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From Denial To Outright Delusion: Another Colts Fan Goes Over The Cliff On "Dirty Pool" Onsides Kick

Just when you thought that the River of Denial couldn't flood Colts Fan to extreme....someone goes over the top to out right delusion.

Once again, The Bleacher Report offers up another post -- this one by someone named Steve Montana -- who attempts to denigrate the Saints victory through a slightly different means than Charles Kellett did. This time, the focus is on "Ambush", the successful onsides kick call at the start of the second half.

This was already covered in comments to my last post here about Kellett's screech, but this latest is so impressively dumb that it deserves its own post. And, it includes a sequel, too.

Star-divide

Saints Win Super Bowl, But Onside Kick Was Dirty Pool (Steve Montana -- The Bleacher Report)

 

Ah, what could take away the joy of watching two great quarterbacks duel it out in a Super Bowl, having a snack at half-time anticipating seeing Peyton Manning and the Colts drive down field with the first second-half possession after making their usual adept adjustments during the break?

Dirty pool by Sean Payton, in the form of an onside kick to start the second half, could take away that joy.

Oh, we are sooooo reaching, aren't we, Stevie?? So, you are so upset that Sean Payton made a risky, gutsy call to keep control of the ball away from your hero's hands? What, that Peyton Manning is entitled by edict and Marquis of Queensbury rules to get the ball to start the third quarter?  Because when they got the ball back after the goal line stand late in the first half, Manning sure showed that they would drive down the field on the Saints with that ensuing 98-yard drive....oh, wait, they went three-and-out??  That just can't happen...must be the ref's fault!!

 

When the Saints won the coin toss and elected to receive the ball to start the game, they made their choice. The other team gets to receive the ball to start the second half, but the Colts never received the ball. It was stolen from them on a cheap and dirty onside kick.

Oh, really??? Hate to break this to you, Stevie, but the only thing that the coin toss determines is that who kicks off, NOT who receives. The winner has the option of either kicking off, receiving, or defering to the second half, which allows the other team to decide whether to kick off or receive for the first half.  The default value for most teams is to defer to the second half.

There is absolutely nothing in the rules that says that the team kicking off must kick it deep to the other team; they reserve the right to attempt an onsides or a "pooch" kick or even kick it out of bounds. (The latter is a penalty that gives the other team the ball automatically at their 35 yard line.) If their kicker is strong enough, they can even choose to kick it out of the end zone, which would be a touchback, with the receiving team getting the ball on the 20.

Now, an onside kick in normal times is risky enough, since the other team is more likely to expect it and adjust accordingly with their "good hands team". But considering the gambling habits of Sean Payton, the elongated halftime show, the closeness of the game, and the rewards of getting the ball back and preventing Peyton Manning and the Colts O from getting their hands on the ball; wouldn't it be more than just an afterthought for the Colts coaching staff to expect something to happen? I mean, this is the freakin' Super Bowl, for crying out loud.

And besides that, the Colts did in fact have more than enough opportunity to recover the kick, both with Steve Baskett getting his arms and helmet on the ball, and with the ensuing 4 minute scrum. (More on that later.)

Although it was a legal play by existing NFL rules, there has always been an unwritten rule, a gentleman's rule that you do not attempt an onside kick to start a half.

At any other time on a kickoff, fine, but when you win the coin toss, you only get to receive the ball to start a half once. You don't get to break the rack in nine-ball 2 times in a row.

That would be greedy. 

"A gentleman's rule???"  HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!!  Oh, pulllleeeeeeeze.

I mean, what does Stevie expect? Jim Caldwell and Sean Payton to meet with the officials before the game and reveal their game plans to each other?? Teams run onside kicks all the time, just as they run fake punts, fake spikes, fake field goals, and all other kinds of trickeration. Running an onside kick when you are ahead 40-0 would definitely be dirty pool and bad sportsmanship....but down by 4 points in a Super Bowl?? As an attempt to get your offense the ball and keep their offense off the field and cold?? Especially when you really think that it will actually work??

Yes, there is a high risk and real punishment if it doesn't work (Colts get the ball in Saints territory), but I guess that Coach Payton trusted enough both his defense to make the critical stop, if it did fail,  AND his special teams ability to make the play, to take that risk. The only thing that makes it "dirty pool", when it comes down to it, is that IT WORKED, and that the Saints capitalized on it to score the touchdown that put them ahead. Too bad, Stevie, but that's football for 'ya.

While many see Sean Payton's gamble as a tribute to his genius and will hail him for his aggressiveness, I see it as blemish on an otherwise respectable game between two evenly-matched teams.

If by "many" he means "anyone not an obsessed and obtuse Colts fan who thought that they were entitled to win this game merely because of the horseshoe on their helmets and Peyton Manning's golden arm", then he is totally correct. And, like I said in the previous paragraph, it's only a "blemish" because the Saints recovered and ultimately won; if it had gone the other way and Indy had gone on to win the game, I'm sure that Stevie would be more than magnamanous enough to give the Saints credit for their boldness. 

Yeah, right...more than likely Stevie would be totally smacking Payton down for making such a stooooopid and risky call that let his team down the river and revealed his "25th ranked defense" to be ransacked by RoboQB.

To be a true champion, you play the game between the lines. There is no need to resort to cheap tricks. Let there be no mistake: the Saints outplayed the Colts and deserved to win for the most part.

I say for "the most part" because the game was in the balance until late in the fourth quarter. During Sean Payton's Monday morning news conference on NFL network, he appeared humble.

Perhaps he felt somewhere inside that his decision did not need to be made to win, but since it had been made, a lot of people will forever associate this game and him as a coach with that play.

Notice that "for the most part" disclaimer...as if there was a part of Stevie that hoped that the Saints would get drilled and dissected by Air Peyton....and were it not for that onside kick, that would have probably happened. As if Tracy Porter's Pick-6 didn't happen.  Or, Johnathan Vilma's break up of that long pass play at the start of the fourth quarter that led to Matt Stover's missed FG would not have happened.  Or, Drew Brees's last drive where he just blew through Indy's D in eight plays.

As for Payton's show of humility.....well, perhaps he's a coach that understands that Scoreboard says it all.

As I see it, the play did not determine the ultimate outcome. It could be argued by some that it greatly affected the outcome.

If the Colts had received a regular kickoff, and they had scored a TD, it would have been 17-6 Colts rather than the 13-10 Saints that it did indeed become when the Saints drove the field.

That does not mean that the Colts would have won.

The Saints could have mounted a comeback. After all, they showed that they had the greater will to win, the greater hunger to lift the Lombardi trophy.

If the play didn't affect the outcome as you see it, Stevie, then why make such a capital offense of it?? And, is it really definite that if the Colts had indeed recovered the kick, they would have automatically driven on the Saints and scored the touchdown?? Remember, they went 3-and-out the last time they had the ball.

Yes, 17-6 Colts (or even 13-6 Colts) would make it a different game than 13-10 Saints....but remember that the Colts did manage to drive down and score after that to make it 17-13 Colts...so, really, why make such a big deal of it? 

Oh...and how forgiving of you, Stevie, to say that the Saints had "the greater will" and "the greater hunger". Maybe you might go ahead and say that they were also, you know, THE BETTER TEAM, at least that night?

Was it really a gamble by Payton?

With the Colts adeptness at making half-time adjustments, it was looming pretty large that they were going to drive for a touchdown on their first second-half possession.

If the Colts were likely to score anyway, gambling on an onside kick that could have given the Colts the ball at the Saints own 40-yard line didn't really have that much downside anyway.

Sez you??  For someone who supposedly calls this game as a match between "two evenly matched teams", you sure have a way of dismissing the Saints D, and assuming that Manning would simply plow through them.  As if Greg Williams can't make adjustements, too??  And...what about the adjustments made by the Colts D to stop Drew Brees?? I guess that that doesn't matter too much, either. since the only way for the Saints to win is to either play dirty and knock Manning out of the game or play "dirty pool" with onside kicks. They clearly can't win with fundamental football, can they?? Yes, they can....and they did.

Finally, there is the question of who actually recovered the ball. The ball bounced around a few times and led to one of the ugliest and worst regulated scrums in NFL history.

The officials did very little to pull players off the pile. Small fights were breaking out at the sides without flags being thrown. The last we saw of the ball on replays it was between the legs of one prone Saints player and Hank Baskett was diving on top of it.

Is this what we want in a Super Bowl?

To throw scraps of food into the air of a courtyard and watch wild dogs go at it. The onside was not only a blemish on the game for being a cheap and dirty parlor trick. It was also a blemish because it was not a clean play. It was not a clean recovery of a live ball. Is that what we wish to see in the NFL on its greatest stage?

I think not.

 

Ahhh....newsflash, Stevie: FOOTBALL ISN'T PRETTY...at least, not always. It's a brutal, physical sport. And no more brutal than when there's a loose, live football in a Super Bowl, and everyone is scratching, clawing, gouging eyes, and grabbing packages to get control of the pigskin. Of course, with such a key play in the balance, the officials want to make sure of the proper call.

And, once again...would it be anywhere near as ugly for you, Stevie, if the Colts had been given the ball??

Finally, Stevie concludes his rant with a suggestion for the NFL:

My proposal then is that the NFL needs to make a rule change to prevent what happened in Sunday's Super Bowl between the Colts and the Saints from ever occurring again.

Starting next season, an onside kick may be attempted on any kickoff except for those starting a half. There's no point in having a coin toss if the team that wins it can decide, "Screw it! We are going to take the ball to start the second half too."

Oh, WOW.  So, in order to soothe Stevie's conscience about his team being denied their entitlement, the NFL must change their rules to prevent coaches from ever tricking them again with onside kicks to start halfs or games.  Never mind that the risk of failure for onside kicks gives great rewards to the other team; or that it is already rare for coaches to even attempt such plays....we must punish coaches for even taking the risk. Why don't we ban flea flickers, or the "Wildcat" formation, or gunners, too?? Why not require wide receivers to have only "80's" numbers...doesn't that hurt the game as well by confusing them with quarterbacks and running backs??  Why does Dallas Clark get away with wearing #44...isn't he supposed to be a tight end?? How is that not a violation of the essential rules of the game??

If Stevie can play that game, than so can I.  I propose that the NFL change their rules to prevent teams that spike the ball to stop the clock from faking spikes and running plays.  Also, those "double audibles" by Peyton Manning are certainly uncalled for....why should he be allowed that much time to read a defense? Just one audible per snap should do.

Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it??  But no more so than to grip and moan about an onside kick that just happened to go against your team...and then propose to change the rules to your advantage merely because your team ended up losing the Super Bowl.

 

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UPDATE:  Steve Montana just posted a follow-up sequel post at The Bleacher Report attempting to justify his earlier rant. I'll save you a response for sake of time; just more of the same rationalization in the face of getting drilled by comments (and even publically on ESPN2's Sports Nation show).

This FanPost was written by a reader and member of Canal Street Chronicles. It does not necessarily reflect the views of CSC and its staff or editors.

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A new low.

Have fun with that “Gentleman’s agreement” trophy, we’re gonna keep our Lombardi.

Snap, place, kick! And it's good! It's good! It's goo-hoo-hood! Pigs have flown! Hell Has frozen over! The Saints are going to the Superbowl!

by Joseph William Stern on Feb 13, 2010 4:10 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah- and then we really played even dirtier and ignored the "gentleman's rules" when we went for a 2pt conversion!!!

"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking

by Philinwood on Feb 13, 2010 4:17 PM CST reply actions  

Another rule change- when an offense controls the ball for more than 12 successive plays- or 8 minutes or

more than 80% of a quarter- they have to immediately turn the ball over to the other team since it is no longer a fair situation and would speak of being “ungentlemanly.”

"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking

by Philinwood on Feb 13, 2010 4:22 PM CST reply actions  

LOL!!!!

Yeah…you know how much time of possession is overrated, right?? We just can’t deny Peyton Manning his well deserved touches, you know??

Then again, that would still probably be considered an disadvantage for Stevie, since the Saints would still score quickly with less than 8 possessions. ;-p

Next thing you know, he’ll be clamoring to reduce the number down to…say, 6 plays.

Delusional freak.

Anthony

by Anthony_JK on Feb 13, 2010 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

The guy is just a sore loser (no matter what he says)

If the Colts did the same thing, neither of these articles get written. Since a Colts’ weakness was taken advantage of, what is the first thing he as a Colts fan advocates for???? A rule change of course. Just like in 2004.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Feb 13, 2010 4:28 PM CST reply actions  

NFL is an equal opportunity organization

1. both sides had equal opportunities to recover that ball.
2. if blame is to be placed put it on the Colts Jim Caldwell for underestimating that special teams play
3. Fault vegas for giving colts fans a false sense of security with the point spread.
4. Fault 99% of sports broadcasters that went on record and stated essentially the "Saints defense doesn’t stand a chance against the GOLDEN BOY PAYTON MANNING.

It always amazes me that no one who made the comments of the “SP dirty tricks” Never found fault with Payton Manning’s late 4th quarter INT for 6pts.

The weakness of the colts organization is relying on payton manning too much.
Playmakers can only make certain plays for so long.

In retrospect, last two years was relying on Drew too much.
Maybe it would be intelligent to take some advice and give Manning some help.

No person is a one man recking crew in the NFL,
A QB needs his O-line to keep him safe along with WRs who can catch balls
Also the QB depends on his O-line, TE RB, WR, to be better than the defense they are facing.

Yes you did have more than 100yrds on offense than we did, but that was all payton manning.
Our defense produced more favorable outcomes along with our special teams paying a nearly perfect game.

The colts are however my 2nd favorite team, but please lets use a little rational thinking.

“Why can’t we be friends, why can’t we be friends,Why can’t we be friends, why can’t we be friends,Why can’t we be friends, why can’t we be friendsWhy can’t we be friends, why can’t we be friends…………….”?

by jeremysherwin on Feb 13, 2010 4:58 PM CST reply actions  

I CANT READ ANYMORE...

DUDE, YOU LOST. THE SAINTS ARE SUPER BOWL XLIV CHAMPS!!

by jray2000 on Feb 13, 2010 5:04 PM CST reply actions  

He fails to mention that a Colts player was the FIRST one to touch the ball after the "Ambush" kick.

Said player just needs to be reminded that it’s better to catch the ball with his hands rather than the top of his freakin’ helmet.

Football 101.

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on Feb 13, 2010 6:13 PM CST reply actions  

LMN'sO !! JND. Exactly !!

 Just amazes me. This was one of the cleanest and most entertaining Super Bowls in memory and some still grasp at 1/2 straws for excuses! If the Colts would have recovered that ambush on sides kick, the same moron would have been saying how cool it was on the Colts part and dumb on Saints ! Gentlemens agreement my butt!

by saints-fan-in-miss on Feb 14, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Why Kick off in the first place ????????

The rules should have said……….Well. you guys didn’t get it the first half so you can have it in the second half for free on the 40 yard line ????…………..I see a rivalry brewing yeah.

My Magnificent Black and Gold Warriors

by saint-sly on Feb 13, 2010 7:50 PM CST reply actions  

Wasn't it Haslett

 Who started the game with Atlanta once with an onsides kick! Not one dirty bird cried dirty pool! Because it is cool. Doesn’t happen often because the kicking teams coach risks looking like an idiot. Well, and most don’t have Paytons balls. In a Super Bowl at that!!

by saints-fan-in-miss on Feb 14, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

It's not "dirty" anything because it's a HUGE risk.

HUGE!

Pigs have flown! Hell has frozen over! The Saints HAVE WON the Superbowl!!

by Dan Kelly on Feb 14, 2010 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't wait for Superbowl XLV when the Saints pull "Ambush" on the opening kickoff! LMAO!!!

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on Feb 13, 2010 8:05 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

This is just laughably stupid

I love the whole “unwritten rule” angle. If it was a rule, it would be written.

"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010

by SaintBevo on Feb 13, 2010 8:19 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Guess we wont be able to Razoo next year

Iffin you cant onside kick, I guess razooing da ball is outta da question too. It is even more ungemntleman like, stripping da ball, or interceptng it in midair, when it’s plainly not thrown to our guy. Shame on you Porter, you shouldn’t have picked off those passes. promise you wont do it anymore, or we will get rid of you!!!! Cant have no disrespecting ungentlemanly type people on our team. NO SIR!!!!!

I like it!! I love it!! I want some mo of it!! Supa Bowl Rings, Dat Is!!

by Big Bru on Feb 13, 2010 9:01 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

OMG.....LOL...The delusions just get worse.

You just gotta read this comment from ""Greg Cronk", who fancies himself as a Carolina Panthers fan.


I’m not a Colts fan nor am I a Saints fan, I’ve been faithful to the Panthers since they were formed in 95, largely since I live just about 20 minutes from BoA Stadium. But I have to say there are a lot of things going on in the NFL that I really consider “Dirty Pool”. Not only the second half kickoff which really shocked me, it showed just how afraid the Saints were of Manning. But also I’m seriously disappointed in the lack of good old fashioned core elements the Saints team showed, and not just them but a large portion of the NFL. When you watched the two defenses play there was a remarkable difference in how they tackled. The Colts D was much more prone to wrapping a guy up and dragging him to the ground (The Proper Way), while the Saints would consistently drop down and take a guys legs out from under him (Improper and something that a lot of D’s are doing now). Intentionally hitting below the knees should be addressed it only leads to more and more knee and ankle injuries. If this was a banned action I doubt the Saints would even have been playing in the Superbowl as it was hits like that that shook up the Vikings and Farve late in the NFC Championship game.

While the Colts lost I will say they played a much cleaner game, and showed better fundamentals in their play, too bad that doesn’t always equate to points

Yeah, right….the Saints were so scared of Manning that they managed to outscore him and his team 21-7 in the second half.

And for that great “fundamental tackling”: would that include all those missed tackles and air whiffs that Indy defenders were giving the Saints offense during that drive where they took the lead? I mean, they sure were able to tackle sure once our receivers were ten yards past the line of scrimmage. Especially on the Robert Meachem naked WR screen…I counted three sure fundamental tackles on that play alone.

Better fundamentals. Yeah.

BTW….a shoutout to the Panthers for making the job easier for the Saints by toppling Arizona and Minnesota in the regular season. Thanks, guys!!

Anthony

by Anthony_JK on Feb 13, 2010 10:38 PM CST reply actions  

wrapping a guy up and dragging him to the ground (The Proper Way), while the Saints would consistently drop down and take a guys legs out from under him (Improper and something that a lot of D’s are doing now).

Stunning. I’m stunned.

And those gold pants… the glare… not only is it in bad taste, it is an unfair advantage due to the glare it imposes on the opposition while attempting to advance the ball…. oh Jesus1000.

But yes I think it can be very easily done.
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And have it on Highway 61.

by stujo4 on Feb 13, 2010 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

"wrapping a guy up and dragging him to the ground (The Proper Way)"

Well, we have established that this turd has never played anything but fantasy football.

The “proper way” is to bend at the knees, put your shoulder in his chest, wrap your arms around his waist, lift him 10 inches into the air, and slam him into the ground so his heart is wrapped around his spinal cord like wet candle wax. Oh yeah, and smile all the while!

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on Feb 13, 2010 11:33 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

JND

Sometimes words can’t ‘wrap’ up a situation in the proper and complete way…. And then you come along and manage to do exactly that perfectly.

We Believed.

by VoodooGrisGris on Feb 15, 2010 8:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I forgot to ask you if you've been back to Van Diemens since the game?

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on Feb 15, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope

I moved…. new neighborhood bar. Dixie Grill… and omg they make REAL Muffalettas there just as good as Central Grocery.. I am going to get fat. Plus they have Abita Beer… and decent Red Beans and Rice which I had for lunch today. It being Laundry day and all ya know.

Don’t love the bartenders there so much but it was a fun place to watch the Super Bowl. All the bartenders don’t have a CLUE about New Orleans or the flavor of a New Orleans bar…

But oh well…

We Believed.

by VoodooGrisGris on Feb 15, 2010 11:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow!

Dixie Grill, Muffalettas, Abita Beer, and Red Beans and Rice. Sounds like the Northernmost parish of Louisiana! I’m sure you’re going to give ’em a good education.

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on Feb 16, 2010 12:43 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL

Already have when the bartender gave four people standing to my right and left and behind me a shot and Did NOT give me one… I said…

“Where are you from” Because in LA if a Bartender is giving shots… they don’t leave one person out of five out just because they don’t know them."

Southern Hospitality 101…. she took it well.

We Believed.

by VoodooGrisGris on Feb 16, 2010 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of Jesus1000...

Anybody know why his most recent post got banned?

In Breesus' name we play

by Breesus Christ Superstar on Feb 14, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Common sense prevailed. Kudos to those responsible. Amen.

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on Feb 14, 2010 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Basic violations of site rules. Good thing we don’t get fined for doing that. Put it on my tab, Saintsational Dave!

"...while the Saints would consistently drop down and take a guys legs out from under him (Improper...)"

by stujo4 on Feb 14, 2010 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Bet you have a tab like "Norm" from Cheers!

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on Feb 15, 2010 3:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, some of us helped him express his thoughts most thoroughly.

"...while the Saints would consistently drop down and take a guys legs out from under him (Improper...)"

by stujo4 on Feb 15, 2010 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

what about

all those “fundamental tackles” that pierre thomas was bouncing off of all game?

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by greenwald200 on Feb 14, 2010 2:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Yea Colts were much more gentlemanly. Freeny was so nice with that jersy tackle of Brees.

I didn’t think anything was wrong with it before I read all about the gentlemens rule book in the NFL.

by saints-fan-in-miss on Feb 14, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

I wondered about that

I asked my husband is taking him down like that by the jersey was even legal. So it is or isn’t allowed?

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious." - Vince Lombardi

by SarahT on Feb 14, 2010 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Jersey, yes (I think), neck/shoulderpad, no. So he was right there on the borderline but he wasn’t illegal as I understand it.

For those who can't remember the uncapped FA rules, this link's for you.

by FriarBob on Feb 14, 2010 11:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with a jersey tackle.

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on Feb 15, 2010 1:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Cronk on Chronic?

Or is he just crunked too? Where do these people come up with these ideas.
Are we not supposed to be playing a football game? Didnt realize that it has become a golf match, and we have to call penalties on ourselves now. Why do they hire the Zebras? Speaking of which, heard about Colts players whining about the “no holding” calls. After watching the replay on the great NFL Network, saw a few holding calls on the Colts that went unflagged, also.
As I have told all the “Stat Purists” from the Blue Cult, stats are for losers and people who know nothing about the game other than what they have read or someone has told them. Apparently they have never played the game on a competitive level.

I like it!! I love it!! I want some mo of it!! Supa Bowl Rings, Dat Is!!

by Big Bru on Feb 14, 2010 7:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Or maybe that's why they stopped playing the game -

because it was on a competitive level.

Some folks just don’t have the gonads for that sort of thing.

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on Feb 14, 2010 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I love it

When people refer to that Favre High/Low tackle and no one mentions that McCray was PUSHED into Favre’s ankle from behind by Favre’s OWN lineman…..

by Lil_joe692 on Feb 16, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

And held before that.

For those who can't remember the uncapped FA rules, this link's for you.

by FriarBob on Feb 16, 2010 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry...that should be 25-7.

Mind’s playing tricks on me again.

Anthony

by Anthony_JK on Feb 13, 2010 11:09 PM CST reply actions  

Pacifier donation

Hey – whiney baby – my 2yo has outgrown her noonoos. Send me your address and I’ll express mail them over so you can quit crying yourself to sleep only to dream of the KICK.hahahahahahahahahahahahahah …. ha

by StDrew on Feb 13, 2010 11:14 PM CST reply actions  

Beyond Belief

I can’t believe – well I guess I can – but this pitiful. Has this guy ever played football? I played into college and now coach 7th and 8th graders which is really focused on the fundamentals and we always coach to tackle low – take out the legs and they can’t go through you. With the size difference in players that’s the only true equalizer, take the legs and you stop the power and the elusiveness. Since when has strategic coaching become illegal? When it goes against your team? That is the most patently ridiculous statement I’ve seen – unwritten rules? Are you nuts? There’s a rule book that is already too big and full of junk, now because his team lost we have to go to a new set of “unwritten” rules to explain the loss. Just pitiful….

by BAMonty on Feb 13, 2010 11:30 PM CST reply actions  

he's obviously a closet colts homer

had the colts scored on their final drive, and then did an onsides kick, how is that any less dirty pool than doing it at the beginning of the second half? i’m sure he wouldn’t have complained a bit had that been the scenario. this guy is clearly a saints hater who is obviously upset that his secret favorite team lost. lol@not being a saints or a colts fan…YEAH RIGHT

"These two teams just should not play each other" ...John Madden during a 1991 Saints-Eagles game

by saintsfan77 on Feb 14, 2010 4:15 AM CST reply actions  

Sickening!!

And he clearly doesn’t have much of any concept regarding the game of football! He’s claiming that it was “dirty pool” to open the second half with the onsides kick. I’ll bet it would have been fine if the Colts had recovered! It’s a legal play, allbeit a trick play, that ANY team preparing to receive a kickoff AT ANY TIME should at least be aware of the posibility and be prepared for!! What an idiot…oh, and check out how he got slammed in the comments and look at the results of the voting choices as to whether it should be “outlawed” on the opening second half kick. Something like 99 percent against, with nearly 9000 votes. Think he can draw a conclusion from that??

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by SaintsFanMD on Feb 14, 2010 4:43 AM CST reply actions  

Weird

Since the Saints started their march to the superbowl some pretty strange things have happened.First the Saints win the coin toss against the Vikes and everybodies talking about changing the rule. No more coin toss in overtime. Now this.I have a weird feeling when the Saints win a few more Superbowls, the NFL will have to rewrite the rule book or else teams like Indy, Vike and panthers will want to take their ball and go home.

I'll be your huckleberry- Doc Holliday to Ringo

by KilnBill on Feb 14, 2010 8:14 AM CST reply actions  

They already DO want to take their ball and go home.

For those who can't remember the uncapped FA rules, this link's for you.

by FriarBob on Feb 14, 2010 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Well...Tampa Bay won the coin toss in the regular season game....

What’s good for the gander should be good for the goose, me thinks.

by Anthony_JK on Feb 14, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Washington won the coin-toss too... then they fumbled the ball to us.

Should we have given them a do-over?

Pigs have flown! Hell has frozen over! The Saints HAVE WON the Superbowl!!

by Dan Kelly on Feb 14, 2010 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

This dude is probably sitting on the floor eating cheeto's and peanut butter cups while

drinking Pink Koolaid and rubbing on himself.. How can he make a determination on how football is played with all that on his mind?? What a reach for a reason why games are won or lost……………Go read Beetle Bailey for more information on how the game is played………….Fool.

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by saint-sly on Feb 14, 2010 8:41 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

1. Limiting your opponent’s possessions equates to a TOP advantage.

2. TOP advantages win games.

3. If success was guaranteed, EVERY kickoff should be an onsides kick. Think “Make em, Take ’em” in pickup basketball. Stop the other team, force them to punt, then run the same fail-proof stratagem yourself, until they stop you.

4. If a head coach truly believes his team cannot stop the other team’s offense, you’re absolutely correct. There’d be no disadvantage to onsides kicking. They’d score either way. A shorter field would quite likely equate to less snaps, thereby giving the kicking team more time to work with in order to answer that inevitable score.

5. As long as you’re consistent on offense and maintain scoring drives yourself, it doesn’t matter how quickly or often your opponent scores. See Reggie Bush’s two punt returns for TDs against the Vikings. How did that work out for the Saints? If I remember correctly, they lost the game. If onside punts were a LEGAL OPTION, it likely wouldn’t have been as close as it was, as Minnesota would have likely attempted to avoid their perceived bane, just as the Saints did against Indy.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Feb 14, 2010 11:03 AM CST reply actions  

CP!

Oh whew… the world is right again.

He’s back!

We Believed.

by VoodooGrisGris on Feb 14, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep. He's got TOP and he knows how to use it!

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

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by Just 'Nother Day on Feb 14, 2010 6:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Not so sure about that.

To points #1 and #2: Time of possession is important, but only if you take full advantage of it and score. Remember, Minnesota both out gained and out-posessioned the Saints during the NFC Championship game…but due to the seven turnovers and the INT’s, couldn’t take enough advantage to win.

#3: Of course, onside kicks are not that successful under normal circumstances…but the second half of a Super Bowl is anything but normal.

#4: On the contrary: I really think that a coach could decide to run an onside kick as much because of his confidence of his D in stopping the other guy as in getting his offense more PT on the field (and keeping the other O off the field as well). Payton did consult with Greg Williams for support that if the onside kick had failed, his D would do their best to control Manning.

#5: When was that game where Reggie had those two punt returns?? And, Minnesota could have resorted to other means to neutralize Bush’s return threat, such as kicking away from him, or pooch kicking, or kicking out of bounds.

Anthony

by Anthony_JK on Feb 14, 2010 12:10 PM CST reply actions  

1 & 2. The Saints netted seven points out of the extra possession. I would consider that taking full advantage of the extra TOP.

3. An onside kick is most successful when it’s not expected by the receiving team. The opening kickoff of either half of any game seems to fit neatly into that category.

4. Considering the Colts offense moved the ball at will on a 96 yard TD drive, I’ll go out on a limb and say they were looking to prevent that (a time-consuming scoring drive) from happening again. The defense is going to do their best to control the other team on every series, regardless of where they take possession. It’s when your best isn’t cutting the mustard, that calculated risk more often than not comes into play.

5. I was last October. Why do you ask? Was TOP calculated differently back then? And you’re right, Minnesota could have kicked out of bounds, but that also shortens the field and offers absolutely no chance of an avoided possession. On top of which, punt placement in an inexact science. Kluwe even admitted he was trying to kick it out of bounds on Bush’s second TD return. My point in bringing that game up wasn’t based on Minnesota’s hypothetical advantage, btw. It was to illustrate the very real disadvantage of scoring too quickly. If the other team is scoring just as efficiently (i.e., answering the seven), then it’s a wash at best. That wasn’t the case in the Super Bowl. The Colts weren’t scoring quickly. They were Addai and Clarking the Saints to death underneath, methodically controlling the tempo of the game. That’s the polar opposite of Reggie and a cloud of dust. One routinely wins games, the other routinely makes the ESPN highlight reel, win or lose.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Feb 14, 2010 8:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I rec'd this article

Great point – counter point… I enjoyed every bit of it.

However; personally.

I don’t give a flying flicker flea for what those poor sad excuse makers and whiners have to say at any level at all except perhaps for the amusement level we get when one of ours writes this type of article.

Except I am so bored with the Colts and their nambie pambie, crybaby, immature and no offense ladies… teen age girl grousing.

If you can’t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen ladies and by ladies I mean all those colts fans. You would think someone beat them out of a purse at a department store sale.

We Believed.

by VoodooGrisGris on Feb 14, 2010 2:53 PM CST reply actions  

Speaking of Flea Flickers

Wouldnt that classify as an ungentlemanly play, by deliberately tricking the defense into thinking you are going to run the ball, then throw a deep pass to a wide open receiver, man that is cheating according to these jerking off experts.
I guess a play action pass play will be next thing that is outlawed. Dont even think aboout running a reverse or double reverse.
Next thing ya know, we will have to play with at least one hand tied behind our back and an extra think rubber mitten on the other hand. I guess everything was good as long as we were losing all of those years and the big & tuf cowboys & steelers were running wild in the league. Now that the Cardinals & Saints have been making it to the SB, we must now change the rules.
These guys are enough to make the Pope break out into a mad rash of masterbation.

I like it!! I love it!! I want some mo of it!! Supa Bowl Rings, Dat Is!!

by Big Bru on Feb 14, 2010 3:52 PM CST reply actions  

Jeff Duncan, opportunity knocks. Oh sorry. Payton hates him, doesn’t he?

"...while the Saints would consistently drop down and take a guys legs out from under him (Improper...)"

by stujo4 on Feb 15, 2010 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

The play action pass should be illegal

by howarjo1943 on Feb 15, 2010 4:31 AM CST reply actions  

no doubt... that's just rude to those unsuspecting defensive backfields. poor guys.

Pigs have flown! Hell has frozen over! The Saints HAVE WON the Superbowl!!

by Dan Kelly on Feb 15, 2010 8:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Steve Montana

A gentleman’s rule does not apply to football only the NFL rules apply, therefore any legal play according to the NFL apply, what is it that you do not understand.
You sir are no gentleman, now go crawl in a hole and study the NFL rules so next year you my become a NFL gentleman.

by Deckape 69 on Feb 15, 2010 10:36 AM CST reply actions  

Steve Montana - he's no Norman Einstein

"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." Bobby McCray

by Hans Petersen on Feb 15, 2010 12:03 PM CST reply actions  

Or Hack Nicklaus

The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb

by Tim Goad on Feb 15, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I just noticed the name...

Steve – Montana

You think that’s fake?

I guess is sounds better than “Joe Young”?

Pigs have flown! Hell has frozen over! The Saints HAVE WON the Superbowl!!

by Dan Kelly on Feb 15, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Nanoo, Nannoo

"Sometimes there's just not enough rocks". Forrest Gump

by CaddoCoonass on Feb 15, 2010 8:56 PM CST reply actions  

I think craig and stevey boy should do the world a favor...

They should kill themselves to make sure either one of them idiots fathers a child, we have enough idiots in this world already…

by bigbaddon on Feb 15, 2010 9:49 PM CST reply actions  

Steve is as bogus as Hanna!

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on Feb 18, 2010 1:31 AM CST reply actions  

They can't deal with it...

This just confirms my suspicion that fans of the other 31 teams can’t handle the way the Saints play football.

I, like everyone else, was shocked by the on side kick. As soon as they did it I thought, as most Saints fans thought, CLASSIC SEAN PAYTON.

If other fans can’t handle a coach with balls, well maybe the Saints aren’t for you.

As for us in Who Dat Nation, we can take comfort in knowing we back the best and also gutsiest team in football!

Perhaps Steve Montana should follow a more gentlemanly sport like Polo or something because he clearly doesn’t know a damn thing about football. What a bitch.

by The Upsetter on Feb 18, 2010 5:03 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

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