Analyzing the Saints 2010 Free Agents: Defensive Line
Time now for the final installment of our examination and analysis of Saints free agents this off-season. We're ending it all by discussing the Saints defensive line today.
Interesting to note that of the five players included on this list, four of them play defensive tackle meaning the Saints will have some decisions to make with regard to what direction they want to go with the interior line.
So who needs new contracts and to whom will the Saints offer them? Read on and find out.
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Uncapped 2010 off-season disclaimer...
Throughout this series of posts, it's important to keep in mind the very real possibility that a new CBA will not be reached this off-season and that the 2010 season will uncapped. This means that any 4th or 5th year players, who would normally be unrestricted, instead become restricted. For our purposes here, we have assumed there will be no new CBA and are considering these players restricted. This is represented by an asterisk(*). In the unlikely event that a new CBA is reached before the 2010 season, these players would then be considered unrestricted.
Also keep in mind that because of the top eight provision, the Saints will not be allowed to sign any unrestricted free agents unless they let the equal value of unrestricted free agents go.
Anthony Hargrove
Defensive Tackle/End
Restricted Free Agent*
Analysis: Hargrove has been the feel-good story of the year and his play last season won over a lot of fans, myself included. He's got a non-stop motor, always seems to play aggressive and has a nose for making big things happen when he's on the field. His versatility is also a definite bonus. Thanks to the uncapped season, it's more likely we'll get to see Hargrove in a Saints uniform next year.
Opinion: No way they let him go.
Jeff Charleston
Defensive End
Restricted Free Agent
Analysis: In his limited role as a backup, Charleston has played admirably. He may never have the talent to be a full-time starter but adds good depth and his contributions on special teams also make him more of an asset. I'm thinking the Saints will decide to keep him around.
Opinion: He stays.
Kendrick Clancy
Defensive Tackle
Unrestricted Free Agent
Analysis: This might finally be the year the Saints part ways with Clancy, who spent most of the championship season on injured reserve. Defensive tackle is probably going to be a focus for the team in the draft; with so many other tackles on the roster, the aging Clancy is probably the one to get the boot.
Opinion: Buh-bye.
Rodney Leisle
Defensive Tackle
Restricted Free Agent
Analysis: Leisle was brought in late last season when injuries were taking a toll on the inside of the defensive line, played only one game and registered only one tackle. I highly doubt the Saints pay him anything.
Opinion: No contract.
Remi Ayodele
Defensive Tackle
Restricted Free Agent
Analysis: I was very surprised when I checked Ayodele's statistics from the 2009 season; for some reason I didn't realize how much he actually played and contributed. I'm not saying he's great by any means, but he wasn't the bench warming backup I, for some reason, had imagined in my head. Ayodele started thirteen games this past season. Where was I? Regardless, all of this is to say that I imagine the Saints will keep Ayodele and hope he becomes a quality second team player.
Opinion: Stays a Saint.
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DT is our single biggest need
We’ve got to add talent here.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Feb 22, 2010 7:37 AM CST reply actions
I disagree, but I would like to see them get better at the position.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
How are we going to control TOP
if we can’t stop the run up front?
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Feb 22, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Seems like they did a pretty good job of plugging the middle most of the season. It was the off tackle stuff that was breaking our back the majority of the time. I don’t know what another first round DT does to shore that up, other than free up our slow as molasses LBs to make tackles eight yards up the field more often on occasional double teaming. I listened to that song and dance when they traded up to get Ellis and it didn’t seem to make much of a difference at all in 2008. Against the pass, Grant and Smith’s sack totals nosedived that season, as compared to 2007. When Pressley (a lower round pick), Ayodele, Hargrove, etc., were added to the mix this season, those same sack totals went back up. What does that tell you? It tells me that unless your interior defensive linemen are completely dominant — which even Ellis hasn’t been — then you may as well not waste first round picks on them. At 32nd overall, odds are you’re not going to get anyone even as good as Ellis, much less better, so why not stick with what you already have in the beef department and try the direct approach this time: better containment and/or pressure outside? I mean, if I saw vast improvement in either phase of the defense that was directly attributable to Ellis, then I might say ok, we definitely need another one of those. Being that I haven’t, coupled with the fact that I’ve been staring at the same two mighty whiteys making little to no impact in either phase of the game since they’ve been starting, I’m ready to throw the displacement theory out the window and tackle the bull by the horns. Solid players at both positions should be there, I’m just sick of sitting around waiting for a blue chip OLB to land in our laps in later rounds. It hasn’t happened in eons. Cie Grant, Alfred Fincher, blah blah blah. No mas. Get me a Brian Cushing or a Jon Beason this time out. If a Red Bryant is there in Round 4 and you feel particularly inclined to roll the dice on another larda** who’ll inevitably spend the first 24 to 36 months of his professional career becoming acclimated to the Louisiana humidity, then be my guest. Suh’s an Albert Haynesworth caliber freak of nature. He’s not even included in this conversation. We aren’t sniffing his jock strap, unless Mike Ditka happens to get involved in the negotiations to trade up. Any other DT can wait, imo. If no stud OLB is there and you REALLY want to focus on TOP, I’d rather see them trade down several spots, snap up Gerhart on a reach if need be, THEN use the extra pick + 2nd rounder to shore up the DL at both DE and DT. There’s your answer, btw. Run the ball more consistently ourselves, while adding a couple of more big uglies in the middle rounds.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
are you hoping the uglies will bump?
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." Bobby McCray
by Hans Petersen on Feb 22, 2010 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
Agree and disagree
I never said we should use our first pick on a DT. I agree that the top talent at the position will be gone by 32. I think we could get one in FA, trade or find value in later rounds. Of course we won’t sniff Suh, he’ll be taken first overall.
I agree that OLB is a big need and would also help with run support.
Disagree with your assessment of Ellis. When he was hurt, he was noticeably missed in run support. (the atlanta game comes to mind). A big DT makes the linebackers better because they often free the LB from a block. (Think of Ray Lewis drop in production after Goose retired and its return when they drafted a big DT a couple of years later)
Ultimately at pick 32, I think we go with best available talent regardless of position. We just won the superbowl and don’t have any needs so glaring that we need to reach in the 1st round to make a pick based on need.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Feb 22, 2010 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
I never said we should use our first pick on a DT. I agree that the top talent at the position will be gone by 32.
Pretty deep DT draft this year, six guys ranked 5 stars at scout.com:
DT 1 Ndamukong Suh SR 6-4/300/- Nebraska Portland, OR
DT 2 Gerald McCoy JR 6-4/289/- Oklahoma Oklahoma City, OK
DT 3 Dan Williams SR 6-2/329/- Tennessee Memphis, TN
DT 4 Brian Price JR 6-1/270/- UCLA Los Angeles, CA
DT 5 Jared Odrick SR 6-5/301/- Penn State Lebanon, PA
DT 6 Terrence Cody SR 6-4/370/- Alabama Fort Myers, FL
And with 5 star players ranked all the way down to #59, it’s going to be a GOOD draft. (Thanks to whoever first posted this, I’ve been looking at it every day.)
Try to realize it's all within yourself
No one else can make you change
by the way, I'm retracting my coldpizza rec from earlier today
I’m thinking DT rather than OLB at #32. Yeah, because that’s what I read most recently and I don’t have an original thought in my head. Guilty. Sue me.
Hold the block on money flow
Move it into joint escrow
Court receiver, laughs and thrills
But in the end we just pay those lawyers their bills
Try to realize it's all within yourself
No one else can make you change
It wouldn’t bother me. OLB, DE, DT, OT, FS — particularly if Taylor Mays fell that far — a bigger RB, someone like Branden Albert, that could provide OL depth at a couple different positions. I’d be fine with any of that. Basically, as long as they’re not reaching for someone with no immediate value as a starter, I don’t care who they take at 32.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Leisle just cant stay healthy. Release him.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
I kind of agree.
The only difference is I don’t care if he can stay healthy. He is the first one I’d drop out of that group.
"Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth." --Mike Tyson
I think quite a few people misread the poll as who WOULD be kept rather than who would NOT be kept.
There is no way we get rid of Hargrove. Not deliberately at least.
For those who can't remember the uncapped FA rules, this link's for you.
I know I did, and yea, I voted for Hargrove. Whoops!
I remember Mel Gray, Barry Word, and the Dome Patrol. Before them, I was but a baby.
by NolaViaAustin on Feb 23, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
If we could trade for and sign a big DL in this
off-season, we would see a HUGE improvement in our D
We need fresh blood up front on D

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