Saints Draft Day Trade Possibilities
by Dave Cariello on Apr 16, 2010 6:00 AM CDT
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PrintSean Payton and Mickey Loomis are anything but shy when it comes to making moves on draft day in an effort to get the player they really want.
Last season they tried very hard to to move up in the first round and acquire running back Beanie Wells but to no avail. Because they just had to make some kind of move, Payton and Co. jumped into the fifth round and wisely grabbed Thomas Morstead. In 2008 they actually did pull off a first round trade, sliding up two spots from tenth overall to eight and assuring they could select Sedrick Ellis. And when we thought they were finished after picking Taylor Mehlhaff with their last selection that year, they traded into the seventh round just to grab Adrian Arrington and maintain their draft high.
So if history is any predictor of the future, I think it's safe to say fans can expect some sort of fireworks display from Sean and Mickey next week. Most likely, an attempt to move up. It doesn't seem likely that with the final pick in the first round, they will be able to contain themselves and wait their turn to choose as players keep dropping off their board.
Of course they could choose to be on the other side of the transaction for once and actually trade down in an effort to acquire more draft picks. A move I personally wouldn't mind seeing, as anticlimactic as that may actually be. Unfortunately, that hasn't been as popular in recent draft history.
What do you think? Will the Saints front office continue their history of aggressive draft day maneuvering and how will it play out? Keep in mind the trade rumors already surrounding Jammal Brown. Or will the phone lines stay quiet this year? And finally, is this any different than what you hope the Saints will do during the draft?
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The only place I can see them moving up to id
at no. 23 where the Packers now sit. The main piece to that puzzle is if they want Jamaal. They are very old at tackle and most likely the studs at that position will most likely be gone in the top dozen picks. If they stay with Tauscher, then we’ll stay at 32.
I think the Saints will move
And I agree that the Packers would be the most likely spot to trade to should there be a move, with Brown being the bait.
But hey, I can still dream about shopping J. Brown and our first round pick this year and a second rounder next year to get the Lions first round pick, 2 overall. Imagine Suh (Or McCoy) in black and gold!! [/bliss]
Anywhoooo, back to reality…
by Jabbadahut99 on Apr 16, 2010 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the smile!
Stealing one of those guys from the Bucs would be nice; especially if the Rams pass on Bradford (which they should, I think).
That scenario may answer the question as to why the Saints have been so adamant about saving money so far this off-season.
"Why would I even consider taking the ball out of Drew Brees’ hands?’’
The Rams passing on Bradford would be huge for us. Not only would it screw the Bucs out of their biggest position of need (assuming the Lions nab the remaining DT), but it would also make 32 a hot spot at the end of the round, for teams looking to leapfrog St Louis for a QB.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
They will end up staying put - just a gut feeling (and my gut is quite substantial in girth)
Although not without trying to wheel and deal. But, there will be no takers at what we’re offering, and there aren’t any sure-fire super hot players they want that they’d be willing to give up the house for.
During the draft, we’ll probably hear rumors about some things they were/are trying to do (from Adam Shefter/Mortensen/LaCanfora, et al)…but I just don’t think anything will actually happen.
"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis
I usually go with my gut feelings...
But I’ve come to find out my gut has crap for brains.
by WhoDat_OH on Apr 16, 2010 6:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
nicely put, WhoDat_OH
"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis
by Hans Petersen on Apr 16, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
There is this rumour...
A couple of different guys on Nola.com have heard it…
1) Trade Hargrove to Detroit for their third rounder (#66)
2) Detroit can then draft Okung at #2
3) Washington needs now a tackle and trade with us – Jamaal Brown vs Haneysworth. JB can finally get his contract with Snyder and we save cap money (if next year there is a cap). I think Haneysworth contract is now worth 16 millions for three years with 8 guranteed or similar.
4) We fill a position need with a stud and now have picks 32/64/66 as war chest for the draft – 64/66 are equivalent to top of the second round
Tell-tales: they sign Wilkerson, Hargrove doesnt show up at OTA’s and JB signs his tender…
I’ll sign to it if turns out to be real….
"Saints don't commit sins, they exorcise demons. The NFL most accurate passer was preaching, and the league MVP watched as the Game MVP delivered an impressive sermon"
1) Trade Hargrove to Detroit for their third rounder (#66)
2) Detroit can then draft Okung at #2
Okung + Hargrove > Backus + Suh + a 3rd?
I guess they’d retain Backus as depth, but I still don’t see a whole lot of upside in that maneuvering. Then again, it’s the Lions. Maybe you’re on to something.
Love the Brown for Haynesworth swap, although I’d then feel compelled to use the 32nd pick on the best available OT. We could always shift Stinchcomb back over to the left side for a season, if need be. Not sure what his agent would think about that, but it at least works on the chalkboard.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Backus would...
go back to OG, where I believe is his natural position…
With the 32nd pick of the 2010 NFL Draft, the New Orleans Saints say "Sean Weatherspoon, come on down!!!"
According to this Pick Value Chart, If the Saints traded away every draft pick we own in this draft, it would only get us up to the #12 spot. Trading up is expensive when you are picking from the tail end of the round. The only way I could see us trading up is if it involves Jammal Brown, which I wouldn’t mind considering how well Bushrod played last year.
I wouldn’t like to see us trade for Haynesworth since it would involve us having to find a way to make him perform in a year that he isn’t playing for a bigger contract. I live in the Redskins TV area, so I got to see him dogging it on a lot of plays last year, but in fairness, so was everyone else on that team that isn’t named Orakpo.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
That is an excellent demonstration of the inherent asininity of those value charts.
All birds that fly high eventually have to come down to earth to get water.
Well I think that might be just a slight overstatement. I mean, you have to have charts. Not everybody is going to agree on the value of the pick of course, but you can come up with something that gave values most teams would consider “in the vicinity of reasonable” at least. The current chart, of course, is not.
Right now, because of the sheer insane cost of high draft picks, many teams ascribe significantly reduced or even outright negative value to the top 10 or so picks. In fact, at least one team in the last few years tried to trade down from #1 and the only offers they got was if they gave up additional picks, not the other way around. So that old chart — which takes ONLY the potential value of the pick itself and not the salary cost — would need serious revision. It’s also badly out of date anyway, and nobody ever truly did (or will ever) agree to make that the one-and-only standard… but you could use it as a start.
If we wanted to take into account salary cost, I’d probably use the current chart for everything from 20 and below. Then from 19 up to 15 I’d probably just say they’re all the same value as the #20, then from 14 up to 9 I’d drop each by 75 points, then from there up reduce by 150 points each.
Saints moved up 3 spots with New England a few years ago to get Ellis remember. The cost of that move according to the charts was insane….but New England did it for a late round pick. Those charts are fun for people to try to leverage with…but eventually reality rears its ugly head.
Trade down
In the new format of only drafting the first round on day one, I’ve been seeing speculation that some of the early round teams will be wanting to trade back into the first round to get their second guy. I wouldn’t mind seeing the Saints trade no. 32 for an early second round pick and an extra third or fourth round pick. It would only be a move down of a few spots and we’d get an extra pick out of it.
But, if one of their top-rated guys like Weatherspoon or others are available at no. 32, they should pull the trigger and get their man. A move up seems less likely, but definitely could happen.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Apr 16, 2010 9:56 AM CDT reply actions
What does the new format have to do with that? Are you saying they’d be more likely to do that because of the overnight intermission? Are NFL GMs that antsy?
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
That's what some are saying
The overnight intermission will motivate some teams to trade back into the first. Of course, those saying that also predicted the Patriots would win the Super Bowl this past year. So, take it with a grain of salt.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Apr 16, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
“since it would involve us having to find a way to make him perform in a year that he isn’t playing for a bigger contract.”
That’s what head coaches are for … motivating athletically gifted players. What player worth his salt in talent, has Sean Payton NOT been able to get the most of? Ok, maybe Joe Horn, but he was on the wrong side of 30.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Charles Grant and Jason David are the first 2 that come to mind.
Grant had a couple of 10 sack seasons before Payton came aboard. Jason David may be a product of a different system, but from what I heard, he had the basic athletic ability, but it just didn’t translate to performance. Reggie Bush could be another example depending on how you look at it. He may be one of the 10 most athletically gifted men in the NFL, but his on-the-field performance is pretty average.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
by VAsaintsfan on Apr 16, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I still think a completely unmotivated Albert Haynesworth would better than any DT we currently have on the roster.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Seeing as Haynesworth could simply sit down at the line of scrimmage,
Still suck up two blockers, and completely block up a running lane, I would have to agree. (No matter how much love I have for Ellis.)
by Jabbadahut99 on Apr 16, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd it
Just for the irony of someone named Jabbadahut99 commenting on DT girth. Although, I suppose that’s not actually irony. Irony would be you giving dietary advice. Help me, Rhonda. What am I trying to say?
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
by coldpizza on Apr 16, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well I’ll give you some advice. Put down the shovel, you’re almost to China by now.
by FriarBob on Apr 16, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It may just be the fact that I saw how little he cared last season, but I’d still take a rotation of Remi Ayodele and Anthoney Hargrove next to Ellis over Haynesworth. Rumors are that he and Shanahan are already butting heads, so I’d hate to see what would happen between him and Gregg Williams.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
by VAsaintsfan on Apr 16, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
The ring appeal could work magic I bet... lol
"Saints don't commit sins, they exorcise demons. The NFL most accurate passer was preaching, and the league MVP watched as the Game MVP delivered an impressive sermon"
I have already expressed my desire to pick Weatherspoon
It looks like we might have to move up to take him now, and I would say try and make the trade with Green Bay. Jamal Brown and our #1 for their #1. We can get, imo, a stud OLB who can come in and make an immediate impact, and we still have depth at tackle with Bushrod and Streif. And the Saints moved up from 10 to 7 to take Ellis, while passing on Keith Rivers and Jerod Mayo, 2 LBs who have made big impacts on their respective teams.
Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!
I’m definitely not ok with giving away Brown strictly to improve our draft position. There has to be a player and/or a pick involved as compensation. And I’m not talking about the player we select.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Usually in these situations
The teams flip-flop their 4th round picks as well. Or something to that nature. We would basically move up in 2 areas. I stand by it…..if we can still get Weatherspoon, I like the idea. If weatherspoon’s gone, I say trade down. It would suck to stay up all night Thursday night for the last pick just for them to trade down though.
Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!
i do not want Weatherspoon anywhere near our team
Heard nothing but bad news about him and how awesome he thinks he is.
However, there is a slight chance that walking into a locker room fresh off of a Super Bowl win would have him shut his mouth and open his mind.
Trade Jammal Brown to San Francisco for the 13th pick overall
then take Weatherspoon at 13 and Jerry Hughes at 32, the DOME PATROL will officially be back :)
Why would anyone give up at 1st round pick
For a player who’s just been injured for a year… when the draft is full of potential O-line stars.
agreed
they’d at least want our number one for that (though we might get their #5 as well)
by Andrew Tessier on Apr 16, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Jammal Brown is a pro-bowl LT, San Fran is in need of that
After the top 10, a lot of the top tackles will be gone, if Frisco were to draft a tackle at 13, it’d be a reach. Jammal is still young (29) and the Saints can add their 2nd rounder
Fixed that for you...
Jammal Browniswas a pro-bowl LT
Seriously though, I think Brown’s best years are behind him.
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by Dave Cariello on Apr 17, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I seriously doubt anyone would be willing to give up their first round pick for Jammal Brown alone.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
agreed
I’m with LSU FAN on this one.
If you’re going to move up, I would hope it’d be for Sean Weatherspoon. Maybe adding a couple 2s or 3s and moving back into the high-second wouldn’t be a bad choice though. I’m not sure I’m a big enough fan of any of the 3-tech DT’s enough to take at 32, and every team can always use extra picks.
by Billy Gomila on Apr 16, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Trading up makes little sense unless we are 100% sure
that we are getting an immediate, important starter
Is it possible to
Trade Jammal Brown for a 2nd round pick instead of a first? If so, I’m hoping we do because we’d then be able use that pick to trade for Jared Gaither from Baltimore. He’s better than JB, and a year younger I believe. I think he’s tendered for a 2nd round pick.
Now I may be wrong in everything I typed, but I don’t know. Btw, would a team like the Seahawks be dumb enough to take JB? For a 1st or 2nd round pick
by Ezio_Auditore on Apr 19, 2010 7:47 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
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