by saints-fan-in-miss on Oct 10, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah dude, chill a little bit. Disagree without calling someone stupid...
Or implying it.
2010 is cuzzin's breakout year...run with that chip bruh!
You are right. That was uncalled for.
by saints-fan-in-miss on Oct 11, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Why don't just let people have an opinion
that differs from yours?
Breesus Is My Homeboy
by SarahT on Oct 10, 2010 8:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Who the hell is he?
He’s Ezio Auditore, master assassin for the Brotherhood!
Either that, or he’s a fifteen year old who thought it’d be cool to take on the persona of a fictional game character.
DONT HATE HOMIE
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
Vince
What the hell’s going on out there
by sainthomas on Oct 10, 2010 8:08 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm in total agreeance with Dave, again.
All we can hope for now is for steady improvement as the injuries phase out.
Did anyone else think Drew’s eyes look like they belonged to a crazed animal sometimes?
Sometimes the team came off as having no sense of urgency, sometimes like panic, other times like they had completely checked out.
I wish I could sit down and personally ask Drew what is going on in his head. Maybe with all that publicity after the SB there wasn’t enough time to rest. Maybe that’s a big part of the SB hangover. All the teams are actually resting and getting their heads right while champs are relishing in a big win, trying to figure out how it sits within them as in “where do I stand now?” On top of everything else his wife gets pregnant in Jan so I am sure prepping for baby #2 took a big chunk out of his mental relaxation time.
Breesus Is My Homeboy
by SarahT on Oct 10, 2010 9:17 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I agree with Dave and I agree with you.
I’m worried about Drew. I’ve been worried about him for awhile now. I blame Baby#2, but it could be something else. Drew is not Drew.
"It's better to burn out than fade away."
by SaintsFan-KS on Oct 10, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I noticed it too, I asked my son if Drew’s eyes had always looked so bugged because I never noticed it before today
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
by lovingmma25 on Oct 10, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw what you saw
In Drew’s eyes. I kept pointing to it and asking my husband when he’d ever seen Drew look like that. We both said never.
I want the gas pedal down...
by CrazyforColston on Oct 10, 2010 9:21 PM CDT reply actions
I'm as bumbling as my favorite team tonight
third down and short, should I pass, run, freak? Wha? Gimme somethin’ and not on the plane ride home!
This should be in response to Sarah T about the look in Drew’s eyes.
I want the gas pedal down...
by CrazyforColston on Oct 10, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
“We both said never.”
You didn’t catch many Charger games circa 2001-03, I take it.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
oh PUH-LEEZE
I’m as pissed about the way things are going as anyone, but now we’re supposed to believe that brees has regressed to rookie form? I know you’ve been saving up your saint self-loathing material for a while, but let’s not blow it all at once.
"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010
I’m just pointing out that the word “never” doesn’t apply. He’s been less than adequate in the past. To the tune of having his team spend a first round pick of another QB, no less.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
They didn't draft Rivers because Brees sucked
That’s simply misleading. Brees posted a rating of over 100 for the 2004 season. He also won the Comeback Player of the Year award.
His previous season was not good, though neither was his offensive line, nor his receiving talent: He had Gates. That’s. It.
The reason they drafted Rivers is because it involved a trade with Manning they couldn’t pass up.
Chalk that up to AJ Smith’s leverage as a GM, not the supposed inadequacies of Drew.
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
Rivers was drafted prior to the 2004 season. They couldn’t pass up the trade because Brees sucked at the time, they valued Rivers and Manning relatively closely and got a several other draft picks to boot. Picks that were ultimately spent on Nick Hardwick (part of that woeful OL you mentioned), Shawne Merriman and Nate Kaeding, i.e., improving their team on the hole.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I'm aware Rivers was drafted prior to the 2004 season
I’m aware of the trade you mentioned. I referenced it in the post above, sans listing the players involved beyond Manning and Rivers himself.
My opening statement was meant to serve as a rebuttal in response to you’re having touched on Brees’ supposed suckage with the Chargers. I should have made you aware of such – my fault.
I go on, however, to give reasons as to why Brees sucked in the ‘03 season (see above) and I also contend that the reason Rivers led the Chargers to a 14-2 season after Brees left has more to do with the ’04 draft class (STACKED) as a whole, in addition to Tomlinson’s antics. (which is essentially what you said above me, so we’re in agreement on pretty much all accounts)
Though we’re in agreement, I wonder what your thoughts are if Brees had stayed: Would the Chargers have gone 14-2? Done worse? Advanced in the playoffs?
Do you think Rivers is an upgrade?
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
I personally think Rivers is an upgrade, if only for what he brings to the table in terms of what every team looks for in a prototype NFL QB. That being said, I think Brees would have done just as well in San Diego, being that he had a firm grasp of their system by that point. I think that Brees benefits greatly from the offensive system being run here. Again, if brought into this system at the exact same time under the exact same circumstances, I think Rivers would perform slightly better. There are actually a few NFL QBs that I feel that strongly about. It’s truly splitting hairs though and I have no real complains with Drew’s performance in New Orleans on the whole.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Those are all valid reasons why he sucked, btw. Doesn’t change the fact that he sucked.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
No, it doesn't change the fact
But I think that does partially excuse his regression during the ‘02/’03 seasons.
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
I think legitimate excuses can be made for just about every QB who has failed to make an impact on the NFL level. Very few make it to this level if they’re outright not fit to play the position. There are a few exceptions. Guys that practically every pro scout knows won’t make it, but they’re drafted anyway based strictly on their success in college. Danny Wuerffel jumps out as one of those.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Chalk that up to AJ Smith’s leverage as a GM
He gets no credit for anything. Worst GM in the league. The sole reason the Chargers don’t have a super bowl win.
And gave the impression that I did not care,
But oh, the embarrassment, oh, the despair.
I don't disagree with that.
But he’s great in the draft and in dealing with GMs. It’s what he does after the draft that causes those epic collapses at the end of the year.
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
would not have included charger games.
why should I? He’s a veteran now.
I want the gas pedal down...
by CrazyforColston on Oct 10, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh and PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
for the love of God DO NOT loose to Cleveland or Dallas.
I know it’s selfish but Cleveland will be my first game in the dome and I want to experience the dome being the dome, walking away with a win. A pretty win would be nice but at this point I am fine with a win.
And can we talk about Dallas? I live in Dallas. I am going to the game on Thanksgiving. I dislike this city, team and 95% of it’s elitist asshole fans very much. I would REALLY LOVE TO SPEND THE DAY EATING MY TOFURKY INSTEAD OF CRYING IN IT. PLEASE. NO REALLY, PLEASE?!.
Thinking this MIGHT be the season I am promoted from bandwagon fan to fan. I still believe they can make a comeback. Somewhere deep inside they are the same guys we know and love.
Breesus Is My Homeboy
by SarahT on Oct 10, 2010 9:30 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Tofurky?
Unforgivable.
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
I'm driving down from KS to see them play in Dallas.
Spending a lot of money on tickets, hotel room, and meals while we’re there. They really need to win that game. Really.
"It's better to burn out than fade away."
by SaintsFan-KS on Oct 10, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
The Saints always seem to play up or down to the competition. Dallas doesn’t worry me as much as Cleveland does, for some reason.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I really did think they would lose one of the next three, the Arizona game included. Still hoping it’s only one. I also said we’d win one we’re not expected to. Of course, with the rate things are going, that may describe more teams than I initially thought.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Right on the money
I agree with Sarah T “Somewhere deep inside they are the same guys we know and love.” That is true. I think though that something is more wrong with Brees than we all know. He simply looks tired as if he’s battling something. Today, all of us saw that there was such a lack of urgency. Last year, the Saints believed in “Finishing” strong, that was their mantra. I think its time to bring it back. I don’t think we are at DEVCON 5 yet, but if the urgency doesnt return over the next couple weeks, there will be some really sad fans.
I have been a fan since Archie. I wont give up on them now and I know you wont either.
I wonder how many Who Dats are at the airport tonight.
Oh.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
by coldpizza on Oct 10, 2010 10:03 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Are you even a fan?
Or do you just make it a habit to incessantly bitch and moan?
This negativity is palpable. I’m alone as a fan halfway around the world in a foreign country, and apparently on this blog as well.
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
oh he's a fan all right
Also their biggest, most sincere critic. He’s never satisfied. Continuous improvement!
See ya later, Hotshot.
“Are you even a fan? Or do you just make it a habit to incessantly bitch and moan?”
All of the above. Particularly when sh** irks me.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Yes you are the only fan on this blog.
The rest of us just come here to mess with you.
Breesus Is My Homeboy
Don't be ridiculous
I truly find it fascinating how this discussion has evolved.
Ten, even five years ago, we would not be having this discussion.
Keep that in perspective.
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
10 5 years ago
We had a booming economy, a different President, and a different world. Times have changed, I understand that you are trying to remain optimistic, but some of us want to worry, at least it feels like we can do something to try and help so our team will stop this bad course and head to the right path and go two dat. Keep in perspective that 8 months ago to the day, I still could not stop smiling.
Week 6 matchup: Bucs
Week 6 motto: Win? Maybe? Alright well then just don't embarrass me.
sad but true
Who dat, from a cajun exiled to cowboy country.
by alcoholic_insight on Oct 11, 2010 3:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't buy the 'one dimensional' crap...
I would give my left nut to have the ‘one dimensional" passing attack that racked up 5000 yards in 2008. They knew the pass was coming and they still couldn’t stop it. Where the hell is that at now?
Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it. ~Heywood Hale Brown
5000 yards in 2008
Even with all of those passing yards we did not make the playoffs. I have learned that the only stats that matter are turnovers and points and we need to start getting alot more to win.
“I have learned that the only stats that matter are turnovers and points”
More like points and TOP. Kaseem Moore’s interception didn’t amount to much of jack for the Redskins last year. Truth be told, a broken up pass would have behooved them more than the turnover, in that particular case.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Turnovers play into TOP. That’s truly the only reason why they’re important.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
They're also pretty important
because they keep points off the board for other teams. I remember the whole “time of possesion” argument and I agreed with your side, it is VERY important. But a 10 minute drive doesn’t mean squat if you turn the ball over at the end of it. I think the most important stats go: 1. Score 2. Turnovers 3. Time of possesion. But I guess it is debateable.
"Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth." --Mike Tyson
They keep points off the board for other teams, BECAUSE THEY DON’T POSSESS THE BALL. That’s the essence of a takeaway. You’re gaining possession and — in maintaining that possession — disallowing your opponent the opportunity to score. Like I pointed out, there’s nothing magical about a fumble recovery or an interception in and of itself. If you immediately give the ball back to the other team, all you’ve done, in essence, is eaten up a couple of seconds and given them a first down, either further upfield (read: closer to a score) or downfield (ultimately less time for your offense). Pick sixes are nice, but never as beneficial as a takeaway + sustained drive for the same six points.
“But a 10 minute drive doesn’t mean squat if you turn the ball over at the end of it.”
Not true. It means your opponent has ten minutes less time in the game to score themselves. Obviously, the value of that seemingly fruitless march depends on the size of the lead you hold at the time. A trailing team could see benefit, if that lengthy drive keeps a more potent offense on the sidelines, thereby lessening their opportunity at increasing their lead before halftime. Even in a scoreless game, 75 minutes worth of keepaway could ultimately result in a draw, which CAN behoove a team (or rather, not hurt one) in and of itself. See the 2008 Philadelphia Eagles, who would not have advanced to the postseason, had it not been for their tie with the Bengals.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Whether or not we dominated anyone that year was not my point.
My point was that this offense doesn’t need a running game to be successful. A faltering running game has never stopped this offense from moving the ball in the past. So I refuse to believe that having a somewhat ‘one dimensional’ game has anything to do with the current offensive struggles. They need to get their heads out of their asses and play some damn football. Pure and simple.
Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it. ~Heywood Hale Brown
lol
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
“A faltering running game has never stopped this offense from moving the ball in the past.”
Moving the ball doesn’t win games. Possessing the ball wins games. I guess it’s just a big coincidence that our running game was the pits in 2007 and 2008, the two years we didn’t manage to qualify for the playoffs. Or all Jason David’s fault. Even if that’s where you choose to throw the blame, he would have been on the field less often, had the running game been chewing up some of that clock. Instead, we’re pouring on the yards, pouring on the points … and still losing half of our games. No rest for our mediocre at best defense, more cumulative time over the course of a game for our opponents to answer our scoring. See the 2008 Vikings game. Perfect example. Reggie Bush scores two punt returns, the Vikings answer both against a worn out defense and ultimately win the game.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
bleh...
Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it. ~Heywood Hale Brown
Don't mention that game
I still suffer bouts of rectal bleeding because of the ulcer that game gave me. Don’t, please. :’(
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
If in 2008
we had the defense we have now, we probably would have made the playoffs. We wouldn’t have made any noise in the playoffs without a running game though.
"Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth." --Mike Tyson
hmmm...
you may have a point there…we were severely one-dimensional back then but racking up points. However, I feel that running the ball takes that time off the clock and changes the opportunities the other team has to stay in the game…
2010 is cuzzin's breakout year...run with that chip bruh!
Definitely. Finishing drives with points and possessing the ball for extended periods of time are both critically important to winning consistently. You CAN win games without one or the other transpiring … it’s just increasingly rare the further and further you deviate from a maximum dose of both. For example, if the opposing QB sucks enough, you might be able to return a couple of pick sixes and punt on first down the rest of the game. To rely on futility that extreme is basically retarded. If your own QB is so prolific that he throws a one play TD on every possession, there’s a chance you might luck out and win the game after your opponent fails to match one of those scores with a standard, 4-5 minute offensive drive against your completely exhausted defense.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Completing passes takes time off the clock also.
We just..have..to..complete..passes…ARCFH/AsdfAHK
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
Passing involves incompletions, which stop the clock...
Running, barring a fumble, doesn’t stop the clock, unless it’s OOB…
2010 is cuzzin's breakout year...run with that chip bruh!
I'm extreeeeeeeemely aware of that.
I was making a point in addition to your own.
You stated that running the ball takes time off the clock. I chimed in with “completing passes takes time off the clock”. That obviously implies that not completing a pass…you know..has an adverse effect.
It wasn’t a comment seeking to trade dick-slaps with you, but rather a jab at our receivers dropping balls.
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
Quite true. If you’re completing 5 yard passes all the way down the field, you’re pretty much doing just as much clock damage as a well-sustained running attack would achieve. The inherent problem being that the average completed pass is considerably longer than the average rush. That equates to less snaps over the long haul. No one dissects the anatomy of plays that closely. Doesn’t mean it’s not a cumulative factor. The clock being restarted upon the spot of the ball following incompletions has lessened the inherent value of the run somewhat. At least that time is being eaten up now in the passing game.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I watched via Redzone so there is a lot I missed but I am beginning to wonder if the dropped passes are messing with Drew’s confidence
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
or his swagger
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
by lovingmma25 on Oct 10, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Its offical
you guys are suffering from the SB hangover, quick get some coffee
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No hangover for me
Any time the current team pisses me off or lets me down in some way, all I have to do is pop in one of three DVDs: The highlights of the 2009 Saints, the Three Best Games of ’09 or the Super Bowl.
1. Press play.
2. Sit back.
3. Climax. Multiple times.
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
I like your sig, I am a Steelers fan too. I was born and raised in N.O. but my mom was from Pittsburgh
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
by lovingmma25 on Oct 10, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
How about a bloody mary and then more bourbon?
Week 6 matchup: Bucs
Week 6 motto: Win? Maybe? Alright well then just don't embarrass me.
what?
“We still love them, of course, but they aren’t making it easy for us.”
Are you kidding me? They won the effin super bowl! Those of us who were fans during the 1980 1-15 season somehow still “loved them” then so of course we “still love them” now that they are 3-2. Jesus, you guys are starting to sound like Cowboys fans. Saints fans above all others should know that there are two teams out there trying to win every game and if you don’t bring your A game week in and week out, you are going to lose.
can't we all just get along?
"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010
Looking forward to next week
As somebody stated above if one or two of the fumbles bounces a little different it may have been a whole different ball game. Sometimes that is just the way it goes. I am by no means excusing the poor play by the team. They need to get it together. A we can do is hope we play a clean game next week and get a W so we can all relax a little bit. As long as we stop turning the ball over and the O-line steps up we will be fine. The defense is playing good we just need to put up more points.
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Your sarcasm is cute
But you need to take the Vikings off that list. What do they have to be spoiled about? Losing? flex
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
I DEMAND THE RIGHT TO BE UPSET AT EVERYTHING
INCLUDING THE TEAM, AND YOU, AND MYSELF, SOMEWHAT. BUT MOSTLY YOU. OR THE TEAM. WHATEVER.
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by Jay Preece on Oct 11, 2010 1:07 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
well said
I think
Who dat, from a cajun exiled to cowboy country.
by alcoholic_insight on Oct 11, 2010 3:07 AM CDT up reply actions
OK I'm officially concerned, that said...
Look 43 years to first Super Bowl appearance/win and the bandwagonneers start to jump ship after five games and a 3-2 record. Will always be my team 13-3 or 3-13. Remeber our first NFC championship appearance in 2006 was followed by an 0-4 start. Drew threw multiple int’s to start that season and for the same reasons he is struggling this year. Dropped passes, deflected out receivers hands, and poor protection. Our front line is not living up to their reputation for protecting Drew. I believe his poor passing can be blamed in part to being harried much of this season. Also other teams have had the whole offseason to study our system and have plenty of game tape to plan for us.Sucks being at the top sometimes. Our successful run game last yer was set up by our passing game, not our passing game set up by the run! When we finally,( Yes I’m being optinistic) stop dropping passes, etc I expect to return to form. Also for the literary geniuses out the I know I may have misspelled some words. For some reason my spell checker is not working.
When I say WHO DAT U say TWO DAT!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Oct 11, 2010 2:42 AM CDT reply actions
oops
I mean optimistic
When I say WHO DAT U say TWO DAT!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Oct 11, 2010 5:36 AM CDT up reply actions
i don't really see anyone jumping ship
a critique does not a bandwagoner make…
2010 is cuzzin's breakout year...run with that chip bruh!
Priority #1
The list is long…. but PLEASE sort the kicking game first. We are talking of overtime without that missed chip shot.
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I can't deal with the way they have been playing this year!
I’ve been watching and following the Saints since day one, but for them to be performing so differently from what everyone seems to have expected is just too much. At least against Arizona I came to the realization earlier in the game that they were likely going to lose (based on how they were playing,) so I didn’t have to worry and fret as they held off their opponent to barely pull out the win. This season may be harder than it was watching them go through the 1 or 2 win seasons and I don’t think I can take it. I thought I’d never say it, but that’s it, I’m finished with them!!
(Until next week, that is!)
"It's about time that something good like this happened." - Drew Brees
We did play poorly
let’s face it, ariz was up for this game, even with a rookie QB. We beat him up too. Our defense actually played well- they didn’t have a rushing TD or a passing TD.
The fix is easy: Ball security- don’t fumble. run the ball more, don’t fumble the ball.
don’t drop passes
convert on FGs. this is the second loss where we would have had a different outcome if FG is good.
I wouldn’t worry about the ints. They will work their way out if the above is fixed.
Also, we are not the same powerful team without Bush, PT, Sharper, Will Smith, and Porter although kudos to our defense for playing well. Payton needs to shake something up- to make a statement. Maybe bench Henderson, maybe start Wynn in front of the other RBs, or maybe replace Jahri Evans for a half. Make a statement- get their attention.
"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking
I think other teams now know more about our passing game than they ever did before
so it’s more important than ever to run the ball well to keep them honest and to keep the element of surprise. Bear in mind we have a very similar offense and very similar offensive personnel since 2006 or 2007. Lots of film and lots of tendencies. Now, we need to keep them honest with a viable, potent running attack . Defenses need to do more than try to guess which pass play we are going to execute from a formation, they need to be forced to guess if it’s a run or a play action pass. And, we need Reggie back to keep linebackers pre-occupied.
"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking
the offense is okay except for
a) turnovers
b) red zone
gotta fix those two things and we wouldn’t be having these conversations. defense is playing fine, despite being banged up, and we have generally moved the ball pretty well… until we get near their goal and have to settle for (missed) field goals.
Was called out for stooping to name calling in previous posts.
And rightfully so. It was uncalled for and unfair to those whose oppinion shocked me. My bad.
by saints-fan-in-miss on Oct 11, 2010 10:06 AM CDT reply actions
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