Saints should draft a QB!
by LocoSaint on Mar 2, 2010 7:17 PM CST
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PrintIn the 4th round though. I think behind the top 2 QBs, the next best one (potential wise) is a very physically gifted player from an unknown school. His name is John Skelton, and he absolutely shredded up D-IAA while playing at tiny Fordham University. Leading the division in total yards and yards per game (passing of course), he has several attributes that set him apart from other prospects. While other QBs behind Bradford and Clausen are before Skelton in some areas, his body of work and room to grow has to leave a bunch of teams watering at the mouth.
Let's start with his size.
- 6'5" 244 lbs
That's ridiculous. He's got the size of a starting caliber QB, but what about his arm?
- Makes 50 yard throws effortlessly, accurate on short, mid- and long range passes. His deep balls don't hang. Passes sometimes wobbly, but stay on target. Throws from multiple angles. Quick release.
Ohhhh it only gets better. Let's go to accuracy and decision making.
- 2009 Passer rating: 150.05. 64.4% completion rate. 3,713 passing yards. 26 TDs and 10 interceptions. Scouts note that he will often go through his second and third progressions and go to a check-down, underneath receiver if the deep ball isn't there.
Now that's something you like to hear. He does have some issues with throwing off his back foot and relying on arm strength a bit too often, while also trusting his receivers too much with jump balls, but this guy looks and sounds like a Sean Payton guy. One more area I would like to touch on before I conclude. Intangibles.
- In 2009 alone he had 86 rushing attempts for 348 yards and 5 TDs, in his career he was 296 for 1216 and TDs. Skelton played in 43 total games and has no serious or minor injury issues. He's also a quiet media person, but a high quality and high energy leader and teammate.
So he can run too eh? He's humble to the media, and a leader in the locker room and on the field? He's a high character player, that's what he is, and he brings some versatility too. Sounds like a Sean Payton guy to me. I would absolutely take this guy. He brings a ton of value, especially as a mid-round pick, not to mention he will fill a need. The Saints need a backup QB that isn't only a "system" guy. They need one who can mix things up a bit if he has to start in a pinch, and I believe Skelton can be that guy. Sure, defense would be nice in this round and in every round, but you also have to give the offense some love. Not to mention, we need some stuff to speculate and talk about in a few years when the Saints will start looking for Drew's successor, because remember he is 30 years old, and he's in his prime, so he doesn't have much time left. So, the the opinions rain!
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I'd make sure this guy was accurate
before I considered him. It says he lets his receivers go get it instead of putting it in a spot for them. We’ve gotten spoiled with Drew’s accuracy, and I never wanna go back to just a big unaccurate arm. If hes accurate, then he would be great. But if Drew lasts another 5-6 years (fairly safe to say), then this guy will be riding the pine for 5-6 years. I don’t see us holding onto a backup for that long. Does anybody elese? I want to get a good backup for Drew, but just don’t see the need at the moment to draft that high for a successor.
yeah
I want a solid backup (and one day hopefully far in the future a replacement) but I don’t think we’ll get a rookie, but probably just a solid veteran, and no brunell won’t cut it.
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I didn't say
he lets his receivers go get it. It’s normally the fault of the receiver not getting to the ball because they’re not as superhuman as he is. He really is accurate. I’ll post a good video of all his throws.
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Look at that ankle flection.
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by Joseph William Stern on Mar 2, 2010 9:59 PM CST reply actions
I saw him throw at the Combine...
he had a nice strong throw
With the 32nd pick of the 2010 NFL Draft, the New Orleans Saints take... The suspense is killing me!
Let's pay him $5M a year to sit on the bench for 6 years
Like Aaron Rodgers only doubled.
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oops almost missed this
6’5" 244 lbs of pure man
That was gay. And I don’t mean stupid, I mean faggy.
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Even Scott Fujita would object to that characterization.
Money don't get everything it's true
What it don't get I can't use
by stujo4 on Mar 2, 2010 10:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
not that there's anything wrong with that.
LOL!! (I literally laughed out loud.)
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i will say
that i am not gay however lol
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on the subject of QBs....
it seems like everyone wants to get a QB this year. We have another 5 years (if Brees stays and/or is healthy, hopefully) before we need another stud QB. Other QB prospects will come along in that time, and we’ll be able to spend a high round pick on a (and therefore more likely get a higher quality) QB in 2015 if we fill our other real needs elsewhere on the team first. That way, in 2015, we spend a first round on a guy who can come in and do well with a great team surrounding him.
if Brees has 5 years, then we need to draft a qb in 4 years, so he has one year to learn the system.
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maybe
aaron brooks is lying on a couch somewhere..(jamarcus russell’s basement?) maybe we could go get him… ;-)
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update!
Following his retirement from pro football in 2007, Brooks announced plans to be a land developer
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by greenwald200 on Mar 2, 2010 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
i like him too
like i said in my post last week, but again do we really want a rookie backup for the next 5-6 years?
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by greenwald200 on Mar 2, 2010 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
A QB doesn’t only gain experience through playing. Philip Rivers and Aaron Rodgers are both upper tier QBs in this league, in part because they’re WEREN’T thrown to the wolves. You can even make a case for Brees, as he played second fiddle to Doug Flutie much of his rookie season. I’d personally rather a young veteran backup with some starting experience, but that’s only because he’s more likely to succeed, if Brees were to go down in 2010. The longer that catatrophe is avoided, however, the less important it is for that replacement to have game play under their belt. That is, as long as they’ve been exposed to exhibition seasons, training camps, etc., know the playbook forward and back and can perform up to the NFL level. Pure athleticism lessens that longer-tenured veteran advantage even moreso. What I’m saying is, it’s not necessarily about who CAN (present tense), it’s about who WILL (when you need them). Brunell doesn’t serve very well in either of those capacities, which triggers the need. How you go about filling that need depends on how long you think you can get away with rolling the dice. Of course, there’s the whole “heir apparent” angle to consider as well, in which case the younger the better. I’m just not ready to think that far down the line. In any case, if Skelton or any other rookie QB shows more two-or-three-years-down-the-line promise than Josh McCown or someone of the sort, then by all means, go that route. Now that we’ve won a Super Bowl, 2010 is no more crucial than any other season, imo.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
“Now that we’ve won a Super Bowl, 2010 is no more crucial than any other season, imo.”
Then again, if we’re 13-0 and Brees tears an ACL, I’ll probably be wishing we had brought in another veteran. Not that you can’t have the best of both worlds, with three QB spots available. At that point, it becomes a question of “is Chase Daniel your future project, or is there somebody better out there that can serve as that long-term guinea pig?” That’s really the optimal situation, imo. Brees + McCown (for lack of a better UFA examples) + Skelton/Daniel/Beck … I’m fine with something along those lines.
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we're stacked at QB, Chase Daniel is the heir apparent
Chase Daniel was awesome in college at Mizzou and Payton and Brees both see something in him
Other than holding the ball for place kicks better than Romo, where does Mark Brunell fit into the Saints' future?
I really don’t have that much info on him.
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by Just 'Nother Day on Mar 3, 2010 3:56 PM CST reply actions
One good thing about Brunell as a placeholder — and this is something that not a lot of people pay much mind to — if there’s an errant snap, he’s a left-handed QB. With a right-footed kicker (which Harley is), this means that he’s already in throwing position when he stands up. He doesn’t have to turn to re-position his footing, or throw across his body. That doesn’t sound like that big of a deal, but how many other teams in the league are there that have that same one second emergency bail out advantage? Just something that crossed my mind. Figured I’d throw it out there.
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Make that Hartley. Harley’s a motorcycle and doesn’t have any feet.
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good point
And if Brunell was 8 years younger, Payton would probably have them practice some fake field goal passing plays. But based on what we saw this year in his starting appearance, Brunell is done. He looked really old. I’ll leave it at that.
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I agree. I just wanted to plant that seed as part of my upcoming six week push for Tim Tebow. But seriously, Jared Lorenzen is still available.
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Maybe Morstead’s a southpaw. A placeholder doesn’t necessarily have to be a backup QB.
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Tebow GAA!!
I think Payton had Brunell hold so he’d have to bend over and get a reminder that he’s been hitting Emeril’s for dinner too often. It used to be not uncommon for the punter to be the holder since he’s used to taking those long snaps. Whatever works.
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It’s typically a punter or a kicker. Why, I have no idea. I know that Joe Scarpati — who held for Tom Dempsey’s 63 yd FG — was a safety. You would think that WRs would be pretty good at it. Maybe they try to avoid getting their fingers jammed being that they need them to, um … well, you know … do their f***ing job(?) Makes sense, until the same can be said of backup QBs and punters. Occasionally starting QBs, in the case of Romo.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
It’s typically a punter or a kicker. Why, I have no idea.
Practice time, of course. If the special teams (LS, PK, holder) are a team that don’t need to do anything else (like run the second-team offense or some other unimportant job), they can practice on the side while the other practice is going on as well.
With Brunell or another backup QB as the holder, placekicking practice gets pushed into a much smaller slice of available time.
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I was thinking the same,
but not before the 4th round. I don’t think he’d be there that long. Any ideas about when/where Tebow’s going?
I doubt he makes it past the 2nd round. Someone’s going to roll the dice.
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...and come up snake eyes...
…if they think they’re getting an NFL QB.
Timmy “I got something in my eye when we lost to LSU” Tebow is a fine athlete, just not an NFL calibre QB, much like Mike “Dog-boy” Vick. He’ll make it as a QB if someone INSISTS on it, but he’ll never really be a great one. He’d be much more effective as a TE/H-back type player that could be a #3 QB, or run some wildcat formation plays.
If someone drafts him to be the every down starter QB, they’ve screwed the pooch.
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by GSO Saints Fan on Mar 4, 2010 7:22 AM CST up reply actions
“He’d be much more effective as a TE/H-back type player that could be a #3 QB, or run some wildcat formation plays.”
I agree. Which could actually make for a pretty nice fit in the Saints offense. They have bigger fish to fry on defense, though. And there are better big backs (that could be H-Backs) available, Gerhart included.
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The general consensus on this kid is he is not a Pro QB
BUT, under the right coach thats willing to spend some time with him, he could surprise a lot of people. There is something to say about the most successful QB in the SEC. He has skills, determinationn and most of all………..Heart, It would be a shame to let him just be wasted and never get a shot.
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You want to draft a QB and give him time to develop, not throw him in to the wolves like the Saints did with Archie or the Texans did with David Carr. And what if Drew gets hurt? It can happen. If the guy comes in and does decently, then he could be traded away for a higher draft choice like the Falcons did with Matt Schaub and the Patriots did with Matt Cassell. However, the first round pick needs to be a defensive front-seven impact player. One or two new impact defenders and this defense will be really something. So they should go for a QB but in round 3 or later, assuming there is one worth a pick still left.
Did you see the kid backing up Peyton Manning ?
They are in a world of hurt should Manning go down. Most teams would be in the same boat.
I just think Tebow could turn out to be great, given the opportunity. He may be availabe in the third round because of my previous post. I think he is a diamond in the ruff and riding the pine for a couple or three years behind Brees could polish him up. Just me but what do I know ??
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If you’re talking about Curtis Painter, he’s not their #2 QB. Jim Sorgi was placed on injured reserve in early December. He’s two inches taller and has avout five more years clipboard-holding experience than Painter, who was a rookie this past season.
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Never heard of him. Maybe he's better than Painter but
The Colts would still have a problem without Manning.
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You’re both part right. Painter was a rookie and was their #3 until Sorgi went down.
But since the Colts basically are 95% Manning (as opposed to only 75% or so Drew in our case), yeah, they’d be in trouble if either of them are behind center for an extended period of time.
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Maybe. Sorgi might be able to perform up to a Matt Cassel (at New England) level within the Colts system, if given extended reps with the first team and playing time. It’s pretty much impossible to tell what any player would do, unless they’re given that opportunity.
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I didn’t say they’d be dead. I just said they’d be in trouble. Even if for no other reason that the time it took him to get up to decency. Cassell won quite a few games for NE too but they had to change their scheme to fit him and it was too little too late to get them back to the playoffs.
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Don't need to waste a draft pick, Payton's making a project out of Delhomme
rotoworld.com:
Jake Delhomme-QB- Panthers Mar. 4 – 10:20 pm et
Panthers released QB Jake Delhomme.
Delhomme has had an interesting and admirable career, beginning as an undrafted free agent in 1999 before taking over as Carolina’s offensive leader in 2003. Though he sports a 50-31 career record and a pair of impressive playoff runs, Delhomme has been a wreck since his six-turnover game against the Cardinals two years ago. Matt Moore becomes the favorite to start for the Panthers while Delhomme could head back home to back up Drew Brees.
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by stujo4 on Mar 4, 2010 10:23 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Huh?
You’d rather keep Brunell? Is that what you said? Surely you jest. Brunell is ready for the rocking chair. Jake has some gas left in the tank. His shoulder needed a full season to heal. The Saints screwed up when they let Jake go the first time and kept Aaron Brooks. Unfortunately he will get swooped up by someone in dire need of a QB like the Raiders or Broncos, or Vikes if Favre doesn’t come back.
“The Saints screwed up when they let Jake go the first time and kept Aaron Brooks.”
I completely disagree. Brooks was the better QB of the two at the time, and by a wide margin. They also didn’t “let Jake go”. He was an UFA and left on his own accord, for a contract that no NFL GM in his right mind would have been willing to pay for a backup. That includes Mickey Loomis, in case you’ve forgotten who was calling the shots in 2002.
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by coldpizza on Mar 5, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Jake Delhomme would be be an adequate veteran back up quarterback
and he could probably be gotten at a bargain since he’s walking away from Carolina with 12 million for nothing. Hopefully he has no ill will against the Saints. I do not think that he does. He lives in Breaux Bridge so it’s close to home.The “Sean” will put the spell on him…
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Having Jake as a #3 quarterback would be a boost in the "spy vs. spy" game.
A veteran QB to call on, if needed, and a lot of info on the Panthers’ offense. He could turn into the Favre of the NFC South!
Now, if we could have scored Peppers (alas, the Bears already have him) that would have been a major blow to the Carolina fans and really made things interesting at least twice a year.
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by Just 'Nother Day on Mar 5, 2010 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
Torn......
I can’t decide about Joke….I mean Jake. I have seen him quite a bit over the last 4 years. My hang-up…..he WHINES more than any QB I have seen! Oh heck……..cut Brunnell, keep Chase and draft this guy!!!!! WHO DAT!!!!!!
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How about Pennington?
Very Accurate.
Doesn’t have to have a strong arm in our system. Just be accurate.
Perfect veteran backup for our team.
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by Breesus Christ Superstar on Mar 5, 2010 8:09 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
another good option for backup... very good option.
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by greenwald200 on Mar 5, 2010 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
how bout this
I think we all need to let our G.M. and coaching staff make this selection. Afer all, they dida petty good job this past year.
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by carolinasaintsfan on Mar 5, 2010 8:11 PM CST reply actions
sorry
didn’t mean petty, but pretty. Just like our Super Bowl Win.
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by carolinasaintsfan on Mar 5, 2010 8:13 PM CST reply actions
Just lively discussion..........Where U at?
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by SAINTSfaninNC on Mar 5, 2010 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
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