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New Orleans Saints' Offensive Player Grades @ Ravens

It's a little late to go back and retroactively grade the coaches, but I really felt like the offense's failures in this game had a lot more to do with the coaches than the players. Specifically, Sean Payton. He's human, so while he's still a premiere offensive coach with an uncanny ability to consistently dial up plays that work, there's times where he'll fail. Make no mistake, I wouldn't trade Sean Payton for anyone, but that doesn't mean he can't have off days. In this game against the Ravens, I thought the playcalling was horrible. The Saints threw the ball 49 times and ran it 14 times. The formations used to throw made it so painfully obvious the Saints were throwing, they didn't even try to disguise it. How many times was Brees out of the shotgun with no backs? Payton can pretend that the game scenario and the injury to Chris Ivory caused the lopsided ratio in playcalling, but he'd be fooling himself. The bottom line is the Saints were one dimensional by design, and while poor tackling is the #1 reason the Saints lost this game, poor offensive balance wasn't far behind. Below are the grades.

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Drew Brees: B (2.93) I thought it was a positive outing overall for Brees. He was scrappy and competed really well. Unfortunately, he wasn't able to drum up the magic on that final drive. As I mentioned in the intro, Brees was victimized by the horrendous playcalling, and he did as much as he could with the calls being made. Without Chris Ivory's powerful presence and PT still clearly recovering from a bad ankle, the Saints had relied almost exclusively on possession passing for short to intermediary plays. They didn't have to do it that way, but they chose to. Brees did struggle early with the conditions and had accuracy issues at times. He also held on to the ball too long at times, which got him sacked a few times, including two fumbles. Still, down 27-24 he had 3 touchdowns and no interceptions with a chance to win the game. The interception was a tipped ball that wasn't his fault, and he was let down by Colston who had two drops on the same drive preceding the pick. He was 29-46 for 267 yards, 3 touchdowns and a interception. His mastery of that 2 minute drill before halftime was a thing of beauty. The Saints will need his best in the coming weeks to have a chance. 

Pierre Thomas: C (2.67) He represented the only real rushing of note, with 6 carries for a whooping 20 yards. He also had a reception for no gain. He went long stretches of play without seeing the field, especially in the second half, which led me to believe he isn't close to 100% or that he suffered a setback with his ankle injury. He did have a couple of nice carries, including a solid 3rd and 1 conversion, but the Saints never really gave him a chance to establish himself. Maybe he was on a pitch count. He filled in on kickoff returns and was passable, looking slower than Courtney Roby but harder to bring down. He averaged just 22.2 yards on 5 returns, but had a really nice 32 yard return breaking a few tackles.

Reggie Bush: C (2.28) This was classic Reggie Bush, in a bad way. He made a few plays out there that were great, but they were outweighed by his propensity to run backwards and try to turn nothing into something, which often leads to the play ending in much worse than nothing. He finished with a team high 7 receptions, but those only went for 36 yards in part thanks to a horribly executed screen pass that lost 10 yards in the waiting arms of Terrell Suggs. He had a decent punt return for 9 yards thanks to a play where he actually ran forward, and he was back on the final kickoff return that featured a little razzle dazzle that amounted to nothing. He also had 4 rushes for -4 yards. Horrible. He does deserve a lot of credit for making a number of plays on the 2 minute offense before halftime that went down to score and narrow the Ravens' lead to 21-14.

Julius Jones: C (2.29) The few reps he got were nothing special, and again, he never got a chance to play much. He too has been dealing with injuries recently, so you wonder if the Saints refused to run because they had three running backs "healthy", all operating at less than 80%?  He did convert a 3rd and 1, but that was about it. 4 carries for 11 yards.

Heath Evans: C+ (2.67) He blocked well when he was in. Those aforementioned third and short conversions were made in part thanks to his lead blocks. He didn't play much at all, except on kickoff returns. Brees did throw his way once and was almost intercepted.

Marques Colston: B- (3.07) For a while there at the beginning he seemed like the only offensive player that decided to show up. In the first half he was consistently making catches and helping move the chains. He finished with 6 catches for 80 yards. In the end, though, he dropped two catchable balls on the final drive that killed any chance for the Saints to win the game. The first pass was in traffic, and the second was thrown slightly behind him, but those are both catches big time receivers make in clutch situations. He did not.

Devery Henderson: B (2.07) Henderson actually showed up today and helped by making some plays in the passing game. He had one catch in particular on a third down near the sideline that was an absolutely phenomenal grab, and it's too bad he stumbled because he may have scored if he kept his footing. He had 4 passes go his way, and he turned them into 3 catches for 53 yards. The lone pass he didn't catch was a low throw that he desperately tried to slide near the sideline to make, but the pass wasn't thrown accurately enough. It was nice to see him not be invisible for a change.

Lance Moore: A- (2.88) He only had 2 catches for 26 yards, but his touchdown catch that came on 3rd and goal from the 15 was a circus grab. The ball was tipped, and the level of concentration that Moore showed to be able to haul that in while tip-toeing the back corner of the end zone was out of this world. How could I not give him an awesome grade for that play alone? It capped a furious rally that saw the Saints pull to a 24-24 tie. While the Saints lost, he gave them life when they needed it most. It was the kind of play susperstars make, especially given the timing.

Robert Meachem: D+ (2.36) Brees and him just haven't been on the same page the last couple of weeks, to put it mildly. He struggled with lack of separation and bad drops, yet again. He finished with 2 catches for 17 yards, despite being targeted 6 times. Lackluster performance from the Saints' trusted playmaker.

Jeremy Shockey: C+ (2.70) He was targeted 6 times and finished with 3 catches for 26 yards. He moved the chains and helped the passing game some, but not on a consistent basis. The separation from his defenders just isn't there. 

Jimmy Graham: A (3.04) With this performance, he's now trailing only Colston as the best GPA on offense. He finished with 5 catches for 29 yards and 2 touchdowns. His first touchdown rivaled Lance Moore's in degree of difficulty. He hauled the pass in with one hand, stretched out, and dove into the end zone. The second touchdown came on a play action where he was wide open from a yard out that couldn't have come easier. Still, the guy is making an impact and he's a budding star. He provided a large and reliable target for Brees underneath. David Thomas' injury meant more playing time for Graham, and he made the most of it.

Jermon Bushrod: D+ (2.48) Bushrod struggled mightily in pass protection. While Brees helped limit his mistakes with his pocket presence, he had fits containing his edge. Linebacker Jarret Johnson blew past Bushrod untouched for an easy sack on Brees that also forced on a fumble - and on that play Bushrod's lateral quickness looked lacking. He was also victimized with a holding penalty. 

Carl Nicks: C+ (2.88) His pass blocking was fine, but he never got a chance to showcase what he does best: pulling and run blocking. The Saints never really put him in a position to do anything but sit on his heels and absorb pressure up the middle. While he was decent in that role, that's not playing to his strengths.

Jonathan Goodwin: B- (2.72) Goodwin's most crucial play was a fumble recovery of Brees' second fumble which came just before Garrett Hartley's 47 yard field goal. Goodwin showed good awareness and strength to fall on that football and keep it. Blocking wise, Haloti Ngata was a handful for him, to say the least. Goodwin did a decent job overall, but he was responsible for a missed blocked that left Bush to get blown up in the backfield. Goodwin also clearly held Ngata on a passing play in the end zone, and the Saints were fortunate not to get caught there as that would have resulted in a safety. He also missed a blitzing Ray Lewis at one point up the middle but was fortunate Brees avoided his pressure.

Jahri Evans: B+ (2.74) He went a second straight game without getting flagged, a real feat for him this year. The Ravens concentrated most of their blitzes and rush packages coming to the left side, which left Evans mostly with easy blocking assignments. Still, he handled his side well and he did a great job of giving Brees' space to step up in.

Jon Stinchcomb: A-  (2.55) I thought the job he did on Terrell Suggs was spectacular, pretty much all game. Stinchcomb was quick with his feet and very strong at the point of attack. I was really impressed how he continually stonewalled Suggs at the line of scrimmage. Suggs did get one sack, which was also a forced fumble, but that came after Brees scrambled out of the pocket and waited a good 7-8 seconds to try to throw the ball. Stinchcomb's block on the initial part of that play was textbook and perfect, and that play was on Brees (or the Ravens' coverage) for happening. While Stinchcomb still gave up a sack, he deserves recognition for what I thought was a job extremely well done all day against a very tall task.

Zach Strief: C+ (2.39) I thought he did a fine job for the most part blocking off the edge. He saw a lot of playing time as the blocking tight end, thanks to David Thomas' injury. The Saints never ran the ball, though, so they never got to take advantage of his mauling size. His pass protection was adequate overall. He was flagged for holding on a kickoff return which negated good field position.

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I like the grades basically. Seem pretty accurate.

I am curious about the defensive grades in that in retrospect it is starting to seem to me that our problem with stopping the run may have had a lot more to do with Hargrove being out than I realized. One good DT can make a big difference and also it limits your rotation to keep DL’s fresh so the longer an opponents drive goes, the more it can be a factor.

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by Philinwood on Dec 21, 2010 7:09 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed

And to go a bit further, it points to Ayodele’s reaching of his low-ish talent plateau. Our D-line needs to be addressed next offseason, badly. Of course, so does OLB, RB, and OT… Next year might be rough.

"The Colts were punching at it and grabbing for it, trying to get it out. But I didn't care if they broke all my fingers. There was absolutely no way in the world I was going to let go of that ball. That was our ball.''-Chris Reis

by FuSoYa on Dec 21, 2010 7:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I sure hope they go the ACC route again. That Wake Forest pair they landed in ’09 has paid nothing but dividends. Maybe Duke has a spare point guard we can convert into a RB.

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by coldpizza on Dec 21, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

There’s a certain ACC Wake Forest OLB currently playing for Seattle that i wouldn’t mind having on our team.

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by jeff.l.b on Dec 21, 2010 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Point taken.

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by coldpizza on Dec 21, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Also in retrospect I am questioning who Payton inactivated vs activated Sunday

1) Leigh Torrence active while Young and P Rob were inactive. Earlier in the season P Rob started some games (1 or 2 or ?) ahead of Torrence. Someone said PRob was injured but I see no evidence of that. In my opinion PRob is an upgrade over Torrence- especially in the Ravens matchup. Young would have been higher on my list also. This would have been key re: Greer’s injury
2) R Humber active- Dunbar inactive- I guess Dunbar has fallen from grace but I think the guy deserves some minutes- I know Humber is there for special teams, but it doesn’t really seem like he and Giordano have really resurrected STs, but maybe I’m wrong. Work Dunbar into LB rotation a little to keep Lbs fresh and let him play STs.I thught Dunbar had some big ST hits last year which we need.
3) Gallette active? I guess we had to do that ( and maybe he has a lot of potential) But, when you think about it maybe Hargrove going down was the worse D-lineman to have injured because he can play DT or DE and it doesn’t seem like anyone else is suited for doing both. So, it shows we have a little depth at DE, but not much at DT. In essence this lack of DT depth probably decided the game.

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by Philinwood on Dec 21, 2010 7:38 AM CST reply actions  

I think you are way to generous with these grades

Drew gets a D from me he was erratic and threw another pick he fumbled twice even if the line was that bad he needs to tuck the ball instead of throwing picks and fumbling
I’m not even sure where to begin with everything Reggie did wrong maybe he deserves a D but that would be generous from me
The only 2 bright spots i saw the whole day was Graham and Moore
Colsten dropped a whole lot more then 2 passes that was also a generous grade maybe a C from me
And i’m not sure you can even grade the O line because I dont recall them even showing up

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by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 21, 2010 8:34 AM CST reply actions  

Cmon man, puts this in perspective!

Drew threw 46 times. That’s like double what a lot of teams throw in a game. Flacco threw 20 times and was sacked 3×. Drew was sacked 3×. You have to expect sacks when you throw 46 times in a game and the other team doesn’t worry about if you run the ball. And, Drew’s int shouldn’t even count- it was a desperate attempt to keep us in it when Colston dropped 3rd and 8. It was the last ditch attempt and everyone knew where it was going.

3 sacks for 46 passes is probably average or slightly above average for games where a teams doesn’t run the ball. It is not an abomination. Either is one INT-it was on the last offensive play of the day. Was Brees supposed to throw it out of bounds and then just let the Ravens run the clock out? Or should he have, as he did, try to force a desperate attempt as the last try out of necessity even if it risked an int? Or should he have run like Aaron Rogers did and pick up a concussion from Ray Lewis or Suggs and then he’s gone for 2 weeks?

Man, it seems like so many people are just expecting Drew Brees to be superman every week. People say he held onto the ball too long, then they are saying he has been intercepted too much. Geez, I bet his QB rating was over 100. He wasn’t the reason we lost. He outperformed Flacco. He completed 63% of his passes, 3 TDs!! In a tundra envirnoment with teammates who are Dome teammates. We lost by less than a TD outside on a frozen day with wind against one of the three best teams in the AFC, probaly one of the top 5 or 6 teams in the NFL. And, with 2 minutes left we had a chance to win it. I bet they were shittin’ their pants. We didn’t play nearly our best, I’ll grant that. But, we severely needed two or three players yesterday that we didn’t have- Hargrove to help stop the run and Ivory to run the ball. AND, we missed Dave Thomas blocking and versatility for 3rd downs whether he pass blocks, run blocks or catches or whatever. And that’s not to mention Greer missing also- sorry Torrence is a drop off. I bet Payton would do that one over and activate PRob if he could- watch who is activated this Sunday. No excuses, we got beat by a team that outplayed us in THEIR HOUSE but we had a chance to march down and score a TD and win it.

Let’s get real!! Drew Brees- an A+ for Sunday- definitely not. But he played well. The problem was elsewhere.

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by Philinwood on Dec 21, 2010 9:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree

With quite a few drops, Brees would have had a great day with a few more catches from the receivers. I felt like Drew was very mediocre to start the game, but once he adjusted to the conditions he looked good the rest of the day. I don’t think the INT should affect his grade at all. Tipped pass on a 4th down play with a couple minutes left in the game doesn’t mean Drew did anything wrong.

I don’t care how banged up our RB were, we needed to run the ball 5-10 more times to be respectable. Hard to penalize our RB’s grades when they barely had a chance, and certainly weren’t given the opportunity to find a groove.

Also, why have PT returning kickoffs if the ankle still isn’t 100%? I think he’s fine, just poor balance from the coaches. They should have used someone else on kickoff returns and let PT carry the ball a few more times.

by mymrbig on Dec 21, 2010 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

totally agree

I don’t think any of our RB’s would’ve done any different. Ivory included!

2010 is cuzzin's breakout year...run with that chip bruh!

by TAYDIGGA on Dec 21, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Payton said Monday the tests on Greer's knee were negative

Not sure what the injury was or is, but it appears he will be able to come back from it. No word on if he will be available for the Falcons game.

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by VAsaintsfan on Dec 21, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I know why they lost

When the team ran out on to the field half of the team had on long sleaves. I don’t recall any Ravens wearing long sleaves. Hell, I even saw dudes on the defensive line with long sleeves.

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by Fat Punk Kicker on Dec 21, 2010 9:42 AM CST reply actions  

They also had black pants

And not just any black pants—the black pants they stole from the Ravens and then stuck a fleur-de-lys on the side. You can’t do that in RayRay’s house.

It was worth the wait.

by MtnExile on Dec 21, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

They should have stolen his war paint. That was pretty intimidating. We basically surrendered that edge to opponents when we cut this freakazoid:

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Re: #25 ... CUT THAT CHUMP.

by coldpizza on Dec 21, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Pretty sure he’s on the Insane Clown Posse’s practice squad, atm.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
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by coldpizza on Dec 21, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Don’t Wonderlic/Tebow me: Let’s all say a little prayer.

Please remember peace is how we make it
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by stujo4 on Dec 21, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

really?

How old are you Dave? I thought you were like late twenties or something? Unless your wife teaches high school and her students were like, what no more than a few years younger than her?

2010 is cuzzin's breakout year...run with that chip bruh!

by TAYDIGGA on Dec 21, 2010 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

The phenomenon you’re describing has a scientific name among male high school students … nocturnal emission.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
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by coldpizza on Dec 21, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

We could have drafted Toby Gerhart.

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by stujo4 on Dec 21, 2010 10:55 AM CST reply actions  

Brees announced that pick. Dropping his grade to a C now.

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by coldpizza on Dec 21, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I’m liking that Gerhart kid. Your email isn’t working btw, hoss.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
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by coldpizza on Dec 21, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I block email from undesirables. Are you sure you’re using stujo4@aol.com? I get stujo43’s mail all the time. S***canned.

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by stujo4 on Dec 21, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

you're right, it's not working
An error occurred while retrieving your messages. Try again.

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by stujo4 on Dec 21, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

In any case, check the M&P message board post “Matters of Finance”.

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by coldpizza on Dec 21, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

done

roll me to next year

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by stujo4 on Dec 21, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Had one kick back last night

with a MAILER-DAEMON (Omen 2) error:

<stujo4@aol.com>:
Sorry, I couldn’t find any host named aol.com. (#5.1.2)

Just tried it again and it appears to have gone through.

Blaming it on the eclipse. And Reggie.

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by coldpizza on Dec 21, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

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by stujo4 on Dec 21, 2010 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

“As I mentioned in the intro, Brees was victimized by the horrendous playcalling, and he did as much as he could with the calls being made.”

He could have audibled and run a few more draws, especially on first and second downs, when it was obvious the Ravens were sending the house and the backfield wasn’t bare. Also quite a few bad decisions on screen passes where the back simply was not his best option. I’d give him a C+ in this game, as he at least kept us within striking distance of the lead.

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by coldpizza on Dec 21, 2010 10:57 AM CST reply actions  

He could have audibled and run a few more draws,

There is no indication that Brees objected to Payton’s play calling. Brees is also too smart to buck the boss.

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by stujo4 on Dec 21, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Hence my criticism of him.

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by coldpizza on Dec 21, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

They share the same brain. “Yeah, but do you LOVE it?” “I LOVE IT!!!”

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by stujo4 on Dec 21, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

You’ve made our Dynamic Duo sound like a McDonald’s commercial.

I hope you’re happy now.

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by coldpizza on Dec 21, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

mmm…. hamburgers…

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by stujo4 on Dec 21, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Can I have some fries with that shake?

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by Ragin Who Dat on Dec 21, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought...

I thought Reggie had turned a page after that Arizona game. Now that he broke his leg he has reverted back to his old ways ): I hope he gets it together.

by SaintsGirlnMS on Dec 21, 2010 11:12 AM CST reply actions  

The OL grades

Are pretty good on the left, they did a horrible job. I think they are too high on the right tho, they didn’t do a good enough job even if they did do better than the left.

When is Charlie Brown going to become the franchise left tackle we drafted him to be? And where the hell are my two stud guards that used to be so great?

by FriarBob on Dec 21, 2010 12:02 PM CST reply actions  

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