Fleur-de-Links - Nov 5th: Porter and Greer are Probable for Sunday
by David "Satch" Kelly on Nov 5, 2010 4:00 PM CDT
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PrintThings are looking up for some of the players we've missed lately due to injury. Tracy Porter and Jabari Greer look almost certain to start this week in Carolina. While the defense is almost back to full health, the offense will most likely still be missing Reggie Bush and Pierre Thomas. Thomas has already been ruled out, but Bush will travel with the team and work out Sunday morning. He's listed as doubtful. My guess is that Payton is taking him along just to give John Fox something else to think about when preparing for the matchup. I'd be shocked if Bush actually plays.
In addition, it looks like Jon Stinchcomb may be held out this week. Zach Strief will draw the start at RT if Stinchcomb can't go.
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TRANSCRIPT:
New Orleans Saints Head Coach Sean Payton
Post-Practice Press Conference
Friday, November 5, 2010
Opening Statement:
“We’ll go through the personnel first in regards to the injury report: center Jonathan Goodwin with his groin was full today and probable; Tracy Porter (knee) was full, probable; Scott Shanle (hamstring) was full, probable; Marques Colston (hand) was full, probable; Chris Ivory (head) was full, probable; Jabari Greer (shoulder) was full, probable; Pierson Prioleau (ankle) was limited and he’ll be questionable; kicker Garrett Hartley (ankle) was full, probable; Reggie Bush (fibula) was limited and he’ll be doubtful; Jon Stinchcomb (knee) was limited, probable; and lastly these two players are out: Patrick Robinson (ankle) did not practice and Pierre Thomas (ankle) did not practice and they’re out.”
How did Reggie Bush look today?
“He’s moving around and still you wouldn’t list him at 100%. But he’s making progress. He’s actually going to travel and work out Sunday prior to the game. We’ll see where he’s at but in these last couple of days, he’s been making visible progress which is encouraging.”
Would you say he’ll be a game-time decision?
“He would be a game-time decision. Otherwise we’d list him as out and we wouldn’t travel him. So we are going to work him out and se where he’s at on Sunday.”
He said yesterday that he’d like to get some time in on grass. Do you ever factor that kind of thing into it? Does it make a difference that you didn’t get to practice on grass?
“Not really. I think we went 95% of ’06 (practicing) inside. We like to get on grass when we can but it was fairly windy so we stayed inside. I think that you consider the playing conditions to some degree, and yet if a player is healthy to go, he’s probably healthy to go whether it’s grass or artificial surface.”
Will Tracy Porter and Jabari Greer start on Sunday?
“We’ll see.”
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As if there was ever any doubt...
the reporters doing these Payton pressers have no balls whatsoever. Not one of them apparently had the guts to ask about the Pierre Thomas to the Pats trade rumor. Shameful. Downright shameful, guys. Payton shouldn’t have that much power over the local press. He’s got them scared that he’ll get them fired if they ask the wrong questions. Disgusting.
The press as the 4th Estate? Gimme a break. They’re utterly useless.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Nov 5, 2010 4:29 PM CDT reply actions
Only one w/ balls was Wilkerson, now how do you feel about him.
"I understand this is a violent game. It's the only place you can hit somebody and not go to jail. So you understand that it's a privilege to play this game." Danny Clark
In response to that, what could questioning Payton about the potential trade a few weeks ago possibly accomplish? I can’t see any good coming out of that. They aren’t going to admit who it was for, that would undermine the player currently on the Pats roster with the coaching staff.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
Here's the problem I have...
Payton runs the show. He basically says which reporters are allowed in and which aren’t. For example, Payton banned all dot coms. So all the reporters are afraid to ask tough questions because they fear that Payton will take away their credentials or, basically, do to them what he did to Kenny Wilkerson.
But there is power in numbers. If the freaking media guys would all grow a collective set of balls and say, “We’re not gonna take this crap from Payton anymore” and ask him the tough questions, eventually he would have to acquiesce. because the NFL requires all coaches and players to speak with the media; there is a minimum requirement.
Payton is just one coach in a long line of past and future Saints coaches. Some of these media guys and a lot of the fans have been here long before he got here and will be here long after he’s gone. They should start freaking acting like it. He might run the show now and I’m very thankful for everything he’s done, but this is our team. Always has been and it always will be.
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by Dave Cariello on Nov 5, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Really Dave? Do you REALLY think you can win this game? Because I thought you were smarter than that.
All the regulations require is that Sean shows up and the news conference. He could stand there for 15 minutes and just simply answer “no comment” to every question and he’d be perfectly legal. And if he has to, he’ll start doing that.
I understand you don’t like his media policies. You’re entirely entitled to that opinion. But Sean Payton is an arrogant jackass, and I don’t have a problem with that. He will NOT give in. Guarantee it. Put it on Stu’s accountability index if you want. He will NEVER give in.
I’m not trying to win any game. I’m not the media. I don’t sit in press conferences. I don’t have that much of a problem with Payton’s media policies. He can do whatever he wants if he thinks it gives him an advantage and he wins. I’m just a fan. I just want to see winning.
My problem is with the MEDIA’S media policies. I have a problem with them being a bunch of vaginas. You’re right, he could just sit there and say “no comment” but do you really think that would happen? Do you really think everyone would stand for that? I don’t. It would get real old, real fast.
What if he was a head coach in NY? You think he could still pull this crap? You think he could control everything? I don’t. The problem is that the NOLA media just let Payton do whatever the hell he wanted from the very start and now the culture has been created. You could even make the argument that he made an example, saying, “You see what I did to Kenny? That’s gonna be you if you ask me a question I don’t like.” It just boggles my mind how much they let this one man control their jobs and their lives. It’s pathetic.
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by Dave Cariello on Nov 5, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
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You could even make the argument that he made an example OF KENNY WILKERSON
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by Dave Cariello on Nov 5, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Get 'em Dave.
I agree 100% with what you said. I am also tired of SP’s media shenanigans (that’s right, I said shenanigans. “I’ll believe ya when me s*** turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.”). I’m also tired of the injury lies. We have a right to know who is injured, don’t we? I believe we have a right to know if the greatest QB to wear black and gold is hurt, even if he is just a little sore. Oh hell, now I sound like a journalist. Hell, as far as I know, Porter and Greer are still hurt and won’t suit up Sunday. Boy, I hope they do. Don’t get me wrong, I love SP and what he has done for New Orleans, but stop feeding us this bullcrap. So much for wishful thinking. Oh, rec’d you btw.
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by saints_r_us#9 on Nov 6, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I am also tired of SP’s media shenanigans
That’s the opposite of what I said. I’m accepting of Payton’s media practices. I’m not necessarily crazy about it and I would probably respect an upfront coach more but if it helps the Saints win in any way, shape or form than I’m okay with it.
My beef is with the media. I think they are all a bunch of wusses and I have no idea how they’ve gotten themselves in this situation. I think a part of it can be traced directly to what happened to Wilkerson and the statement Payton made. Currently, an entire city’s news force is being pushed around by one person. The media needs to get together, realize that this is also their team and start using their collective power to turn the tables and start putting a little heat on Payton. It just shouldn’t be this easy. He’s got them all in the palm of his hand.
We have a right to know who is injured, don’t we?
I think I’m going to sound exactly like MtnExile here…Not necessarily. But we do have a right to a local media who actually gets to the bottom of things and isn’t afraid to report stories for fear of Payton’s wrath and even the possibility of being fired.
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by Dave Cariello on Nov 6, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Considering we don’t pay most of them one solitary red cent (except indirectly from ad views that we do our best to block because they are annoying), do we actually have any “right” to anything at all?
I think we have a right to fair reporting
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by Dave Cariello on Nov 6, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
And what exactly, pray tell, is “fair reporting”? Does it mean they have to dig up every tiny bit of dirt on info we would like to know but SP doesn’t want to tell us? Because if so, aren’t we demanding they put their livelihood on the line for our mere curiosity? Isn’t that asking them to take an enormous risk for our benefit?
And what happens if it does cost them their job? Are we going to start paying them out of our pocket? Hell no! We don’t give Wilkerson one red cent. Wilkerson spent years trying to get back into the media in any fashion at all? So why should they put their necks on the line for us?
Should they not be spineless cowards? In an ideal world, it might be nice. But it’s a hell of a lot easier to condemn somebody else when it’s their paycheck on the line rather than your own.
This is a great discussion...
And what exactly, pray tell, is "fair reporting"? Does it mean they have to dig up every tiny bit of dirt on info we would like to know but SP doesn’t want to tell us?
No. I don’t need to or want to know every personal detail about Payton or the players. I’ve learned a little myself about some of the behind-the-scenes stuff just writing this blog and to be honest with you, it takes away some of the mystique that is NFL football. We have no right to know when Payton made his last bowel movement. But if a reporter knows something about a player or the team that fans would have a right to know or that is illegal, immoral or just plain wrong, then they shouldn’t be forced to bury it for fear of losing their job.
And what happens if it does cost them their job?…But it’s a hell of a lot easier to condemn somebody else when it’s their paycheck on the line rather than your own.
The change needs to come from the top. Which, again, is why I say they need to get together and present a unified front. Reporters should be given confirmation from their higher-ups that they won’t be fired for being tough, pushing the edge a little bit or reporting controversial stories. Payton can’t kick every single media member out of the press conference room.
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by Dave Cariello on Nov 6, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
The change needs to come from the top.
Yeah. I think you have a point here. I think we’re focusing on the wrong targets. The people who are being the most spineless aren’t really the reporters. It’s the owners of the newspapers.
But I don’t know if I can really blame them there either. Basic “normal” news doesn’t really sell squat anymore. Even 10 years ago CNN reporters (supposedly, at least) made less than some of their compatriots on other channels because CNN didn’t have a sports division that generated lots of extra cash for the company. That’s critical information to consider. If sports really is the “cash cow” for many TV stations and/or newspapers, even the possibility of the loss of access has got to be flat terrifying for an owner scraping to avoid going the way of the dodo bird. He doesn’t want to have to shut his company down and fire everybody, and sports is probably how he’s helping to float his bottom line and avoid insolvency.
Assuming of course that the rumor was even true. But if it was, then no matter how much the owners really do need to man up, they probably won’t. Because considering how many dozens of other people they are responsible for beyond merely their own pocketbook, that makes it all the more unlikely that they will.
Payton can have control over every single aspect of the organization, I don't care.
But he should never be allowed to have control of the media. That’s a completely separate entity and it’s completely out of his jurisdiction. But, somehow, he has been given control of that as well.
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by Dave Cariello on Nov 6, 2010 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
And by "given control"
I mean, “he has frightened them into submission.”
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by Dave Cariello on Nov 6, 2010 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
True. He has. And he did a masterful job of it too. Because of that, until and unless they see some viable alternative they aren’t going to put their livelihoods on the line for our mere curiosity.
Right? Good? Not really. But it’s reality. And it’s a reality that isn’t going to change short of SP no longer being the head coach of the Saints.
They’ve accepted that. That may be cowardly and spineless. Heck, let’s be accurate — it is. But until they see a viable backup plan, they aren’t going to grow a backbone. Not in this economy. Hell even if the economy completely recovers to the point that we’re even better than we were in 1999 (height of the pre-Y2K-hysteria-economy) or 2003-2005 (which was pretty decent as well), they still won’t change unless the newspaper and media economy ALSO makes a major rebound. Which isn’t very likely. Newspapers are a dying industry and they know it. They see the (likely) death-knell of their profession knocking at the door and they aren’t yet ready for whatever alternate career they are considering when it finally comes. They are going to do anything necessary to delay the inevitable a few more years.
And in their shoes, with their backgrounds and their outlooks on life and their current financial situations, I’ll bet that you, I, Stujo, ME, CP, and every other major or minor poster on this board would be about 95% likely to do the exact same thing.
I agree with all of this
I completely understand the motivation. Again, that’s why I think the movement needs to be whole and unified. There needs to be trust between reporters and their employers.
Let’s say Jeff Duncan has some juicy info and reports it. Payton calls someone at the Times-Pic and says I’m not allowing Duncan into press conferences anymore so he’s not going to be any use to you guys anymore. Instead of firing the guy, they need to keep him. He’s still got contacts, so he should just continue to report stuff he knows Payton doesn’t want reported, all with the permission of his bosses. Eventually, Payton might come back and say, “Okay, you can come back to the press conferences but please stop airing all my dirty laundry.” Now Duncan’s back and he’s got a little more hand. These are the kind of battles that need to be fought. There’s no reason why the media can’t turn the tables.
Oh, and while all of this is going on, NOLA.com and Duncan’s pieces are pulling in huge hits because he’s got the scoops, which means money! As you’ve said, the economy is rough, especially the media economy. But it’s websites like Florio’s ProFootballTalk that are succeeding. Why? Because he’s got the scoop. Sometimes he might be wrong, but he’s also right a lot of the time. And he’s also not afraid to say it. He get’s a lot of hits. It got him hooked up with NBC. Wouldn’t NOLA.com rather be breaking these stories and getting these hits? I would think so.
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by Dave Cariello on Nov 6, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions
In theory? Great idea. Makes a ton of sense.
In reality? Not likely at all. Three reasons:
1) Inertia. Hard to change course once you’ve set one and have been on it for years.
2) Not a broad enough base of support. This is the most critical one. PFT and other places like that cover the entire NFL, not just the Saints. They thus can get a TON of additional traffic that no Saints-central newspaper will ever get. Even if we win the next ten Super Bowls in a row — hey, I can dream right? — it STILL wouldn’t happen even then. And without that, what they have to gain becomes much smaller in comparison to what they fear losing.
3) False pride. This is probably second most critical as well. Part of the false pride comes from how newspaper journalists turn up their noses at bloggers and other “pajamas media” as incompetent hacks who just get lucky. That’s bad enough, but it’s not even all of it. Another major part is the fact that many newspapers consider “muckraking” to be distastefully similar to tabloids. And frankly I’d have to agree. Still, if that’s what pays the bills and allows you to get away with ticking off SP, then it probably should at least be considered. But it won’t be, because of false pride.
Oh,
my bad. I misunderstood. I can see how you accept his media policies, but not me. I’m a very curious person. I don’t need to know everything, but I would like to know more than what SP’s putting out currently.
I see how we don’t necessarily need to know who is injured, we don’t want our opponent knowing too much. But we do have a right to a local media who can find things without being afraid of SP as you’ve stated above.
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by saints_r_us#9 on Nov 6, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
What if he was a head coach in NY? You think he could still pull this crap?
If he had a ring already before he got there, probably. Or if the team he was taking over was desperate enough — as we were — that would also be enough.
Before he had the ring, it was stupid moronic power games, but he could get away with it because we were desperate. Now he’s proven that it at least can work, and nothing you or I say about it is going to change jack squat. Heck, even if I tell him to be more of a jackass if he decides to stop my opinion still won’t mean squat.
It all just seems ass backwards
If I was a member of the media, I would be asking myself, “Why am I ever here? What’s the point? I’m merely a puppet in Payton’s game. I only say whatever he allows me to say.”
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by Dave Cariello on Nov 5, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
All I want is for someone to ask
Yes, Payton most likely would have refused to comment. That’s his prerogative. I couldn’t care less about who the Pats player might have been. I would just respect these reporters a lot more if one of them just asked the question.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Nov 6, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
That's about where I stand
I actually like that SP is secretive. It gives us a competitive advantage. I even like that he uses pressers to distribute misleading info. It gives us a competitive advantage. Why tip off your opponent? Makes no sense. I just want the saints to win. Whether I find out if someone is injured or won’t play from a press conference isn’t important. Satisfying my fan curiosity is not a priority. I’ll find out whose playing and whose injured on Sunday.
If the local media had the balls to ask tough questions, I’d have no problem with it—that’s thier job. If they just want to wave pompoms, that’s ok too. However, I’d actually be disappointed in our coach if he answered those tough questions and gave any inside info to our opponents. The only injury news he is obligated to report is the actual injury report. Spilling any more info could actually help our opponents gameplan and even put our own players at further injury risk by opponents targeting their injuries.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Nov 6, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I kinda think this is basically how I feel as well. If they had the balls, go for it. But they don’t, and I don’t really care. And I don’t want SP to give away anything that is a true competitive disadvantage. I want him to obey the rules and play fair, but not do anything he doesn’t have to either.
Then again, I also want perfection in lots of other areas in life too, and I’m not going to get that either.
Exactly!
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by Dave Cariello on Nov 6, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Read my Saints at Panthers Preview...
… on isportsweb.com here:
It has all the latest stats and injury news from today included.
Thanks for reading. D
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And when a successful NFL coach — i.e. 2+ time Super Bowl winning head coach — says this, I’ll consider believing them. Until then, this is mere whining from some media moron.
If Jon Stinchcomb can’t go and Zach Strief gets ill, Payton said I could take over at RT. Don’t worry, Payton made the right decision.
"Call me stubborn in my refusal to get interested, but I have better things to do with my leisure than surrender it to the commercialized, banally competitive, jargon-ridden, overexposed, overbearing domination that sports exercises over our culture." Okay, what was the score?
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