Darren Sharper Impatient Over Lack of Contract Talks
The good news is that safety Darren Sharper really does enjoy it here in New Orleans and wants to return to win another championship. He told Steve Wyche of NFL.com yesterday...
"Hopefully things work out (with the Saints)..."
"...It's tough because the fan base is great, and we had something special and we have a chance to repeat. It would be bad if I wasn't able to return. We'll see if they make me an offer that is competitive."
Definitely what fans want to hear from one of the key players on this championship defense (did I just type that?).
The bad news is that he also expressed his dissatisfaction with the New Orleans Saints front office for not having offered him a contract yet and for not using the franchise tag on him.
"They said they want me back, but if you want someone back, why are you going to let them test the market?," Sharper said in a telephone interview Tuesday. "I don't know how much they want me back if they're allowing other teams to bid for my services. Being in this situation before, if a team is willing to let you test the market, they're willing to let you go."
Ummm...correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the veteran free agency period doesn't start until March 5th. And if my math is accurate that means the Saints technically have eight more days to offer him a contract before hitting the market. So, unless the Saints expressly told Sharper they weren't making an offer and he knows something we don't, I don't understand where all this doomsday rhetoric is coming from?
C'mon man, cut the team some slack; they're new to this whole winning the Super Bowl thing. Usually Saints officials have more time - like the entire month of January - to deal with off-season issues such as these. The organization and the city are just now coming down from the intoxication of victory followed directly by the inebriation of Mardi Gras debauchery. Unfortunately, that makes for one wicked hangover...
General Manager Mickey Loomis admitted the New Orleans Saints are "a bit behind" their normal schedule when it comes to free agency and the draft.
Loomis followed that up by saying, "We really wasted a lot of valuable man hours trying to find where Payton was hiding the Lombardi Trophy," and adding, "He wouldn't give the damn thing up." I kid, I kid.
Have no fear though, because Loomis and co. are back on track...
"And I think we're capable of catching up...
...We're severely limited in free agency, so the fact that we're behind a little bit isn't as tough on us,"
Besides, let's keep in mind this is the front office that just won a freaking Super Bowl. Who are we to criticize anything they do right now? They've earned that for at least a little while more. Only question remaining is how long the honeymoon lasts. But don't think they're gonna let it all go to their head and get jaded either...
"We need to have a critical eye when we evaluate and not be blinded by the euphoria that goes along with winning a championship," Loomis said. "I think one thing we have to be careful about is when you have a successful season, sometimes you don't use a critical eye. You still have to be honest with yourself. You have to stay true to your philosophies and pay attention and be self-critical. We need to do that and pay attention to weaknesses we have and holes we have on our team...
...We're going to pay attention to salary structure just like we always have."
No wonder Sharper's worried; even he's not a sure thing for a contract.
I think he could still show a little more patience with the Saints organization. There is time before free agency begins so his comments are a bit premature. New Orleans is a city that likes to take its time, whether it's cooking gumbo or winning Super Bowls. Surely D-Sharp can wait one more week.
Of course, I hope he gets what he wants and the Saints lock him up with a multi-year deal. If they do let him hit the free agency market however, Loomis better have a good reason. Otherwise, the honeymoon's over.
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I want Sharper back
But I don’t want him to do this media bs. And I don’t want to overpay for him. He’s good for us and he needs to make his pay good for us, too.
by xen-cuts on Feb 24, 2010 6:09 AM CST via mobile reply actions
again with the cost consciousness
You guys act like you get a bonus from the savings of beating down salary costs. When have the Saints ever said “We’re at the limit. Payroll is topped out.” Or “Our payroll is so high, we have no room to maneuver. Our hands are tied. We couldn’t pick up a free agent now if we had to.”
I hear my mom telling me to clean my plate, there are starving children overseas.
Try to realize it's all within yourself
No one else can make you change
Right. We didn't even pay our coach this year.
Remember Greg Williams? Isn’t there a confirmed story that he was paid at least in part by Sean Payton. It’s not like we are interested in just throwing numbers around. If Sharper’s number is obvious then fine, we should get it done. But I don’t want him to rape the rest of the team. There is no way we can get to the superbowl again without Sharper or an exact clone of him. He’s fantastic. But he’s not the only player. He has to fit in and his contract has to fit in. We aren’t the Steve Young 49ers NFL all star team.
He definitely lost some character points with me
with his comments to the media. It comes across as airing your squabbles with the front office to any and all who will listen. Maybe I’m being a Pollyanna here, but I think these things should be discussed between the two parties involved and leave the rest of the country out of it. Apparently Mickey Loomis has the same idea: “…Saints GM Mickey Loomis says he’s not ready to reveal the Saints’ plans for the Pro Bowl free safety….‘We know what we’re going to do, we’re going to keep that information… close to the vest,’ Loomis told WWL. ‘I don’t like talking about contracts, I think it’s a personal issue for players. It’s a business issue for our team, but it’s a personal issue for our players, and I want to respect that.’”
I would like to see Sharper extend the team the same courtesy and keep it classy. The Saints seem to prefer high-character, professional players (i.e., Brees), and I wouldn’t be surprised if his comments actually hurt his standing with the team rather than help his bargaining position.
Anyhow, it’s a smart move by the team to see what his market value actually is before deciding how much to offer him.
by So_Fla Saints Fan on Feb 25, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Are you all crazy?
There is no way the Saints go and win a Superbowl without Darren Sharper in the next 3 years.
You all should be screaming for him to get paid what he wants – even if that overpays and raises ticket prices to go see the team.
Sean Payton and Drew Brees = Greg Williams and Darren Sharper = Superbowl.
This is Mickey Loomis playing business (his ego) over another Superbowl Championship and the problem is that he’s got Sean Payton on his side. They got a plan in case Darren Sharper doesn’t sign with the team? What is that plan to fall short of a repeat Superbowl? Child please.
Excuse me but it was Tom Benson that tore up Sean Payton’s contract in order to get extended after the Tampa Bay win in 2008. Mickey Loomis was going to play hardball with even Sean Payton. Look not even Drew Brees has an extension on his contract yet when he should!
Darren Sharper raised the level of play defensively for the Saints to make Drew Brees a better quarterback. Even Drew Brees said that he couldn’t make a lot of throws he normally makes because of Darren Sharper. Drew Brees ought to be tweeting how they can keep Darren Sharper instead of about L.T.
These kind of safeties don’t grow on trees. Tell me Eric Berry played quarterback in high school or what rookie safety coming in is going to understand NFL pass concept routes? You think Tracy Porter would have made that INT in the Superbowl without Darren Sharper over the top?
by stephenlecomptejr on Feb 27, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sure he'll bring this up in his contract negotiations
The guy is phenomenal. But his media bs is irritating and trashy. He needs to not try to force the Saints to listen to him because they will cut his ass loose and then we’re all screwed. The Saints don’t like big attitudes.
I can see three possibilities here
The first is that Loomis is simply out of his mind and is playing financial chicken with Sharper. If that’s the case, he runs the risk of alienating first Sharper, then Gregg Williams, and finally Payton. So I put the probabiity of this scenario at around +.01.
The second is that the Saints genuinely believe that Sharper is done. His numbers did tail off in the second half of the season; and perhaps Williams believes he can reproduce last year’s results with another player (who? Jenkins? Young?). But even if they believe that, why not offer a contract, even if only a token one? If Sharper is willing to come back at the same money as last year (he’s not), he would be valuable as a mentor and locker room presence, if nothing else. And that’s still pretty valuable.
The third possibility is, I think, by far the most likely: Sharper is simply negotiating through the media. He’s playing the disrespect card, trying to put pressure on the front office to come up with a solid offer. But consider this: if he thought going into free agency was in his best interests—if he thought (or his agent thought) he really could command a bigger salary by leaving—then what’s the big deal? Sounding like a malcontent, even for justifiable reasons, doesn’t increase your chances of catching on with another team. So all in all, I suspect there is actually some sort of understanding about the range of salary that will be offered, and Sharper is trying to better his bargaining position. It won’t work…Payton and Loomis cut Deuce. They won’t hesitate to say goodbye to Sharper if they believe it’s a better option for the team than keeping him at a too-high salary would be.
"You think Einstein walked around thinkin' everyone was a bunch of dumb sh*ts?" --not J.O.L.
It's business, don't take it personal
The Saints simply think that no one is willing to pay him close to what he would get if they franchised him. They may be wrong with that assumption, but from a business standpoint it’s worth the risk. They will bring him back, but It will be for less than the what they would have paid if they franchised him. Smart move IMO. The franchise probably won’t get used this year. None of our other free agents are worth the money.
Da Bone
by tboneforever1 on Feb 24, 2010 7:28 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Exactly.
The Saints simply think that no one is willing to pay him close to what he would get if they franchised him.
Not sure why this is so hard to comprehend.
Darren’s feelings are certainly dinged a bit because he was hoping to get the franchise tag and vault way higher on the salary scale. He’s overplaying his hand if he thinks crying to the media will influence Loomis.
It’s going to be interesting to see what happens when he hits free agency. I don’t expect any championship-level teams to offer him a role, they’re all pretty set at safety. However, there’s plenty of 2nd or 3rd tier teams that might step up. Once they do the Saints will then have the negotiating leverage to offer a comparative deal playing with the World Champions.
Yeah, I agree. Once a 2nd or 3rd tier team makes him an offer, we have a choice as to whether we want to try to up ours or let him take it. And if he takes it, that unties our hands in free agency. If he doesn’t, then we get a “hometown discount”. Win/win for us.
Which is exactly why ME is right. Sharper is worried about not getting as much money as he was expecting to get and is hoping a little mud in the water will get Loomis to up his offer.
For those who can't remember the uncapped FA rules, this link's for you.
"let's keep in mind this is the front office that just won a freaking Super Bowl. Who are we to criticize anything they do right now?"
oh boy, that’s the kiss of death Dave. Don’t say that. Anyone is capable of a mistake at anytime. The reason we won in the first place is because Payton/Loomis were willing to look in the mirror and correct mistakes. Loomis drafted Jonathan Sullivan for F’s sake. He’s definitely capable of mistakes. I think they need to realize and WE need to realize that they are liable for criticism at any time. That’s the nature of the business. Losing Darren Sharper would be an unacceptable disaster.
Loomis' rookie year as GM
He also got Stinchcomb in the second round
It must be that master’s degree in sports administration from Wichita State University.
"We’re going to pay attention to salary structure just like we always have." -Loomis
agreed
we have to keep a critical eye on them just as much as they do with themselves and us. They don’t completely ignore what we have to say
Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!
by skinnykinney on Feb 25, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
No sir, Sharper did not win the Super Bowl by himself..................
and if he goes…..He goes. If he wants another ring then play……….More money don’t make you play better and his age (34) makes him an injury risk. Usama Young has been playing out of position for two years and could possibly assume the safety position that he has always played throughout his carreer.
My Magnificent Black and Gold Warriors
by saint-sly on Feb 24, 2010 8:10 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Forgot to add..........Chip Vaugn is another potential replacement.................
My Magnificent Black and Gold Warriors
And Jenkins, at least according to some others around here.
For those who can't remember the uncapped FA rules, this link's for you.
We haven't seen him play a down in the NFL.
"There are those that make it happen, those that watch it happen, and those that stand around and wonder what the hell happened." -- Drew Brees
Strong Safety.
But actually he was a strong safety in college, but he was drafted with the plan to convert him to a FS. (Free Safety) So he is a theoretical possibility at least. More than that, however, is not yet safe to assume.
For those who can't remember the uncapped FA rules, this link's for you.
Sharper's using the media as his agent.
What’s the big deal? Players have been doing it for years,although he may be a little early, as Dave stated.It might help the Saints in the long run to see if any other team is interested and how much they’re willing to spend.
I'll be your huckleberry- Doc Holliday to Ringo
Vaugn, young?
Sharper and vilma were our two best D players and leaders. He kept heads up at times when our defense was struggling. His leadership is invaluable! You don’t get that with anyone else.
by saints fan in cowboyland! on Feb 24, 2010 8:34 AM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
A very smart comment
Especially considering that you are surrounded by multitudes of Cowboys fans and their idiocy has potentially rubbed off on you. Bravo sir!
For your information Viking's and Colt's fans, no matter how much you say it, you were not the better team in 2009.
Its definitely challenging but a superbowl champs hat makes me look good around here!
‘how many championships ya’ll won’ I respond now proudly with my mddle finger and say ‘one mother f$&;($’!!!!!!
by saints fan in cowboyland! on Feb 24, 2010 8:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ask them what have the Cowboys done for them lately
Last Superbowl win January 28, 1996 in Superbowl XXX. Drought!
For your information Viking's and Colt's fans, no matter how much you say it, you were not the better team in 2009.
Well this was definitely true last year. But is it this year? Not so sure. Greer and Porter are more experienced now and better able to help with the leadership role.
I’d still prefer to have him around. But if he goes, I seriously doubt it’s the end of the world.
For those who can't remember the uncapped FA rules, this link's for you.
It's not the end, but...
We let a lot of good players walk once before when we had something. Don’t do it again. He’s a player! Hall of fame player! What’s to think about?
by saints fan in cowboyland! on Feb 24, 2010 8:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Are you sure you are in Cowboyland?
That is two smart comments in a row, one more and you will automatically be put into the position of Governor of the State.
For your information Viking's and Colt's fans, no matter how much you say it, you were not the better team in 2009.
He is a Saints Fan... stuck in Cowgirl Land.
Now, if he was a ex-Cowgirls Fan, that would be different… except, the fact that he’s ‘ex’ and now a Saints fan… makes him smarter than the rest already.
Pigs have flown! Hell has frozen over! The Saints HAVE WON the Superbowl!!
I like having expectations low for myself so I can surprise some folks.
Better say something dumb like the rangers are goin to win the world series!!!!
by saints fan in cowboyland! on Feb 24, 2010 9:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
"Sharper and vilma were our two best D players"
Greer and Porter may have something to say about that. I do believe Sharper was great for the D and is much needed, but not at the cost of putting other contracts and needs on the back burner. The big picture is the key and I feel confident that the front office will make the right call to have the best players as a whole unit on the field. Sharper wants to be back and the front office wants him back but both sides will not get exactly what they want but will have to compromise.
Invaluable NOT! There are always young bulls ready to step up and take the lead for the old bulls.
"Sometimes there's just not enough rocks". Forrest Gump
by CaddoCoonass on Feb 24, 2010 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
The Sharper Shake
Must be in Black and Gold or i will pout.
For your information Viking's and Colt's fans, no matter how much you say it, you were not the better team in 2009.
I want him back too! Just so I can yell "We've got a brand new fourty-two!" when he gets and INT or bats a ball down.
Pigs have flown! Hell has frozen over! The Saints HAVE WON the Superbowl!!
Re: the franchise tag
Why do a few (ok, just one) players seem to want it – DS?
While all the other players I’ve ever heard about in the past 5 years HATE IT?
Pigs have flown! Hell has frozen over! The Saints HAVE WON the Superbowl!!
I would guess that age is the determinate of why sharper wants it.
He realizes he only has two good years left to make money.
by saints fan in cowboyland! on Feb 24, 2010 9:08 AM CST via mobile reply actions
One last payday
Before he goes behind the desk full time.
For your information Viking's and Colt's fans, no matter how much you say it, you were not the better team in 2009.
I wish he would re-sign, but if he doesn't, im not stressing
we have some solid replacements, jenkins, vaughn or even usama young. antrel rolle is a UFA tooo
Rolle would be a great fit in New Orleans
Too bad we ain’t gettin’ him.
"There are those that make it happen, those that watch it happen, and those that stand around and wonder what the hell happened." -- Drew Brees
why not?
if we lose sharper to free agency, we’re allowed signing someone. I doubt he’ll take a pay cut, but it’s an uncapped year, he’d fit nice in Gregg Williams’ system
doesn't sound like a Saint to me
Rolle has been a coverage liability since entering the league, but Arizona values his play-making ability and wants to avoid paying Rolle’s whopping $8.11 million salary. He is also scheduled to receive a $4 million roster bonus in early March. Rolle, 27, is a candidate for a five- or six-year deal.
Try to realize it's all within yourself
No one else can make you change
Actually, smart gamblers are what Gregg wants, so that doesn’t rule him out.
And better yet, the only way he will be a FA is if he is released to avoid the roster bonus. That makes him somebody we can target with or without a previous FA lost.
For those who can't remember the uncapped FA rules, this link's for you.
He doesn't look too smart to me
Scored a 21 on the Wonderlic.
Try to realize it's all within yourself
No one else can make you change
Yeah but I wasn’t quite clear on the gamblers bit. A liability in coverage doesn’t mean he couldn’t play center-field in GW’s scheme. And in order to be a “playmaker” you have to take chances and those have to work out a fair amount of the time.
It seems from that description that he’s bad at covering somebody man-to-man when asked to do that, but that as a gambling “asante samuel lite” he’s pretty productive. Which means he might be more expensive but he might well be a younger D# in GW’s scheme.
Maybe. Or maybe not. I’m just saying that we can’t fully rule him out until he’s a FA and the coaches specifically state they don’t want him.
For those who can't remember the uncapped FA rules, this link's for you.
agreed
All I can think of is him back there with Roman “a liability in coverage” Harper or Usama “hey, he’s still getting the hang of it” Young.
Try to realize it's all within yourself
No one else can make you change
Ha. Good call.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Feb 24, 2010 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
Guy
He’s a safety. He’s not in charge of directing an offense or anything – the staff isn’t asking him to be a flippin’ field general. He’s a defensive back.
Vince Young got a sub-10 if I remember correctly and he’s a starting quarterback.
The wonderlic tests your football knowledge, not your actual IQ.
That being said, he does look like a dopey bastard. A dopey bastard that can knock your teeth through the back of your skull. Antrel hits like a mack truck.
"There are those that make it happen, those that watch it happen, and those that stand around and wonder what the hell happened." -- Drew Brees
And anybody can catch a pass against him.
Try to realize it's all within yourself
No one else can make you change
Insightful
Perhaps you should try out for the NFL and only play against teams he’s on. If in his division, you’d only play twice a year, but hell, you’d rack up All-Pro numbers!
"There are those that make it happen, those that watch it happen, and those that stand around and wonder what the hell happened." -- Drew Brees
Does that mean we should buy a dunce cap for Roman Harper?
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Wow, you equate Roman Harper with Antron Rolle?? Really? Wow. Roman thanks you for that. And yes.
"We’re going to pay attention to salary structure just like we always have." -Loomis
I'd hate to lose Sharper.
I think he brought a lot to this team on the field and in the locker room. I think he fits the defense the Williams has constructed. Are there others out there that can fit? Sure, but I’m taking D#‘s experience into consideration. I think what he offers the team is not something that is just hanging out there ready to be snapped up. I don’t know is happening. All we here are excerpts the media tosses out. I don’t believe we’re hearing the full story. I hope that D# is back in the Black&Gold next year.
"It's better to burn out than fade away."
Where is this news found? I’ve been looking for some info about these things… and I figured they’d be starting to make some moves here pretty soon…
For those who can't remember the uncapped FA rules, this link's for you.
Just keep going to Rotoworld
It’s without a doubt the best source for up to date info around the league that i have found.
For your information Viking's and Colt's fans, no matter how much you say it, you were not the better team in 2009.
No sarcasm
It may not be ultra reliable all the time, but as news breaks, it’s the one site that always seems to have the lead in breaking the story. They usually do pretty well at capturing the snippets and then updating as more as known.
For your information Viking's and Colt's fans, no matter how much you say it, you were not the better team in 2009.
viewed with contempt by some around here
but I think Rotoworld (and my little friend Gregg Rosenthal pictured below) do a good job. The analysis is surprisingly accurate, as opposed to, say, that Wyche guy on NFL.com.
Try to realize it's all within yourself
No one else can make you change
He thanks you for the compliment

Try to realize it's all within yourself
No one else can make you change
EXACTLY!
A ‘young’ Fred Savage.
"We’re going to pay attention to salary structure just like we always have." -Loomis
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&line=168042&id=4001
Pigs have flown! Hell has frozen over! The Saints HAVE WON the Superbowl!!
Wasn’t their word that Sharper didn’t want the franchise tag because he wanted a multi-year deal? If I were him, I’d be happy that the Saints want him back for what would ve the remainder of his career. (2ish years)
"I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you." - Darren Sharper to Tracy Porter after his 74 yard interception return for a touchdown in Super Bowl XLIV.
by jeremy_smith on Feb 24, 2010 11:22 AM CST via mobile reply actions
He does seem to have flipflopped a bit there. First he didn’t want it because he wanted a multi-year deal. Now he’s disappointed?
For those who can't remember the uncapped FA rules, this link's for you.
He's posturing for cash
It’s what players do. Mind you the Saints front office is doing their own posturing.
This sh*ts chess, it ain’t checkers – Training Day.
"There are those that make it happen, those that watch it happen, and those that stand around and wonder what the hell happened." -- Drew Brees
Watch out for violating the swearing abbreviation
Cobra may take offense
For your information Viking's and Colt's fans, no matter how much you say it, you were not the better team in 2009.
I think when it's all said and done, Sharper will be in a Saints uniform
The last thing you want to do as a GM in any sport is bid against yourself. I’ve seen general managers make this mistake time and time again and never learn. When you think about it, what’s the market for a mid-30’s safety whose numbers tailed off towards the end of the season? If someone is going to overpay Sharper, I’d rather it not be the Saints. By not franchising Sharper, they avoided overpaying him. I think a reasonable two-year deal will be enough to keep Sharper out there.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
guess it's my turn to be the idiot in cowboyland,
but since I didn’t get to see a lot of the games I have to rely on stats, highlights and what you guys relay on the game threads (thanks) to tell a lot of the story. I’m left wondering, who is the real hero here? Of course Sharper stepped up going from 1 interception last season to nine this season, but how much of this was due to the change in defense scheme? Did 42 validate GW, or did GW validate 42? We needed Sharper largely to bring a veterans swagger to the defense, which he did, and he was invaluable to a team heading to uncharted waters. Next season, we have a defensive line that has been there and done that and a scheme in place that took them there. I would love to see Sharper back, but at what price? I guess the real question here is do we NEED him back?
Who dat, from a cajun exiled to cowboy country.
by alcoholic_insight on Feb 24, 2010 1:37 PM CST reply actions
Should I take offense to dat?
by saints fan in cowboyland! on Feb 24, 2010 3:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
sorry,
I was just piggybacking on your joke from earlier. I wasn’t referring to you.
Who dat, from a cajun exiled to cowboy country.
by alcoholic_insight on Feb 25, 2010 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
Uh...
It surely wouldn’t hurt?
"There are those that make it happen, those that watch it happen, and those that stand around and wonder what the hell happened." -- Drew Brees
leadership
is what ds brought to our backfield, the ability to execute they had. I love what he has done buuuuuut if he takes a 2 year , reasonable deal, I’ll continue to think the world of him. Hey we have allot of great young players. I say spread the wealth and keep as many as possible.
OldFartFan
Really interested to see how this plays out
I think he has a couple more years of great play in him. I would be dissapointed to see him go. In the end it is business but so much emotion is tied in with it, especially after winning a superbowl, so I can see how it might be hard to leave feelings out of the equation.
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious." - Vince Lombardi
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