2010 CSC Community Mock Draft: The Pittsburgh Steelers Select...
Time for the eighteenth overall selection in our second annual Canal Street Chronicles community mock draft. Our very own CSC contributor, saints-nation, is our Pittsburgh Steelers representative this year and is in charge of making the pick for them. That selection can be found right after the jump.
Thank you, saints-nation, for your participation.
With the eighteenth pick in the 2010 CSC community mock draft, the Pittsburgh Steelers select...
Mike Iupati, OL, Idaho
The Steelers have been doing a magnificent job of mailing in the season after winning the Super Bowl the past two times. When you've got big expectations in title town, a quick bounce back is always assumed. It may not be that easy to jump right back into the playoff conversation for the Steelers, though. At what point does this team decide, for starters, that their two-time Super Bowl champion quarterback was a bad investment?
Yeah, that's right, I said it. The guy holds onto the ball longer than it takes Sting to complete an orgasm. Last year he was sacked a whopping 50 times. Besides Aaron Rodgers, also sacked 50 times, the next most sacked quarterback last year was Jason Campbell at 43. Drew Brees, by comparison, was sacked twenty times. Think about that for a second, Roethlisberger was sacked more than Brees by 250%. The last four years Roethlisberger has been sacked 46, 47, 46 and 50 times, so it's pretty clear the guy isn't getting any better with his release (that's what Sting said). While he's got enough size to absorb more hits than the average quarterback, at what point do the face sitting sessions he's getting from 300+ pound monsters start to affect his longevity? Forget making it out of the regular season alive, he almost didn't make it alive out of the offseason. Let's also not forget that he's obviously got a penchant for the "no means yes" philosophy.
Am I suggesting the Steelers should admit their mistake in committing to Roethlisberger and groom a replacement? I wish business in the NFL was that simple, as I'm sure the Steelers do too. But come on, let's not be stupid. I'm just suggesting they were stupid for banking on him in the first place. This team's foundation, at it's peak, was good enough to win with many different signal callers.
That's not to say Roethlisberger's play on the field hasn't been outstanding at times, but there's also a reason that despite the fact that he ranks ahead of Peyton Manning and Drew Brees in Super Bowl wins, he's never mentioned in the same breath with those guys in terms of ability. The problem is, now that the foundation is starting to crumple, the Steelers need big Ben to carry them. They don't really have a choice either, since they're on the hook for $102 million over eight years (signed in 2008). So now more than ever is the time to protect their investment by rebuilding that foundation around him.
Here's the question facing the Steelers as they look to make their first round selection: Do they improve protection for Big Ben by adding a ready-to-start lineman to the mix? Or do they start the youth movement on their aging defense? While the defense is old, as long as Troy Polamalu can stay healthy (which is no given) it's safe to say the Steelers' defensive production can be steady. They'll go with the best offensive lineman available to keep their poster boy clean on the field.
The man that fits this bill is Mike Iupati of Idaho. He's ready to start in the NFL immediately at guard, and he's versatile enough to shift over to tackle if necessary. He's 6'6" 330lbs. and he's big, mean and powerful. Just what the doctor ordered.
As for keeping their poster boy clean off the field...good luck!
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voted YES - protect BIG BEN and open up holes for Mendenhall is what they need to improve upon the most
Nice job on the write-up. Good logic with a perfect blend of seriousness and “that’s what Sting said” jocularity.
"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis
I don't agree with that
Neil O’Donnel led this team to SB XXX, Kordell Stewart led us to 2 or 3 AFCCG, and Tommy Maddox led us to the playoffs. Now the thing that is holding us back is our OC Bruce Arians, the man who ruined Tim Couch is calling our plays. A case in point of this year when we lossed to Cleveland Browns(words don’t describe how mad I get when I write that) its 3 & 1 we just ran the ball tiwce for nine yards, what does this Football Genius call a five wide empty back field shotgun set needless to say the browns knew what was coming called a corner blitz and sack Ben for a loss. Now Ben does hold on to the ball to long but some plays that have come out of that are the GW TD pass in the AFCCG against Baltimore he held on to the ball to long. during SB XLIII in the GW drive he held on to the ball to long on about three of those plays and two of those were to Santonio Holmes. One was the play where Aaron Fransico fell down allowing Santonio to take the ball to about the 14 yard line and the other one was the GW TD catch in which BVen went to Santiono who was his fourth read on the play. So while Bens play can be infuriating from time to time it is effective. Also Last time I checked Ben is innocent until proven guilty so get off your high horse
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Its a Great Day to be a Mountaineer where ever you may be" Tony Caridi
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
by WVPiratesfan on Mar 21, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
You might want to check out the second word in arcuate’s post.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
I see that
I was just pointing out that we have had great sucess with Average, below average and horrendous QB
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Its a Great Day to be a Mountaineer where ever you may be" Tony Caridi
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
by WVPiratesfan on Mar 22, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
My high horse bolted.
As coldpizza stated, I said ‘if’.
And, just to prove I lack morals and integrity, if Big Ben is suspended, I’d wager a lot of money on the Steelers not making a winning record this season
How good is it to see Pittsburgh picking 14 places below the Saints?
How many time has that happened ? Agree with the pick BTW.
Lets GEAUX SAINTS.......... ALL THE WAY!!!!
Steelers should draft Tebow
At least they would have a guy at QB that they won’t have to worry about raping anybody.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
He should go to Tiger Woods for some advice
on how to keep his affairs secret for at least a few years
The Easter Bunny is a savage...
Steelers Fan here
I voted “No” mostly because of your explanation of the pick. There are several things I disagree with.
At what point does this team decide, for starters, that their two-time Super Bowl champion quarterback was a bad investment?If you can name a team in the NFL that wouldn’t pay that contract and take some of the off field drama for 2 SBs in 4 years I’d be surprised. The investment was worth every single penny and I doubt you will find a Steelers fan who would give away those 2 rings to have never drafted Ben. The Steelers went 26 years without winning a Super Bowl. Many of those years we had a “great team” just like today’s team. However, we did not have a franchise QB that could carry the team on his arm in crucial moments (see the 8 or 4th quarter wins Ben had in 2008, 2 in the POs I believe). We do have a great defense and great offensive role players, but without a great QB that means nothing. How would you all feel without Drew Brees?
The sack situation. Ben’s greatest strength as a QB is his ability to extend plays. This could be argued more recently since his accuracy and decision making are improving. Anyway, he can break tackles and avoid would be sacks better than any QB out there. Sometimes it leads to Ward breaking off a route and Ben hitting him 15 yards down field for a huge conversion. However, sometimes it leads to big sacks that are not the OLs fault. Unfortunately, for Steelers OL, that discrepancy does not show in the stat box.
So people see 50 sacks and they wrongly think “wow that OL sucks.” Max Starks and Willie Colon are two of the names that usually get the most flack. People fail to recall that Starks blanked Jared Allen (0 sacks) and Elvis Dumerville (0.5 sacks) this year. And Willie Colon is believed to be the most improved Steelers player over the last season by a lot of well informed Steelers fans.
They’ll go with the best offensive lineman available to keep their poster boy clean on the field.That is no the Steelers drafting MO. They draft by BPA, regardless of player position. That is how the Steelers always remain a perennial power because they are able to reload players easily because they generally get a good “bang for their buck” in their drafts because a good portion of their picks pan out. Am I saying the Steelers won’t take Iupati? No. I am saying they will take who they assess as the best player available at that point in the draft. If their is a better DB or LB available they will take him and grab an OL later.
Also, lets not throw Ben under the bus before the judicial system runs its course. With Ms. McNulty, the DA never pressed for criminal charges because there was nothing that “held water”. The case is just a civil suit right now that doesn’t seem to be going anywhere. In this current Georgia case, Ben is innocent until proven guilty. As of now, Ben is only guilty of poor decision making and I will hold back from blindly passing judgment. I will stand behind him until there is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that something happened.
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
It was a very nice write up but
I do not agree with this particular pick.
Yes this pick makes perfect sense with you well in-depth explanation.
However the steelers head coach has always attributed Big Ben’s quanity of sacks to Ben holding the ball to long looking for the play. In addition the steelers are one of those teams that builds their foundation around defense not offense. The defense is molded arounded Troy Polomau. I actually see them taking a LB at this position. If they do decide to pick a OL to me it would signify a different philosphy beginning to take hold.
But…. you get a rec from me….
However the steelers head coach has always attributed Big Ben’s quanity of sacks to Ben holding the ball to long looking for the play.
All the more reason to make sure you have one of the best offensive lines in the league. Ben doesn’t appear to be changing his habits any time soon.
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Ben would still take sacks
even if you took the best Five OLinemen and put them infront of him, because he hold on to the ball for to long
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Its a Great Day to be a Mountaineer where ever you may be" Tony Caridi
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
by WVPiratesfan on Mar 22, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Too long based on WHAT, exactly? How long his current line is able to sustain their blocks? Outside of the Pro Bowl (where sacks aren’t allowed), when have you ever seen the five best offensive linemen on the same team, in order to know how much passing time their advanced blocking skills would allow?
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
I think you missed his point
Ben does hold on to the ball longer than 3-4 seconds quite often. And 3-4 seconds is the window that most OL can be expected to hold a block. So he was saying, even with the 5 greatest line men in the league, Ben would still take 40+ sacks a year.
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
3-4 seconds is the average based on all offensive linemen. If you had five exceptional linemen all starting on the same team, I can’t imagine that not lowering his sack total. Btw, what happened back in 2005, when he took less than two sacks per game? That would equate to around 30 over 16 games. Was his OL not better back then, with Alan Faneca and Marvel Smith? They won the SB that year, did they not?
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
The offense threw the ball only 168 times that year, or 14 times per game with Ben in. Last year he threw it 337 times in 15 games, or 22.5 times per game. Clearly, you cannot compare the sack numbers with such a discrepancy in the offensive game plans. Ben’s sack per drop back was still very high in 2005 at about 8% (compared to 9% this year). Keep in mind, a good sack % is lower than 5 and average is about 6%.
Didn’t this current group of OL also win a SB?
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
And the very disrepancy of which you speak can be pinned on the OL. Ben isn’t calling the plays. There’s a reason they’re passing more than ever now. It their lack of a running game. Yes, they did win the SB again, but they struggled to do so. Don’t you agree that they were a more potent offense overall, when they had better balance? It’s hard to say with any degree of certainty that Mendenhall isn’t good enough to provide that balance, if he doesn’t have the lanes to work with.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
You don’t watch the Steelers much, do you? The Steelers threw that ball a lot because our offensive coordinator likes to throw the ball because he believes that is where we have our best talent. At the beginning of the year, I’d have a hard time arguing with him. Our RBs were Parker who is a shell of his old self, a 2nd year back who spent the majority of his rookie season injured, and a good 3rd down situational back. Compare that to two SB MVP WRs, a QB just hitting the prime of his career, a TE fresh off a new contract getting better every year, and a lot of young potential at WR. Yeah, I’d throw the ball a lot too.
However, as the year wore on and Mendenhall established himself as the clear starter, we should have balanced out. Our running game WAS there. Mendenhall finished with a 4.6 yards per carry, which is very good. We did not balance out because our OC is stubborn and prefers to pass. The OL was opening holes for Mendy when plays were called, but the offense was not balanced enough.
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
You’re acting like just because he holds on to the ball longer than other QBs in the league, that protecting him is a moot point. If sacks were simply about lost yards, that may be true. He could also get seriously injured. I suppose you could throw caution out the window completely and line up six wide at WR, with Roethlisberger lined up in shotgun behind his one man © line. Hey, as long as seven are on the line of scrimmage, it’s legal. Plus, let’s face it, if it’s a passing play, he’s going to get sacked NO MATTER WHAT, so why not dare to be different?
Iupati is more than likely going to be playing G in the NFL, so this pick would be more about keeping the pocket intact and assisting in the running game — something that the Steelers have slowly (and unwisely) gettign away from) — than it is about QB protection anyway. Still, I think it’s a bit ludicrous to down play the importance of an OL, based on the poor habits of your QB.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Our Offensive Line is not as bad as people think
but do we need to get better there yes, Thats why we brought in a New OL coach to help get the current guys better. What I’m saying is that ben holds on to the ball to long to try to make plays and some times it can blow up in his face other times it turns into alot of yards and TD. A case in point of Ben holding on to the ball for way to long is when he was at Miami(OH) he scrambled for something like 13 seconds and because no DB at any level of football can cover a guy for that long he found someone downfield for a TD. Its just how Ben is and no matter who you put in front of him he still going to about 15-20 sacks that are on him and 10-15 that are on the OL and about 5-10 that are a combo of both it just how he plays the game.
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Its a Great Day to be a Mountaineer where ever you may be" Tony Caridi
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
by WVPiratesfan on Mar 22, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Then what they should do is seek out college quarterbacks that play the same way Ben does, and draft their senior offensive linemen each year, until they piece together a cohesive unit completely adept at pass protecting under those difficult circumstances. Surely they could come up with 7 or 8 guys that excel in a moving pocket offense, even if they have to dig down into the Div III schools. It’s not a completely unique situation to the game itself. Obviously, you could get those guys late and work on other areas in the early rounds. The run blocking would then be all the OL coach would have to focus on.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Then again, I don’t know how much you want to build your offense around a guy that could wind up in jail shortly. Still, I don’t think one guy in that vein would hurt anything, expecially if he’s a later round pick.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
we do have another guy who can run around like a chicken with it head cut off
Dennis Dixon who cam in the week after ben got a concusion and Charlie broke his wrist( in two plays) in KC and played very well against a Good Baltimore defense, the only mistake he made a INT in OT when Baltimore called a zone blitz and their DE Kruger made a great catch when Dixon either didn’t see him or wasn’t expecting him to be there(I think it was a timing route to Holmes). In that game he showed that he can make pick apart a defense running man coverage, either with his legs or his arm. But when the Ravens dropped into Zone the lack of playing time and time to really prepare showed up and he looked confused at times, but on the bright side he didn’t get picked of by Ed Reed so atleast something positive came out of that game
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Its a Great Day to be a Mountaineer where ever you may be" Tony Caridi
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
by WVPiratesfan on Mar 22, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m not saying go after those QBs, I’m saying go after their linemen. Or go back and sign some of the guys from Miami OH that blocked for Roethlisberger in college. He wasn’t taking that many sacks per game back then. Evidently that’s the type of players you need blocking for him, not the prototype mish-mash you’re currently fielding. If a QB can succeed running around like that — regardless of at what level — his OL is obviously doing something right. Why not go after THOSE guys, not necessarily the best pro prospects at their respective positions?
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
I think you are dreaming. The “magic number” or whatever you want to call it is 3.5 seconds. On average an OL can hold his block for that long. Ben likes to hold on to the ball for well over that time which causes even the best blockers to break down. I think if there was a “better type of OL to fit that system”, Kevin Colbert would have found it. He is a great drafter and knows how to keep the Steelers relevant with great drafts.
If you don’t believe me that our OL is not that bad, just look when we played the Ravens in Baltimore last year. Ben is out with an injury and Dixon comes in. Baltimore was pretty good at getting to the QB, but got there 0 times. Clearly, our OL is not as awful as everyone wants to blame.
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
“On average an OL can hold his block for that long.”
I don’t disagree with that. I’m also not talking about average offensive linemen. We discussed the five best in the NFL. I also brought up linemen specifically catered to QBs that bide their time on the run. In either case, those “magic numbers” are going to be higher than the average, if you’re targeting such players. Vastly different approaches, mind you. The former would require a series of first round picks be spend on linemen. The latter would afford more improvement in other areas, but would be more akin to finding needles in a haystack, based on the rarity of his playing style at the Div 1 level.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
They are not that much higher than average. I’d say t he best OL in the league do not hold their blocks longer, they just do it on a more consistent basis.
If you want your team to draft based on wild guesses, be my guest. However, I prefer the Steelers drafting BPA without putting much weight on “need”. That is what keeps them a perennial power in the AFC.
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
Perennial powers don’t typically miss the playoffs.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Right
Playoff teams don’t generally have their two star defensive players out for the majority of the season. Please spare me the wise cracks.
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
can't overestimate the loss of Aaron Smith
every talks about Troy but losing Aaron was even more catistrophic to the defense
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Its a Great Day to be a Mountaineer where ever you may be" Tony Caridi
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
by WVPiratesfan on Mar 22, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
People who don't know the Steelers
Apparently, this Saints fan knows more about the Steelers than either one of us.
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
In retrospect:
If they do indeed pick up a OL in the 1st round, how many sacks will that save them?
Answer: no one really knows, but it would provide Big Ben with some help.
Average OL with QB that holds on to the ball = Sacks+++.
Above AVG OL with QB that holds on to the ball = Sacks+
Perfect OL with a QB that holds on to the ball = Sacks
Ben has been able to get away with this because the defense has, in the past bailed him out.
Give a man a fish and he gets to eat for the day, teach a man how to fish, and he eats year round.
By Drafting an OL will only fuel the “hold on to the ball behavior.”
By Drafting an good quality LB will fuel the “hold on to the ball behavior.”
Either way, they need to change the behavior of Ben.
In the past that has been with the defense.
Thats why i believe it will be a defensive pick rather than a offensive pick.

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