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New Orleans Saints' Offensive Player Grades vs. Panthers

A win is a win, sure, but the Saints are far from playoff form right now. They were sloppy on offense, and managed only 16 points despite controlling the football, clock, game and line of scrimmage for the entirety of 60 minutes. Based on the way the game went, you could tell the Saints were a far superior team, yet they were maybe 5 yards away from a John Kasay attempt that could have handed them a loss. Still, the Saints found a way to win and they're 3-1. We'll take it. One thing we can all be happy about is the fact that the Saints made big strides in the running game, showing more balance on offense. Make the jump for the grades!

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Drew Brees: B+ (3.17) His rating was only 90.2 this time around, but I thought this was one of his better games of the season. It proves that rating number is just stupid. Brees was accurate, careful with the ball, directing traffic masterfully, and moving the ball well on the Panthers. My one gripe: what happened to the Saints making throws downfield? Is it just me, or is Brees constantly settling for the throw underneath? The Saints have become a possession passing team almost entirely through 4 games, and the big plays just aren't happening. It seemed like the few times Brees did go downfield -- bomb to Meachem that received a pass interference call, pass to Colston broken up, pass to Thomas broken up -- the Saints just weren't connecting. Consider this: longest reception for Colston - 15, Henderson - 12, Moore - 11, Meachem - 9. What's wrong with that picture? We need our perimeter to come up with bigger plays than that, and part of that is on Brees putting them in a position to do so.  Still, the Saints did a great job of moving the chains and that was in large part thanks to Brees. He was 33 for 48 (at least 6 of those were drops) for 275 yards, 1 touchdown and no turnovers. 

Chris Ivory: C+ (1.83) He ran with great authority and did a very effective job on the ground. In fact, he was deserving of a B, or even a B+, if he could just hold on to the football. The bottom line, though, is the guy has now fumbled twice in just 19 carries this season. Ball security is clearly an issue for Ivory, and he's going to have to fix that problem if he wants to continue to see the field. Matter of fact, if he develops a reputation for being a guy that puts it on the turf, he won't last in the league. He looked a little gimpy late in the game, so he's clearly still not 100% from that preseason injury, but give him a lot of credit for stepping in when he was needed and playing pretty well. He ran hard and looked fast. He finished with 67 yards on 12 carries (5.6 yard average).

Ladell Betts: B+ (3.33) Moose Johnston said it best in the broadcast, Betts does everything pretty well. Other than a couple plays that got blown up badly in the backfield, Betts ran the ball very effectively much like Ivory. What he did that Ivory didn't provide, was a reliable security valve in the passing game, and a terrific ability in pass protection. Betts reminded me of Deuce McAllister the way he pass blocked. Seriously, that guy is great to have back there on passing plays, because he gives Brees another deadly second to throw, and he has very soft hands. Betts may not be the guy that will run for 1500 yards in a season, but he's the type of guy that every team needs. He's different than Aaron Stecker in the style on player he is, but he is similar in that he's a terrific role player that plays to his strengths and executes his assignment well even if the play is running away from him. Sometimes it's the little things. Betts had 47 yards on 13 carries, and 23 yards on 4 receptions. I trust him much more than Chris Ivory right now, even if Ivory has more potential. 

Heath Evans: B+ (2.83) It didn't matter who was back there, he was leading the way with some monster lead blocks. He also had a reception for 4 yards that was completely sniffed out. I'm not sure how the Panthers knew the ball was coming to Heath Evans, but the Saints may want to look into their personnel packages and see if that play was tipped off somehow. Evans did miss a block on an end around to Devery Henderson, but other than that he was on point pretty much all game opening holes for the Saints' backs. The team needed it, too, with Pierre Thomas inactive.

Marques Colston: C+ (2.75) Despite 8 balls coming his way, Colston had just 4 catches for 36 yards. He had a chance a a deep seam route that he momentarily got his hands on, but the Panthers' defender broke the pass up. He did make one terrific catch off  his shoetop, but overall it was a quiet game for Colston.

Devery Henderson: B- (2.50) Once again Devery had a bad drop. He's starting to show shaky hands at times, a problem he seemed to correct last season. Still, Henderson provided a constant target underneath that moved the chains. He finished with  6 catches for 59 yards, while targeted 9 times. My question is, why is Henderson constant being thrown to underneath? He's not known for being a reliable chain moving target that makes the tough grabs over the middle. He's a deep threat. The Saints continue to ask him to do things that don't play to his strengths. It's pretty head scratching. Considering the fact that he's having to do something he's not accustom to, I have to commend him for coming out pretty good. He had some key 3rd down conversion receptions.

Lance Moore: C+ (2.58) His fumble inside the Panthers' 2 plain and simple took 7 points off the board for the Saints. That turnover was inexcusable, and gave the Panthers life. You always have to hold on to the football, but turnovers inside the red zone are back breakers. Honestly, he hangs onto that football and the game could have been a blowout. That play gave the Panthers' defense a lot of confidence. He finished with 5 catches for just 37 yards, with a number of short throws, but he was targeted almost too often. He did make up for the fumble by turning a 3rd and goal bubble screen from the 4 yard line into a touchdown. He was quick, slippery, and weaved his way through traffic on that play to find the goal line.  I also saw Lance Moore make a nice block on a running play, crushing a would be tackler to the turf.

Robert Meachem: C+ (1.89) Meachem, once again, didn't accomplish much in terms of statistics. He's clearly dropped behind Lance Moore in the rotation and is #4 in the pecking order at receiver. At times last year, he seemed to be the best receiver on the team. He hasn't even been close to that this year. I hope he keeps his head in the game, though, because as much as the Saints spread the ball around, his time will come to have a big game. There's a lot of season left. Meachem finished with 2 catches for 16 yards, one of which was a big third down conversion. Still, like Henderson, what's with his completions being these little ins and outs? His strength, like Devery, is stretching the field. His biggest contribution was the pass interference call he drew inside the Panthers' 5 deep down the field that led to the Saints' only touchdown of the day. He gets a big grade boost for that play.

Jeremy Shockey: B (3.00) It was a weird game for Shockey. He had two very bad drops with balls that hit him right in his bread basket. Then, he'd make a sick catch that very few people could make. Brees didn't let those drops effect his confidence in Shockey, and that was a good thing, because Shockey rewarded him on numerous throws. Shockey was a major contributor in the passing game, finishing with 6 catches for 58 yards. He was limping around a little bit, which you all probably know by now really annoys me. The guy is never not limping. Where he earned his grade, though, was blocking. Based on his receptions and drops, he was probably at a C+ or a B-, but I gave him a B because he sealed the edge incredibly well on running plays, and showed amazing toughness at the second level. Shockey was a big part in helping the running game succeed.

David Thomas: B+ (2.67) Thomas blocked well and he was another reliable target that moved the sticks. He finished with 5 catches for 42 yards, including a few grabs on the Saints' final drive that led to John Carney's game winning field goal. Thomas is always going to get opportunities based on the number of weapons the Saints have on offense, so it's nice to see him making the most of them in this game.

Jermon Bushrod: B+ (2.67) Bushrod's blocking overall was excellent, although he did get some help from tight ends and running backs on chips and double teams. His pass blocking was shaky at times, but Brees was able to step up in the pocket as he does so well to avoid pressure. Still, he kept his quarterback clean for the most part and he was physical in the run game.

Carl Nicks: A- (3.00) Nicks mauled people all game long. He was unmovable on passing plays, and he demolished the Panthers' interior line. He played a clean game and was very solid.

Jonathan Goodwin: A- (2.67) Like Nicks, Goodwin got great push on the interior and he was very steady throughout the game. The Saints rushed for 121 yards and an average of 4.2, and gave up just 2 sacks in 50 pass attempts. Goodwin, showed his usual hustle getting his hat on linebackers as well when he was freed up to do so.

Jahri Evans: B- (2.67) Late in the game with the Saints close to scoring, he completely whiffed on a block that allowed Ladell Betts to get blown up in the backfield right as he took the handoff. That play would end up forcing the Saints to settle for 3, which gave the Panthers a chance to win the game with a field goal. He also had a holding penalty that would end up forcing the Saints to punt. On a sack by Charles Johnson, he was responsible for blocking him, though Brees was partly to blame for not getting rid of the ball quick enough. Based on those 3 plays, which were all admittedly bad, you'd think he deserves a worse grade... but the truth is besides those plays, he was outstanding. On Lance Moore's touchdown, he blew up a Panthers' defender at the goal line to give Moore just enough room to score. On a couple delay hand offs to Ladell Betts, he muscled the interior to create a huge path for Betts to gain significant yards. He was very good on passing plays and running plays. The reality is, though, that while Nicks and Goodwin were both solid throughout, Evans navigated between spectacular and mediocre. Ultimately, spectacular mixed with bad earns you a worse grade than continually solid.

Jon Stinchcomb: B- (2.67) Like big Jahri, Stinchcomb made more big plays that stood out, both good and bad. On a rush around the edge by Chris Ivory, Stinchcomb opened up a huge lane for Ivory that allowed him to bulldoze for a first down on the right edge on a sweep for a 12 yard gain. Shockey sealed the edge perfectly, by the way, on that same play. Stinchcomb was beaten very badly by James Anderson on a blitz on the last play of the first half, where Anderson got a sack and forced fumble. Stinchcomb made some big time blocks, but looked a bit shaky at other times.

Zach Strief: C- (2.00) Strief looked a little slow and wasn't as lights out as usual blocking off the edge. The guy just isn't a tight end, so while it's nice to have his size in the game from time to time, maybe the Saints should just go ahead and give him some snaps at tackle? I noticed the Panthers did a good job of getting around Strief when he was in the game. His biggest mishap was that he had a clear and easy chance at recovering Chris Ivory's fumble. He landed on the ball and it squirted out of his grasp. It's not in his job description to come up with that loose ball, he's a big lineman blocker and not a ball handler, but he really could have helped out his team by grabbing that ball.

My Offensive Player of the Game: Drew Brees

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I cringe seeing Ivory out on the field

He doesn’t have that homerun type ability imo. He runs hard but isn’t a “big back” to me. I’d rather see Betts in on the majority of the plays. Like you and the commentator for the game said, he does everything well. He also doesn’t turn the ball over.

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by skinnykinney on Oct 4, 2010 2:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Ditto. Ivory seems like a hit-or-miss overachiever. We have enough of those on this team. I’d rather go with a guy with the skins on the wall. Or the ’Skins, as the case may be.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Oct 5, 2010 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

We expect Brees to be great

But I had no idea Betts would have the game he did.

by cscmember on Oct 4, 2010 2:18 PM CDT reply actions  

What happened to the downfield throws?

I’ve seen some analysis of late saying that opposing teams are focusing on taking that away from us and forcing Brees to throw the underneath stuff. He looked downfield lots of times yesterday, but then settled on checking down with shorter passes. His options downfield must have been covered well. It’s hard to see that when watching it on TV.

I guess this is a product of winning the SB. Teams have really put Brees and Payton under the microscope to find strategies for limiting our offensive production. Through 4 games, it appears to be working well. Let’s hope they devise ways to counter it in the future. With Reggie and Pierre both out, Carolina could afford to put more coverage people in the backfield because they didn’t respect our run game as much with only Betts and Ivory back there. That’s probably why we ran the ball more yesterday. It was because the Panthers were committing most everything to stopping the downfield throws.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Oct 4, 2010 2:31 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I was just coming to say that

Watch some of the plays Brees threw downfield, all the WR were in coverage, noone was open. Opponents are consistently going into a zone defense that seems to mask it from Brees so that he doesn’t throw a home run in the seams. Payton needs to get his S*** together because after 4 games of the same thing, I am more willing to blame the coaches then I was after game 1 or 2.

Week 4 matchup: Panthers
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by Jon Banks on Oct 4, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

The dink and dunk offense we're getting used to seeing

has similar results to the Bill Walsh West coast offense. Take what they give you and move the chains. It’s what Drew did in the final SB TD drive, but that was nearly all passes.

"I don't think we're the team with the target on our backs. They're not gunning for us, we're gunning for them. We're the ones with the scope." - Saints defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis

by BRSaintsFan on Oct 4, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

right on

For you old school Saints fans, teams are doing to us what our great Saints defenses used to do to Bill Walsh’s 49er teams – take away the long ball, force them to make long drives and hope that they’d screw up or someone on our D would make a play. We were very effective at holding them down, not quite so effective at winning those games (at least most of the time). If we play well on offense (which hasn’t really happened yet, except for a few spurts) there are few defenses capable of stopping us over the long term.

"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010

by SaintBevo on Oct 4, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed. If they’re moving the sticks and finishing off drives with points, they’re better off with the short game. It’s just that much less game time the opposing team’s offense has left to work with.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Oct 5, 2010 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you were too hard on Lance

He took a vicious hit at the goal line. If the was able to see that guy coming, he could have avoided him, but he was blindsided. He’s not a fumbler.

And I was wondering why Drew didn’t do more underneath stuff to Lance later in the game, but I guess he was covered and that’s why he went to Shockey and Thomas. Anyway, Brees hasn’t been that accurate on his long passes this year, so maybe it’s just as well he didn’t try any this Sunday.

by SaintsB on Oct 4, 2010 2:34 PM CDT reply actions  

go look at the replay again

it seemed to me that lance was holding the ball away from his body when he was hit, as if he thought he was going to waltz into the endzone after breaking away from the first guy. maybe he didnt see the second guy coming, but there is never any excuse for a fumble.

"As a Saint fan I watch ‘Gone with the Wind’ just to watch Atlanta burn" -Ralph Malbrough

by DrewBreesManCrush on Oct 4, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

and what was up with that smiling crap after he had a 3rd down pass slapped away in front of him?

I appreciate Lance’s enthusiasm, but he reminds me (and probably many other Saints fans) of Aaron Brooks when he does that. There should never be anyone other than the other team smiling when the punt team has to come onto the field. On the fumble, he just tried to force the TD when a better decision might have been to just take the 1st and goal at the one yard line. I had him on one of my fantasy teams, so I can’t blame him too much for going for it.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Oct 4, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

it looked to me as though he was reaching for the endzone and didn’t see the guy coming. And after looking at it he could have recovered the fumble had his helmet not been knocked off. He had one hand on it but looked like he was worried he was gonna get hit in the head because his helmet was clearly off. Plus I though that the play is blown dead after a player loses their helmet?

Get ready to FEEL DAT BREES!!!

by born in areacode 318 on Oct 4, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's true

Why wasn’t it blown dead? Maybe the refs couldn’t see that he lost his helmet. It all happened pretty fast and there were bodies everywhere that might have obstructed their view. Whatever, we won the game, we’re now 3-1. Time to move onto the Cards.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Oct 4, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

It’s blown dead if the ballcarrier loses his helmet. Unfortunately, he was no longer in that category.

by FriarBob on Oct 4, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly. They’re not going to blow a play dead, if the ball is on the turf.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Oct 5, 2010 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

i think he was smiling sarcasticaly that the ref was allowing that defender to hold him so blatantly on that play

amd all afternoon.

"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
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by Philinwood on Oct 4, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I said the same thing yesterday when Lance was smiling.

It was like the Ghost of Aaron Brooks entering his body.

Rule no. 1 . Never smile when you drop a pass or fumble.

by Jricky70 on Oct 4, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe Phil has a point

Maybe Lance thought he was held and was smiling at the refs for not throwing the flag. If that was the case, it’s less of an issue. It just looked like a great play by the defender to me. I don’t recall seeing a hold.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Oct 4, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't remember the smile

but I do remember ttwo blatant holds on him they missed. One though, the ref was behind him and couldn’t see it.

"I don't think we're the team with the target on our backs. They're not gunning for us, we're gunning for them. We're the ones with the scope." - Saints defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis

by BRSaintsFan on Oct 4, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rule no. 2. Never assume a carefree person doesn’t care.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Oct 5, 2010 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

“There should never be anyone other than the other team smiling when the punt team has to come onto the field.”

I disagree. Different people have different ways of dealing with adversity. I’d much rather a player who can nonchalantly laugh off an isolated mistake, than one who dwells upon them, begins to second guess his own abilities, gets so caught up in thinking about it, that he’s not himself, thereby increasing the odds that he’ll make another error, etc. Laissez-faire is perfectly acceptable, as long as you’re learning from the experience.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Oct 5, 2010 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Aaron Brooks Lover.

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Anne Maria and her daughters, they like misty water.

by stujo4 on Oct 5, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't vote for Dave Thomas, but

I have to give him some kudos. The giys just comes up with the big plays when you need them but he’s almost unnoticeable mostly, getting the job done in the background. I don’t know how he stays under the radar so well, but he is a blessing to have on this team. I don’t recall a fumble or a penalty by him.

"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking

by Philinwood on Oct 4, 2010 3:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed once again. If $hockey was Sho¢key, Thomas would be our starting tight end.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Oct 5, 2010 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought that broken up pass...

…to Colston didn’t make a whole lot of sense. I was screaming for 10 minutes after that play. They played the possession game most of the time, but then, for whatever reason, when they only need 5 yards for a fairly critical first down they send all the wideouts on what looked like a streak pattern. What’s up with that?

Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it. ~Heywood Hale Brown

by jack_casse on Oct 4, 2010 3:38 PM CDT reply actions  

If your talking about the long ball to Colston.

 He was covered over and under and that pass was pin point . Brees has connected to Colston on that same pass I don’t know how many times. Colston usually comes down with it. THAT looked like the 09 Saints. If he makes it he is a hero. I found it encouraging.

by saints-fan-in-miss on Oct 4, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes...

but they could have gotten those 5 yards doing what they were doing all game. Brees didn’t have throw it 20 yards to get the first….just 5. I just didn’t understand the play calling, but then again I’m not an NFL head coach. Go with what was working, I say.

Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it. ~Heywood Hale Brown

by jack_casse on Oct 4, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd it

I said the exact same thing at the time. There’s absolutely no reason to go Daryle Lamonica when your Steve DeBerg game is clicking on all cylinders.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Oct 5, 2010 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Said the same on the game thread,

when it happened, we just needed 5.5 yds, a 20 yd seam route was DBL-covered, The Shockey/Thomas slant had been good to go all season.

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Oct 5, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our offense will be fine

Teams are playing a deep zone to force us to nickel and dime them. Right now, we aren’t being consistent enough or efficient enough to do so regularly. The running game looked better and that will help bring safeties up as well. If we don’t have those 2 fumbles early, we’re up 10-17 points and it is a totally different ballgame. That will come then we’ll be back to scoring points in bunches.

On a related note, the right side of out line isn’t playing well. Stichcomb doesn’t surprise me, but Evans hasn’t played up to his standard and that is having a big effect as well.

"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010

by SaintBevo on Oct 4, 2010 4:12 PM CDT reply actions  

PBMC Syndrome?

Post Big Money Contract Syndrome? ala Chuck Wagon?

"I don't think we're the team with the target on our backs. They're not gunning for us, we're gunning for them. We're the ones with the scope." - Saints defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis

by BRSaintsFan on Oct 4, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brees, as always, is throwing deep 2-4 times a game.

When he tried it on earliest games this year, timing was just off. Part of it may had something to do with, as some people mentionned here, that hit he took to his throwing shoulder not long ago. Even if he eloquently came back from that 2005 injury, I doubt that shoulder is as good as it was before and he probably still gets nervous when hit there.

As for the lack of success when he tried to bomb it yesterday, how many of you noticed he wouldn’t hard step into his front leg for most of the night?

Don’t know if his shoulder is 100% or not but his knee was clearly an issue. Brees surely went into that game thinking it was because I read a post-game quote where he said it wasn’t as bad as he thought it would be. Pretty far from the no-concern speech he and Payton said all week don’t you think?

Repeat? Under construction...

by FrenchFreak on Oct 4, 2010 5:44 PM CDT reply actions  

 “Drew Brees: B+”?

I won’t rehash what I’ve said too many times already, but that’s a bit high for what we saw on the field vs. what he is capable of.

And, thanks for poitning out the thing I’ve said too many times…

 “Marques Colston did make one terrific catch off his shoetop.”

There were too many “shoetop” passes to earn a B+.

Damn… I said it.

Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.

by Dan Kelly on Oct 4, 2010 6:17 PM CDT reply actions  

and...
Marques Colston: C+ (2.75) Despite 8 balls coming his way, Colston had just 4 catches for 36 yards.

You can’t blame Colston for missing 2 other “shoetop” catches or the great defensive play to break up that pass.

So, he caught 3 out of 4 catchable balls and 1 “terrific catch off his shoetop”. Sounds like a solid “B” to me.

Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.

by Dan Kelly on Oct 4, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Drew was throwing at knee level far too often.

Who dat, from a cajun exiled to cowboy country.

by alcoholic_insight on Oct 4, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Henderson

He needs to fix the drops pronto, but as for using him for underneath routes. I don’t mind it if its due to teams taking away the deep ball. If the deep ball isn’t there, let devery try to develop as an underneath threat. IF he’s successful, teams will have to honor the underneath, and consequently, his deep threat
will be more dangerous. Corners will have to play closer to the line and his double move will be more effective.

by nepomo on Oct 4, 2010 8:24 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Voted Betts

liked his straight ahead style, nothing flashy, very workman-like. I trusted him with ball more than Ivory. He lost yds. on a pitch/toss right,( 4th Q w FG drive) dumb play call on that one, Traps/Draws/Dives looked like his strong suite all day, then that toss play w/no blockers, CAR knew it was coming, really needed 6 there. This guy’s gonna be handy.

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Oct 4, 2010 11:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Former ‘Skins have proven to be a pretty nice lifeline for the Saints at RB. If you remember, Terry Allen helped carry the 2000 Saints when Ricky Williams went down. Of course, Williams wouldn’t have even been a Saint, had it not been for Washington’s no-brainer acquiesce, so I suppose it was fitting that they provided the indirect relief. I’ll consider Betts uber tardy payback for George Rogers. We’re all even now, Snyder.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Oct 5, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Terry Allen

I had almost forgot til I saw Saints/Rams play-off game re-play on NFL net. Aug. maybe, he had some touches, short ydge. stuff.

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Oct 5, 2010 8:57 PM CDT reply actions  

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