Time to buy a new Jersey 8(
NFL. Com is Reporting that Fujita Signed with the Browns. Sigh, Time to buy a new team Jersey. Noticed this on the Free Agent Tracker. I am not sure if this was a good idea. Fujita has always been a solid part ot this Teams Defence. So where do we go from here? Draft? any LBs in FA? I guess only time will tell. I really like Fujita on the Team. I guess the Saints Can Match his offer right?
Carl
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He's a UFA
If he wanted the Saints to match, he could’ve told them about the contract offer and given them a chance, I guess, but he wasn’t obligated to…
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." Bobby McCray
I've used that position myself
“If you think I’m worth that much, why didn’t you give me that in the FIRST place? If I take it, I have to walk around here knowing that the boss looks at me and thinks he’s paying me too much. No, I’m going to go. Whaddya MEAN you’re not paying me my unused vacation???”
All my ex-employers love respect remember me.
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Slim pickings in the FA market...
http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&yr=2009&nid=83&lnid=83&rc=16&pid=27
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Hey Cato June's available
Just kidding. Are you kidding me?
It’ll have to be addressed in the draft.
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I'd rather Derrick Brooks... but yeah, draft and existing players.
maaaaybe a trade?
Mike Bell and a 3rd round pick for Lofa Tatupu.
He had a down year, but maybe we can get him cheap and he can bounce back.
(I just noticed he’s an MLB… hmmm….)
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darn google! thanks for the correction.
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ouch
first post-Super Bowl bubble-poppage for the Amazing New Orleans Saints.
But hey, we knew we couldn’t keep every piece together forever, right?
But I am sad about him leaving. I gained new respect for him after hearing him mic’ed up @ SB XLIV…
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." Bobby McCray
The BROWNS?!
…seriously?
If he’s ready to take a payday to go to a team with no future, then he’s given up on himself, sadly.
Damn shame, I really liked Scotty too….
Who Dat? TWO DAT! Do dat AGAIN!!!
Can't knock him for going to the Browns . . .
He came to us when we were a 3-13 Hurricane ravaged team. That worked out pretty nicely for both us and him. Some guys aren’t afraid of going to rebuilding projects, and he should be given credit for being willing to do so. Not insulted by saying “he’s given up on himself, sadly”
by Devin Grabarek on Mar 7, 2010 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
Point taken...
…typed and posted in haste and frustration.
I really DO like the guy and wanted him to finish up in black & gold. :-\
That said, I doubt he gets another ring in Cleveland.
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by GSO Saints Fan on Mar 7, 2010 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
While stranger things have happened, they have three teams that are significantly better than them in their own division to climb over before they can worry much about the rest of the playoff field. By the time that happens, he’ll have retired or at least had this contract expire.
For those who can't remember the uncapped FA rules, this link's for you.
I hear ya... I really do.
And I appreciate that he came to us when he did.
But, he’s older now… His priorities, presumably, may have changed.
Does he believe he has another 3+ years to work on a re-building project?
Does he think the Browns are going to trade for a Drew Brees-type QB, and a jonathan Vilma-type MLB, and find a Colston/Moore/etc, and hire a GW-type D’coordinator, and…. and… and…. basically, catch lightning in a bottle?
I guess it could happen…. But I’d put big money down that it won’t.
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3 years and $14 million for Fujitsu
that’s a lot of oreos
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." Bobby McCray
That's bull crap.
We all know Fujita’s character. He has right to secure a future for himself financially, and it’s arrogant to think that our favorite team is necessarily everyone’s favorite team. If you think he’s given up on himself, how do you explain him coming here when we were 3-13. Or have you forgotten those days already?
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by Joseph William Stern on Mar 7, 2010 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
As a player, my favorite team would be the one that paid me the most. Odds are pretty good that they’ll still be making pom poms after I retire.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
by coldpizza on Mar 7, 2010 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
boom
can’t fault the guy for signing…would anyone one in here refuse a pay raise? didn’t think so
i need a new jersey as well :[
"if you know what life is worth, you will look for yours on earth" Bob Marley
I don't know what the Saints offered, and I don;t know how well he manages his money, but...
I’d rather 2-3mil/year to be on a proven winner that I’m already comfortable with, even if my role diminished to a part-time guy…. than 5mil/yr to be a starter on a HORRIBLE team in C L E V E L A N D.
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by Dan Kelly on Mar 7, 2010 8:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s where we differ. I’d play for the Arena League, if they were willing to pay me $2M more than what I was making in the NFL. Maybe not as a rookie, but as a 31 year old vet? In a heartbeat.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
I hear ya... I do.
I just HATE losing.
I’d HATE being on a s****y team like the Browns. It would frustrate me to NO END!
I’d turn into T.O…. yelling at my teammates to play up to their abilities.
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Sigh, Time to buy a New Jersey.
For the record, a New Jersey is just a place where a New York dumps its sewage. Not really worth the asking price ;-)
BEST WISHES
It will be difficult to replace Scott Fujita as a player and more importantly as a person. Thank you for all of your hard work. You will be missed. I wish him nothing but the best.
Time to sign
Will Witherspoon! He’ll be the stop gap until Arnoux or Casillas is ready.
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Ugh
do we really want this?
OLB Sean Weatherspoon, Missouri
For as well as Weatherspoon worked out on the field and for as much as his “character” is praised within the Missouri program, he has turned off a number of decision makers just as much with his outlandish, look-at-me, loudmouth personality and has been criticized for worrying too much about his image and post-football career aspirations before he has accomplished anything in the National Football League. “He never shuts up,” one top executive said. “He was the loudest guy in the room for the bench press. He gives me a headache. I think he is full of (it). It’s all about himself. I don’t want him in my locker room.”
two different player
He said SIGN Witherspoon not DRAFT Witherspoon!
Not worried about that...
he carries a swagger about himself for sure, but with Vilma, Smith, possibly Sharper and Greer on the field and his crazed work ethic, I think he is Saints material…
With the 32nd pick of the 2010 NFL Draft, the New Orleans Saints take... The suspense is killing me!
try not to be so excited - oh, that's the source
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." Bobby McCray
I think he can mature in the offseason.
As long as he’s not a problem like Adam Jones…
But I defer all draft decisions to PS/ML. (I should put that as my sig, since I don’t know much about college players.)
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his outlandish, look-at-me, loudmouth personality
The Saints don’t draft this kind of player. Tell me I’m wrong.
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you are right
Weatherspoon is an exceptional player, but we don’t draft players like that. It’s why we skipped over Vontae Davis last year, along with the fact that the equally talented Jenkins was available, but yeah that’s my point. Weatherspoon won’t be a Saint.
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This hurts
I think we were all hoping to upgrade DE and OLB this offseason. Now if becomes imperative that we get somebody for both of those positions. Right now our starting strong side linebacker would be between Stanley Arneaux and Troy Evans. We also have Bobby McCray starting at left DE. I’m not exactly pleased with either of these two possibilities for opening day.
Having a position that you would like to improve is bad enough, but now we are left with 2 positions that we have to improve. Fujita and Grant were never stars, but they were adequate. I just hope we can do better than adequate with their replacements.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
I can’t imagine the dropoff from Fujita to either one of those guys rendering the position upgrade IMPERATIVE. That being said, there is (and already was) a considerable amount of room for improvement.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Same vow for Mr. coldpizza as for Mr. M-E
Every time a linebacker makes an error in 2010, I’ll be there to paste from my notepad document into the game day thread “That would not have happened if Scott Fujita was still on this team” I think you’ll be surprised how annoying it is going to get around here.
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I still like Weatherspoon
you want a guy to talk on defense. Not necessarily a bad thing if he’s talkative. Defense is about communication. Everybody has to be on the same page or else you might give up a TD, so if Weatherspoon isn’t afraid to speak up, that might not be such a bad thing. Plus, learning from a guy like Vilma can go a long way.
P.S. Just heard on NFL Network that they can really see LT coming to the Saints at this point. They said he has stated that he doesn’t need to start and doesn’t want to go somewhere that would tarnish his image…meaning he still wants to win and be a role player. Sounds good to me
that's what she said
(Rita, when asked by Mickey if he could drop a ton of dough on Fujita)
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Eric Norwood’s the answer. I’ve seen him fall into the middle of the third on a few mocks. I’d take him at the end of the 2nd, unless they address the position upfront. For the record, I’m leaning towards DE first now, knowing that he’s likely to be around.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Norwood's a machine
he made SC’s defense much better, was an absolute blitzing beast
How were his coverage skills?
(since that’s what most of the complaints about Fujita were.)
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My biggest complaint with both Fujita and Shanle has always been their reactionary skills, as well as their ability to penetrate the backfield when called upon to do so. Neither are very agile (or if they are, they don’t regularly utilize it), both are solid tacklers. Admittedly, I saw signs of life out of Fujita in the Cardinals playoff game, but that was it. That leads me to believe that it may be the way they were being utilized, i.e., NOT called upon to disrupt. That’s sorta two-fold though, because without knowing the reasoning behind NOT utilizing them in that capacity, you could just as easily argue “because they’re not best suited for that” as you could “because that’s not how GW runs the defense”. My reluctancy to except the latter excuse being that that wasn’t how Gibbs ran the defense, either. Regardless, at some point the question that begs to be asked is, if they can’t blitz and they can’t contain, then why are they starting at OLB? I mean, these are fairly paramount responsibilities in ANY scheme, not just the 4-3. As I’ve said many times before, they both seem(ed) like sub-par (backup) SAMs at best. Tackling 7 and 8 yards up the field on running plays aside, neither are effective WILLs whatsoever. If Norwood (or anyone, for that matter, including Arnoux) isn’t as good a SAM as Shanle, then by all means, keep Shanle at the SAM. If they’re not as good as Troy Evans at the WILL, then obviously I don’t want anythign to do with them. I know that’s not the case with Norwood, because I’ve seen him play a handful of times over his career at South Carolina, out of both a 3-4 and occasionally what amounted to a make-shift 4-3 (he’d creep up and the other three LBs would shift, with the RILB becoming the ROLB in the process). I’ve yet to see Arnoux play, so no telling on him.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
reactionary skills
That’s as far as I got. Conventional wisdom. And yet, with Drew Brees (Drew BREES!) playing approximately the same over 4 seasons, these 2 slow footed dimwits managed to not only stay on the roster, but were starters throughout the playoffs of a championship season. Jesus1000, the Saints must have had a bunch of NFL hall of fame players on defense to make up for these 2 mouth breathing clump clompers.
In other words, the Saints won a trophy in spite of Shanle and Fujita. Right. Tell me the one about the JFK single shooter again.
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That’s my opinion. The Colts won a Super Bowl with Cato June. That doesn’t mean he’s worth a c*** as an OLB.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
chit?
You better look before you leap, still waters run deep
And there won't always be someone there to pull you out
“the Saints must have had a bunch of NFL hall of fame players on defense to make up for these 2 mouth breathing clump clompers.”
The defense caused a lot of turnovers this past season. If that’s what you want to call “making up for it” then yeah, I suppose they did. Statistically speaking, 26th to 23rd to 25th in yards allowed over the past three seasons isn’t really “making up” for anything. It’s business as usual, which is pretty much to be expected with roughly the same front 7. (I know the faces at DT have changed, but they’ve all been about the same in terms of effectiveness).
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
So with the same front 7 on D for the past 3 years, and then an improved secondary in the 4th year resulting in a championship, the weakness must have been the secondary.
So the front 7 were adequate if not outstanding all 4 years.
Thank you, I knew you were a reasonable man.
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Not reasonable enough to agree with that. DE(s) and Vilma were our only saving grace on defense prior to this past season. “End two” + “middle one” does not equal “front seven”. In 2009, the secondary improved dramatically and turnovers were forced regularly. That that was enough to offset “End two” unequivocably becoming “End one” is just one more remarkable aspect in this unlikeliest of seasons. The Fujita-Shanle flip-flop seemed to help a little, too. I’ve already given Williams credit for that.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
You’re right, btw. I’ve never actually seen Norwood play OLB in a standard 4-3. I just figure with that much versatility and ability, it shouldn’t be that much of a problem. And if it is, just use him situationally. Not like we’ll be spending a first round pick on him anyway. If he’s more productive than Cie Grant and Alfred Fincher and all of these other so-called full time chumps that never saw the field in ANY capacity, then he’s worth the pick imo, technically starting or not. At worst, it would be like lining Bobby McCray up as an OLB, which they’ve done in the past. Renaldo Turnbull used to float like that also, albeit out of the 3-4.
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Gotcha...
I just noticed that many other people were complaining about Scott’s coverage skills.
And, to your point about OLB’s in general…
A 3-4 “OLB” (see Demarcus Ware/Terrell Suggs) is VERY VERY different from an OLB in a 4-3 scheme…. so much so that I greatly dislike when people call 3-4 “OLB” who starts a majority of their snaps with their hand in the ground an “OLB”.
That’s NOT an OLB, that’s a DE who sometimes plays OLB.
Then the “experts” at Yahoo make comments like that about Norwood. They were basically saying, Norwood is a 3-4 “OLB” and is limited as a 4-3 LB.
(None of this is directed at you, CP. It’s directed at the MSM who lumps those to VERY different playing styles in the same category. They should call them “small DE” or “3-4 OLB”.)
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“Then the "experts" at Yahoo make comments like that about Norwood. They were basically saying, Norwood is a 3-4 "OLB" and is limited as a 4-3 LB.”
I know exactly what you mean. At the same time, I’ve seen Shawne Merriman — as a true 3-4 OLB — creep up WITHOUT his hand on the ground and , for all intents and purposes, become a DE. If you’re not going to call that a 4-3, why not? Just because he’s standing upright? Considering Merriman’s pass rushing skills from a crouch, why would you WANT him down on his hand? He’s certainly not going to get back there any faster than he already does. I view Norwood in much the same light, although I think he’s a little better in playing the run than Merriman is. Regardless, he has a nose for the backfield. So does Antwan Barnes and Quincy Black, if you take exception to comparing a rookie to an All-Pro. That type of player fits into ANY defensive scheme, imo. Maybe not like a glove, but you don’t see teams shying away from guys like this based on their every down effectiveness. You pretty much know what you’re getting … a pass rusher. If you’re not blitzing and he can’t hack the standard OLB duties in the scheme you’re running, replace him with a more suitable player in the starting lineup. At least you’re better off having a player like Merriman on your roster, strictly for what he brings to the table in those passing situations.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
If we don't go OLB in the 1st
I want Dekoda Watson. Some sites have him projected as a 4th rounder, which could be a steal if you look at his skill set compared to our needs. He absolutely tore it up at the combine.
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OLB Eric Norwood, South Carolina
Entered the Combine with questions about where he would play, having appeared less instinctive playing on his feet than when he lined up with his hand on the ground to rush the passer on third downs, but he moved around very well in drills and despite measuring barely above 6-feet flat, he did have among the longest arms of any linebacker at 33 3/8 inches and should have a very safe landing spot potentially in the second round in an aggressive "30" front such as the Steelers or Ravens.
Source: Yahoo.com
ie. He’d be better in a 3-4 scheme, and his coverage skills are no where near his blitzing skills… when he starts with his hand on the ground.
ie. He’s a small, fast DE.
If that’s what you want (as you’ve said), so be it… but, but he doesn’t appear to be a 4-3 OLB, like we need.
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Versatility: Norwood is best used as a 3-4 Outside Linebacker but could do well as a 4-3 Strongside Outside Linebacker in a scheme like New Orleans’ or Philadelphia’s. He could play end in a 4-3 for teams that don’t mind undersized ends. Norwood’s talent is as an edge rusher; playing off the line of scrimmage or in space is something he can do but it’s not his strength.
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2010/2/16/1313528/eric-norwood-nfl-draft-scouting
I disagree with their strongside assessment, at least initially. If playing the 4-3. he’ll start as a weakside OLB. His forte is backfield disruption. As stated, he struggles against TEs. Why would you want a player that struggles against TEs, yet excels at pass rushing lined up on the strongside. That makes no sense to me. He may eventually progress to that point. Hopefully by then we won’t need that extra pressure out of a 4-3 OLB at all. As of today, our DEs aren’t bringing it consistently enough, so I’ll take every bit of situational help we can get.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Norwood
in the second or third round as a situational pass rusher sounds like a winner to me. I would, however, prefer Daryl Washington in the second round to take the place of Fujita. They say that Washington has the versatility to start at any linebacker position, rush the passer, and drop back into coverage. He fits the bill as an every down backer, but I’m not so sure he’ll be available to us at the 64th pick.
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I agree with this. I still think Norwood brings more to the table in the areas we lack, but now that Fujita’s gone, I’m not so sure we can afford to spend a first day pick on a player who might not work out to be an every down player. In other words, we may not have that luxury. If I knew a little bit more about Arnoux, then I might feel better sticking to my guns and going for the b****-to-the-wall to be used situationally and brought up to speed as a starter. The fact that we run both a 3-4 and a 4-3 eases that anxiety a little, but it’s probably best to start thinking full time WILL, as I’d like to avoid seeing Troy Evans anywhere but on special teams.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
I watched Arnoux in college a good bit...
…(Wake Forest is my “local” college team), and I think the kid has the POTENTIAL to be a full-time replacement for Fujita, and an upgrade at that. He has one heck of a motor, hits like a freight train, and is SMART. If Aaron Curry hadn’t been on the field with him all the time, he would have been noticed a lot more, IMO.
I’m thinking that the reason Fujita got away so easily is that his replacement was already “in house”….
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My thoughts on our D
All this talk about the 3-4 and 4-3 kind of got me thinking, and I’m more committed now to taking a DE with our first pick. In a 4-3 defense, the DE is where you make your money. Those are the guys that have to get pressure on the QB. The reason it is hard to run a 4-3 is because those guys like Will Smith are hard to come by.
As for 3-4 linebackers, you have to be careful when changing their system. They are playing in a system in which the D lineman are only asked to take up a ton of space and blockers. Will Smith won’t be doing that. He isn’t the kind of guy that will eat up 2 lineman and let the linebacker flow through behind him. When drafting a OLB, I want to know: can he cover a TE? can he tackle well? can he recognize a screen? These are the kind of things that make a linebacker successful in a 4-3, not just his blitzing ability.
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Depends on the situation, i.e., down and distance. On top of which, the Saints play the 3-4 quite a bit also. That means every player in their front seven is not being used optimally, at some point or another. While that “hybrid” ideology causes problems for opposing QBs, it doesn’t exactly lend itself to the conventional wisdom that the eleven best overall defensive players will comprise our starting lineup. You either have to come up 24 or so supremely versatile guys that excel in EVERY scheme you run (which is pretty much impossible, based on the scarcity of such players), or compromise by going the specialization route (which is pretty much what they’ve been doing). I personally don’t think they blitz enough with their OLBs, specifically when they’re in the 3-4, but also in general.
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