Under Payton, the option hasn't been much of an option
by coldpizza on Apr 6, 2010 11:48 PM CDT
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PrintSince Sean Payton took over the Saints, only three non-quarterbacks have attempted passes. None of these three attempts were completed. Two were intercepted. In 2006, Joe Horn's pass against the Eagles fell harmlessly to the turf. Two weeks later, Reggie Bush's halfback option was picked off by Ray Lewis in the end zone, one of four interceptions by the Ravens that day. In 2008, Packers safety Aaron Rouse intercepted Lance Moore's lone passing attempt during a Monday Night Football matchup. It should be noted that Payton has yet to call an option pass in a game played outside the Louisiana Superdome. The Saints are 2-1 under Payton, in games featuring non-quarterback attempts.
The last non-quarterback to complete a pass for the Saints was Joe Horn, on a 14 yard lob to Deuce McAllister, against the Panthers in 2003. The last non-quarterback to throw a TD pass? Deuce McAllister, on a 12 yard scoring strike to Willie Jackson, against the Falcons in 2001. The last non-interim Saints head coach to never have an option pass completed during his tenure? John North.
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i forgot about keith poole
he was awesome!…also…he attacked a man with a golf club and was fined $4,500, team and league.
I remember that. Up in La Crosse WI on their off day, wasn’t it?
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
In fact, I believe that was the same training camp that Andre Royal beat the cr** out of Cam Cleeland and Jeff Danish with a tube sock full of loose change. Tagliabue came down hard on rookie hazing after that incident. Royal wound up telling Ditka to f*** off on the practice field and the two had to be separated. He was cut soon thereafter.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Ditka's last word to Royal:
“You were never my F-N guy!’
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.
Do you know what they call Royal in Paris?
Abruti du fromage.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Translation
Bone-Head or Bone-Head with Cheese?
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.
what does keith poole have to do with this?
"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis
by Hans Petersen on Apr 7, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn’t realize McAllister had thrown a TD and was initially crediting the last completed pass by a Saints RB to Ricky Williams (to Poole). The post has been corrected since then.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
got it
when you’re late to the party, you miss the best part, sometimes
"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis
by Hans Petersen on Apr 8, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea
they talked about Reggie practicing the wildcat a lil. And Lance was an old qb in college I think. So we got some pieces to try it out in a game, guess Sean P just had some bad experiences so far. Good post CP
the last time i think we discussed trick plays
i made the comment that i dont care as long as brees is the triggerman.
I like hamburgers!!
by DrewBreesManCrush on Apr 7, 2010 9:08 AM CDT reply actions
I'm pretty sure Deuce threw a TD pass
At some point in time. I’m not 100% sure, but I think I remember him talking about it somewhere.
Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!
not surprising
considering Brees is our QB
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Apr 7, 2010 10:25 AM CDT reply actions
exactly
as SP said, we have Brees, why would we want to take it out of his hands?
The element of surprise. Same reason SP runs reverses seemingly once every other game. Joseph Addai threw a TD pass against the 49ers this season. I don’t believe Peyton Manning was incapacitated at the time.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Element of surprise?
With an offense that score so many points, do we really need to rely on element of surprise?
How about this: Brees is just going to pick the opposing team’s D apart. SURPRISE!!!
"I have seen women walk right past a TV set with a football game on and - this always amazes me - not stop to watch, even if the TV is showing replays of what we call a "good hit," which is a tackle that causes at least one major internal organ to actually fly out of a player's body."
by Grumps on Apr 7, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
or...
Which one of our 5 eligible & capable receivers on the field at any one time is Drew going to throw to this next? SURPRISE!
How about…
Is he going to throw to the same receiver twice in the same drive that has 8 pass plays? Nope… SURPRISE!! :-D
Pigs have flown! Hell has frozen over! The Saints HAVE WON the Superbowl!!
When did I say anything about relying on it? I just think it’s kind of unusual for an NFL team to average less than ONE (1) option play season over a four year stretch. It’s a wrinkle that practically all OCs pull out of their bag of tricks on occasion, very often successfully. The fact that the Saints haven’t pulled it off successfully shouldn’t be viewed as an indictment of the approach, merely a flaw it its execution. Bush and Moore didn’t HAVE to throw the ball into coverage. That’s why it’s called an option. If their intended receiver is covered, they shouldn’t throw it. It’s something that should be worked upon and occasionally utilized, not completely abandoned for entire seasons at a time.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Some teams just don't run certain plays
The Saints do run a fair amount of “trick” plays. Robert Meachem and Devery Henderson have run their fair share of reverses and end-arounds. There’s the flea flicker we ran against Arizona. And we’ve done more surprise onside kicks in the past couple of years than any team that I can think of. The Saints just have a different way of using the element of surprise.
I know, lets draft Tebow to add the jumpshot pass to the playbook!
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
Exactly, so why not the occasional option pass? It’s not like they’re shying away from “trick” plays, in general. What other NFL team has gone two out of the last four seasons without running at least one reverse, OR one end-around, OR one flea flicker, OR one onside kick — which is typically executed out of necessity btw, NOT as a tactic of surprise — etc? “More” or “less than” average is one thing … “not at all” is quite another. It’s obviously not because it’s not a part of their playbook, as they’ve run it in ‘06 and ’08. I can see a fake FG being something that only happens once in a blue moon, because it calls for a specific situation, down, etc. They even ran one of those this past season. We’re talking about a play that can be used from any point on the field. Also, how many times has Henderson or Meachem been run out of bounds on reverses for little to no gain, sometimes even a loss? Yet, I seriously doubt they’ve gone three straight weeks without calling one of those, much less two entire seasons.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Why do some teams never touch a 3-4 defense?
Might be personnel. Payton might have a few guys other than Brees throw a couple of passes in practice every now and then and just get so disgusted that he puts that on the “once in a blue moon” page in the back of the playbook. At least with Meachem and Henderson those guys have the speed that if they get to the outside an end-around or a reverse should work. Maybe after seeing Lance Moore throw a few passes he just said “nah, that’s just too awful to work more than once or twice.”
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
I bet Dave Thomas could put sweet touch on the ball from the H-back spot
and no, I intended nothing lewd by association or insinuation by that choice of words
"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis
yeah, I realized that as I typed it - I'd be acknowledging the opening of a door that could not be closed after the horse got out of the barn and refused to put the toothpaste back in the tube
"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis
by Hans Petersen on Apr 7, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe it'll be gone by tomorrow
"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis
by Hans Petersen on Apr 7, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
you know who used to be a good option passer for the Saints?
Dalton everloving Hilliard – He is the Man!
Career Passing Stats – 4 of 7 for 114 yards and 4 TDs, 0 ints, 141.4 rating. SOURCE
just put me in, coach and let me throw the d%$# ball!
"I have all of the love in the world for Darren Sharper. I just don't have all the money in the world for Darren Sharper." Mickey Loomis
by Hans Petersen on Apr 7, 2010 7:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
kinda like Mike Vrabel’s pass catching stats.
From what I remember, he’s been thrown to 9 times in his career… caught 9… all 9 were TD’s.
(sorry I don’t have a reputable source)
How about that for some trick plays, CP… a pass catching LB?
I think it’s a safer trick play, than trusting a non QB to do all the stuff QB’s do to complete a pass. (I started to type it in, but there’s a lot that they do.)
Pigs have flown! Hell has frozen over! The Saints HAVE WON the Superbowl!!
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