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Previewing the Saints-Bucs Game

Can Brew Drees and Robert Meachem find that deep pass magic again? The game may turn on whether they can.

Welcome to my new weekly Saints preview column. Each week, I'll look at the Saints' upcoming matchup from a few different angles so that you're ready to go when gametime comes. Sometimes it'll be short, sometimes long, it just depends on how much I have to say that week. Ain't the internet great?

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A note on statistics

I'm going to be looking at the Saints games using a variety of statistics, some familiar, and some less familiar. Football is hard to analyze statistically, but there are some good, smart folks out there who are doing the best they can. While I have taken WAY TOO MANY statistics courses in graduate school, I am not a statistical expert by any means. If you think I've screwed something up (IMPOSSIBLE!), then let me know in the comments. If you don't understand something, then let me know in the comments. If you'd like to send me money, then let me know in the comments.

I recognize that statistical analysis isn't the end-all, be-all, but I do think it can shed light on games. If you disagree, then this ain't your column. Feel free to read something else...I won't be offended.

Enough preamble; let's hit it.

Saints Offense vs. Bucs Defense

Each week, I calculate the Saints' yards per passing attempt over at WhoDatReport.com. Why yards per passing attempt? Because it's a good, easy-to-calculate, and easy-to-understand measure of offensive efficiency that directly correlates to winning. In other words, teams with a higher YPA tend to win more. Similarly, teams that hold their opponents to a lower YPA tend to win more. There are other stats that are just as good, even better, and we'll look at those from time-to-time, as well.

I calculate yards per attempt a little different than some others do: I count sacks as passing attempts for negative yards and subtract 60 yards for each interception. I call this adjusted yards per attempt, which I abbreviate aYPA. Let's look at an example:

Last week, Brew Drees attempted 39 passes for 279 yards, was sacked 1 time for -6 yards, and threw 3(!) interceptions. His traditional YPA was 279 / 39 = 7.15, which doesn't look bad.

His adjusted YPA tells a different story. To calculate aYPA, we subtract sack yardage and 60 yards per interception from the total yards, which gives us 279 -6 -180 = 93 yards. We then add the number of sacks to the number of attempts to get 39 + 1 = 40 passing attempts. Brew's aYPA, then, was 93 / 40 = 2.33, which paints a much uglier picture. Ideally, you want an aYPA over 7 or 8, which the Saints haven't had this year.

This year, from an aYPA perspective, the Saints' offense has been bad. Their average aYPA is a mediocre 5.11. I've made a pretty graph on their weekly trend, and it isn't good.Why so bad? My working theory is that the Saints' deep passing game hasn't been there this year. Whether or not that's because opponents have been doing a good job defending the deep pass or because we've done a poor job of getting open, I'm not sure. I just know that the Saints' offense is much less efficient this year.

The dropped passes sure haven't helped, either.

Here's the scary part of this week's matchup: the Bucs' defense has held their opponents average of 2.69 aYPA this year. That's really good, and doesn't bode well for the Saints.

Now, there are a couple of mitigating factors to the Bucs' stellar defensive performance. These factors are called Carson Palmer, Charlie Batch, Matt Moore, and Jake Delhomme. The Bucs have played some terrible quarterbacks, which has contributed to their good defensive statistics.

Still, it'd be nice if they weren't playing so well.

So, what am I looking for this week? I'm looking for the Saints' offense to hit some deep passes this week, opening up the running game and the short-to-medium passing game. Remember, NFL teams tend to pass to set up the run, and not vice-versa (I'll explain in future columns). That's especially true when you have our running game, which is...stinky.

So, we need the big pass to open up the rest of our offense. I think we can do it, and here's why:

I spoke with Bucs blogger Eric Schmidt on this week's Who Dat Report, and he told me that the weak spot on the Bucs' defense right now is the defensive line. That's a good weak spot from the Saints' perspective, because the Saints' offensive line has been crappy this year.

In addition to a poor defensive line, though, I think the Bucs' secondary is exploitable. Ronde Barber (the Saints Slayer) is approximately 163 years old...in fact, I think I saw his name signed to the Declaration of Independence. On top of that their free safety, Sabby Piscatelli, is terrible. I mean really terrible. How bad? Well, let's just say Josh Bullocks thinks he stinks.

So, given our receivers and hall-of-fame level quarterback, I think we can take advantage of the Bucs' secondary, even if they play defense to limit the deep pass.

At least, I hope we can.

Beer of the Week: Because sober analysis requires good beer

When I can, I like to sample a beer or two from the Saints' opponents' city. I'll stick a quick review in the column because I can.

This week: Cigar City Brewing's Jai Alai IPA.

Jai Alai is a very good, American-style IPA, heavy on the citrus, and less bitter than a lot of IPAs. It's pretty well-balanced, but on the medium-to-heavy side. Very attractive looking, for what that's worth. This would go well with crab cakes, which is appropriate, given that it's from Tampa. At 8% ABV, 2 of these is plenty for the afternoon. Hopefully the Saints' play this week won't force me to drink more...

Saints defense vs. Bucs offense

This column is already running a bit long, so I won't have as much to say about the Saints' D vs. the Bucs' O. The Bucs have averaged 5.04 aYPA this year, which is just a shade worse than the Saints' offense. The Saints' defense has given up an average aYPA of 4.72, which is pretty good.

Frankly, I'm just not that worried about the Bucs offense against our defense. Their best receiver is Mike Williams, who has been great for a rookie, but is still just a rookie. They also have a big stable of mediocre running backs. I am worried a bit about LeGarrette Blount, who is a pretty big dude, and could wear down our defensive line if the Bucs get a lead.

So, let's not let them get a lead.

That was way too long...could you just give me a one-paragraph summary and prediction?

Sure. Basically, the Saints offense has been mediocre, and the Bucs defense has been good against some mediocre teams. However, I think the Bucs' secondary is exploitable, especially if their mediocre defensive line can't generate a good pass rush. If the Saints are going to start looking like last year's Saints, this is a good week to do it. If not, then we could be in for a long, frustrating year. Also, try Jai Alai IPA, it's pretty good.

So, there's your first Who Dat Report preview. I'm brainstorming names for this column; if you have any ideas, stick 'em in the comments, and we'll roll out the new name next week.

Thanks for reading, and go Saints!

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Statistics! GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

(No offense.)

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on Oct 16, 2010 7:36 AM CDT reply actions  

"There are lies, damn lies, and statistics."

-Mark Twain. Writer is right, though. Saints have to complete some deep passes or it will never get better.

"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds" -Bob Marley

by PanheadCatahoula on Oct 16, 2010 8:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Really enjoyed this post

I look forward to more. I’ll be thinking of a title in the meantime. Thanks stuart.

In Breesus' name we play

by Breesus Christ Superstar on Oct 16, 2010 8:56 AM CDT reply actions  

I’m glad you enjoyed it, Breesus Christ Superstar. Thanks for reading.

by Stuart Carlton on Oct 17, 2010 5:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great post, Stuart!

Welcome aboard.

I look forward to reading more from you, as I appreciate your slight statistical leanings (I was a psych major in college and took much from my statistics and experimental design courses…).

Keep an eye out for CajunCavern, one of or members who brews his own beer. I bet y’all could get a good beer thread going…

Legit question – I tried calling in about this on the Wednesday podcast you visited, but I didn’t get the call in in time…

I agree with the general idea of the pass setting up the run, for both the Saints and the NFL as an overall trend.

But what I want to know is, do you think it’s necessarily the DEEP PASSING GAME that loosens up the “D” to be susceptible to the run, or could it be ANY established success in passing that frees up the run to work later…

Thanks for taking my call…I’m going to hang up and listen to your answer.

PS – Innocent curiosity as to your personal history (we share personal Saints history stories from time to time here on CSC) – How long have you lived in New Orleans and been a Saints fan (do you live in New Orleans)? Raised in a family of Saints fans? Expound, please.

It's gonna be a great year.

by Hans Petersen on Oct 16, 2010 9:46 AM CDT reply actions  

nevermind about your history

I just read your profile on your user page.

Nice avatar – is that Peter Jackson from South Park?

It's gonna be a great year.

by Hans Petersen on Oct 16, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doh…just saw this.

No, that’s an avatar of me created using some South Park character generator.

by Stuart Carlton on Oct 17, 2010 6:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for reading and for the questions. Lets go one at a time:

re: pass/run. Generally, I think any sort of passing success is what sets up the run, because teams primarily run a lot when they’re winning and trying to run out the clock.

With the Saints, though, I think the deep pass is an important part of their offense, and has been strangely missing this year. We haven’t had the insane Brees-Colston hookups this year, in which Colston is double-covered 25 yards downfield, and Brees chucks it to him anyway for a completion.

Good fodder for a future column, but I hope that helps.

As far as my background, I’ve started to fill out my bio page, but the brief version: Born and raised in NOLA, lived there until I graduated from Tulane at age 22. I’m now stuck in Gator country, where I’m working toward a PhD in UF’s School of Natural Resources and Environment.

My sister was a good athlete, so we were often traveling to soccer or softball tournaments on the weekend, so I’m quite familiar with Jim and Archie, then Jim and Stan Brock, and then Jim and Hokie.

I sold beer at the Super Dome (and the NO Brass at Municipal Auditorium and the NO Arena, and the Zephyrs games, for that matter, at both UNO and the new joint) for the end of the Ditka era and the beginning of the Haslett era, including the Hakim Dropped the Ball game. I’ve watched or listened to nearly every Saints game for as long as I can remember.

So, there’s the brief version!

by Stuart Carlton on Oct 17, 2010 6:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the beer of the week post

I’ve already given a “shoutout” to Cigar City brewing. Some IPA would go nice with my jambalaya this weekend.

I’ve got two and a half more months to wait on my Belgian Strong Ale, but alas, I have stout to bottle condition next weekend! Trying to convince my wife that I need more brewing equipment! AIEEEEE!

"Relax, have a homebrew."

by CajunCavern on Oct 16, 2010 10:03 AM CDT reply actions  

You really do need some more home brew equipment, that much is obvious :)

Thanks for reading. I’ll be driving during the first half of today’s game, so have an IPA for me.

by Stuart Carlton on Oct 17, 2010 6:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nope, that's Meacham

Check the number on the back, it has a “point” at the upper corner, so it’s a “7” not a “2”, which would be rounded off.

Meacham and Colston have very similar builds, so it would be easy to confuse them if you couldn’t see the numbers clearly. :-)

Who Dat? TWO DAT! Do dat AGAIN!!!

by GSO Saints Fan on Oct 16, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was my point... it looked like a 2

but in anycase… it’s all good.

"Relax, have a homebrew."

by CajunCavern on Oct 16, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

nice post

i will not be drinking any tampa beer during the game though… hopefully they turn it around this weekend

"As a Saint fan I watch ‘Gone with the Wind’ just to watch Atlanta burn" -Ralph Malbrough

by DrewBreesManCrush on Oct 16, 2010 11:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Thank you. Abita has new IPA that’s pretty good. It’s called Jockamo, and has a neat label with Mardi Gras Indians on it. Although, I guess you shouldn’t drink a beer just for the label :)

by Stuart Carlton on Oct 17, 2010 6:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

OK, I got a question.

Why 60 yards?

I mean, if you’re going to over-analyze and come up with your own fancy statistics methods, why not come up with something realistic? Because the damage from an interception is going to vary based on SO many factors that a flat rate like that is, well, pretty ridiculous. I mean, when a long bomb interception is tossed and the opponent gets the ball on their own 1 yard line (and fails to run it back any), does that REALLY hurt the team that much? It’s essentially a fancy punt. Heck by some measures that might actually be good for you if your defense is even halfway decent. But when the opponent gets the ball on or about YOUR one-yard line because of an INT, it’s devastating, and we have recent evidence of this.

If you’re going to subtract yards for INTs, you should subtract the number of yards away from your goal line that the play ends. So a pick-six is worth negative 100 yards. But a pick that merely cost you points but didn’t hand free points to the enemy, such as, say, a pick on their 10 that was returned five yards, is only worth -15. Because it truly is NOT nearly as critical a dagger stroke.

by FriarBob on Oct 16, 2010 11:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Concur...

where did the 60 yards come from? Should you maybe count INTs as less and than adjust it for INTs or fumbles that lead directly to points?

Do you have points of reference/comparison for the rest of the league? For instance, does this way of thinking make Mark Sanchez look good? He actually is playing very well this year. Conversely, does Carson Palmer look like dog crap?

"Gowin on fourth and 14 will punt it away. He hangs it very high, angling it for the near sideline...HAKIM DROPS THE BALL!!! HAKIM DROPS THE BALL!! Brian Milne might've fallen on it at the ten yard line! It's the New Orleans Saints' football! Brian Milne, the most unlikely hero of them all, falls on the fumble, the muff by Hakim! There is a God after all!" -- Jim Henderson

by hakimdropstheball on Oct 16, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Those might be great adjustments to make to aYPA, and I’ll look at them in the offseason.

The 60 yards came from a couple of studies that I read. I’ll compare 60 yards to some of these other ideas in the offseason and see how they stack up. My goal is to find an easy way to measure offensive (and defensive, for that matter) efficiency, and aYPA works pretty well. However, I’m always happy to revisit, keeping in mind this one quote from John Maynard Keynes: I’d rather be roughly right than precisely wrong.

(NOT saying you’re precisely wrong, of course!)

I can’t calculate for everyone right now, but Palmer’s average aYPA is 4.22, which is pretty poor. That includes a good game with 8.65 aYPA against the Browns (hope for us next week!) and the Bengals-Ravens game that I’m going to call The Game In Which Offense Went To Die, during which Palmer’s aYPA was a mediocre 4.42 and Flacco’s was a stunningly bad -2.25 thanks to 4 picks. The Bengals won 15-10, or 5 field goals to 1 field goal and a touchdown.

If you take out the good game, Palmer’s aYPA falls to 3.11 for the year, which is terrible. You might even say dog crap.

Sanchez: The Sanchize has had 2 bad weeks this year: last week (the monsoon, 3.71 aYPA), and week 1, in which he went 10 for 21 for 74 yards (2.61 aYPA). His overall average is 5.63, including the Miami game where he went nuts for 9.14 aYPA. If you take out the monsoon week, he’s averaging a solid 6.1 aYPA.

Hope that helps.

by Stuart Carlton on Oct 17, 2010 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for reading. Those are really great points that you raise, and you’re right that every interception isn’t equally damaging. I’ll provide brief answers here and more in-depth in future columns.

Let’s take your points one at a time:

Why 60 yards?
I chose 60 yards for a couple of reasons, primarily because I read a study that someone did (I can’t find the link right now…I’m on the road) that showed that the average “cost” of an interception was about 60 yards of offense.

So, I subtract 60 yards for each interception because that’s the average value of the interception. However, an average is just an average. Some games, a QB may throw 1 or 2 devastating interceptions, and other days he might throw 1 or 2 less costly ones. That’s the nature of the beast. However, over the course of a whole season, it’ll hopefully even out.

And, even if the 60 yards is inaccurate, I still think looking at aYPA can shed some light on what’s going on during the game.

I mean, if you’re going to over-analyze and come up with your own fancy statistics methods, why not come up with something realistic?
I disagree that this is overanalysis, and the whole reason I like to look at aYPA is that it’s not that fancy. It’s easy to calculate and easy to understand, and I like that. I also think that aYPA is realistic, since it directly correlates to winning.

If you’re going to subtract yards for INTs, you should subtract the number of yards away from your goal line that the play ends. So a pick-six is worth negative 100 yards. But a pick that merely cost you points but didn’t hand free points to the enemy, such as, say, a pick on their 10 that was returned five yards, is only worth -15. Because it truly is NOT nearly as critical a dagger stroke.

Clever idea. I won’t have time until the offseason (when I hope to calculate aYPA for each team), but I’ll try to remember to take a look at this technique and compare it to mine to see which is a better predictor of winning. Yours is a little harder to calculate (I’d have to go to the play-by-play stuff on NFL.com, which takes a bit more time), but not impossibly so. Thanks for the suggestion!

by Stuart Carlton on Oct 17, 2010 6:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

SCIENCE!

Snap, place, kick! And it's good! It's good! It's goo-hoo-hood! Pigs have flown! Hell Has frozen over! The Saints are going to the Superbowl!

by Joseph William Stern on Oct 16, 2010 11:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh...you went there!

On top of that their free safety, Sabby Piscatelli, is terrible. I mean really terrible. How bad? Well, let’s just say Josh Bullocks thinks he stinks.

Snap!!

"It's about time that something good like this happened." - Drew Brees

by SaintsFanMD on Oct 17, 2010 5:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Nice write-up!

I’m not sure if anyone recommended any names, but since you want to focus on statistics, how about…

Saints Statpoint, Week (number)

I came up with it by combining the terms “Statistical Viewpoint,” and of course the number would be whatever week number in the season for that upcoming game. What do ya think?

"It's about time that something good like this happened." - Drew Brees

by SaintsFanMD on Oct 17, 2010 6:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for the suggestion, that’s pretty clever. I’ll add it to the list and will decide sometime soon.

Thanks for reading!

by Stuart Carlton on Oct 17, 2010 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

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