Seahawks 19 @ Saints 34: The View from Section 140
The offense is back, baby!
Okay, so they didn't end the game very well with two interceptions and a missed field goal on their final three possessions but that was preceded by five straight touchdown drives as the Saints converted 73% of their 3rd downs. The running game was effective, Brees went double-double to the Twin Towers and Jimmy Graham arrived on the scene. It's starting to feel like 2009 around here.
The Saints were in control of this game from the beginning and there was a permanent sense of calm among the Superdome crowd. Never once was there even a question who would emerge the victor by the end of the night. Which is exactly how the Saints should handle a weaker opponent if they ever want to be taken seriously as a contender.
Did the defense look a little soft at times? Absolutely. Some of the blame can be attributed directly to the poor play of Jabari Greer. But after taking control early, the defense went into prevent mode, stopped playing to win and just started playing not to lose. In fact, we should be excited. The defense looked a lot like last season, giving up big yardage but coming up with two clutch forced fumbles.
The bad news is that with the Falcons and Buccaneers both winning their games yesterday as well, nothing changes in the NFC South. The Saints have gained no ground.
My usual bullet points can be found after the jump. Won't you take this journey with me.
- The Imagination Movers sang the National Anthem.
- The Saints won wearing the black pants again. I think the curse may be fading.
- Heath Evans led the Who Dat chant to start the game.
- Maybe I missed something because I haven't seen anyone mention it but Usama Young appeared to have quite possibly one of his best games ever, at least in my memory. He made a nice pass breakup in the end zone on an early drive then later ran down a receiver in the end zone, timed the hit perfectly and broke up the third down play. He also let a possible interception bounce off his hands. These were the crucial plays early in the game that forced the Seahawks to settle for field goals and allowed the Saints to take control with touchdowns.
- How long are the Saints going to ignore the problems they currently have at the field goal kicking position?Since his return from hiatus Hartley hasn't missed any important kicks but it's obvious he still hasn't worked out all the kinks so I'm not sure how anyone can feel supremely confident when the time comes for him to make a crucial kick. And that time will come.
- By the way...Mare 4/4 > Hartley 0/1. [Double facepalm]
- Drew Brees surpassed Archie Manning as the Saints all-time career leader in completions with his 1,851 completion.
- If anyone on the defense deserves to be called out for poor play yesterday it's got to be Jabari Greer. On an ordinary day he's one of the better cornerbacks in the league. Yesterday he looked like...wait for it...Jason David. It looked that bad. He was burned twice in the first half by the Seahawks on long passing plays down the right sideline, one of which it appeared as though he was just standing there and watching the receiver make the catch in front of him. I've got to give Greer credit in the speed department, however. He turned on the after burners to chase down a receiver after one of those catches and saved a touchdown. No wonder his nickname is "The Jet."
- The University of Louisiana-Lafayette marching band was yesterdays halftime entertainment. They performed a tribute to James Bond.
- My feelings about the offensive lines performance yesterday are mixed. They did well keeping Brees clean and allowing Chris Ivory to be effective but Nicks and Evans were each called for 10-yard holding penalties.
- It's obvious that Payton and Brees are really starting to trust tight end Jimmy Graham and with Jeremy Shockey inactive for the game, Graham made the most of the opportunity yesterday. He finished with five catches for 72 yards. I'm not sure what his ceiling will be as far as talent and production but I very much look forward to finding out.
- Marques Colston had a huge day with eight catches for 113 yards and two touchdowns. Not really surprising. Robert Meachem also looked a lot like his 2009 self with two touchdown grabs. The two of them accounted for all four of Brees' touchdown passes.
- Great game today for Chris Ivory, who ran for 99 yards and his first ever NFL touchdown. Ivory has always been a powerful runner who keeps his legs churning but he seemed to do a better job yesterday of finding running room when a hole just doesn't develop. Better vision to accompany that strength. Now if he can only make it through a game without limping off the field or having to be taken to the locker room. If you listen close enough, you can hear the clock ticking on Ivory's career.
- Marvin Mitchell and Anthony Waters were both pumped and dancing like a mad man before kickoffs. They're party animals.
- If Drew wasn't playing on a completely shattered left knee and not all doped up on pain medication he probably would have had eight touchdowns. </sarcasm>
- Even though they didn't execute and I don't understand the reasoning behind it, I liked the fake extra point run by Chase Daniel. Why the hell not? (Just learned it was a bad snap. Never saw that. Special teams sucks.)
- Can't believe the sure hands of Lance Moore couldn't come down with that onside kick.
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Was that sarcasm with the fake extra point comment?
pretty sure it was a bad snap that Chase almost salvaged.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Nov 22, 2010 9:08 AM CST reply actions
Not sarcasm
That happened on the other end of the field. Never saw a bad snap. Just Daniel running for his life.
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by Dave Cariello on Nov 22, 2010 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Hence why I didn't understand the reasoning.
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by Dave Cariello on Nov 22, 2010 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Ruthless
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Nov 22, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
Hartley = FRUSTRATING!!
I’m almost ready to say cut his fat ass and bring in someone else, but then I realize there aren’t any other reliable kickers out there (Jeff Reed? Don’t think so). I also remember how Olindo Mare was horrible for us three years ago and has now turned that around and is having a very good year. Payton is probably thinking the same.
I’d actually prefer that Hartley be missing kicks to all sides instead of hooking everything to the left. By my count, two of his PATs were hooked and barely made it in. I knew when a FG came up he was gonna hook it. You could just see it coming like Fat Albert through a cookie dough factory hallway. I fear he’s gonna cost us another game down the road. Perhaps a playoff game.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Nov 22, 2010 9:23 AM CST reply actions
I think you’re wrong about preferring multiple problems to one. If he’s consistently hooking it in one direction, that’s correctable. If he’s banging kicks every which way, how do you figure out how to fix it?
I wonder if Chase Daniel put Tiger Balm in Hartley’s jock at Southlake Carroll High, and Hartley is still obsessing about it.
It was worth the wait.
Correctable?
This hook ‘em left problem set in during the offseason and he’s had 11 weeks to correct it. It’s hard for me to continue holding out hope that it’s gonna be corrected any time soon. I think it’s a mental thing with him similar to Steve Blass disease in the MLB:
Besides his Series performance, Blass is best known for his sudden and inexplicable loss of control after the 1972 season.1 His ERA climbed to 9.81 in the 1973 season. He walked 84 batters in 88 innings, and struck out only 27. Blass suffered through the 1973 season, then spent most of 1974 in the minor leagues. He retired from baseball in March 1975.
A condition referred to as “Steve Blass Disease” has become a part of baseball lexicon. The “diagnosis” is applied to talented players who seem to lose inexplicably and permanently their ability to accurately throw a baseball.2134
A notable victim of “Steve Blass Disease” is Rick Ankiel.567
Us Braves fans will remember how it screwed up Mark Wohlers career:
Wohlers’ success would not last forever. In Game 4 of the 1996 World Series against the New York Yankees, Wohlers gave up a stunning 3-run home run to Jim Leyritz that tied the game 6-6. After this, the momentum of the Series shifted and the Yankees won it in six games. Many observe that Wohlers was never the same after that. In 1998, he seemed to lose all ability to control his pitches. He spent part of the season at Triple-A Richmond, but still finished the season with a major league earned run average of 10.18. His control problems were dramatic. In 20-1/3 major league innings, Wohlers walked 33 batters. After being sent down to Triple-A, Wohlers walked 36 batters in only 12-1/3 innings. His symptoms were a prime example of what is commonly known as Steve Blass disease – a psychological block which manifests itself when baseball players overthink the act of throwing a baseball and consequently become unable to throw with any sort of control.
I know the mechanics of throwing a pitch are totally different than kicking a FG, but there are similar levels of concentration that go into each. Maybe Hartley is still overthinking. I hope he can fix this mental block before it loses us another game.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Nov 22, 2010 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, you just had to bring up the Leyritz homerun.
Thanks. I can’t think of a moment as a sports fan that has pained me more in my life.
I know the feeling
Just the thought of that guy makes me ill.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Nov 22, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
For Astros fans
It can be called “Brad Lidge Sydrome”. Although when you watch him go to another team, and be nicknamed “Mr. Perfection”….
Week 12 matchup: Cowboys
Week 12 motto: Lets go for 2-0 in Jerryworld
go phils
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league, Drew Brees.''
-- Sean Payton
by DeuceisLoose926 on Nov 22, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
A date with Lorraine Bracco? I’m not sure cougar action with fix the FPK.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
Although it may help out the waistline.
Week 12 matchup: Cowboys
Week 12 motto: Lets go for 2-0 in Jerryworld
fake extra point
It was pretty clearly a bad snap. The snap was too far to the right, Chase struggled with it, and Hartley bailed on the XP when he saw Chase struggling.
lol
give him back his meds
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by Dave Cariello on Nov 22, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
You're onto something, but it ain't Adderall
Anyone notice that this problem mysteriously surfaced as soon as they locked the Vicodin closet? Just sayin’. (He looked reeeaaaaalll caaaaaallllllmmmmm during the Super Bowl.)
It was worth the wait.
correct me if im wrong, but haven’t most of Hartley’s misses come when he has been kicking off the right hash? I know it is inexcusable for an NFL kicker to miss field goals of less than 35 yards; but for a right footed kicker, kicking off the right hash is the most challenging location to kick from because he must hit it going against the direction he is going towards. Still though, there is no excuse for him to miss a 27 yard field goal.
Jeff Reed rumour
This from a guy on Nola so I would be cautious about it… but Jeff Reed will try either today or tomoorow
Anyone wants to join me on the empty bandwagon....
Don't need confirmation to believe this
Although, I’ll believe it more when it’s confirmed. Hartley just had a very all around bad day yesterday. Even his PATs were barely going in. Payton may have had enough. He has to fear that Hartley may lose us another game in the near future. With the way the NFC is all knotted up and the way the Falcons are playing, we can’t afford another close loss.
Jeff Reed was looking pretty bad before the Steelers cut him loose. Not sure he’s the answer.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Nov 22, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Can we recruit a futbol player?
Like in the replacements?
Week 12 matchup: Cowboys
Week 12 motto: Lets go for 2-0 in Jerryworld
Black Ops video game
Hartley tweeted at the start of the bye week that he was looking forward to playing the new Black Ops video game. Me thinks he may have sat his fat ass back and played it for a week straight and got a little out of shape and outta practice. Maybe he can figure it out before Dallas. I’ll venture a guess that if he continues to hook kicks this Thursday, he may suddenly get lots and lots of time for video games.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Nov 22, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
Sunday was all about Ivory
I don’t think anyone really expected the show Ivory put on yesterday, busting out of the line repeatedly like that. Nobody expects the Saints running game, and when it’s working, you can’t figure if Brees will rear back and pass just about every time or not. Ivory broke it open so Brees could do his job. Great game!
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
Props to the O-line
Seahawks had 26 sacks coming into this game, almost 3/game, but 0 sacks yesterday. Plus it would have been very hard for Tusk to get almost 100 yards without the O-line doing their job.
"Dang! The Saints won the Super Bowl!" - my wife, Meso "Happy" Hu Dat.
by Dang Hu Dat on Nov 22, 2010 5:16 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Taken seriously as a contender?
Helllllooo, we won the Super Bowl last year. Also, who really cares if any of the media takes as a real threat this year?
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
by Tim Goad on Nov 22, 2010 5:49 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
BOOM....Rec'd
DON'T STOP 'TIL WE REACH THE TOP!!!!!!!!
Another SAINTS fan in Panther country!
GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!
WHO DAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agreed on all points
Between Thomas, Graham and Shockey our TE situation is on lockdown. Graham and Thomas have had solid games; I have been impressed.
Defense looked off and yes at times I felt like I was watching games from last season. Even well oiled machines have bad days so hopefully that is what happened.
I still don’t understand what percentage makes a kicker a good one.
Breesus Is My Homeboy
by SarahT on Nov 22, 2010 11:11 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I still don’t understand what percentage makes a kicker a good one.
Well to start, 0% = not good.
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by Dave Cariello on Nov 22, 2010 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
I think your kicker question a good one as it relates to Hartley.
Here is a guy who was a big part of our saints winning the SB. What? 4 over 40 yrds? Then shanks the chip shots all to often. Must be driving SP nuts. hate to let a could be great kicker go but Damn!
by saints-fan-in-miss on Nov 23, 2010 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
Greer was lost all day. The first long ball he got beat badly on , he looked like he didn't even know the play came his way!!
Greer all by his lonesome, was responsible for over 100 yrds and single handedly kept the Hawks in the game. Looked like he had been in the quarter all night and came straight to the game. I know he is better than he showed Sun , but damn!!!
by saints-fan-in-miss on Nov 23, 2010 8:42 AM CST reply actions

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