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Mike Florio Bashes Reggie Bush

Came across this article yesterday from our friend Mike Florio at Pro Football Talk. If you haven't read it yet, do so now. It's short and won't take but a minute. In it, Florio reacts to Mickey Loomis' statement that the Saints would be keeping Reggie Bush at his current salary in 2010.  

Honestly, I really think Florio's main purpose with this article was to point out the possibility of a bad management decision on the part of the Saints front office. But whether it was intended or not, it comes off more as a hidden-agenda attack on Bush's ability and production. I'm only now getting a chance to comment on it because I wasn't really sure what to make of it. Like a deer in headlights, I was frozen. Here are a few bits and pieces that I am choosing to nitpick:

It is, in our view, a move that has more to do with business and less to do with football.  It can't be about football, because Bush doesn't bring $8 million worth of football value to the table.    

Can value really be defined? Reggie, like a rare coin to a numismatist or a mahogany floral carved Victorian chest to Leslie Keno, is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for him. If the Saints are willing to give him $8 million, than that's how much the team values Reggie. I'm not so sure it's really up to Florio to determine any players value, let alone Reggie's in Sean Payton's offense. 

No, this is about maintaining the Bayou post-Super Bowl buzz, about selling jerseys, about keeping the fans from engaging in an all-out revolt.    

Have you ever even met a Saints fan, Mike? World War III breaking out during Woodstock was more likely than Saints fans putting together any kind of revolt after finally watching their team win the Super Bowl. It's all kumbaya down here, baby. In forty-three years we've never been happier; now is the least likely time this fan base would do anything of the sort. In Payton and Loomis we trust.  So if they thought they could do without Bush, I'm sure most of us would just go along with it. Besides, given Reggie's penchant for being so controversial among Saints fans, getting rid of him might actually cut back on some of the in-fighting. 

But of all the things Florio says in this article, I find one statement above all else to be the most controversial and this is where I'll leave it for you guys to take over the discussion...

Though the Saints likely would have won the Super Bowl without Bush...    

What do you think?

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Would the Saints have won the Super Bowl without Reggie Bush?
Yes
712 votes
No
934 votes

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Mike Florio...

is a the biggest douche in the universe supplanting John Edwards
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Biggest_Douche_in_the_Universe

Ignore what he has to say!!!!!

BTW, Keeping Reggie has as much to do with him being SP’s favorite shiny toy as it does with jersey sales and the such, and Florio would understand that if he researched his “articles”….

With the 32nd pick of the 2010 NFL Draft, the New Orleans Saints take... The suspense is killing me!

by tlsk1066 on Mar 14, 2010 1:27 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

allow me to clear up some confusion on douchebags

John Edward, medium
John Edward(s), narcissist

I'm a faker, a paper clown

by stujo4 on Mar 14, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

same difference!

With the 32nd pick of the 2010 NFL Draft, the New Orleans Saints take... The suspense is killing me!

by tlsk1066 on Mar 14, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing new

Guys has been a hater since long ago… even more so after the Minny game (he is a Viking fan).

Bring the wood

by bondcrash on Mar 14, 2010 1:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Make a new poll

If you post or even read Mike Florio, or as we call him MF, then you automaticly get banned

by andyp111 on Mar 14, 2010 3:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Douche-baggedness

Bush possesses various “intangibles” and has the potential to be a game-breaker anytime he gets the ball. Comparing a dim-witted sports writer to John Edwards is an insult to the poor misundersood skirt-chaser from North Carolina. I prefer comparing Florio to Glenn Beck.

"Dang! The Saints won the Super Bowl!" - my wife, Meso "Happy" Hu Dat.

by Dang Hu Dat on Mar 14, 2010 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I see the problem, it's right THERE:

Right where the words “Mike” and “Florio” are.

He’s a coprophagus pettifogger.

Look up the words, you will see how accurate that statement is.

:-)

Who Dat? TWO DAT! Do dat AGAIN!!!

by GSO Saints Fan on Mar 14, 2010 4:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Pointless argument

Would the Saints have won the Super Bowl without Reggie? Possibly, but we had him and he contributed. Is he worth $8 million? Well, that’s what we’re paying him, so I guess that’s what he’s worth. Am I glad the Saints are keeping him? Absolutely. I would rather pay Bush $8 million than pay Albert Haynesworth what he’s making right now. Bush is no bust; he’s doing what he’s paid to do. Mike Florio, on the other hand, is being paid to provide valuable opinions. I would call Mike Florio a bust.

by Philistine on Mar 14, 2010 5:27 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

I officially

do not give a rat’s ass what Mike Florio says about anything. Even if he happens to agree with me, I don’t care. He’s an idiot who only occasionally lurches against the truth like a drunk against a dumpster.

"Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted.." --J.O.L.

by MtnExile on Mar 14, 2010 5:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Would we?

Every single player was needed to win, or even get to the superbowl. Even a player with only one tackle helped the saints get to and win the superbowl. That one tackle could have been the one where if it did not occur the other team might have won the game. This would possibly screw up our number one seed, and not even win a playoff game.

by jeremysherwin on Mar 14, 2010 5:39 PM CDT reply actions  

....Does Florio think without Reggie Bush,

The Saints could have blown up Arizona?

The Easter Bunny is a savage...

by ShadowFlash on Mar 14, 2010 5:51 PM CDT reply actions  

seems to me we may not have gotten to the SB without Bobby McCray

if you reflect on what he did vs Ariz and Minn and possibly how he made Indy worry about his ability to blow up a Qb. I think many – maybe all Saints are in that category- contributing very largely at various times to a magical season. Reggie Bush surely had many huge contributions and to say we could have won without him is a real unfair way to go. We did it and everybody was important.

"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking

by Philinwood on Mar 14, 2010 6:43 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I don't think . . .

. . . anything he said was all that controversial.

I don’t totally agree with him, but ask 10 Saints fans and you’ll get 4 similar assessments.

"Why would I even consider taking the ball out of Drew Brees’ hands?’’

by DrZin on Mar 14, 2010 6:43 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

not controversial...

but stupid. The assertion that cutting bush would cause a fan revolt is uniinformed to the point of idiocacy. As Dave mentions, some have called for getting rid of Bush for a while.

"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010

by SaintBevo on Mar 14, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Accidental dumpster lurching

Florio doesn’t know what he’s talking about. If a dog told you the same thing, would you say, “better listen to him…he’s a dog”? Or would you be amazed that a dog could come even that close to the truth?

Even dogs know that Florio is an idiot.

"Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted.." --J.O.L.

by MtnExile on Mar 14, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I Certainly Agree with That

A Fan Revolt is out of any Saints question . . . for at least the next 43 years.

As far as Loomis and Payton making decisions to keep revenues up, I may be naive, but they just don’t seem like the type to sacrifice good on-field competitive decisions for some purely fiscal strategy.

"Why would I even consider taking the ball out of Drew Brees’ hands?’’

by DrZin on Mar 14, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec’d it.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Mar 14, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

but ask 10 Saints fans and you’ll get 4 similar assessments.

Correct. Six people feel one way; four feel the other. Doesn’t that make it controversial?

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by Dave Cariello on Mar 14, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point. About as controversial as a “delicious” spinach dip recipe, I suppose.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Mar 14, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

mmmm I like spinach dip.

I'm a faker, a paper clown

by stujo4 on Mar 14, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

me too

I rec this because I like dip so much

I wouldn't mind getting half the "love" that the Saints are willing to give Sharper...

by LocoSaint on Mar 14, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do too. I also know many people who hate spinach.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Mar 14, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate spinach

With the 32nd pick of the 2010 NFL Draft, the New Orleans Saints take... The suspense is killing me!

by tlsk1066 on Mar 15, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

SEE, DAVE??? OMG, I LOVE CONTROVERSY!!!!!

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Mar 15, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

But not as much as I love spinach dip.

Or technology.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Mar 15, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

The question is...

would you pay $8 million for Kim Kardashian’s spinach dip recipe?

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by Dave Cariello on Mar 15, 2010 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

get your mind...

out of the gutter!!!

With the 32nd pick of the 2010 NFL Draft, the New Orleans Saints take... The suspense is killing me!

by tlsk1066 on Mar 15, 2010 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

My g/f makes AWESOME spinish and artichoke dip!

Pigs have flown! Hell has frozen over! The Saints HAVE WON the Superbowl!!

by Dan Kelly on Mar 15, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is she single?

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Mar 15, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol :-P

Pigs have flown! Hell has frozen over! The Saints HAVE WON the Superbowl!!

by Dan Kelly on Mar 16, 2010 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just messing. I like how you spell spinach, btw. It’s not exactly spinach, but there are similiarities. It’s … spinish.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Mar 16, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol i know

and, i never won any awards at school for spelling, and i’m not ashamed to admit it…

I’m not sure why FireFox’s spell checker doesn’t work in that field.

Pigs have flown! Hell has frozen over! The Saints HAVE WON the Superbowl!!

by Dan Kelly on Mar 16, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

i don't care at all about what mike florio thinks

but you threw an antiques roadshow reference in there. so a million points to you, sir.

by jful on Mar 14, 2010 8:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Florio...

…is a blogger. He has no real business saying the things he does, and is by no means a reliable source. I feel like my 10 year old nephew knows more about football and what goes on in the NFL than Flori-ho. Oh yes, that’s right, I just called him a slang term for prostitute.

I wouldn't mind getting half the "love" that the Saints are willing to give Sharper...

by LocoSaint on Mar 14, 2010 10:12 PM CDT reply actions  

He can say what he likes

Bloggers and media personalities alike can be uninformed, loudmouth, opinionated idiots.

He’s not a reliable source, though, you’re right. Nobody should listen to a thing he says.

by Jay Preece on Mar 14, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's a team sport

Could’ve won the Super Bowl without Reggie, as in, if he was replaced on the roster with, say, Antonio Chapman? Or if the Saints just played with a 52 man roster instead of 53? I don’t see how that could have happened. The decoy factor alone is worth a lot.

You can’t take an opinion poll on facts.

I like that word “worth”. I do know that Reggie will be overpaid in 2010. As was Lito Sheppard in 2009, 2008, and 2007 (I’ll stop there). And Jake Delhomme in 2009. And 2010, no doubt about it, $12M Panters and $7M Browns. Where’s the outrage on the $7M alone?

Mike Florio has a hair system. He is also a lawyer. (Is that ad hominem?)

I'm a faker, a paper clown

by stujo4 on Mar 14, 2010 10:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, it is. But it’s one most people around here will wink at and go “we already knew he was an idiot, you didn’t really need to add more proof”.

For those who can't remember the uncapped FA rules, this link's for you.

by FriarBob on Mar 14, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

check out the comments at the article's page

makes me really appreciate the comments here and the wonderful work that Dave does. Is Reggie going to be overpaid this next year? Probably yes. Do I want him on the team? Yes. Do teams gameplan for Reggie? I’d say yes. When he’s injury free does he produce? Yes. Don’t look at just yards from scrimmage but at averages. In 06 and 09 he’s produced 8 total TDs. His 06 rushing average was low but his receiving average was high. He fumbled twice both years(only has had 1 year where he fumbled alot). That doesn’t include stats for punts or playoff games though. I think he’s worth having on this team and not having to face during the season.

Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!

by skinnykinney on Mar 14, 2010 10:50 PM CDT reply actions  

The Saints managed to beat the Patriots and the Bucs (once) without Bush. In fact, they lost to those same Bucs with Bush, so why couldn’t a case be made that they were better without him? They also won the NFC South by four games. What four games would the Saints absolutely, positively lost without Bush? His leaping TD against the Dolphins didn’t occur on fourth down. Most RBs in the league could have scored on that same play, by allowing the over pursuit and cutting back. In the playoffs, to say that they could have “likely” beaten the Cardinals — a game they won by more than Bush’s two TDs — Vikings or Colts without him doesn’t really seem like that much of a stretch. Sure, outside of Brees, you could probably say the same thing about any one (1) single player on the team. The article isn’t about any of those other expendable players, though. It’s about the one (1) expendable player whose getting paid the most.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Mar 14, 2010 11:00 PM CDT reply actions  

who’s, not whose

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Mar 14, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd it.

Shockey is a huge asset to the team.

"It's better to burn out than fade away."

by SaintsFan-KS on Mar 15, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Same here.

But Brees is the only player on the team that I think would have been the difference between winning it all or not. With Reggie, there are are waaaaay too many intangibles to say one way or the other. With his yardage totals and receptions (and fumbles), his biggest asset to the team is decoying and opponents game planning. There are no numbers to quantify that. My beef with him has always been that he’s making too much money to just be a decoy. But that decision is up to Payton and Loomis. They obviously think he’s worth it. And that is good enough for me.

"Don't ever sell your saddle, cause life's a long, long ride."

by SaintShark on Mar 15, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I chose not to vote in the poll.

I don’t know if we would have won with or without Reggie. I just know that I’m thrilled we won and happy that Reggie was a part of it. I’ve never been a “hater”, although my prior thoughts about Reggie would have some labelling me as such. The Reggie that I saw come alive this season is the Reggie that I’ve been waiting to see. $8million? Is he worth it? I don’t know. But if the powers-that-be say he is, who am I to argue? Is he perfect? No, none of them are. I believe that SP has been working with Reggie and is invested in his success. I like what I saw, and I want to see more of that next year. I think PT and Reggie (and Bell or Hamilton) are going to be an unstoppable force next year. Repeat!!!!!!

"It's better to burn out than fade away."

by SaintsFan-KS on Mar 15, 2010 9:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Florio is a tool an an over the top Redskin fan.

Now being a Redskin fan does make him an expert in over paying players. I think he misses the boat on this one. Reggie is not worth 8 million but some would give him close to that on the open market. Better to over pay a little and keep this Offense together for another SB run. SB wins are priceless. I see a Visa commercial in their somewhere.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Mar 15, 2010 10:51 AM CDT reply actions  

True saints fan saying open yall eyes...................

Look over the years since Bush got here, he flourished along-side Deuce, sucked when he was the focus point, and shines every once in a while along-side Thomas now! Can somebody tell me which back carried us in the Super Bowl huh? Surely wasn’t Bush. He should be gone and Thomas should get at least half of the money they saved by shipping him. We don’t need a 8 million dollar decoy, we have too much fire-power (look at the stats when Bush didn’t play and when he did for reference if you need to) Brees is more dangerous without Bush and every true fan of football knows that. I admit I was all for drafting him when we did and I haven’t stop kicking myself in the butt since his 2nd season. Maybe we can still trade him off for some draft picks and a legitimate pass rusher!

by Infamous504 on Mar 15, 2010 2:26 PM CDT reply actions  

THANK GOD

We finally have a “True saints fan” and a “true fan of football” to show us all the errors of our ways.

by maybetoday on Mar 15, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

how do you put a value on a decoy?

What if you got rid of Bush and all of a sudden everyone else on the offense suffered. Would you pay the $8 million then?

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by Dave Cariello on Mar 15, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe it is just me

But i saw a lot more north and south from Reggie this year. I agree he flourished when he was combined with Deuce. I think he can do the same with Pierre.

He impressed me this year. I am looking forward to even bigger things this year.

For your information Viking's and Colt's fans, no matter how much you say it, you were not the better team in 2009.

by Grumps on Mar 15, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I agree Grumps

He did run better

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by Dave Cariello on Mar 15, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think this was the first year

That i saw him lower his helmet and pop somebody. Granted i don’t want him doing that all the time. But i remember getting so excited watching him pop somebody that i sent beer flying all over the place.

For your information Viking's and Colt's fans, no matter how much you say it, you were not the better team in 2009.

by Grumps on Mar 15, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. Well Heath Evans said it first and best, but I’ll try and say it again… if he can prove that he CAN run over people (and he has), then he’s going to get them worried about whether he’s going to run them over or not… and THAT’S when he gets to run around them.

For those who can't remember the uncapped FA rules, this link's for you.

by FriarBob on Mar 15, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

most argued about player in the NFL,

Too much has happened to determine anything about Bush. He’s never had the chance to be a feature back, has been injured and we’ve been pretty pass-happy since Payton came until last year. We love to throw out the North and South crap but truth is, he’s shown he could do that (Check rookie season verses Giants). Usually when RB is put on the stand we have a few things to look at to determine if he’s a bust, replaceable and etc., (Rashaan Salaam comes to mind) not someone whose averaging 9 carries a game in a system that pass the ball around like a joint at a dorm party.

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Mar 17, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, because he’d be gone.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Mar 15, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where is Tay??

I'm a faker, a paper clown

by stujo4 on Mar 15, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm here homie!!!!

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Mar 17, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

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