Fleur-De-Links Thursday, October 14: Thar She Blows!!!
It's Thursday heading into the game against the Buccaneers, and those crusty, scurvy scalliwags of the sea are in our sights and on our site.
And it just makes me think...the Vikings have the longboat, the Bucs have their pirate ship...do we face any other nautical teams this season? With all the talk of the Saints "righting the ship" and "steering back on course" and "keep pulling the oars together" it seems fitting to play the Bucs. Maybe this team is just whom we need to face right now.
Move along to the next page for the latest news, notes, tweets, videos, and a transcript to keep you up to date on the preparations and calculations by the Saints and Buccaneers.
JonVilma51 In sports, winning cures everything...
Jmack37 Hope everyone had a blessed day...
HeathEvans NiteTweets! Team bible study @ our house 2nite was great! We had 10 guys & there fams! Great fun seeing the kids runnin around 2gether #fb
T_Porter22 Woke up to another great day (thanks to the all mighty GOD)..now looking to improve from yesterday..let's get it!!
jeffduncantp I'd be surprised but need to ask around. His health is an issue. @cunn9326: do you think the Saints may be interested in Shawne Marriman?
LanceMoore16 Happy Thursday everyone. Let's do work today.
BillyMiller83 As much as we want our sons to grow up and be their own man most of the time they are a reflection of us fathers, Good and Bad!
jeffduncantp The #Saints signed WR Montez Billings to the practice squad today to replace OT Jermey Parnell, who was signed to Cowboys' active roster.
jeffduncantp Updates to the #Saints injury report: FS Roman Harper (ham) & LB Scott Shanle (hamstring) were limited.
jeffduncantp RT @Official_Saints: Payton on @Pierre_Thomasstatus "He is progressing each day. We are monitoring it & we will see where he is tomorrow."
jeffduncantp Except would like to cut down on penalties. @wwltvsports: Payton says by & large the o-line is doing well & he has confidence in them still.
jeffduncantp Payton on PK Garrett Hartley: "He's our kicker. He's had a great couple of weeks kicking. He's got too much ability. He's gonna play well."
jeffduncantp Payton said the #Saints will consider all of their options w/FS Sharper & LB Ingram as pertains to the PUP. No decision on their status.
T_Porter22 What type of dog is Brian on Family Guy? @Stewie_Griffinn
Jmack37 What up tweeps...has the gym turned into a happy hours spot... ????
dmpressley Def. Got better today... I got a feeling....!
Saints News and Notes and Commentary
2theadvocate.com | Struggling Brees, Saints seek answers
Sheldon Mickles
Rush to repeat - New Orleans Saints - SunHerald.com
Brett Martel - AP
In the Numbers: Can the Saints bounce back? | wwltv.com | Eye on Black and Gold
Handwerger looks at some of the numbers game within the game for the upcoming Bucs tilt.
Saints know one thing is true: team isn’t cursed or hungover | wwltv.com | Eye on Black and Gold
Handwerger - Heath Evans has but two questions for those possibly hinting that the Saints are suffering from a Super Bowl hangover or the Madden Curse.
A win or a must-win, that is the question for the Saints | wwltv.com | Eye on Black and Gold
Handwerger - Five weeks into the NFL season, New Orleans is 3-2 and third in the NFC South.
New Orleans Saints kicker Garrett Hartley plans to make the most of 'fresh start' | NOLA.com
Mike Triplett - He said he wants to turn roller coaster career into steady climb uphill.
Garrett Hartley not on a short leash with New Orleans Saints | NOLA.com
James Varney
Running back Julius Jones is happy he landed with New Orleans Saints | NOLA.com
Mike Triplett - Veteran was released by Seattle Seahawks last week.
New Orleans Saints' offense missing its mojo | NOLA.com
James Varney
Injuries/Roster News
Few changes in New Orleans Saints injury report Thursday | NOLA.com
Varney - Will Smith says he 'feels good'
Checking on injuries that matter most - NFC South Blog - ESPN.com
Pat Y checks his watch and realizes: Time to check in on the injuries that matter most across the NFC South.
Gay, Thomas sit out Saints practice again | wwltv.com | Eye on Black and Gold
Handwerger - Randall Gay once again missed practice for the Saints, increasing the chances of a limited role in New Orleans’ Sunday showdown at Tampa Bay.
New Orleans Saints tailback Reggie Bush is feeling good but not 100 percent | NOLA.com
Mike Triplett - He has no guess for when he will return from broken fibula.
Tinkering on New Orleans Saints practice squad roster | NOLA.com
James Varney - Jermey Parnell signed with Dallas, Billings is Back!
Mailbags
Is Drew Brees having shoulder problems? | NOLA.com
Duncan's mailbag.
New Orleans Saints mailbag - NFC South Blog - ESPN
Pat Y taps into some Saints mail.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers mailbag - NFC South Blog - ESPN
Pat Y's mailbag. How does it compare to Jeff Duncan's?
The Toast of Tampa
Bucs say naysayers provide ample motivation | tbo.com
Tampa Tribune Columnist Joe Henderson admits he was among the cynics, and the Bucs are thriving amid the negativity.
Bucs youthful secondary picks its spots | tbo.com
Roy Cummings - These are heady days for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' rather youthful secondary.
Bucs hold Graham out of practice with 'older legs' | tbo.com
R. Cummings - Thursday injury report.
Military trainer spreads love of Bucs in Afghanistan | tbo.com
Howrad Altman - Tampa's Lisette Bonano is breaking ground as a teacher of Afghan men and recruiter of pewter devotees.
Lagniappe
New Orleans Saints running back Chris Ivory denies he's guilty of 2009 assault charge | NOLA.com
Mike Triplett
Drew Brees overwhelmed by responses to his baby name request | NOLA.com
Triplett - New Orleans Saints QB, wife Brittany expect boy soon.
New Orleans Saints trivia and tidbits: On the radio (Part 1)
William Taylor walks us through the lineage of Saints radio announcers from 1967-1981.
Transcript
from neworleans.com
New Orleans Saints Coach Sean Payton - Thursday, October 14, 2010
Opening Statement:
"From a transaction standpoint, we side wide receiver Montez Billings to the practice squad. Jermey Parnell was signed to the Cowboys' active roster so that's a one for one switch there. On the injury front, Stanley Arnoux (ankle) was full; Drew Brees (knee) was full; Jimmy Graham (ankle) was full; Chris Ivory (knee) was full; Jon Stinchcomb (shoulder) was full; Zach Strief (knee) was full; Leigh Torrence (toe) was full; Anthony Waters (hamstring) was full; Jimmy Wilkerson (knee) was full; Marques Colston (rib) was full; Jeff Charleston (neck) was full; Usama Young (quad) was full; Scott Shanle (hamstring) was limited; Will Smith (groin) was limited; Roman Harper (hamstring) was limited; Randall Gay (head) did not practice; Reggie Bush (fibula) did not practice; Tracy Porter (knee) did not practice; Pierre Thomas (ankle) did not practice."
Is Pierre Thomas' ankle progressing?
"He's progressing. Each morning we get in and we see where he's at and we just take it day-to-day with the treatment and his rehab. We'll see where he's at tomorrow and kind of approach it that way. That's the only way that you can."
What's typical for an ankle sprain that isn't a high ankle sprain?
"That's a great question because this is not high; it's down in the lower portion. A lot of it is symptomatic; in other words, as the symptoms dissipate then you can increase land-based activities. So the swelling has significantly gone away and now it's just getting it strong enough to where at his position he feels like he can cut and plant off of it."
So there was no ligament damage or anything like that?
"No. It's what I said in the beginning."
Was Matt Giordano brought in because of Roman Harper's lingering hamstring?
"No, he was brought in really for the kicking game and his ability to give us help and play as a core special teams guy."
Could Randall Gay's situation something that he'll deal with for a long time?
"That's a good question. Obviously it's different than an ankle, but in order for him to be ready ready, his symptoms have to be clear and we all have to feel comfortable that they are; whether it's the light or the headaches - some of those things that have come back. We have to feel confident that those things are no longer present."
Is it something that he aggravated in the last week?
"No. I asked that question when it came up yesterday and there wasn't a hit that all of a sudden...there wasn't anything specific, but he had some more symptoms, more than we would have expected and we have to pay attention to those."
How is the offensive line performing this season?
"I think they have done a good job. When you look at the last couple of weeks, just in regards to our ability to run the football...obviously there are little things that they want to improve on but by and large, I think that group is a group that we're very confident in and will continue to improve just like the rest of the offense. They're doing well."
Have the penalties along the line been a concern?
"Those specifically, you obviously want to eliminate those, especially the ones that put you at 2nd-and-20. When you look at the percentages of converting those, you drop really quickly. That would be one area that they feel like they can improve on."
So the run game isn't an area that's down to the line?
"I think they're doing a good job. It's hard to get the numbers...you see 80-some yards last week and ask what happened with the offensive line. When you have three turnovers, then count the snaps. You look at yards per carry; you pay attention to the efficiency of when you're running the football. Those are some of the key statistics that I think are critical."
In general, how is Jon Stinchcomb playing?
"I think he's doing well. He's battling. Some of those are coverage sacks where either we're holding on to it or we're having trouble getting someone open. He's battling hard and holding his own."
Would you say that Garrett Hartley is on a shorter leash as he comes back as the kicker?
"No, that would not be the way I would word it. He's our kicker. I just watched him kick today and he's had a great week - he's had a great couple of weeks. So I wouldn't say that. There have been times where we've sat in here and every one of you guys have known - including myself - that whoever the player might be, but that wouldn't apply to him. He has too much ability. He's going to play just fine over the long haul. He's going to play well."
Are you a little surprised to find yourselves at 3-2 going up against a 3-1 Tampa team?
"Not in this league. This league is week to week. It's a battle each week. We knew it was going to be tough coming into this season and we certainly need to improve in areas; that's why we're practicing and getting ready to play hopefully our best game of the year this week. Surprise would not be how I would ever describe where a team is at or where we're at. From an outsider's view, you might say that there is a certain team but I wouldn't use Tampa in that fashion either, when you watch them play and you watch the way they're playing. You are what your record is and that's where they're at; they're 3-1 and we're 3-2 and this is the sixth week of the season and here we go."
When you remind your team of a danger of an opponent, do you just have to bring up Week 16 from last season this week?
"I think as you try to look at certain things statistically in a game like this you would point to some of the things that they're doing well. They're taking the ball away well; they're second in the NFL in interceptions. You try to point to some pertinent statistics that relate specifically to this game. Whether it's third down or red zone, those are all things that we'll involve in our meetings."
Have you had to bring a guy like Patrick Robinson along quicker than you first anticipated?
"When you get nicked up with Tracy (Porter) and potentially Randall (Gay) he's receiving more snaps. Fortunately for us his progress has given us confidence to put the player in situations. He had a good week again this week. Very quickly he's getting acclimated. Without the injuries would he be receiving the same amount of snaps? I don't think so, but he's handling what he's receiving right now real well."
Does that obviously make you stronger when Gay and Porter come back?
"Yes. Now you get experience and playing time and people get work at other positions with running back for instance or corner, potentially even safety last week."
Would you go with three corners if Randall can't play or would you need a fourth corner?
"We'll see."
Could someone like Usama Young play corner?
"That's something that we have to decide."
If you look at how there aren't any undefeated teams left and that there is a lot of parity, does it make it more amazing what you and Indianapolis did last year in terms of how you started?
"If you just took the last ten years, these seasons, I think the exceptions to the rule would be the 13-0 or 14-0. A team gets out to a slower start or a faster start, some are in between. We're sitting here at this time and people are predicting San Francisco would win that division and they're still trying to get their first win. In '07 coming off the season we had, that's why there's such a fine line with winning and losing and I think what isn't the norm would be what you alluded to."
Are the records of teams being close to the pack more the norm?
"I think it's the norm if you went back and charted the last ten years."
Drew Brees talked about the importance of divisional games and that one on the road can almost count as two games. Can you talk about that?
"A division game carries more importance because obviously if you win the game the other divisional opponent loses the game and you pick up what amounts to a full game and potentially down the road what is your first tiebreaker, your divisional record. Certainly there's value in how you play in your division."
Do you place more importance on this division game than the first two because it's on the road?
"I just don't know that home and away matter in what you're saying. I think it's division games, you're going to play three teams twice, six games, home and on the road. You want to win your division games. They don't carry more importance when you win them at home or on the road. They carry equal importance, but you want to play well in your division. I think if you look at a set of goals, everyone of the NFC South team's first goal would be to win the NFC South and the second one would be to earn a good seeding, the best you could possibly do and advance. The first set of goals I would say every one of these 32 teams has is to win your division and one important aspect of that is playing well in your division."
Can you discuss the process of when Clint Ingram and Darren Sharper could be activated?
"The window of eligibility begins when they come off (PUP). There's another period of time that takes place before you actually have to make a decision. That's still a good time period away. We keep evaluating progress and how they're doing in their rehab. We have time still."
Doesn't the six week period end after the Tampa Bay game?
"Yes. I'm not certain if it ends right after Tampa Bay or the following week. I know this when the six week period ends you have the ability to activate immediately or you have a grace period."
They can practice with the team right away?
"They can practice for a 21-day window and then you have to make a decision"
Are both of those guys healthy enough to practice?
"I didn't say that."
What is their current status?
"They're both making progress. We'll see."
Do they have to pass a physical in order to practice?
"Yes at some point you have to pass them on a physical before the next step."
Can you discuss your challenge on the fumble before the goal line that went in for the touchdown?
"The fumble's the fumble. What he (Referee) told me was that he wasn't able to see the helmet of the quarterback go off in any of the angles he saw. We just had a clear look on the jumbotron. You could see the helmet go off. I was challenging the helmet off and the play being dead. He said he didn't have enough evidence to see that and so ball's out, scoop up and touchdown."
Is that along the line of the Ken Stabler "Holy Roller" play in 1978?
"I think the nature of the how the ball came out, it was such that they felt comfortable that it was a typical fumble."
V-Roll Roll Call
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It's already 8:38 Central Time.
How the hell am I suppose to read it all and still go to bed at a reasonable time?
Keep up the good work sir.
Repeat? Under construction...
Sean Payton is lying liar
So there was no ligament damage or anything like that? [in reference to Pierre’s ankle sprain]
SP: No. It’s what I said in the beginning.
If it’s a sprain, the ligament is injured by definition.
How is the offensive line performing this season?
SP: I think they have done a good job.
So the run game isn’t an area that’s down to the line?
SP:I think they’re doing a good job.
How is Jon Stinchcomb playing?
SP: I think he’s doing well.
No you don’t, or you’d be calling more running plays. You wouldn’t be so upset with the turnovers, at least half of which are a result of shoddy work by the offensive line. You wouldn’t be saying that they need to clean up all the penalties. These are grown men, and it’s time you stopped coddling them in press conferences like they were your kids or something. I’m sure Payton is letting them know behind closed doors, but if he continues to talk like this in press conferences, he will lose credibility as a coach that knows how to fix the problems on his team.
links question
Just curious – is there a rationale behind posting links as fanshots and then reposting them here in the Fleur-de-Links posts? Seems like one or the other would be sufficient. Just asking.
We had a big community discussion about this I believe
and the current system was agreed upon.
Am I remembering that correctly? Can someone confirm?
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by Dave Cariello on Oct 15, 2010 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Confirmed^2. So that way the early birds could see the articles and the videos first, then at the end of the day it is summed up for people who weren’t here to see it first and didn’t know to go check. As well if a post is created before Dave et all creates one, kudos Is given. Speaking of this is dr whodat still here? Haven’t seen him in a while.
Week 6 matchup: Bucs
Week 6 motto: Win? Maybe? Alright well then just don't embarrass me.
by Jon Banks on Oct 15, 2010 8:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
here's a suggestion
after spending a couple of hours putting the post together, it may be a bit much to ask said author to go back and find every link that is a repeat and “kudo” them. Maybe eagle-eye readers who notice these can offer up the kudos in the comment threads of these posts.
I would like to see folks get credit for being Johnny/Julie on the Spot, and wouldn’t want anyone to feel like I was trying to steal any thunder or credit from them in re-posting what they found first…
It's gonna be a great year.
by Hans Petersen on Oct 15, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I wasn't trying to be a prick
I just didn’t remember why that was done. The nola.com and wwltv.com links are routinely included in the Fleur-de-Links post, so I was just curious why they were being posted as fanshots as well.
I didn't think you were, but thanks...
…just trying to offer a solution that would work for everyone…
It's gonna be a great year.
by Hans Petersen on Oct 16, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Badda-bing!
(Don’t forget to tip your waitress.)
Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!
I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.
by Just 'Nother Day on Oct 15, 2010 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Tip her overboard?
Week 6 matchup: Bucs
Week 6 motto: Win? Maybe? Alright well then just don't embarrass me.
by Jon Banks on Oct 15, 2010 9:00 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
JND - how ya been?
seems like it’s been a while since I’ve seen your avatar and wit…
It's gonna be a great year.
by Hans Petersen on Oct 15, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been laying low trying to figure out WTF is going on.
If I figure it out you’ll be one of the first to know!
Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!
I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.
by Just 'Nother Day on Oct 16, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I know what you mean...
but hey! It’s gameday…which colored dots will you watch on the computer screen today – nfl.com or espn.com?
It's gonna be a great year.
by Hans Petersen on Oct 17, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I ended up "watching" it again Yahoo Game Channel.
Sometimes the live links work for me. Sometimes not.
Winning makes it all better!
Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!
I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.
by Just 'Nother Day on Oct 18, 2010 2:57 AM CDT up reply actions
and what if the Falcons and/or Ravens landed on a ship and it sailed away
or you imagine some Bethelehem steel on a submarine or curise ship?
It's gonna be a great year.
by Hans Petersen on Oct 15, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
curise = cruise
It's gonna be a great year.
by Hans Petersen on Oct 15, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I see you jumped on that correction quickly
before CP got to it (lol). It’s okay, everyone knew what you meant.
"Relax, have a homebrew."
by CajunCavern on Oct 16, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
You have to stand behind your O-lIne publicly.
You have to stand behind all of your players oublicly. All the good coaches do. If you don’t you lose them and their loyalty to you as a coach. They continue to play hard, but they hate you as a coach. Then team chemistry suffers.
You may not like that, but that’s the way it goes. Now in the locker room or Payton’s office, he may ream the guy. But if Payton were to ream a guy privately, then in the locker room and then in the media, he would be like a Singletary or a Ditka and we see where that goes.
Andy Reid is very much the same way and he gets the players to play for him because he stnds up for them. I’m sure
he reams them at times or his coordinators do, but they respect him because he keeps it in house and professional.
"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking
by Philinwood on Oct 15, 2010 6:13 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I get it
I acknowledged as much in my (harsher than intended) comment above. But I think at some point, he needs to be honest about problems in public, or lose credibility, like Wade Phillips. Singletary is an interesting example. He did publicly call out Vernon Davis, and that worked pretty well. But then he tried to publicly support his OC when there were obvious problems, and he lost credibility when the guy was fired a week later. I don’t expect Payton will ever be brutally honest like a Rex Ryan (I don’t think I’d want him to be). I know that’s not in his coaching DNA. But I don’t want him to look foolish by saying everything’s fine when it’s obviously not.
This is what I’m talking about.
Now that is what I mean by being honest. It doesn’t have to be mean or intended to shame.
and Drew stands behind the o-line every Sunday
It's gonna be a great year.
by Hans Petersen on Oct 15, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions

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