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4th and Geaux: Saints vs. Steelers Edition

The Browns were able to get near-constant pressure on Drew Brees, leading to a career-high 4 interceptions.

Well, wasn't last week a blast? In last week's column, I pointed out a bunch of different reasons why the Saints, even if they played poorly, should have beaten the Browns handily. They played the game and...not so much. What does that mean for this week?

It's time for 4th and Geaux.

Star-divide

Last week in review

That was a mystifying loss. The Browns' offense was just as mediocre as I thought it'd be: Colt McCoy and Peyton Hillis combined for 4.72 aYPA (yard per attempt adjusted for sacks and interceptions...see the archives for more info), which is middle-of-the-pack. That's a great job by our defense once you consider our injury-riddled secondary.

When the Saints' defense holds the other team to 4.73 aYPA, the Saints should win by two touchdowns. They didn't this week...why not?

The primary reason is the Saints' offense was, frankly, terrible. Or, perhaps, the Browns defense was, frankly, amazing. Either way, it was disastrous for the Saints.

Brew Drees threw 4 interceptions, although at least 3 of the picks were team efforts. Let's look at each of them:

First interception

On Brees' first interception, the Browns lined up in a "muddle" defense, with a bunch of guys standing around and only 1 down lineman. On this play, the Browns rushed 3 guys, but still managed to get pressure on Brees. Drew threw the ball one way while Ladell Betts cut the other way. The result: an interception for the Asian Assasin. It's hard to assign blame to Brees or Betts without knowing the exact play call. But there's no way the QB should have been under pressure when they have 6 blockers assigned to block 3 guys.

Second interception

The second interception was David Bowens' first touchdown of the day. On that play, Matt Roth blew up Jon Stinchcomb and got a hand on Brees, who should've just taken the sack. Unfortunately, Drew tried to get rid of the ball, and it bounced off Jahri Evans and into Bowens' hands. So, blame that interception on bad line play, a bad decision by Brees, and bad luck.

Third interception

Drew's third interception came at the end of the 1st half, and it appeared to be a poor pass to Meachem. Looking at the replay, Drew should've led Meachem to the right, away from the defender, but he just misfired on the pass. That interception was likely Brees' fault.

Fourth interception

Drew's final interception was David Bowens' second touchdown. Bowens didn't rush on the play, but hung out around the line of scrimmage. Carl Nicks appears to have been assigned to block Bowens, but since Bowens didn't rush, Nicks basically stood in front of him and looked pretty. Had Nicks engaged Bowens in a block, Bowens wouldn't have been able to make the interception. As it was, Drew apparently didn't see Bowens (perhaps because of Drew's height issues?) and the end result was interception #4, and game over.

So, four interceptions, one of which was almost definitely Drew's fault, the rest of which were team efforts. All said, a terrible job by the offense. The stats back it up: the Saints' aYPA was 1.63, by far their worst of the year.

Chalk that loss up to poor line play, poor offense in general, and a great job of coaching by the Browns' staff. Their defense had us confused all day, and their trickery on offense and special teams gave them the early lead they needed to finish us off. Well done by them, and not-so-well done by the Saints.

What does this mean going forward? Right now, the Saints remain a mediocre team. We've had one of the two or three easiest schedules in the NFL so far, and have put together exactly one solid game. We've got an easy schedule ahead, which is good, and are getting healthy soon on offense, which is also good.

Given the sorry state of the NFC, the Saints are still in great position to earn a playoff berth, even if it's just a wildcard. Mediocre might just be good enough.

I've got a box full of letters...

More mailbag fun this week. Have a question for the mailbag? Leave it in the comments or send it via email to stuart (at) whodatreport (dot) com.

Does your adjusted YPA stat have a ‘tipping point’ number? Meaning, where is the line where you can look at a QB and say, "okay, he’s good" versus "wow, dog crap!" -Hakimdropstheball, via the comments.

My rough rule of thumb is this: Over 6 is great (top 5 in 2009), over 5 is good (top 12 in 2009), under 4 is mediocre-to-poor (bottom 13 in 2009), under 3 is dog crap (bottom 7 in 2009).

Two points that I’ll make, though: First, it’s really a measure of offensive performance, not just QB. Although the QB makes the pass, the whole team is responsible for completing it.

Second: I grade on a curve when I make comments. For example, if we average 5.1 YPA in a game, I’ll probably call it mediocre, because our offense needs to be better than that.

I'll try to spend some time verifying these rules of thumb over the offseason, but I think they work for now.

With a disgruntled A.J. Hawk in Green Bay, do you see the Saints making a move for him? After all, Scott Shanle has shown a lot of signs that his play is dropping out of the mediocre level to below mediocre. I believe having a talent at weakside like hawk could beef up our linebackers towards being an elite unit with Vilma already running the middle and Danny Clark looking sharp as of late. -YungSal, New Orleans

This is really a two-part question. First: would the Saints want A.J. Hawk, and second, could they get him?

I think you're right, Hawk would fit in pretty well with the Saints' defense. He's a bit of a liability in pass coverage but pretty strong against the run, an area where the Saints defense is generally weak. While Hawk isn't the superstar that many thought he'd be, he's a good player who might thrive in the right system, and would be a nice addition for the right price.

But there's the rub: what's the price? Hawk is due $10 million next year, and I don't think the Saints want to tie that much money up in a non-Pro Bowl linebacker. Even if there isn't a salary cap next year (and who knows whether there will be), the Saints almost definitely have an internal salary cap, and they're going to be spending a lot of money extending the contracts of some of their current stars. I'd be surprised if $10 million for A.J. Hawk fits into those plans. So, I'd say an offseason trade for Hawk is unlikely, because the Saints wouldn't want to eat his contract.

That means that for us to get Hawk, Green Bay would have to cut him and we'd pick him up as a free agent. While that's a possibility, there's a long time between now and the offseason, and who knows what could happen? With Nick Barnett on injured reserve, Hawk will get a lot more playing time, so we should have a better idea of how much he's worth by the end of the season.

Sizing up the opponent

The Pittsburgh Steelers are one of the top two or three teams in the NFL. The Saints have been mediocre, and will likely struggle against the Steelers. However, there are glimmers of hope for the Saints, although most of those glimmers fall back on the same point: if the Saints could play like they played last year, they'd be a lot better. Let's look at the game in a little more detail:

Saints Statpoints

Saints offense vs. Steelers defense

Pittsburgh's defense will likely make things difficult for the Saints' struggling offense. Pittsburgh's allowed an average of 3.94 aYPA this year, which is solid. Most of the advanced stats folks (like those at Football Outsiders, Cold Hard Football Facts, and so on) have the Steelers ranked as one of the top couple in the league. They excel at both pass defense and run defense, which makes them a tough nut to crack.

There are some weaknesses, though. According to Football Outsiders' defensive stats, the Steelers are great against #1 wide receivers and #2 wide receivers, but are 25th in the league at defending against 3rd, 4th, and 5th receivers. They're 23rd in the league defending against tight ends, and 25th in the league defending against passes to running backs. While those stats are imperfect, they do suggest that the Steelers might be vulnerable to a quarterback who is adept at spreading the ball around to the open man. Fortunately, we have one of the best ball-spreading (no Favre jokes) QBs in NFL history. So, if anyone can exploit the Steelers' defense, it's us.

And we need to exploit them early and often. The Steelers are one of the best teams in the league at locking down an opponent and causing them to play catch-up: Steelers' opponents have only run 27 plays while ahead this year.

Overall, while the Steelers have an excellent defense, the Saints have an offense that may be able to take advantage of their defense. Drew Brees needs to spread the ball around, but to do that, he needs to have time to throw. I'm not convinced that our offensive line will provide him with that.

Saints defense vs. Steelers offense

This matchup is a bit hard to analyze because of Ben Roethlisberger's suspension. The Steelers' offense was pretty bad for their first 4 games (3.24 aYPA), and has been really good over their last two (9.67 aYPA). It's always nice to get a top 10 QB back, eh?

So, instead of going into a bunch of in-depth stats about the Steelers' offense that may not be valid, I'll take this section to point out that the Saints' defense has continued to be middle-of-the-pack this year. There are at least two ways to interpret this, you can pick your favorite:

  1. The Saints' defense has done an excellent job of staying afloat despite several serious injuries to key players and an offense that hasn't been holding up it's end of the bargain.
  2. The Saints' defense hasn't been generating the turnovers they need and have only been mediocre, despite playing a who's who inept quarterbacks.
  3. While there's truth to both interpretations, I lean toward the first, though I'd love it if our defense could take advantage of at least one rookie quarterback. Just one!

    Beer of the week: Because sober analysis requires good beer

    This week's beer comes from Weyerbacher, a small brewery about an hour outside of Pittsburgh.

    The beer is Weyerbacher's Harvest Ale, another IPA that's made with fresh hops from the brewer's farm. I was really excited to try this beer because it's sold in 4-packs. Any time a beer comes in 4-packs, I figure it has to be good, right?

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    (I have no idea why that picture's sideways. Hopefully you're using a laptop and can just flip your computer. Or use your imagination. Or drink a few beers yourself and end up sideways.)

    Not necessarily. I was really unimpressed by the Harvest Ale, despite my hopes. The beer looks good, pours with a nice color and head, but the taste was just kind of off. I didn't notice much in the way of hops (despite their supposed freshness), it was a bit too malty and, as they say, "off balance". I'm not saying it's a bad beer, just not one that I'd buy again.

    I'd rate this beer a Vaughn Dunbar: something you're excited to get at first, and you think will make things a lot better, but then ends up being kind of disappointing. Sometimes you've got to find a few Vaughn Dunbars in order to land a true star, so it's definitely worth the effort.

    That was way too long...could you just give me a one-paragraph summary and prediction?

    The Saints stunk last week, although the interceptions were probably team efforts and not just Brew Drees' fault. The Steelers are one of the best teams in the NFL, especially now that they have Ben Roethlisberger back, and will probably be a tough opponent for the Saints, who are injured and playing mediocre football right now. However, there are two glimmers of hope: first, the Steelers might be vulnerable against a quarterback who can spread the ball around like Drew Brees can, and second, the NFC is wide open, like I discussed on this week's Who Dat Report. So, while I think the Steelers will probably win the game, the Saints season is far from over, even if things look a bit bleak right now.

    Thanks for reading, and go Saints!

    You can listen to Stuart each week on The Who Dat Report, or follow him on Twitter.

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“The Browns were able to get near-constant pressure on Drew Brees, leading to a career-high 4 interceptions.”

For the record, Brees threw 4 INTs against the Titans in 2007. This crapola performance merely tied his career-high.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Oct 29, 2010 8:33 AM CDT reply actions  

“I’d rate this beer a Vaughn Dunbar: something you’re excited to get at first, and you think will make things a lot better, but then ends up being kind of disappointing.”

So, kind of like Bush beer without the national hype?

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Oct 29, 2010 9:02 AM CDT reply actions  

a "Beer of the Week"

should be something good, no?

"Well, he's in there. He's trying to make things happen. I mean, he's a gunslinger, ya know." "What the hell are you talking about?" "Uhhh, ... I don't know."

by CajunCavern on Oct 29, 2010 9:42 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree

But I like to review something from our opponents’ city (or region). So, I’m stuck with whatever the beer store has :)

by Stuart Carlton on Nov 3, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like your beer of the week idea

I would like to share of couple of Canadian microbrews with you. They may be difficult to find but they are two of my favourite beers.

The first is Fort Garry Dark. It is brewed in Winnipeg.

http://www.fortgarry.com/

The second is Propeller Extra Special Bitter. It is brewed in Halifax.

http://www.drinkpropeller.ca/beers/7-Bitter

If you get a chance you may want to give them a try.

"I don't mind being a symbol but I don't want to become a monument. There are monuments all over the Parliament Buildings and I've seen what the pigeons do to them."

"Canada is like an old cow. The West feeds it. Ontario and Quebec milk it. And you can well imagine what it's doing in the Maritimes."

Tommy Douglas

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Oct 29, 2010 9:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks a lot

I’ll give them a try when I can find them. If we play the Bills in Toronto some year, maybe I can put them in the column…

by Stuart Carlton on Nov 3, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Once again

Great job.

"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44

by jeremysherwin on Oct 29, 2010 10:18 AM CDT reply actions  

You sure about that....?
We’ve got an easy schedule ahead

Hmmm… I wish you are right….

Anyone wants to join me on the empty bandwagon....

by bondcrash on Oct 29, 2010 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Based on the Arizona and Cleveland games, the easier it is, the worse it could be.

by Drew-Dat on Oct 29, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I believe the saints will pull this one out, based on the idea that they probably shouldn’t. I think the saints have quickly returned to their pre-’09 form, and, as such, will play an inspired game against the playoff-bound Steelers, only to fail the following week against the miserable Panthers. Much like the Haslett-run Saints, the only thing you can rely on with this team will be that they will not do what it seems like they should.

"The Colts were punching at it and grabbing for it, trying to get it out. But I didn't care if they broke all my fingers. There was absolutely no way in the world I was going to let go of that ball. That was our ball.''-Chris Reis

by FuSoYa on Oct 29, 2010 11:24 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I believe the saints will pull this one out, based on the idea that they probably shouldn’t.

Ditto!

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by Dave Cariello on Oct 29, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you – we’ll win b/c we shouldn’t and no one will think we can

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Oct 29, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

GOOD NEWS EVERYONE!

It’s like 2009 never happened.

Week 8 matchup: Steelers
Week 8 motto: Stop making me post facepalm pictures!!!

by Jon Banks on Oct 29, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

In regards to the interception you said was clearly Brees' fault.

Brees talked about that interception. Meachem was running an option route. Which meant that depending on the coverage, Meachem was either supposed to hook the pass or keep running. Brees threw the ball based on the coverage that said Meachem was supposed to stop and hook it. Meachem kept running. Sometimes as a QB you have to trust your Wideout to make the right call. At worst I’d assign 50/50 glame on that int between the two for wrongful communication.

by jeff.l.b on Oct 29, 2010 11:28 AM CDT reply actions  

At least 3 were Drew's fault

I completely disagree with the theory that three of the interceptions were team efforts. Look, on the second and fourth interception, it might be true that the line could have blocked a little better. But it’s insane to think that an NFL QB isn’t going to get hurried a few times during the course of the game. It’s Drew’s responsibility to either SAFELY throw the ball away or take a sack when there’s too much pressure. If he tries to do too much, or inexplicably throws the ball directly to a defensive lineman, I don’t see how that is the team’s fault. It’s not like Drew got hit as he threw on these INTs. He might have been hurried, but he was fully in control of where he was throwing the ball; he just threw it to the wrong guy. And on the second and fourth INTs, there wasn’t a receiver in the area. Those are on Drew.

I’ll buy that the first INT might have been Betts’ fault for running the wrong route, but of course there’s no way to know that unless Betts or Brees say so.

Just because we all love Brees doesn’t mean we have to be apologists.

by thekourt on Oct 29, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd be willing to give Brees the benefit of the doubt on that one!

I tend to think that when Brees and Betts weren’t on the same page, it’s more likely due to Betts making the wrong cut. Brees released the ball before Betts made his move, and I’d be willing to bet that Brees knew quite well where Betts should have been going.

"It's about time that something good like this happened." - Drew Brees

by SaintsFanMD on Oct 30, 2010 5:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not saying Drew wasn't to blame

Just saying that there was plenty of blame to go around :)

by Stuart Carlton on Nov 3, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree, but the pass was pretty bad. I don’t think Meachem could’ve caught up to it regardless, but the replays I found didn’t show the entire route.

by Stuart Carlton on Nov 3, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec`d You Stuart

Enjoy your weekly offerings. I`m not sure if you dumb the article
down for fools like me, or I just like beer reviews. Whatever… keep it up

Aints no more

by saint_chew on Oct 29, 2010 11:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks

No, I’m plenty dumb enough on my own; I don’t need to dumb down anything else!

by Stuart Carlton on Nov 3, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree with one statement.

I don’t think Vaughn Dunbar was a disappointment. Each one of the dome patrol was supplemented by the other 3. And we didn’t have a losing season the 6 years they were together. Heck we won our first division title with them guys.(1991 NFC West Division champs)

by JAM13 on Oct 29, 2010 12:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I think you’re confusing Vaughn Dunbar for Vaughan Johnson, peppy.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Oct 29, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he compared a beer to Vaughan Johnson…that’ would be one stout hitting beer.

by jeff.l.b on Oct 29, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

My Vaughan Johnson beer would spy on your Steve Young beer throughout happy hour.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Oct 29, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

CP

I think your right. There is only a few saints players I would call a complete bust. I mean let’s be honest, Jim Moral was loyal to “curly carl” to a fault. which usually meant or offense was horrible. Even though we has Dalton Hilliard, Eric Martin, Quinn Early, you get the picture.

by JAM13 on Oct 29, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

at the “curly carl” reference! Now why’d you have to go and bring him up? I know it’s Halloween and our offense has been scary, but that’s taking things too far! You’ll give the kiddies nightmares…

"It's about time that something good like this happened." - Drew Brees

by SaintsFanMD on Oct 30, 2010 5:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

My thoughts on the O-Line

A couple things come to mind as I ponder this…(I was a psych major in college, so behavior analysis and human behavior fascinate me…)

1) Bystander effect/Genovese syndrome – when in a group, no one takes action, thinking someone else will do it.

2) The milling about “Times-Square Defense” with only few actually rushing the QB completely caught them off-guard, so they had no idea what their individual responsibilities were. When they all line up “a hat on a hat” and rush the QB, it’s much easier to just block the guy in front of you.

Either way, our coaching staff (Aaron Kromer, I’m looking at you) you HAVE to coach them up and get them prepared to handle this, because I think we might see this formation again…

It's gonna be a great year.

by Hans Petersen on Oct 29, 2010 6:19 PM CDT reply actions  

ps

nice writing Stuart. Enjoyed it very much.

Glad you didn’t highlight Iron City or Iron City Light beers. They are not good beers, but cheap, and I had a few of them in college. A friend of mine spent the summer at Carnegie Mellon one year and we drank it a bit the year after that…

Wait a minute…brewed in LaCrosse???? Whaaaat? I thought it was a Pittsburgh beer!!!

It's gonna be a great year.

by Hans Petersen on Oct 29, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

We did better against the Times Square Defense this week

Great point about the psychological aspects. You’d hope that pro football players would be better, but they’re still human beings, eh?

by Stuart Carlton on Nov 3, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling they will win

They play down to opponents so while it proved they are playing like donkey s**t essentially last week’s performance means nothing. Every time we (almost) guarantee a win or loss they come out on the other side.

For the first time in awhile I really have no idea what to expect. I am just waiting for the game. In a way it’s kind of a nice feeling but then again I would rather solidly believe they can pull it off beyond knowing they are capable of doing so.

Breesus Is My Homeboy

by SarahT on Oct 29, 2010 10:26 PM CDT reply actions  

funny

On NFL network pregame last week, the hosts were making thier usual game picks. When they got to the saints-browns game, Rich asked “Does anyone here think the Browns have any chance of going into the dome and beating the Saints? (crickets) anyone? anyone? Bueller? I didn’t think so. Next game please.”
When I realized it was unanimous that the media couldn’t even imagine a scenario of the Saints losing, we were in big trouble. We have a storied history of making bad teams look good. I had hoped that we had finally overcome that charitable characteristic, but I was wrong and should have seen it coming.

In Breesus' name we play

by Breesus Christ Superstar on Oct 30, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh and Stella is where it's at if you have to drink beer

Give me a cape cod with Stoli vodka and I am one happy girl.

Breesus Is My Homeboy

by SarahT on Oct 29, 2010 10:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Mike Wallace

Can he be contained or will his speed be too much for the Saint`s coverage?

by ziggy19 on Oct 31, 2010 9:45 AM CDT reply actions  

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