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Devery Henderson: Forgotten but not Gone

I am beginning to notice more and more people questioning the seeming lack of production from wide receiver Devery Henderson this season. Not only here at Canal Street Chronicles and on other Saints boards but also, most recently, during yesterday's Saints Mailbag segment over at the Times-Pic, which is what finally drove me to discuss the topic myself.

In case you haven't seen it mentioned or thought of it yourself, here is the mailbag question answered yesterday by Mike Triplett at the Times-Pic. It accurately represents other complaints/questions I've heard/read about Devery's performance this season. 

Q: What's the real story behind Devery Henderson's disappearing act this year? Is he hurt, out of favor from drops (all WRs have done this), lost a step and can not stretch the field, unhappy, pouting, lost Brees' confidence (and why?) ... ?? 

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Admittedly,  it certainly "feels" like Devery hasn't been the same receiver we've seen in the past. At least not the receiver from 2009, anyway. I get that. But is it actually true? We're gonna have to check out the numbers for this; they never lie. Below is a comparison of Devery Henderson's stats through the first nine games of the past three seasons.

Devery Henderson through first 9 games 2008 2009 2010
Catches 20 30 22
Targets 39 46 39
Yards 532 523 262
TDs 3 1 1
Longest 84 63 39

 

So what can we make of all this numerical mumbo-jumbo? 

Well I don't think there's any truth to the speculation that Brees has lost confidence in Henderson. Since he's been targeted only seven times less than last year at this point and exactly the same amount of times as 2008, I wouldn't say he's getting much fewer chances. Not enough to warrant a conspiracy theory anyway. 

Devery's catch total is down a little bit this season but only by eight catches. In other words, he's averaging only one less catch per game and not even that much. Again, not really what I would consider a significant difference. 

I can't accurately say whether he's dropped more passes this season but he has failed to catch almost the exact same number of passes this year compared to last. 

Is he scoring less? Nope. Both this year and last Devery only had one single touchdown through nine games. 

Really the only area of Henderson's game that's down significantly is the total yardage he's been able to accumulate. So far this season he's 261 yards off last years pace. With considerably less yardage and not as much of a dip in his catch total (as mentioned above), that can only mean Devery just isn't getting as much bang for his buck these days. In other words, he's not the big play threat he once was. A quick look at his longest plays per season confirm that. 

What this means is that I think we can narrow our focus when discussing Devery's apparent drop off. Because he hasn't disappeared. It seems to me the real question we should be asking is simply: What happened to Devery Henderson as a deep threat? That's the specific area in which he's hasn't been the same as in years past. 

Is it because defenses are doing something special this season? Is he just dropping the big pass plays? Is it part of a Payton master plan, using him more as a decoy and allowing other receivers like Lance Moore greater opportunities? 

Here's the part where you guys chime in. 

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by Alex Swift on Nov 16, 2010 7:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Do two games really provide enough evidence to say otherwise?

"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"

by J of the F on Nov 16, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

No, two games do not offer enough evidence.

But, you knew the answer to that rhetorical question.

by CrazyforColston on Nov 16, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

When the assumption is unfounded otherwise? Sure, why not?

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough.

"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"

by J of the F on Nov 17, 2010 12:07 AM CST up reply actions  

If we had an actual running game ala 2009

then it would. Unfortunately this year seems to be like 2008 all over again, with the defense being the major exception.

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by Jon Banks on Nov 16, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

The lack of a running game is about far more than Reggie and Pierre being out.

If I am good I could add years to my life / I would rather add some life to my years.

by Jay Preece on Nov 16, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

True

…but getting Reggie and Pierre back will help. Opposing teams will have to assume, for instance, that Reggie Bush is still an effective threat. That assumption will force them to alter the way they defend the Saints.

It was worth the wait.

by MtnExile on Nov 16, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Bingo.

"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"

by J of the F on Nov 16, 2010 9:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Like the idea in theory. But our OL will have to remember how to play well first.

by FriarBob on Nov 16, 2010 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

less pass receiver injuries this year

I’m pretty sure if you check back, last year we had more missed games by receivers- WRs, TEs etc. Dave Thomas played FB a lot after Evans went out, so DThomas was not out running routes. Shockey missed games last year as did Colston if I remember. I think Moore even missed some time.Meachem was getting less playing time last year also. This opened things up for Henderson to be targeted more. So this year there are less routes being run by Henderson because of so many viable receivers and he’s been targeted less as a result. Jimmy Graham gets targetd some too, we only had 2 viablke TEs last year and one was playing FB a lot. Also, without Reggie occupying defensive backs/schemes, the safeties can play deeper and take away a lot of the passes that Henderson makes his living on necessitating passes to go to Moore and Colston and the RB du jour on a swing pass. Without PT we have run less screen passes and the ones we have are less effective so that hurts the deep ball a) less ability to neutralize pass rush with screen passes, b) less safety and cb concern about screen passes.

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by Philinwood on Nov 16, 2010 8:12 AM CST reply actions  

Allow me to simplify things a bit. Henderson is currently the fourth best WR on this team. He’s “starting” (something that means absolutely nothing in the scheme) based on his tenure with the organization. a.) he isn’t in the lineup as often. b.) when he is in the lineup, he’s not gaining separation downfield quickly enough to offset the sub-standard pass protection Brees is getting. c.) other receivers are. Whether c.) is a product of better route running or shorter routes is open to interpretation. No matter how you slice it, his production has waned as a result. No worries. Devery signed his extension. Moore didn’t. Expect Henderson’s seemingly endless reign of mediocrity to continue, as he inches back up the target tally list by default.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2010 8:41 AM CST reply actions  

Henderson’s seemingly endless reign of mediocrity

He led the league in yards per catch in 2006 and 2008, and was in the lead for much of last year. That’s not exactly Jericho Cotchery mediocrity.

"No jelly beans, bits of cake and things, and combs. We've GOT combs!"

by stujo4 on Nov 16, 2010 9:13 AM CST up reply actions  

He also led the league in drops per target two years in a row. Outside of straight away speed, he and Cotchery are practically the same breed of cat. The bright side being that so was Brandon Lloyd, going into this 2010.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2010 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

-this

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2010 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

drops per target?

r u kidding? Probably not. Stujo uses the same BS stats you use to describe why Alvin Harper is a HOFer and you pull this crap out “drops per tareget”…PUH- LEASE! I know a pass he didnt drop….the one afgainst ATL that turned a 40 yard FGA into a 28 yarder.

by jray2000 on Nov 16, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm trying very had to understand

why drops per target is somehow a bogus stat.

Should I point out two or three crucial Colston catches using your argument?

by CrazyforColston on Nov 16, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

drops/catch ratio isn't good for Henderson, either.

Using this years stats. It’s a drop per every 8 catches. Worst record amongst four wide receivers. And that wss sort of the point of all of this, I think.

Add to that Stujo wanting to know why Colston gets a pass for drops and we went into ratios comparing Henderson and Colston.

by CrazyforColston on Nov 16, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Colston gets a pass for drops

No answers yet. Anyone?

"No jelly beans, bits of cake and things, and combs. We've GOT combs!"

by stujo4 on Nov 16, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually that was answered 2-3 different times…you just seem to ignore it. Fact is Colston produces even with the occasional drop. When was the last time Henderson produced outside a single long bomb for a TD….college? If you take off your LSU fan hat it’s not hard to see who the better receiver is.

"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."

by jeff.l.b on Nov 16, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

LSU!! LSU!!

"No jelly beans, bits of cake and things, and combs. We've GOT combs!"

by stujo4 on Nov 16, 2010 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

MSU!! MSU!! MSU!!…wait i can’t keep that up…my school stinks. When you’re not even the best school in podunk Montana…things are bad.

"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."

by jeff.l.b on Nov 16, 2010 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

SHSU….we are 4-6 in division I football. I win/lose depending on how you look at it.

Week 11 matchup: Seahawks
Week 11 motto: Black Jerseys. Gold Pants. Do it.

by Jon Banks on Nov 16, 2010 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

what?

This is not a Colston versus Henderson argument.

by jray2000 on Nov 17, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

coldpizza

I don’t have to write this even. Pizza is exactly right. Devery is just not in the game as much. You see more of Meachum now. Believe me, Payton knows the receivers that need to be in the game at a certain time. Oh, but Devery is by far not finished. I think once everyone is healthy again, Devery will get a bunch of playing time and get targeted once again. We will mix it up so much and Drew will make his way back to the top of the QB ranks where he belongs.
 Payton’s got a plan.
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by tommy v on Nov 16, 2010 8:59 AM CST reply actions  

the speculation that Brees has lost confidence in Henderson.

Perhaps it’s quite the opposite.

Devery just isn’t getting as much bang for his buck these days. In other words, he’s not the big play threat he once was.
It would help if his quarterback would overthrow to him once in a while, instead of underthrowing consistently. Devery hasn’t lost any of his speed, appreciably. He’s still a burner.

"No jelly beans, bits of cake and things, and combs. We've GOT combs!"

by stujo4 on Nov 16, 2010 9:16 AM CST reply actions  

Exactly

Drew has missed Devery on the deep ball alot this year. if he can get that corrected Devery will be fine.

What in the HELL just happened!?

by GESWhoseBack on Nov 16, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

How does..

How does anyone know what Drew thinks about Devery? Did drew come out and say it? Too much speculation for me.All I can do as a fan is be supportive of the whole team.

by SaintsGirlnMS on Nov 16, 2010 9:30 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

what a shock!! CP dissing another Saints player....

how many does that leave that haven’t been bad- mouthed? Anyone??

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by Philinwood on Nov 16, 2010 9:40 AM CST reply actions  

I think there are even some future Saints players he’s preemptively dissed as well.

by FriarBob on Nov 16, 2010 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

He liked Darnell Dinkins.

"No jelly beans, bits of cake and things, and combs. We've GOT combs!"

by stujo4 on Nov 16, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I didn’t diss anyone. I said he was a mediocre NFL WR, which he is.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

He's had 22 catches so far.

51 all of last year. Seems he’s on pace.

I’m not ignoring the drops. It’s like a fg kicker who can’t kick, Henderson must catch, it’s his job.

by CrazyforColston on Nov 16, 2010 9:53 AM CST reply actions  

He's hardly on pace to match last year's numbers.

Guess how many touchdowns Devery has this year. The number isn’t pretty.

"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"

by J of the F on Nov 16, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Henderson must catch, it’s his job.

I can’t remember a single drop by Devery, not that he didn’t drop a few. But I do vividly remember at least 2 very very catchable balls that Marques Colston let bounce off his fingers as his eyes moved to downfield. Why does Colston get a pass and Devery gets the comdemnation?

"No jelly beans, bits of cake and things, and combs. We've GOT combs!"

by stujo4 on Nov 16, 2010 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Colston is the second most reliable receiver

this year after Moore. He just is. He’s targetted more than Devery so averages less drops, far far less.

by CrazyforColston on Nov 16, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

source?

"No jelly beans, bits of cake and things, and combs. We've GOT combs!"

by stujo4 on Nov 16, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Pat Y wrote this

as of 11/03/10. So that would be through the Pittsburgh game.

Devery has had one less drop than Colston but with only 22 catches compared to Colston’s 54.

So maybe the “far far less” was opinion based. But, Colston also self corrects and the latest example is the Pittsburgh games.

I’m not all anti-Henderson. I hope he gets better. I hope they all do.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/tag/_/name/devery-henderson

by CrazyforColston on Nov 16, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Colston also self corrects

What? He has a gyroscope for catches?

"No jelly beans, bits of cake and things, and combs. We've GOT combs!"

by stujo4 on Nov 16, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Super bowl, Steelers game

Very similar. Drops two early for pretty much the same reason you pointed out, looking away from the ball before he secures the catch. Then he reliable the rest of the game, sure handed, and playing like he’s determined to make up for the early mistakes.

This is all I mean by self correction. And yes, it is a personal observation, nothing source based on that one, sorry.

by CrazyforColston on Nov 16, 2010 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

“Why does Colston get a pass and Devery gets the comdemnation?”

Who’s giving him a pass? They’re all run of the mill WRs in a pass heavy offense. I’ve said that many times before.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

You stand alone, my friend. Out standing in your field. Solitary Man. El Lobo Solo.

"No jelly beans, bits of cake and things, and combs. We've GOT combs!"

by stujo4 on Nov 16, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

He’s right. They are run of the mil wideouts. Colston is a solid number 2. Meachem has potential but hasn’t lived up to it. That’s about it. Moore would never be more than a number 3 WR on any team.

"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."

by jeff.l.b on Nov 16, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

No one would ever put Moore as a #1

They wouldn’t put Welker in either flanking slots either.

Both players are similar to me: They don’t have speed, but they do run crisp, smooth routes and show quickness in and out of their cuts. Both play from the slot more oft than other positions.

They are products of their physical limits (height/top speed) and the offensive system in place.

"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"

by J of the F on Nov 17, 2010 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

In order to understand your opinion of Henderson on a comparative basis, I need a clarification.

By your definition, is there any difference between “run of the mill” and “mediocre”?

Does “They’re all run of the mill WRs” mean everyone except Henderson (who you feel is mediocre, and therefore worse than the rest)? Or, is it the same as saying they’re all “mediocre” WR’s, meaning Henderson is no worse than the rest?

Assuming the two phrases are interchangeable, how would you rank them in terms of their individual mediocrity? Are some less run of the mill than others or do they all get lumped into the same “average at best” category?

by Drew-Dat on Nov 16, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Where i realize everyone views my opnion as being much, much lower than CP's

I’ll defend my position on the subject of saying they’re run of the mill. None of our Wideouts are exceptional or ground breaking in any way. We don’t have a guy that anyone on any team innately fears in one on one situations. They’re average, run of the mill, NFL wideouts..nothing wrong with that, they simply aren’t as good as people seem to think. They’re simply elevated by a top 5 QB in a favorable system. If i had to rank them.

Colston – solid B. A good, starting 2nd wide receiver. Would be good in slot situations or goal line where he can use his large frame to box out. Makes too many tiny mental mistakes.

Meachem – Solid C. Does little with a lot. Has the most complete talent of any wideout on our roster…he simply hasn’t produced. Not a great route runner.

Moore – Solid C. A decent third WR option. Does a lot with a little, but by no means strikes fear in anyone.

Henderson – C-. Poor route runner, suspect hands on occasion that seem to come and go. Only benefit seems to be his occasional ability to run a go route.

"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."

by jeff.l.b on Nov 16, 2010 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I wish you would grade on the curve.

"No jelly beans, bits of cake and things, and combs. We've GOT combs!"

by stujo4 on Nov 16, 2010 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I’d rather have a premier wideout that ruins the curve for everyone. But our receiver situation in all honestly isn’t bad. It simply isn’t top notch. We have depth…but it’s average from top to bottom is all. At least we’re not the Redskins when it comes to WRs.

"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."

by jeff.l.b on Nov 16, 2010 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

That’s the same order I’d put them in other than I might put Moore over Meachem simply because he’s more highly motivated. While we don’t have anyone who constantly demands a double team, we don’t have anyone whose weakness stands out like a sore thumb either.

I’ve always thought the total was greater than the sum of it’s individual parts. And, to your point, the primary reason for that is the QB.

by Drew-Dat on Nov 16, 2010 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

He's on pace there too

2 last year.

1 so far this year. Yep, on pace.

He’s only scored 17 tds in his career with the Saints.

by CrazyforColston on Nov 16, 2010 10:06 AM CST reply actions  

And

Assuming the season is only halfway over (which is untrue, because only seven games remain for the Saints, but I’ll go ahead and let that slide):

22 + 22 = 51

262 + 262 = 804

"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"

by J of the F on Nov 16, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh come on

No one says “on pace” with anything other than….Oh wait a minute you actually did let that slide, bless you.

See below where I point out that is not on pace on yardage, before you pointed it out.

by CrazyforColston on Nov 16, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah you posted one minute before me.

Didn’t see it until after I replied here. Whoopsie.

"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"

by J of the F on Nov 16, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Manos de Piedras

"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."

by jeff.l.b on Nov 16, 2010 10:07 AM CST reply actions  

He's not at all on pace on yards.

That’s probably what’s making everyone notice his absence and speculate about him being sidelined with purpose because of the drops.

He’s not even at the halfway mark compared to last year on total yards. Ah, but he is above average in the league. Yep, by the numbers, not by opinion.

by CrazyforColston on Nov 16, 2010 10:10 AM CST reply actions  

You do realize that his numbers are averaged in amongst players with only ONE catch?

Donald Jones has two catches through nine games.

Roberto Wallace has two catches through six games.

Roydell Williams has three catches through nine games.

Just because you’re above average doesn’t mean you still don’t suck.

I live Devery. I think a healthy running game benefits him. I think a healthy running game will boost his numbers.

But let’s not kid ourselves: Devery Henderson is not on pace for last year’s numbers. He’s ineffective right now.

"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"

by J of the F on Nov 16, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

And I think I mentioned

the drops more than once. In fact, insisted that it is his singular job to catch footballs.

This isn’t about blindly defending Henderson. More about pointing out that he isn’t being as underused as we think as compared to last year. Judging by your previous comment you surely thought he’d scored more than 2 touch downs last year. He’s scored the most in ’06, at 5.

by CrazyforColston on Nov 16, 2010 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

No, I knew his numbers

But one touchdown is not indicative of a good player.

"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"

by J of the F on Nov 16, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

And two for the season is?

Oh, so you’re saying he’s never been a very good player.

He was better last year, for sure.

by CrazyforColston on Nov 16, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

No, he's never been a very good player.

Last year he was a decent player. He was a role player. But not very good, and certainly not great.

As I’ve said before, I like Henderson. I just don’t think his work ethic is on par with someone of Fitzgerald’s caliber. That, and he has small hands.

"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"

by J of the F on Nov 16, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, I see your point.

Last year he had so little drops. Had that great touchdown against AZ where he had to get turned around and made a great catch.

by CrazyforColston on Nov 16, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Devery was definitely in the game more last year.

by tommy v on Nov 16, 2010 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

CP had it right, pure and simple

Henderson is unquestionably the 4th best wideout on this team. Moore is healthy again and Meachem has over taken him on the depth chart. That combined with the lack of running game to keep teams more honest are more than enough reasons why Hands of Stone has been on the decline.

"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."

by jeff.l.b on Nov 16, 2010 10:20 AM CST reply actions  

Everyone relax,

I dropped Henderson from my team last week, he will score tons of points now.

Week 11 matchup: Seahawks
Week 11 motto: Black Jerseys. Gold Pants. Do it.

by Jon Banks on Nov 16, 2010 10:37 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Hands of Stone

I think it’s time to abandon this theme. Devery had dropitis earlier in his career, but he got it cured last season. Look at the stats for drops in 2009: Devery didn’t even make the list. (Colston did, however…he tied for 4th in the NFC.)

In 2010, he’s not listed either. Roddy White, Tony Gonzalez, and Harry Douglas all made the list for the Falcons. The Panthers contributed Steve Smith and Brandon LaFell. Tampa chipped in with Kellen Winslow and Mike Williams. Not a Saint to be found, however. (Admittedly, it’s a shorter list.)

It was worth the wait.

by MtnExile on Nov 16, 2010 10:50 AM CST reply actions  

How many times have they been targeted?

How many times has Devery been targeted?

The most important stat (to me) would be the ratio of drops:pass.

"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"

by J of the F on Nov 16, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, see my answer to Stu.

Colston is targetted more and has more catches and has a lower percentage of drops when compated to Devery’s drops and catches. Do we even need to look this stuff up?

by CrazyforColston on Nov 16, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah. I'm agreeing with you.

My point is that Devery has less drops because he has been targeted fewer times than Colston.

Beyond that, I THINK that Devery’s drop:target ratio is higher than Colston’s. That is to say, I think he drops a higher percentage of balls thrown his way than Colston. I haven’t bothered looking it up though, because I’m lazy and it’s late.

"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"

by J of the F on Nov 16, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Here's what I have

For every 8 catches Devery has, he has a drop.
For every 15 catches Colston has a drop.

Colston is 85% less likely to drop when targeted for the same amount of catches.

by CrazyforColston on Nov 16, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Well lookee there.

I was right. A first!

"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"

by J of the F on Nov 16, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Where is everyone getting these dropped pass numbers from?

How do you know how many dropped passes Devery and/or Colston has?

Keep in mind that just because a receiver is targeted 10 times but only catches 8 passes, doesn’t mean he dropped those two passes.

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by Dave Cariello on Nov 16, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Where can we can percentages for targeted receivers?

"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"

by J of the F on Nov 16, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Drops per target is a statistic tracked by Football Outsiders. Targets are defined as passes with a reasonable chance of being caught and do not include interceptions. A drop would therefore be comparable to an error in baseball. A shortstop isn’t going to be charged with an error, if the ball sails 20 ft over his head, only to be dropped by the left fielder. It’s a bit subjective, yes … but not to the point of assuming that all non-caught passes are the receiver’s fault. For this reason, their unofficial target tallies often vary from other sources, like Yahoo! for example.

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by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Well I didn't get the above info from Football Outsiders

and I don’t know what the specifications for the above targets/catches include.

Just want to make sure everyone is clear.

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by Dave Cariello on Nov 16, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Henderson is only 1 catch behind Randy Moss!!!!

and in regards to drops, the pass routes often have something to do with it. Crossing over the middle is a lot harder to “not drop” when you know a safety is about to take your head of vs. the quick pass at the line of scrimmage when the CB is isolated 7 yds off of you.

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by Philinwood on Nov 16, 2010 11:53 AM CST reply actions  

Devery rarely runs slants over the middle, doesn't he?

I think he’s usually a split end in the x-slot where he rarely takes slant routes over the middle. I seem to remember Moore or Colston playing more over the middle, but don’t take my word for it. Not like I’ve even been able to watch a single game all year.

"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"

by J of the F on Nov 16, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Devery don’t like it over the middle, that’s established.

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by stujo4 on Nov 16, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

TWSS?

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by Jon Banks on Nov 16, 2010 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I really don't think Meachem has overtaken anybody- seems he's pretty invisible also.

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by Philinwood on Nov 16, 2010 11:54 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

This

He only has two more catches than Henderon,

by CrazyforColston on Nov 16, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

More catches, more yards, more TDs. It amazes me how people just hold on to Henderson for dear life and defend him with such fervor. And let’s be honest here…the only reason why 90% of those people do it is simply because he went to LSU.

"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."

by jeff.l.b on Nov 16, 2010 12:08 PM CST reply actions  

Nah

I just used him exclusively on Madden 04.

Man coverage, bomb it with Aaron Brooks, switch to Henderson and use turbo to catch up to the overthrown ball.

He was my personal cheat code back in the day.

"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"

by J of the F on Nov 16, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I go to LSU...

Im in graduate school at LSU,and thats clearly not the case. I “think” that he is a nice person, and I like his professionalism on the field. People give him a hard time, but i bet 97% of the people downing him couldnt go out every Sunday and do his job.

by SaintsGirlnMS on Nov 16, 2010 3:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

It's not about a regular Joe off the street being able to do his job...that might be the worst example of a defense i can think of.

The fact is almost 97% of the receivers IN the NFL can do his job atm…and probably better. Henderson isn’t that good. Is he a nice guy? Sure. But that doesn’t mean he’s a good NFL receiver.

"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."

by jeff.l.b on Nov 16, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

The fact is almost 97% of the receivers IN the NFL can do his job atm

That is not a fact. I could not look it up. Nor could I find informed opinion to support it, e. g, rotoworld.com.

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by stujo4 on Nov 16, 2010 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL

I’ll have to write a note to rotoworld to add that then. Change “fact” to “general perception”.

"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."

by jeff.l.b on Nov 16, 2010 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

lolstatistics

"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"

by J of the F on Nov 17, 2010 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I didnt say receivers...

Thats your opinion about Devery.I have the right to have my opinion. Could you go out and do his job? Probably not. I dont make it my buisness to bad mouth someone when I know I cant go out and do the job he does every Sunday. Can you go out and run routes, catch the ball from Drew, get hit by DB, LB, and safeties? When you can do that let me know along with your 97% of wide recievers you think can do his job! My point is I like him, and you have your opinions about him, and so do I case closed.

by SaintsGirlnMS on Nov 16, 2010 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

You’re kind of missing the point…but I’m guessing that’s because you’re venting emotion. Yes you have the right to your opinion, but Henderson doesn’t get paid to run routes against software engineers. I get it…my favorite all time Saint outside of Sam Mills is an average at best nose tackle named Pig. But that doesn’t change the fact that i fully realize Robert Goff was an average NFL lineman and that’s what most of this entire thread has been about. How good he is in comparison to other people at his position…not how much we like him on a personal level.

"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."

by jeff.l.b on Nov 16, 2010 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I get what your'e sayin...

We have different views but no harm done :)

by SaintsGirlnMS on Nov 16, 2010 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

LSU!! LSU!!

I think I’m the only one defending him and I can’t stand LSU. LSU!

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by stujo4 on Nov 16, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

......

Im on your side. Fighting with u. Lol!

by SaintsGirlnMS on Nov 16, 2010 3:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

LSU!!

"No jelly beans, bits of cake and things, and combs. We've GOT combs!"

by stujo4 on Nov 16, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

1) Lance Moore is back.

2) Drew’s knee was buggin’ him for a couple games (didn’t throw deep as much).
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That pretty much sums it up for my opinion.

It's an ankle bracelet, not a halo....

by yurintroubl on Nov 16, 2010 2:27 PM CST reply actions  

seems to me our deep passing game is very much lacking this season

regardless of the receiver

Brees has underthrown some deep routes this year, and they have (frustratingly) been intercepted a couple of times. I’m buying what the MSM says about teams playing deep cover 2 on us and forcing the throws to go underneath.

I’d say it was even probably a design element of all teams that game-planned for us in the offseason.

I will be interested to see if we can establish a running game in the coming weeks, and if we can bust a few big pass plays, with or without the running game established. Given the futility of our running game even before the injuries to PT and Red Cheese (paired with an ineffective deep passing game), I’m not sure which chicken or egg might take precedence here.

What i’d like to see us do is adapt and produce more yards and points however we can with whatever tools we have at our disposal, and against whatever the opposing defenses throw at us. C’mon, Payton! You are an ever-lovin’ wizard and resident genius, aren’t you? Figure this out, and fast!

Go here to read one of Wang’s posts about the deep passing game from earlier in the season.

It's gonna be a great year.

by Hans Petersen on Nov 16, 2010 5:41 PM CST reply actions  

oops, I tried to find the piece from Wang I was referring to and link to it

but it was from week 3, and only a minor part of the post, so I decided against it and then just forgot to remove that line from my comment. All apology.

It's gonna be a great year.

by Hans Petersen on Nov 16, 2010 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

and now I have Wang's evaluation of DH from his Glenn Frey series
Devery Henderson: Who? 22 receptions for 262 yards at a rate of 11.9 yards per catch and only 1 touchdown? His longest reception is only 39 yards? Those aren’t Jack Hunt numbers, those are Jack Hunt numbers! What the hell? Remember when this guy used to kick ass? And Message Board Guy was tirelessly attempting to convince you that he actually sucked, while at the same time concocting daily trade scenarios that would land the Saints Pro Bowl linebackers and high round picks? Good times. Yeah, yeah, I know. Defenses are suposedly playing to take away the deep pass and force the Saints to beat them underneath and all that. Because they’re just now figuring that out. Or something. “Wait, Devery Henderson is fast? Why was I not informed?!?” No, the real question is: Since when did that start working? I blame the absence of Reggie. Well, that and Drew’s grotesquely mangled knee.

source

It's gonna be a great year.

by Hans Petersen on Nov 16, 2010 5:57 PM CST reply actions  

I had a feeling when I wrote this

that is was going to be a good discussion starter.

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by Dave Cariello on Nov 16, 2010 6:25 PM CST reply actions  

Prepare yourself

for a high round WR in the draft next year. We have a collection of role players. Good role players that make up a very good group, but role players nevertheless. I think Payloo will be looking for a young talented WR add to this group.

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by SaintBevo on Nov 16, 2010 7:56 PM CST reply actions  

Prepare yourself for a high round WR

GAAAAA!!!

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by stujo4 on Nov 16, 2010 10:33 PM CST up reply actions  

No need to panic Stu. Near as i can tell, there’s only 2 first round wideouts, and they’ll be gone by mid teens. This draft is stacked on the defensive front 7 early in rounds 1 and 2…which does probably suggest we’ll go with a fullback in round 1, just so Loomis can constantly enjoy “going against general perception” when it comes to this team’s needs.

"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."

by jeff.l.b on Nov 17, 2010 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

So long as we keep GW then I would agree with that.

Hell I would love Dez Bryant right now. But if GW leaves then we have to fix our holes on Defense.

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by Jon Banks on Nov 16, 2010 10:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Please God no.

Give me a prototypical linebacker. Please. Pretty please.

"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"

by J of the F on Nov 17, 2010 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I think everyone is selling our WR corps a little short

I just don’t think the Saints win the Super Bowl last year without having some very high quality play from the WR position. I think Colston has accumulated over 1000 yds receiving almost every year despite playing for an offense that typically spreads the ball around. I just can’t forget how awesome Meachem was last year, and I expect him to have a big second half after being slowed by that toe surgery. Moore has had nice year after missing most of last year due to injury.

   I think Devery’s issues do stem a little from Drew being a little off than usual with his accuracy, which I think could be tied with the offensive line’s inconsistancy. I know I can remember 2 or 3 passes off the top of my head where Devery had beaten his man, and Drew just simply missed the throw, (like Drew’s int against Pitt).

   

by brock38 on Nov 16, 2010 10:50 PM CST reply actions  

I think one thing that the team’s technical bench has realized I that Henderson has been losing his touch. Of course they cannot tell him nor the fans to the face, but don’t be surprised when the "injuries’ breaks take longer than necessary.

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by brittneyyork97 on Nov 17, 2010 7:57 PM CST reply actions  

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