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2010 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Select Jimmy Graham, TE, Miami

And the hits just keep on coming! With their third round pick the Saints surprise yet again this year by selecting tight end Jimmy Graham from the University of Miami. 

The Saints really are sticking with the "Best Player Available" method of drafting. It is not a myth. Why else would they have selected Graham, who has four years of college basketball experience and only one year on the football field, with players like Everson Griffen and Eric Norwood still on the board. Tight end is certainly not the Saints strongest position but it's definitely not a pressing position of need. Not like, say, outside linebacker or defensive tackle.  

The Saints have drafted outside the box at every turn so far this year but this one is probably most puzzling to me. But my mantra these last two days must remain the same: Surely they know what they're doing. 

Does this mean the end for fan favorite Billy Miller? And what the hell kinda crazy ass tweet will Shockey put out first about his new teammate from his alma mater? I can't wait!

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Mocking the Draft's scouting report:

Final word: Everyone knows Graham is a project, considering he's only played football for less than a year. But the converted basketball player is ultra athletic and has great size. He showed at the Senior Bowl and combine that he's a talent but inconsistent. His fate will be determined by if he's willing to work to overcome his inexperience-based deficiencies.

From Draft Countdown:

Strengths:
Fantastic athlete --- Outstanding size with a large, rangy frame --- A terrific leaper --- Fast, quick and agile --- Soft hands --- Great ball skills and body control --- Able to do some damage after the catch --- Very aggressive --- Excellent effort as a blocker --- Still has a  ton  of  upside.

Weaknesses:
Extremely raw --- Inconsistent and dropped some balls --- Needs to get stronger --- Long ways to go when it comes to technique --- Unrefined as a route runner --- Isn't a dominating blocker --- Average  production.

Notes:
Just one season of college football experience --- Was a member of the Hurricanes basketball team from 2005 - 2008, averaging 4.2 points, 4.2 rebounds and 0.9 blocks --- Turned down an opportunity to play professionally overseas after his hardwood eligibility was exhausted to give football a try --- Ranked second on the team in touchdown catches in 2009 despite not playing the game since his freshman year of high school --- Has all of the physical tools you look for --- Rare talent who will be drafted based almost solely on potential but has the ability to be a superb all-around tight end at the next level --- Probably won't be "The Next Antonio Gates" but may be the closest thing we've seen yet.    

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Boom or bust pick

But I guess that’s the case for any pick by the time you reach the end of the 3rd round.

by TheBobLoblawBlog on Apr 23, 2010 9:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice write up Dave

Had that up really quick. All round great work on the draft.

Wish we’d gone with Norwood, but, like all our other picks, we’ll just have to wait and see.

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by Jay Preece on Apr 23, 2010 9:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Less than one year of college football experience

mmmkay…

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious." - Vince Lombardi

by SarahT on Apr 23, 2010 9:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Hate this pick

I don’t think I can even make the case that he was the 2nd best TE available at this pick. Really disappointing day for those of us praying for defense. But on the bright side, Dekota Watson is still out there!

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Apr 23, 2010 9:29 PM CDT reply actions  

He was definitely the TE with the most upside still on the board. Kind of like the Bruce Campbell of his position. If you exclude potential and grade strictly on what he did at the college level, then no, he wasn’t at or near the top of his position. No scouting team grades strictly on production, however. Room for improvement, i.e., player “ceilings” always factor in.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Apr 23, 2010 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

My problem

Is how is this going to improve the team? Even somebody like Ricky Sapp would be a bigger improvement at OLB over our current platoon than Graham is over the two quality guys we have at TE right now. Even when Shockey was injured, Thomas was quality. I guess the only rationale behind this is that we needed another TE when both Heath Evans and Shockey were out, and Thomas had to fill in at FB every now and then. It might be even more disturbing that the team is planning to get hit by a freak series of injuries again rather than addressing the biggest needs.

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Apr 23, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's huge and fast

6’8 250, runs a 4.5… im interested in seeing this guy… We dont NEED a LB. Williams has already come out and said that.

by vanondubs on Apr 23, 2010 9:29 PM CDT reply actions  

and

theres not really any good DT’s on the board.

by vanondubs on Apr 23, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cam Thomas is still on the board. He was a 2nd round projection.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Apr 23, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

He said the same thing going into last year’s draft when they nabbed Arnoux.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Apr 23, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jim Graham in his younger days

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by Jay Preece on Apr 23, 2010 9:30 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

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With the 32nd pick of the 2010 NFL Draft, the New Orleans Saints say "Sean Weatherspoon, come on down!!!"

by tlsk1066 on Apr 23, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure a lot of people will be unhappy with this pick

And he could end up being a bust . . . but I’m okay with it. He does have physical potential, and a lot of guys have successfully made the transition from basketball player to tight end. The end of the 3rd round isn’t a bad place to take a calculated risk.

by TheBobLoblawBlog on Apr 23, 2010 9:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah. So far this is actually my favorite pick of the draft. Which says something about how utterly pathetic I think the others were so far.

by FriarBob on Apr 23, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Before we get too caught up in the “basketball player = amazing athleticism” conclusion, do realize that Zach Hilton once played for the Tar Heels.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Apr 23, 2010 9:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Let's draft Greg Paulus as Brees's understudy!

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Apr 23, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

EFF THIS

I will not be watching anymore of the draft. Can’t take it anymore.
It reminds me of Payton calling that stupid end around play that never works—three times in a row.
I can’t believe I’ve spent this much time being so utterly disappointed this weekend.
Y’all have fun finding the silver lining in this one.

In Breesus' name we play

by Breesus Christ Superstar on Apr 23, 2010 9:47 PM CDT reply actions  

I’ll give them a C- so far. There’s no position they’ve selected that I didn’t outright NOT expect them to take and they’ve gotten pretty good value on two of the three. They just haven’t fulfilled any of the four positions I would consider their most pressing, in terms of need. They also only have three picks remaining, so they likely won’t get around to all of them. OLB, DT, RB and C remain. There’s still an outside chance they draft a QB, stretching them even thinner. Jammal Brown could still represent a pick or a player. If the former, I’m starting to doubt it will be this year. There’s a reason why most teams at 32 wind up trading down and I’m starting to understand why. When talent becomes THIS watered down, you need as many picks (read: lottery tickets) as possible, if you want a decent shot at striking gold. As it stands now, we’ll be lucky to walk away from this whole thing with a few bronze shavings.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Apr 23, 2010 9:50 PM CDT reply actions  

When talent becomes THIS watered down, you need as many picks (read: lottery tickets) as possible, if you want a decent shot at striking gold. As it stands now, we’ll be lucky to walk away from this whole thing with a few bronze shavings.

Very much agree. That’s why I like the way the Patriots draft.

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by Dave Cariello on Apr 23, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

should have drafted lebron....and i hate him. (but he is athletic damn it)

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by maybetoday on Apr 23, 2010 9:55 PM CDT reply actions  

We'll get our OLB

his name is Shawn Merriman. You heard it here first.

by WhoDat_OH on Apr 23, 2010 10:05 PM CDT reply actions  

OK, (time to dream and dream big)

They are gonna turn him into a QB Rushing, Pass hawking, acceptable run stuffing OLB. Slim chance in hell, but if so, you heard it here first. lol (yea the rum has kicked in)

I’m an independently wealthy methamphetamine enthusiast with a vivid imagination - Stujo4

by maybetoday on Apr 23, 2010 10:13 PM CDT reply actions  

OK, I'm gonna dream HUGE

This guy will be all that I said and all that you have implied (and a bag of chips damn it). He is all that, with great hands, awesome leaping ability, route running incredibleness (yes its a word) and a knack for knowing where the ball is gonna be thrown as we turn him into a ravenous OLB. We just drafted the guy who they are gonna mold the Lombardi after once they realize everyone pales compaired to him. So in the end, we have no reason to be scared or confused. We just drafted the second coming of J1000.

I’m an independently wealthy methamphetamine enthusiast with a vivid imagination - Stujo4

by maybetoday on Apr 23, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Center is coverd can

You guys forgot that Strief Also Plays Center. Infact he can play across the line if needed. Something tells me we are trading Jamal Brown for an LB or a DT.

Crazy thing is, If this Tightend has a good set of hands. and can Jump high in the End zone in the back. I dont care what you say. an 5’11" CB will not be able to Block a pass on a guy who has a high vertical in the corner of an End zone.

Let me run a route and see if he can catch. If he can do that. Then hes the next Jason Whitten.

by Ranger565 on Apr 23, 2010 10:22 PM CDT reply actions  

lace them up Ranger, you called it.

I’m an independently wealthy methamphetamine enthusiast with a vivid imagination - Stujo4

by maybetoday on Apr 23, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Correct me if I'm wrong

We can’t trade Jamal Brown until he signs a tender—and he hasn’t signed. So, no trade.

In Breesus' name we play

by Breesus Christ Superstar on Apr 23, 2010 10:31 PM CDT reply actions  

I think he can.

The Saints Can give up the rights to his Tender, He cannot sign with any other team for he has missed the Date to do so. So if he does NOT sign, Then well he does not play and does not make a single cent this entire year. Browns loss if you ask me. Starting to think Jemal putting all of his care into his Agent. Sometimes its not a good thing.

by Ranger565 on Apr 23, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not exactly.

If the saints rescind the tender (they can do that, BTW, as you suggest), he becomes an instant “unrestricted restricted free agent”. In other words, he’s an RFA, but there are no longer any restrictions (at all) on whom he can sign with. Even teams like Indy and Jersey-B who have either not lost a UFA or already signed a replacement could sign him, because he isn’t a UFA, even though he’s also not exactly a normal RFA either.

It’s basically the same idea as the rescinded franchise tag. Last year the Seahawks withdrew their franchise tag on Leroy Hill. He actually ended up signing back with them on a long-term contract very shortly afterward, but as soon as they withdrew the tag about 5-10 teams started calling his agent to discuss visits and possible contracts. And it was perfectly legal for them to do so.

The RFA signing date only applies to signing an “offer sheet” that would “override” the Saints claim on him from the RFA tender offer. Up until that date, he’s an RFA with the restriction that if somebody else signs him to an offer sheet, the Saints get the option to match or take the other team’s first and third round picks. After that date, those restrictions disappear and new ones pop up in their place — i.e., he can no longer sign a contract with any team except the Saints unless he signs his tender and then the Saints trade his now-semi-normal contract. But if he suddenly has the tender withdrawn, he’s still an RFA, but all restrictions vanish.

by FriarBob on Apr 24, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

thanks, I knew you would have the answer, Bob

But here in Alabama, we’re a little slow. Dumb it down for me a bit.
Bottom line: Brown has to sign something with the Saints before we can trade him? Is that correct?

In Breesus' name we play

by Breesus Christ Superstar on Apr 24, 2010 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah i think its

pretty much like the brandon marshall/denver thing

by GRlZZ on Apr 24, 2010 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Payton himself just answered my question (in Dave's most recent post
lholder_cbs_nba Payton said he couldn’t trade jammal Brown yet anyway because he hasn’t signed his tender. Hinted tomorrow could see movement

In Breesus' name we play

by Breesus Christ Superstar on Apr 24, 2010 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here are my two last gasp hopes that don't have a snowball's chance

1. Sign LB Adalius Thomas when the Pats cut him.

2. Some sort of negotiation to get DT Albert Haynesworth.

In Breesus' name we play

by Breesus Christ Superstar on Apr 23, 2010 10:35 PM CDT reply actions  

If Thomas’s problems were merely that his injuries were mishandled, then I might buy that. But I have my doubts. Part of that might be that I still blame him for being a former Raven tho.

by FriarBob on Apr 24, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

tweet

JeremyShockey

Excited we drafted former canes te jimmy graham!!! hes gonna be great one day

Everybody's gonna leave their seat

by stujo4 on Apr 23, 2010 10:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Not this year, no. But I wouldn’t be surprised if this is his partner in crime (stealing lots of yards and TDs from the opponent oughta be some sort of crime, right?) for the next few years… but also eventually his replacement.

by FriarBob on Apr 24, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

wonder if they'll do like Colston

and make him a WR…or maybe we got him for the hornets…

by GRlZZ on Apr 23, 2010 10:47 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

would be insane in the membrane!

colston 6’4" 225 and graham 6’6-7" 250?? wow..

by GRlZZ on Apr 23, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too much potential as a blocker to be moved to WR

As much as people like to talk about him being a boom or bust pick as a receiving TE. He has a ton of potential as a blocker also. He has terrible technique but was still able to be a solid blocker at the collegiate level because of his size, strength, and aggressive demeanor. His physical attributes could potentially be coached up to the point where he is the best all around TE in the NFL.

"Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda,
smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye can see."
- Thomas Jefferson

by DaymanCometh on Apr 24, 2010 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

If that's the case

they could have waited and taken Jameson Konz from Kent State, 6’6" 245 lbs. TE/WR.

On the subject of small school Ohio boys, there’s a nice developmental QB from Mount Union called Kurt Rocco, 6’5" 215. The guy just wins and has a wicked arm.

by WhoDat_OH on Apr 24, 2010 1:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

They have already seen Rocco few weeks ago

I bet he will be signed after the draft

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by bondcrash on Apr 24, 2010 2:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

BPA my @$$

You go with BPA nowadays when there’s no holes to fill. Graham is too risky, especially when there are still rush linebackers out there. These 3 picks have been edgy and dumb in my opinion. Brown and Graham have upside, but are huge bust risks. TWO chances missed where we could’ve taken EXTREMELY HELPFUL and NECESSARY pass rushers. Edgy, but dumb. Casillas is not starting quality and there are too many questions with DE. Ridiculous. Sure we won a Superbowl, but we’re not better after this draft by much at all.

I wouldn't mind getting half the "love" that the Saints are willing to give Sharper...

by LocoSaint on Apr 23, 2010 11:06 PM CDT reply actions  

How sure are you that Casillas & Arnoux can’t play. The little game opportunity Casillas has had is too little a sample. And Arnoux is a complete mystery to anyone outside the organization. Unless of course you have inside info to share.

by WhoDat_OH on Apr 23, 2010 11:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Brown is very skilled, and while he may not be a franchise LT he will be a good NFL offensive lineman

"Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda,
smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye can see."
- Thomas Jefferson

by DaymanCometh on Apr 24, 2010 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which Brown?

Charlie or Jammal?

by WhoDat_OH on Apr 24, 2010 1:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Charles, the first team All American and All Pac-10 player who won the Morris Trophy as the nations best offensive lineman

"Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda,
smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye can see."
- Thomas Jefferson

by DaymanCometh on Apr 24, 2010 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

YES!

we need even more OL! no really I’d love to have faneca he’s a new orleans guy too!

by GRlZZ on Apr 23, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

No. He’s going to want starter money, and we have the two best guards in the league already who also need to be paid.

He’s been pretty good in the past, but he’s also like 300 years old. (In dog-years at least.) At best he’s good for another 2-3 years and he still won’t be as great as he used to be. Pass.

by FriarBob on Apr 24, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do you honestly believe that Nicks is the 2nd best guard in the league? Or do you mean best as a tandem?

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Apr 24, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a tandem, of course, but he’s not THAT far behind either.

And even if he’s not, he’s still better than Faneca, even only in terms of now. Throw in future expectations and it’s not even apples to oranges. It’s more like basketballs to BBs.

by FriarBob on Apr 24, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just gonna throw this out there

Antonio Gates didn’t play one down of college football. Jimmy Graham at least has some experience playing football on the college level. Tack on his basketball skill set, and those skills tend to translate very well to the TE position. I’m telling you, I like the pick

Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!

by mknkachow on Apr 24, 2010 1:12 AM CDT reply actions  

You're right on with the Gates comparison

except Graham had a year of constant improvement while playing in the ACC, so he’s arguably more proven. When I watched the scouting combine I remember thinking that this is the kind of player Sean Payton would love and be willing to reach for.

"Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda,
smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye can see."
- Thomas Jefferson

by DaymanCometh on Apr 24, 2010 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know what's really sad about this situation?

What’s really sad is that tonight made the P-Rob pick look wise and brilliant. So what if he’s a huge boom-or-bust guy? (For that matter, Graham probably is that too.) He’s at least a position of some degree of need. Gay and Torrence are rather poor. They aren’t as bad as some of the crap we’ve had in the past, but they aren’t up to the standards teams that want to repeat as SB champs need. And given J-Shock’s injury history, Graham is also a position of at least mild degree of need as well.

But Brown? That’s just flat insane. BPA may be the mantra but anybody with the slightest bit of sense realizes that you have to pick somebody who actually is remotely useful to the team. And right now, we just simply don’t need five tackles on the team badly enough to draft one at all much less in the second bloody round! So unless we picked him to pluck him when we figured somebody else was about to draft him, in the hopes they’d later trade for the other Brown after all, we’ve just cast away whatever minuscule bit of leverage in trade discussions we might have had. Our only realistically likely hope now is that Brown leaves as a UFA after next season and then in 2012 we get a compensatory pick for him. Oh frabjous day!

So what do we have? We have two boom-or-bust prospects that I think our coaching staff is good enough they can probably handle them just fine. (But only probably.) And we have a flat idiotic and moronic pick, no matter how good Brown turns out to be (if he does at all). All three may turn out to be decent picks. But every team always has needs. And we do have at least one need that we haven’t filled yet, and that is long-term stability at the DT position. Hargrove may turn out to be that, but he isn’t it right now, and he isn’t signed beyond this year. Which means I really hate that we didn’t get one yet.

Then you look at other teams that are filling gaping holes on their team and you have to ask what the HELL is going on.

It’s a sad, sad day when people that everybody knows are complete morons — like Al Davis and Mike Brown, among others — are able to have better drafts than we are.

by FriarBob on Apr 24, 2010 1:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Al Davis knows more about football and the NFL than everyone on this site combined

He is a Hall of Famer, and there is no debating that. He has drafted very well this year. People like to criticize him because he is an eccentric individual, but those who have worked around him have respect for his football knowledge including people like John Gruden.

"Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda,
smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye can see."
- Thomas Jefferson

by DaymanCometh on Apr 24, 2010 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Al Davis directed the 2010 draft.

Everything, all the time.

by stujo4 on Apr 26, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

“And right now, we just simply don’t need five tackles on the team badly enough to draft one at all much less in the second bloody round!”

I think it’s pretty much a foregone conclusion that Jammal Brown won’t be here by the start of training camp.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Apr 24, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK, but if we cut him we don’t get squat for him. And do you really think anybody is going to give us ANYTHING — even a 7th rounder next year — for him, knowing we’re going to have to eventually cut him?

The only thing I’m not sure on is if we withdraw the RFA offer, he MIGHT then qualify for a compensatory next year. But I’m not sure on that one.

by FriarBob on Apr 24, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

i just noticed something about Jimmy

His college stats:
17 catches, 213 yards, 5 TD’s
That’s 1 touchdown every 3.4 catches!

by GRlZZ on Apr 24, 2010 3:00 AM CDT reply actions  

I want to change my vote to an "A"

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by Hollywoo! on Apr 24, 2010 1:07 PM CDT reply actions  

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