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New Orleans Saints 20 @ Arizona Cardinals 30: The Morning After

I already vented my initial post-game frustrations yesterday immediately following the Saints loss to the Cardinals. So I will just give you the rest of my thoughts/feelings about yesterday's debacle in bullet format and broken down by the good and bad. Naturally, there's a lot more bad than good. 

 

The Good

  • The big offensive plays made an appearance yesterday. Last week the Saints didn't have one play for over twenty yards but this week there were at least three, including a long touchdown pass to non other than Robert Meachem. That's a good sign. I think.
  •  Patrick Robinson was making some pretty nice tackles out there, leading the team actually and probably turning in his best performance to date. Granted it seems to be a throw-your-body-around, hit-or-miss style of tackling, not so much using his arms or attempting to wrap anyone up.
  •  The Saints defense did a much better job getting pressure on the rookie quarterback and taking advantage of a weak offensive line. They finished the day with a total of four sacks, the most for the defense in one game since week 4 last year against the Jets. Give it up to Alex Brown for notching his first sack of the season and as a New Orleans Saint. He might want to lose the gator clap celebration, though. Didn't he watch the game on Saturday? I also thought Jeff Charleston filled in admirably at defensive end for the injured Will Smith. Most notable was his tackle for a loss early in the game after quickly releasing from his blocker. 

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The Bad

  • I'm thinking we'll see Garrett Hartley make his triumphant return to placekicking duties next weekend. Carney is supposed to be the guy you can count, but if even he's not going to make the easy kicks then there doesn't seem to be any sense in wasting roster space with not one but two head cases. Carney's missed field goal could have sent this game to overtime and been the difference maker not that they ever should have needed it.
  • Turnovers were a huge difference maker in this game. The Saints finished with a -3 ratio no thanks to a Betts fumble and three Brees interceptions. That's not to say the Saints didn't have their chances. Sometimes the ball just doesn't bounce your way. The Saints defense did what it does best and forced four fumbles. They just weren't fortunate enough to recover any of them. 
  • Ladell Betts and Chris Ivory both split time carrying the ball again. I was satisfied with their output, again, but they didn't get used quite enough to my liking as the playcalling continues to remain unbalanced. The other bad news is that Betts coughed up a costly fumble, so now neither one of the current Saints starting running backs can really be trusted.
  • The red zone play continues to suffer. They were 1/4 yesterday, running thirteen plays and only gaining 22 yards. In the past two weeks they are 2/9 in the red zone.
  • Not that he isn't one of the best receivers currently playing the game but the Saints couldn't do much to stop Larry Fitzgerald, who had 93 yards receiving. Jabari Greer was on him most if not all of the afternoon and seemed to be giving a good amount of cushion, letting him make catches but being sure to keep Fitz in front of him. Or he was just getting burned. You be the judge. The Saints were, however, able to keep him out of the end zone and kept his longest play to 26 yards. Greer was also responsible for the Saints only turnover in their favor with his early-game interception. 
  • The offensive line continues to struggle and turned in what may have been their worst performance this season and once again, it's the right side that is most to blame. I mentioned last week that Jahri Evans was responsible for two stalled drives courtesy of his holding penalties and you can add another one to that disgusting total. Jon Stinchcomb was flagged for a false start on a key third and goal play and was also the one who got beat by his man on the Drew Brees sack/fumble. Fortunately, Stinchcomb was able to make up for his mistake and recover it. 
  • The Madden Curse continues to seemingly strike as Drew has yet another sub-par performance by his standards. Definitely the worst one of the year. No matter what issues the team as a whole may have, their chances of righting the ship drop significantly if Drew can't get himself together. It all starts and ends with him. 
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More bad than good....

I am suprised still that we lost but for some reason it is not festering in me like the Falcons loss did…Injuries are going to kill us but after I started looking at the rest of the NFC, ecspecially the Packers things might not be to bad right now…sure the loss sucks!! but the Falcons will not keep that up, nor will the Bears or Bucs. The Giants look pretty strong afte the last few weeks and Dallas looks great but cant get it done…If we beat the Bucs the cream will start to rise back to the top! Lets hope the Vikings loose tonight!!

Geaux Saints!!!

by Saintsfan4life on Oct 11, 2010 10:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Do we really have to give the purported "Madden Curse" credibility?

Do we, huh? Huh? :(

"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"

by J of the F on Oct 11, 2010 10:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Either that or the "Aints curse"

At least the Madden curse can be rectified soon.

Week 6 matchup: Bucs
Week 6 motto: Win? Maybe? Alright well then just don't embarrass me.

by Jon Banks on Oct 11, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

YOU don't have to give ANY curse credibility.

But the rest of us, Dave included, can give credibility to whatever we want.

"It's better to burn out than fade away."

by SaintsFan-KS on Oct 11, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

And I guess you have the right to be ridiculous also.

Because any logical, cogent argument would never lend credence to something so outrageously preposterous.

Grow up, there is no curse.

"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"

by J of the F on Oct 11, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

What is up with you and the attacks on people?

Week 6 matchup: Bucs
Week 6 motto: Win? Maybe? Alright well then just don't embarrass me.

by Jon Banks on Oct 11, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's a response. I don't go out of my way to do it.

"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"

by J of the F on Oct 11, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

curse or no curse

Drew is struggling. Call it what you want but Dave’s point is still valid. As goes Drew so go the Saints. Hope he figures things out soon.

by saintslam on Oct 11, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope he rights the ship too. Calling it a curse is silly though.

"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"

by J of the F on Oct 11, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Grow up, there is no curse.

If you sense pain in your left testicle, then Gris Gris Man probably read this.

And gave the impression that I did not care,
But oh, the embarrassment, oh, the despair.

by stujo4 on Oct 11, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hah

"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"

by J of the F on Oct 11, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wanted to vote none of the above.

No one stood out, every phase of the game looked awful.But more than that there was not a sense of urgency at the end as in other games.

Bear

by bearsaint on Oct 11, 2010 11:18 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd!

Definitely need a “No valuable player” or no game ball given option for this week’s poll.

"In fact with that article from today that had him real lean and everything, I think I’m going to play him at corner this week in place of Tracy Porter."-Greg Williams in refefernce to Sedrick Ellis

by BRSaintsFan on Oct 11, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Another one for you Dave

We gave an average starting position at midfield

You are my people, you are my crowd, this is our music, we love it loud...

by bondcrash on Oct 11, 2010 11:18 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

"their chances of righting the ship drop significantly if Drew can't get himself together. It all starts and ends with him."

I completely agree. What I’ve seen from Drew this season scares me. I don’t care what his stats are or aren’t. He is not the man on the field that he was last season. I don’t know what the problem is. I can speculate along with everyone else, but only he knows the answer. But if he doesn’t get his head on straight or heal up from whatever injury may be plaguing him, we’re screwed. There are times when he has a look of sheer panic out there. I don’t think I’ve seen the drive and determination on his face that I used to see when they’d have a tough game. I look back to the Miami game last year and wonder where that guy is.

"It's better to burn out than fade away."

by SaintsFan-KS on Oct 11, 2010 11:32 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't see the Confidence that Brees had in previous seasons

It looked like in the 4th quarter the whole team except the defense completely gave up. I saw what reminded me of the 4th quarter Aints yesterday. Brees looked awful out there.

 He didn’t show any passion in the 4th quarter. Is is because of his injury? The Madden curse? Something wrong with his arm? The Baby? Or is he exhausted from carrying us through the games this season?

The offense get’s a D in my book. Coaching get’s an F

by Jricky70 on Oct 11, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Could Drew be worried about the new baby?

He seems distracted like he doesn’t quite have his head totally in the game. Or, maybe he just spoiled us significantly last season with his near perfect play and ability to light up opposing defenses almost at will. The 2009 season is definitely over. I’ve basically accepted the fact that we aren’t gonna score like we did last year.

We can’t get down on Drew much, IMHO. He’s still one of the best in the league. For whatever reason, it seems that Colston and the other WRs are having a very difficult time getting open and the right side of the O-line has definitely taken a step back. Those two factors aren’t as easily seen when Drew has the ball, but they definitely affect how he performs. I’m about ready to see them charge Jahri $1 mil. for every holding penalty that gets called on him. They just made him the highest paid guard in the league. I hope he didn’t spend that money on some massive game room in his mansion where he wastes away hours each week playing video games when he should be getting prepared for the next opponent.

The play calling has left me perplexed too. It kinda pissed me off yesterday when we were trailing with about 6 1/2 minutes to go and there didn’t seem to be any urgency from Payton or Brees to get the play off. Then, they ran Betts up the middle for little to no gain. What a pisser!

I’m just speculating, but I wonder if Drew is concerned about something with his wife and the baby she’s set to have in a matter of days. She’s due either right now or this week, I think. I hope there are no problems there that may be worrying him. Maybe after she has the baby and both are in good health, Drew won’t have that to think about anymore, if that’s distracting him right now.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Oct 11, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

boom

I agree both about Drew and the play calling. Yesterday was a frustrating day.

by saintslam on Oct 11, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brees is the leader of the team

We saw the whites of his eyes a few times yesterday. Bugged out. Reminded me just a little of Tony Eason in the 1985 super bowl against the Bears, except Tony had messed his jersey pants and Drew was just not in control of things.

And gave the impression that I did not care,
But oh, the embarrassment, oh, the despair.

by stujo4 on Oct 11, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know some people may not agree with me but I think Drew should take a “day off” for the next game and put his mind at ease with his family or whatever the distraction is.

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Oct 11, 2010 1:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Might lay the Ambien as well.

And gave the impression that I did not care,
But oh, the embarrassment, oh, the despair.

by stujo4 on Oct 11, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lay OFF the Ambien! Lay OFF the Ambien!

And gave the impression that I did not care,
But oh, the embarrassment, oh, the despair.

by stujo4 on Oct 11, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, not good

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Oct 11, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

seriously?

he isn’t a first baseman! So, you want Chase Daniel in the game? Yeah, that should right the ship…

"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010

by SaintBevo on Oct 11, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

while I had some issues with the playcalling,

I have to blame this loss on my BFF Drew. Those 3 INTs (one of which wasn’t really his fault) were the difference in the game; we’re so used to his winning games for us, it’s just strange for him to lose one. Our D had their number all day, basically, and we were incredibly unlucky in terms of fumble recoveries. Even against the worst team in the NFL, turning the ball over the way we did is a recipe for disaster. I think Brees’ performance may have been a wake-up call for him, as I imagine he’s more disappointed with himself than any of us are.

Still, there aren’t any elite teams in the NFC, so I’m still confident we can hit our stride offensively and return to playoff form.

by jful on Oct 11, 2010 1:50 PM CDT reply actions  

3 INTs (one of which wasn’t really his fault)

The one off Betts fingertips? Not even Reggie could have stopped his leftward momentum to be able to come back to his right and catch that one. Drew threw it behind him, 100% on Drew.

And gave the impression that I did not care,
But oh, the embarrassment, oh, the despair.

by stujo4 on Oct 11, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am wrong

You can see all 3 picks here, the Betts one is first. Looks like it was thrown too hard to him, or he lost sight of it, or he catches passes like I do. Badly. Whatever. 100% on Betts.

And gave the impression that I did not care,
But oh, the embarrassment, oh, the despair.

by stujo4 on Oct 11, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks for the clip

I wasn’t entirely sure, but I remembered at the time thinking it wasn’t brees’ fault—of course it wasn’t a perfectly thrown ball, but betts should’ve had that

by jful on Oct 11, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

“there aren’t any elite teams in the NFC”

Wouldn’t you know that parity would actually become a reality just when we thought we might be on the brink of a dynasty.

by Drew-Dat on Oct 11, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate

that the falcons are being called the best team in the NFC. I HATE THE FALCONS

by jful on Oct 11, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

They aren't that good

they will fall back to the pack

In Breesus' name we play

by Breesus Christ Superstar on Oct 12, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought the Madden curse referred to season ending injury

28 of 94 votes, go P-Rob!!

And gave the impression that I did not care,
But oh, the embarrassment, oh, the despair.

by stujo4 on Oct 11, 2010 1:51 PM CDT reply actions  

remember, he's an objective journalist, not a fan

  jeffduncantp Jeff Duncan

Is that all? RT @wwltvsports: Payton says … 14 Ariz pts off turnovers, bad kick coverage and poor red zone efficiency stand out from film.

And gave the impression that I did not care,
But oh, the embarrassment, oh, the despair.

by stujo4 on Oct 11, 2010 1:51 PM CDT reply actions  

How about horrible playcalling!

Payton wake up! You’re doing it all wrong.

by Jricky70 on Oct 11, 2010 4:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Boom!!!

DON'T STOP 'TIL WE REACH THE TOP!!!!!!!!
Another SAINTS fan in Panther country!
GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!
WHO DAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by SAINTSfaninNC on Oct 11, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Voted P-Rob, but forced myself.

he was around the ball, gained some exp., would’ve voted Betts until his fumble. How valuable was Chris Reis on coverage teams, gonna miss that guy.

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Oct 11, 2010 4:15 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

BOOM!!!!!!

DON'T STOP 'TIL WE REACH THE TOP!!!!!!!!
Another SAINTS fan in Panther country!
GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!
WHO DAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by SAINTSfaninNC on Oct 11, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

RE: metryman's comment...

“How valuable was Chris Reis on coverage teams, gonna miss that guy.”

No doubt about it man! I know I saw at least one key missed coverage team tackle by Leigh Torrence, who was re-signed by the team to replace Chris Reis last week.

by realheavyd on Oct 11, 2010 6:13 PM CDT reply actions  

I think

it’s the dang game chant. This years chant isn’t doing what it is suppose to be doing; getting them pumped up. Last years chant seemed to always get them hyped up. I think last years chant was better anyway.

"It's about time something good like this happened." Drew Brees

by saints_r_us#9 on Oct 11, 2010 11:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Girlfriends...

…who tried and do last year chant as a surprise for my birthday last April. And all dressed up in Black and Gold too! Only problem is they don’t speak english that much so, instead of going “One, two, Win, For you…”, they learned it the exact way Brees did it in that bar last season. So they went: “When I say one, you say two, when I say win you say for you…”

Thought it was so nice for them to try that I felt like honoring it anyway. So yeah, I’m the guy going bezerk at the end….I just didn’t know someone would record it!

Repeat? Under construction...

by FrenchFreak on Oct 12, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

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