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Saints Must Look to Regain 2009 Defensive Form vs. Cardinals

The 2010 version of the Saints defense has been very different from the Super Bowl defense of last year thus far. The good news is they've given up an average of just 18 points per game so far, down from 21.3 a year ago. That change is timely, too, because the offense has struggled to put up the kind of  bulk points they did a season ago. The bad news is that they've only gotten 7 takeaways through 4 games (1.75 average per game), three of which were fumble recoveries on special teams and not defense. Through 4 games last year, the Saints had 13 takeaways, and they finished the season with 39 (2.44 average per game). So while they may be getting beat by big plays less, they're also making less plays. I also think the lack of offensive productivity is at least in part due to the lack of takeaways. This is something they'll look to change as they go up against the Arizona Cardinals and rookie quarterback Max Hall, who will be getting his very first start.

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I mentioned this previously, but you know that Gregg Williams is just absolutely salivating at the idea of putting complex blitzing packages at Max Hall, mixed with drop zone coverages disguised as blitzed pre-snap. The key to doing all this fun stuff will be stopping the run. The Saints have got to get the inexperienced Max Hall into 3rd and 8 type clear passing situations. Right now the Cardinals may rank just 18th in total yards rushing in the NFL, but they rank a very scary 3rd in the league in yards per carry. That's right, the Cardinals average running for 5.4 yards per touch so far this season on the ground. It's even more scary when you consider that Hall is starting, because they'll probably be more committed than ever to taking pressure off their passing game. The main guy who's been absolutely tearing it up so far is Tim Hightower, though Beanie Wells is finally back and healthy now, and he's played well in limited action. LaRod Stephens-Howling has gotten some reps, too, and he's got the best average per carry of them all at 5.9 yards per. This will be the chess match where this game all starts. Remi Ayodele and Sedrick Ellis have both gotten tremendous push, and through four games they've dominated the line of scrimmage. This will be an important game to keep that up. Too bad Will Smith will likely be held out, too, because his run support has been outstanding. We'll have to hope that whoever replaces him, be it Jimmy Wilkerson, Anthony Hargrove, Jeff Charleston, can be up for the task. Oh, and that guy that's been completely invisible through 4 games, I think his name is Alex Brown... yeah him... he's going to need to play well too. 

Assuming the Saints can dominate the line of scrimmage, starting with Ellis and Ayodele, this is where things get exciting. Send a corner/safety blitzing, send Jonathan Vilma, whatever. The point is if the run is stopped, then the Saints can take full advantage of a rookie quarterback making his first start. That means sacks, turnovers, and getting closer to the 2009 form that made the Saints' D so exciting to watch. You know they are all licking their chops for this opportunity. Gregg Williams will have them ready. Again, it all starts with slowing down Beanie Wells and Tim Hightower. If they can do that, this is a great chance and opportunity to start getting the takeaways that have been missing.

How many turnovers are you expecting from Max Hall in this game?

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seems to be the key. The Saints scored on their first posession like dang near every time up until the Miami game last year, and frequently storme dout the second half with a scoring drive. Just seems like if you can get some kind of lead it forces the other team to get more aggressive, to throw more, and to make more mistakes, leading to turnovers.
But I sure can’t say that it is only because of not striking early on offense. I haven’t seen QB’s under a whole lot of pressure, and flaping ducks in the air as a helmet errr shoulder pummels their blindside…..but hey we be on this years wagon, and the band is playing, and I will be hollering for the BOYS IN BLACK AND GOLD!!!!!!!

by WhoDatFever on Oct 8, 2010 6:32 AM CDT reply actions  

I think it's unrealistic to think and expect our defense to score the points and get the turnovers we got last year.

Don’t get me wrong, we can and should still be aggressive. We can and should still get turnovers. But, last year was a little freaky as far as what the defense accomplished and to plan on that, as a defensive coordinator, would probably be folly for GW. In lieu of that, I think they have taken steps to be a little more consistent and sturdy vs the run which is a very good approach IMO.

This year’s defense has been a little less risky in its approach. Obviously a lot of that had to do with injuries. But what I am saying is that this defense has now evolved to be more multi-faceted instead of just one approach (i.e Minnesota game- rushing 3 lineman and being aggressive with defensive backs).

I think the model for this year’s defense is the Pittsburgh or Baltimore’s defense. I am not saying they ARE the Pittsburgh/Baltimore defense, but I am saying they aspire to be more like that. I don’t think last year’s defense, as successful as it was in many ways, was that much like those defenses. I am guessing, but I think the mindset is that since we have such a potent offense, a more complimentary defense in the long run is one that stops the run and gets more three and outs. Takeaways are great and no one should ever pass up a chance for one. But to rely on them like last year’s defense did is a philosophy you only do when you have to.

"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking

by Philinwood on Oct 8, 2010 7:08 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Well said.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Oct 8, 2010 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Having said all of that, when you face a rookie QB it's all about being aggressive and forcing turnovers if you can.

"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking

by Philinwood on Oct 8, 2010 7:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Let's take a closer look at those running stats

The Cardinals currently are averaging 5.4 yards per carry, but you have to wonder why that is when they have fewer carries, total, through four games, than any other team. If they’re that good at running the ball, why don’t they do it more often?

Two facts explain practically everything. First, the Cardinals lost in two blowout games to Atlanta and San Diego, by a total of 82-17. They were striving mightily to catch up in those games, and abandoned the run early.

Second, their per-rush stat is inflated because they gained good yardage against two weak teams—St. Louis and Oakland—and had a monstrous 9.1 average against Atlanta due solely to Hightower’s 80-yard run (other than that run, they had virtually the same average—3.4—that they had against the Chargers).

So how do the Saints compare? First, Oakland is worst in the league in rush defense based on per-carry average (5.3). St. Louis isn’t much better, at 25th (4.6). Unfortunately…the Saints aren’t much better, either: they’re at 24th, with a 4.5 average. (Strangely enough, Atlanta is tied with St. Louis, yet did a significantly better job of stopping Arizona on the ground…if you discount that long run, that is.)

It would seem that the key to this game, defensively, will be getting a big lead early. You don’t necessarily stop the Cardinals’ rushing attack, so much as you force them to abandon it. Even if the Saints give up 5 yards a pop on the ground, it won’t matter if the Cardinals are passing four downs out of five in a desperate attempt to make up a large deficit.

And how likely is that? Well, the Cardinals are currently 22nd in the league in pass defense (yards per game: 233.2). That’s worse than any team we’ve played so far. They’re remarkably consistent, too: Matt Ryan and Philip Rivers didn’t do any better, yard-wise, than Sam Bradford and Bruce Gradkowski did. In fact, they both did marginally worse. But they also combined for 5 touchdowns and no interceptions, while Bradford and Gradkowski threw only 2 TDs and had 4 picks. If Drew plays his typical game, he’ll throw for around 280 yards, with a 75% completion average, and 3 TDs. And that should be enough.

It was worth the wait.

by MtnExile on Oct 8, 2010 7:41 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

nice analysis

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Oct 8, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

headed to phoenix today

and i really hope this is the game they drop a 40 burger… in which case turn up the volume on your tv, cause the late game who dat chants you will hear in the background will have started with none other than DBMC and his merry band of a**holes.

"As a Saint fan I watch ‘Gone with the Wind’ just to watch Atlanta burn" -Ralph Malbrough

by DrewBreesManCrush on Oct 8, 2010 8:14 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

" cause the late game who dat chants you will hear in the background will have started with none other than DBMC and his merry band of a**holes"
Mobile rec’d

Week 5 matchup: Cardinals
Week 5 motto: I'm too young to have heart problems.

by Jon Banks on Oct 8, 2010 8:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

God, I love seeing pictures of 25 year old rookie QBs wearing a crib sheet in college. If you can’t wrap your head around something as elementary as a spread offense, how successful are you going to be in the pros? David Klingler, Ty Detmer, Chris Weinke, Kliff Kingsbury, Timmy Chang, Alex Smith, Colt Brennan, John Beck … I can’t wait until Sunday.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Oct 8, 2010 8:40 AM CDT reply actions  

wearing a braclet doesnt necessarily mean they are stupid

they don’t have the benefit of a helmet radio and usually call in plays by hand signals or numbers and many times have dummy signals to throw off the other team. here is another guy who wore a “crib sheet”

"As a Saint fan I watch ‘Gone with the Wind’ just to watch Atlanta burn" -Ralph Malbrough

by DrewBreesManCrush on Oct 8, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Now show Chase at Mizzou…

Hey, Mr. Reporter, how 'bout talking about yourself?
Do you like what you're doing, or is it that you can do nothing else?

by stujo4 on Oct 8, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh I'll do it...

http://www.pickinsplinters.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/chase-daniel.jpg
Chase don’t need no stinkin’ flip charts…

Hey, Mr. Reporter, how 'bout talking about yourself?
Do you like what you're doing, or is it that you can do nothing else?

by stujo4 on Oct 8, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

oops

Hey, Mr. Reporter, how 'bout talking about yourself?
Do you like what you're doing, or is it that you can do nothing else?

by stujo4 on Oct 8, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Champion > Nike.

Also, notice that neither are wearing black pants. That’s why they’re good enough to be on an NFL roster.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Oct 8, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Boom!

Mobile Rec’d

Week 5 matchup: Cardinals
Week 5 motto: I'm too young to have heart problems.

by Jon Banks on Oct 8, 2010 10:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

What the …? Cut that chump!

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Oct 8, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Drew wasn’t a 25 year old rookie, btw.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Oct 8, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

He also sucked as a rookie. I’ll gladly play against 2001 Drew Brees on Sunday.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Oct 8, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I expect 2-3 turnovers

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Oct 8, 2010 9:29 AM CDT reply actions  

We could consider that...

the defense looks better “points prevention wise” is because of the lack of offense productivity. I.E. The more the offense scores, the more the other team gets the ball back.

Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it. ~Heywood Hale Brown

by jack_casse on Oct 8, 2010 11:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Indeed.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Oct 9, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

First...

I am a Falcon fan (yeah..BOO!).

Second, y’all will kill the Cardinals. The Falcons absolutely annihilated them, with Arizona’s only score coming on a busted, 80-yard run by Hightower.

While it was in limited action, Max Hall entered the game late and was promptly picked off.

The Saints will go up big, forcing Max Hall to throw and throw and throw. Thus, I see many INTs, and at least one pick-six.

In fact, I am so confident in the Saints defense, I dropped my very own Falcons D for the Saints D in fantasy football. And we’re facing Delhomme! Yeesh.

"You can't print what I said, but they have to catch us." - Chipper Jones

by Jman781 on Oct 8, 2010 2:31 PM CDT reply actions  

on a busted, 80-yard run by Hightower.

I’d like to see that again. (me<<Hightower owner in a keeper league)

See ya later, Hotshot.

by stujo4 on Oct 9, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

As long as there’s no TD associated with it, I’m cool with it. In fact, I’ll allow him to fumble at the end of the run and consider it a punt.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Oct 9, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

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