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Since there hasn't been a lot of new Saints news lately, I was just perusing through the CSC archives and came across some of the many posts we all made in reference to the 2009 Saints draft last April. Our comments at the time are what's most interesting. Here's a Fanpost I posted right after the draft. Judging by the comments section, we were still trying to make sense of the Morstead pick. While MtnExile and I somehow go off on a Lord of the Rings tangent, saintsdevotee posted a sensible "let's wait and see" comment regarding Morstead:

 

It's possible the kicker is a good pick

If this guy is as good as Keonan(sp?) is in Atlanta, punting and kicking off, I guess he’s worth it. I just don’t believe he is, since no one has heard of this guy coming out of college.

I’m not gonna sweat it anymore. We’ll see what happens in August.

Gotta trust the professionals…

Morstead was indeed an excellent pick and his punts and kickoffs were very instrumental in our Super Bowl winning season (insert giddy, over-joyed laughter here).

Star-divide

MtnExile contributed a great post that graded the mainstream sports media graders. In hindsight, his overall grade of an A for the Saints draft was right on:

NEW ORLEANS. Grade: A
The Saints had little room to maneuver, with only four choices. But you have to factor in that three of their picks were already used to put Jeremy Shockey and Jonathan Vilma in black and gold. Shockey had a solid season, for a tight end—it just wasn't spectacular, so he would seem to be overpriced as things stand now. Vilma, on the other hand, was spectacular: every bit the player he was when the Jets took him with the 12th overall pick in 2004. Getting that kind of value for a third-round pick alone elevates the Saints draft nearly to the top.

In addition, New Orleans got Malcolm Jenkins—who may be the next Rod Woodson at cornerback, or bust at cornerback and be the next Rod Woodson at safety. Plus, the Saints added a solid safety prospect in Chip Vaughn, an intriguing linebacker prospect in Stanley Arnoux (both in the fourth), and punter/kicker Thomas Morland. Every real need the Saints had was addressed in some way, and with quality players.

(Today's Kool-Aid is Purplesaurus Rex.)

That Kool-Aid was delicious. Our fearless leader Saintsational also weighed in with his grades on the 2009 Saints' draft.. Since the Morstead pick was obviously the main topic of discussion at the time and has inevitably become a theme of this post, here's his take on that one:

Thomas Morstead - Punter - Southern Methodist University

C-

Initially this pick had me, and many other Saints fans, all hot and bothered. Up until selecting Morstead the Saints were doing a great job of choosing players that addressed their needs. But after taking a deep breath and drinking a couple of 190 Octanes I now have a better understanding of the reasoning behind this selection. Often an overlooked position, Punters play an important role in the field position game and the Saints haven't had anything too great in the punting department for quite a while. Still, drafting a specialist could blow up in the Saints face...again. The question from here on out will be, "Was he worth it?" They gave up their 2010 fifth round pick as well as this years seventh round pick just to land this guy. There were also players left on the draft board with higher grades than Morestead. The pressure is on. I'm not sure about this one but I am feeling generous so I went with a grade of C. Glenn Pakulak...your days may be numbered.

He was truly being generous with his grade of C-. Most of us were grading the trading away of draft picks for a punter somewhat lower than that. I'm very happy we were proven wrong and Morstead worked out so well for us. Enjoy that ring, Thomas! You and all the others truly deserve them.

Poll
Now that the season is over, how would you grade last year's draft?
A - WE WON THE SUPER BOWL! What other grade can be given?
38 votes
B - Morstead was the only consistent contributor; Jenkins was OK
34 votes
C - I'm a tough grader; no curve granted for SB win
5 votes
D - (Really?)
0 votes
F - I'm a disgruntled Vikings, Colts, or Falcons fan
0 votes
I - "Incomplete" due to Arnoux and Vaughn injuries
17 votes

94 votes | Poll has closed

This FanPost was written by a reader and member of Canal Street Chronicles. It does not necessarily reflect the views of CSC and its staff or editors.

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I do believe I was one of the other people who was mostly calm and rational about the punter pick as well… but then I was also new around here and probably nobody knew who I was or cared what I thought.

Now you probably still don’t care, but at least you know who I am… :)

For those who can't remember the uncapped FA rules, this link's for you.

by FriarBob on Mar 17, 2010 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

I remember and still care.

I think I was kinda on the fence. It was the trading away of this year’s 5th round pick that didn’t sit very well with me. In hindsight, it was totally worth it.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Mar 17, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

i was the same way. i could've cared less about the 7th

but it was the 5th that had me kinda bothered. it was definetly worth it

Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!

by skinnykinney on Mar 17, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its is possible to have a bad draft and win the SB

look at the Broncos since winning the two SB to end John Elways career.

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Mar 17, 2010 12:39 PM CDT reply actions  

If you grade this draft class on what they contributed to winning the Super Bowl, I’d give it a C- … and that’s almost entirely based on Morstead’s play at punter. Include Shockey and Vilma and that jumps to a B+. In a draft where half the players actually selected have yet to see the field, I can’t rightly give them any more than that.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Mar 17, 2010 12:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Somewhat agree

I’ve added another couple of poll choices.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Mar 17, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks. I went with C, being that no one typically includes trade acquisitions as part of their draft analysis.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Mar 17, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree

I think a Super Bowl victory in 2010 would mean success in earlier drafts like 2006 or 2007.

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by Dave Cariello on Mar 17, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

With Arnoux & Vaughn being out...

….I would grade the draft as an “I” for incomplete, not all work turned in.

Based on the work turned in, it’s a “C”, but let’s see what the two guys that were on IR last year bring to the table befor passing final grades.

Who Dat? TWO DAT! Do dat AGAIN!!!

by GSO Saints Fan on Mar 17, 2010 1:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Added

I guess I was thinking more about Pay-Loo’s preseason moves including the draft than about the individual performances of each draftee, when I created this poll. Pay-Loo definitely deserve the “A” for using future draft picks to get Shockey and Vilma and then filling a few holes with the remaining four picks. I think we can all agree on that.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Mar 17, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about

“I like hamburgers”

"I have seen women walk right past a TV set with a football game on and - this always amazes me - not stop to watch, even if the TV is showing replays of what we call a "good hit," which is a tackle that causes at least one major internal organ to actually fly out of a player's body."

by Grumps on Mar 17, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

not again...I'm trying to be good and eat my baked salmon and steamed broccoli

"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis

by HansDat on Mar 17, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

eck

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by Dave Cariello on Mar 17, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

the baked salmon sounds good

not so much for the steamed broccoli

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Mar 17, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

good for the heart (and your farts)

"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis

by HansDat on Mar 17, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be the beans.

Breathe the air we have blown you.

by stujo4 on Mar 17, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

either will do the trick

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Its a Great Day to be a Mountaineer where ever you may be" Tony Caridi
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by WVPiratesfan on Mar 18, 2010 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

broccoli is a huge gas catalyst for

"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis

by HansDat on Mar 18, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

me (sorry about the break, but something broke as I was typing)

"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis

by HansDat on Mar 18, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly...

A Mighty Wind

"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis

by HansDat on Mar 18, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

quite a comeback album

those guys look familiar…

"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis

by HansDat on Mar 19, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I give it an "A"....

as in Ambush.

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Mar 17, 2010 1:26 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

ding!

"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis

by HansDat on Mar 17, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thomas Morland?

I think someone spiked the Kool-Aid that day.

"I suppose if I had said television was more popular than Jesus, I would have gotten away with it." --J.O.L.

by MtnExile on Mar 17, 2010 2:14 PM CDT reply actions  

I’d like to see Morstead attempt a drop kick FG in preseason. Based on the lift his kickoffs get, I think he could nail one with a little practice on gauging the bounce.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Mar 17, 2010 2:45 PM CDT reply actions  

try to nail that m-f-ing fleur de lis

"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis

by HansDat on Mar 17, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

He has been

practicing the drop kicks. I read it in a story earlier in the season when he was doing an interview. He really wants to try one out and I think that preseason is an awesome time to try it, unless Coach is saving it for another game winner for next years superbowl

by Saintsfan75 on Mar 18, 2010 4:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can you do that in open play?

I`ve not seen a drop kick in the NFL , it`s a big part of rugby. Would it be on the crazy play
page from SP`s playbook with Morestead in the back field taking a direct snap and …POW!!

Lets GEAUX SAINTS.......... ALL THE WAY!!!!

by saint_chew on Mar 17, 2010 3:11 PM CDT reply actions  

You can. Doug Flutie did it in a meaningless Week 17 game, a few years back.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Mar 17, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks - just googled it.

Does seem the kind of thing SP would do somewhere along the stretch just to keep
DC`s guessing.

Lets GEAUX SAINTS.......... ALL THE WAY!!!!

by saint_chew on Mar 17, 2010 3:49 PM CDT reply actions  

good idea, SATCH

ding! rec’d it

voted for incomplete

need 4-5 years at least to grade a draft class

"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis

by HansDat on Mar 17, 2010 5:21 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm glad none of my comments appeared in the post

not sure if I was wildly irrational or calm and collected after the draft

"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis

by HansDat on Mar 17, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't have time to search through them all

I’m sure I could find some if I really looked. lol

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Mar 17, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I checked your post-draft thread

I commented twice in the LOTR strand, and posted some funny youtubes of LOTR-related brain candy…nothing of substance about our draft picks – Ha!

"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis

by HansDat on Mar 17, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

and then on Dave's draft grade post

I commented on the Major League strand…again nothing of substance on the draft selections

"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis

by HansDat on Mar 17, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

on M-E's grading the graders post

I simply commented with praise for his work and rated it better than John DeShazier’s work. Is that actually praise, though?

"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis

by HansDat on Mar 17, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

there's a pattern to my post-draft commentary

yup…you guessed it – I must have been 420’d.

"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis

by HansDat on Mar 17, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha

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by Dave Cariello on Mar 18, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

indeed

"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis

by HansDat on Mar 18, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was pretty melo for last years draft.

I was pleased with our picks, although not going after Shon Greene in the 3rd kind of pissed me off. I’ve been looking for management to draft a stud 1st down back for the last 4 years. And he held great value in the 3rd.

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by Mikeno on Mar 17, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

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