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Complete Summary of the Saints Vicodin Theft Lawsuit

Seems the action never stops in Who Dat Nation. 

Yesterday, the former security director of the New Orleans Saints, Geoff Santini, filed a lawsuit against the organization that accuses two senior staff members of illegally stealing vicodin and general manager Mickey Loomis of covering it up. If true, this could be bad. Real bad. 

Often in a situation like this, facts get distorted and a great deal of misunderstanding prevails. To avoid any confusion and to assure that all of us are on the same page while discussing this topic in the future, I have put together what I deem a pretty good summary of the accusations. I have read through the entire lawsuit, taken liberties with editing and reposted all of the pertinent information in an easier to read format. It's still a bit long but I seriously recommend reading this carefully and in it's entirety. You can find the original lawsuit right here.  

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Some important things to keep in mind while reading:

  • The person referred to as plaintiff is New Orleans Saints former security director, Geoff Santini. 
  • Other people mentioned in the lawsuit that you may not be familiar with are head athletic trainer Scottie Patton and assistant athletic trainer Kevin Mangum. Mangum's name is consistently misspelled within the lawsuit. 
  • The two anonymous senior staff members of the Saints organization are listed as SSM A and SSM B. However, Pro Football Talk reports these people to be head coach Sean Payton and assistant head coach/linebackers coach Joe Vitt, respectively. Payton has denied this...
"I have reviewed Geoff Santini's lawsuit and the unwarranted publicity it has received," Payton said in the statement. "I have never abused or stolen Vicodin or any other medication and I fully support the Saints' position in this matter as expressed by Greg Bensel yesterday."    
  • Confirmation of Vitt's identity might be confirmed in a snippet of conversation when Santini says:
Santini:  So basically they are going to take all these pills and tag them to Joe...just make up dates.

 

Lastly, let's keep in mind that these are just accusations made against the team in a suit. Nobody has been charged with anything and nobody had been found guilty of any wrong doing. Saints representative Greg Bensel released a statement yesterday painting quite a different picture of the situation:

"A former employee who resigned just before the 2009 regular season threatened to go public with these unfounded charges unless we agreed to pay him an exorbitant sum of money," said Greg Bensel, vice president of communications for the Saints. "We refused, and now he has gone public. We will aggressively defend these false allegations in court."    

The picture will become clearer with time. Until then, read on and make sure you've got your facts straight. 

 

  

 

Prior to being hired as the Director of Security for the Saints plaintiff retired as a Supervisory Special Agent from the Federal Bureau of Investigation after 31 years of experience in law enforcement. 

On April 28, 2009, Head Trainer Scottie Patton ("Patton") met with plaintiff...and told plaintiff that vicodin were missing from the team drug locker. 

Plaintiff immediately noted that a large number of pills were recorded as having been dispensed to Senior Staff Member A ("SSM A") and Senior Staff Member B ("SSM B")...Patton advised that SSM B had a painful medical condition, but that SSM A did not. 

After the conversation with Patton...plaintiff, Patton and Magnum met with Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis ("GM Loomis"). During this meeting Patton told GM Loomis, in plaintiffs presence, that, "Someone is stealing vicodin." Loomis...with reference to the amount of vicodin dispensed to SSM A inquire if it was sufficient to constitute abuse. Patton responded, "Yes." Loomis asked if SSM A had a medical condition and Patton responded, "No." Loomis asked if SSM B had a medical condition and Patton responded, "Yes." Patton, in response to a question from GM Loomis, repeated that it was abuse...During the meeting GM Loomis approved the placement of concealed cameras in the room containing the drug cabinet with a new, full bottle of vicodin placed in the cabinet as bait. 

By approximately midnight on the night of April 28-29, 2009 two concealed cameras were installed in the drug cabinet area. 

On April 30, 2009...plaintiff was informed that eight (8) pills were missing from the new bottle of 100 vicodin pills, leaving only 92 in the bottle. A review of the video from the covert cameras revealed that SSM B has illegally entered the room at approximately 6:13 p.m. on April 29, 2009 with a set of keys to the drug cabinet and removed some pills from the vicodin bottle.  

Plaintiff showed GM Loomis the videos and informed him that this was felony theft of schedule 3 narcotics. Loomis told plaintiff, Mangum and Patton to keep all of this confidential...Plaintiff then told GM Loomis that the video needed to be copied for use during the NFL audit....Plaintiff told Loomis the event should be reported and without copying the video it would eventually be overwritten by the recording equipment and erased. Loomis told the Plaintiff to "let it go" in effect instructing the Plaintiff to allow the destruction of evidence of a felony...GM Loomis left plaintiff's office and plaintiff made a copy of the video onto a video cassette. 

The following day a trainer reported to plaintiff that 12 addition vicodin pills were missing...the recording revealed that SSM B had again illegally entered the drug cabinet and had stolen vicodin...Measures were taken to secure the drugs in a different location.  

On May 1, 2009...SSM B was recorded unsuccessfully attempting to illegally gain access to the drug cabinet. When he was unsuccessful after a number of attempts he left the room. 

On Monday, May 4, 2009, GM Loomis directed that the cameras be shut down. 

On May 8, 2009, plaintiff transmitted a memo about these events via email to GM Loomis, Patton and Mangum...A short while later GM Loomis replied via email directing plaintiff, "Do not send memos like this without talking with me first."

On May 13, 2009, in Patton' office there was a conversation between the plaintiff, Patton, and Magnum...Plaintiff understood the foregoing [conversation] to mean that Patton was going to adjust the dispensing logs to reflect that SSM B had received all of the missing vicodin such that the totals...would match the total dispensed. Plaintiff understood this would be actively creating false records to conceal both federal and state criminal violations...

One June 16, 2009...plaintiff had a conversation with Patton in his office. In this conversation Patton confirmed that GM Loomis directed that the drug records be changed to cover up the theft of vicodin...Additionally...plaintiff advised Patton altering the records would constitute one or more state and federal felonies, and that Patton should not go along with changing or personally change the drug records. 

On June 22, 2009, plaintiff had a conversation with Patton and Magnum...Patton stated he would not change any records...

On June 23, 2009, there was a telephone conversation between plaintiff and Loomis...Loomis advised that it would be inserted into the report that SSM B received the pills. Plaintiff advised Loomis that there was only proof of 20 pills being taken by SSM B, and that the other 110 pills could not be accounted for in that fashion...GM Loomis admitted during the conversation that corrective action had been taken to ensure that SSM B received treatment and would not steal any additional pills. GM Loomis then stated...that the records would not be changed. GM Loomis stated that SSM B admitted to him that SSM B had stolen all of the pills...Loomis stated that he would report the situation to the NFL's attorney and authorized plaintiff to report the situation to the U.S. Attorney, Mr. Jim Letten.  

Subsequent conversations ensued between plaintiff and GM Loomis concerning upcoming discussions with the DEA about the situation and the need to keep SSM A's name out of the conversation.

On July 30, 2009, plaintiff was contacted by NFL security representatives who requested additional information because they believed that NFL security had not been provided with full and complete facts concerning the missing pills. 

On the afternoon of August 10, 2009, plaintiff had a conversation with Mr. Benson, team owner, on indoor practice field...Mr. Benson...stated that he needed to be fully briefed on the situation so that Benson could have a full and truthful discussion with the NFL Commissioner the following day. 

Later on August 10, 2009, plaintiff had a conversation with GM Loomis concerning the discussion with Owner Benson...GM Loomis instructed plaintiff "he would rather just give him an outline" and thereby provide general information, but not the memo previously prepared which gave details. 

On the morning of August 11, 2009...Plaintiff then took the memo to in house counsel, who cleared it for presentation to Owner Benson. 

Plaintiff then met with Mr. Benson and GM Loomis in Mr. Benson's office...Mr. Benson reviewed it [the memo] and stated that SSM A and SSM B had placed the team in a bad position. 

Upon leaving the meeting with Mr. Benson, plaintiff objected to in house counsel that the owner has not been told the entire truth by GM Loomis. 

On August 16, 2009...plaintiff notified the Saints organization via email that he was giving his two weeks notice. 

Shortly after the August 16, 2009 resignation email was sent by plaintiff...GM Loomis wanted to know why plaintiff felt he had to leave, and attempted to convince him to stay...plaintiff responded that...the entire pattern of events described herin made it reasonably impossible for plaintiff to continue his employment with the Saints. 

Poll
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Nice work, Dave. Thanks for doing this for us.

We should get a ink to this post for Yasinskasas NFC South Blog.

At this point, it’s not even “He said, she said.” yet because all we’ve got is “He said.”

Allegations in a suit brought against the Saints.

I wonder what the facts really are…and it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Maybe Nurse Jackie took the pills. She’s addicted to pain meds and has a bad back.

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on May 1, 2010 5:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but...

If Santini was a member of the Saints administration, why would he want to accuse people in the administration of stealing Vicodin? Or does he wish to do this in an attempt to make money?

by Ezio_Auditore on May 1, 2010 5:46 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

why would he want to accuse people in the administration of stealing Vicodin?

Because it’s illegal?

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by Dave Cariello on May 1, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've gotten rid of your comment because of profanity

please feel free to repost sans bad language

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by Dave Cariello on May 1, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was a former FBI agent.

Personally, I tend to believe him, the plaintiff.

by BRSaintsFan on May 1, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t care if he’s Jesus1000. He asked for $2M in hush money. He has no credibility.

Who finds the money when you pay the rent?

by stujo4 on May 1, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Boom!

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by MtnExile on May 2, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the very informative article, Dave.

Might I suggest that we just follow the course of this lawsuit and not become a bunch of armchair lawyers. The mass public (i.e. CSC contributors) is capable of spinning a situation like this in many different directions and most of them will be wrong or, at best, misinformed.

I’d rather piss and moan about the oil spill that may ruin the oyster harvest for years to come! But, then, that would also be best discussed on another blog.

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on May 1, 2010 6:04 PM CDT reply actions  

damn JND

I got my online law degree and you dont want me to use it?

I’m an independently wealthy methamphetamine enthusiast with a vivid imagination - Stujo4

by maybetoday on May 4, 2010 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

SSM A (Sean Payton)

is brought up randomly in the middle of this without any actual proof he was taking any himself. I think its correct that SSM B (Joe Vitt) took some, but then again he had a legitimate ailment for them. And if the plaintiff has such a “spectacular record,” then why was he trying to blackmail them later?

by AJG on May 1, 2010 6:38 PM CDT reply actions  

It's like talking to a wall.

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on May 1, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can believe a former FBI man quitting his job out of a sense of outrage

at people he regards as scofflaws. What I can’t believe is that same man filing a lawsuit for money, instead of seeking criminal justice in the courts.

If this really happened, and Santini quit his position to avoid becoming part of a cover-up, why didn’t he go to the DEA at the time? Why did he wait until now…and why was his action not to seek criminal charges against the people he accuses, but to win a pile of money in a civl suit?

My initial impression is that this isn’t believable even before the Saints get their chance to rebut.

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by MtnExile on May 1, 2010 6:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed. Plaintiff asked for $2M in hush money. He’ll probably end up bunking with Letterman’s girlfriend’s boyfriend.


Plaintiff showed GM Loomis the videos and informed him that this was felony theft of schedule 3 narcotics.
I find that hard to believe. Unless their is a federal or Louisiana law that says theft of this kind of drug from an individual or corporation is a felony. Stealing vicodin from your employer carries a penalty worse than stealing industry secrets and selling them to the competition? Worse than stealing Mickey’s $90.000 Benz? Worse than stealing Vicky’s Super Bowl ring?

Who finds the money when you pay the rent?

by stujo4 on May 1, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

From an Associated Press report on Yahoo:
The theft of Vicodin, a narcotic used to relieve moderate to severe pain, is a state and federal offense. Any attempt to cover up such a theft also could constitute a state or federal crime. Failure to report a felony also is a federal crime.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;ylt=Am0p3n5a7l6Zdw8zvwKgjFDubYF?slug=ap-saints-druglawsuit

by BRSaintsFan on May 2, 2010 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

There you go.

It's getting better all the time.

by stujo4 on May 2, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Failure to report a felony also is a federal crime."

Did Santini report the crime? He had videotape, after all. Did he withhold it?

I can’t believe the feds would wait until after the season, and until after the culmination of a civil suit, if they had evidence of a crime by prominent sports figures. That leads me to conclude that Santini didn’t go to the FBI or the DEA with his info…and so he’s in as much trouble as Mickey and Sean.

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by MtnExile on May 2, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m not buying this. But that’s just from reading the above, and I’m not a judge, so whatever. As JND says I don’t want to spin this one way or another.

So, just for light relief:

Here's to you, Patrick Robinson, Jesus1000 loves you more than you will know...

by Jay Preece on May 1, 2010 6:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Bang! Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!

Thanks.

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on May 1, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

lets play some football.

What wonderful little gifts April Fools Day brings.
~D's Pappy

by OldFartFan on May 1, 2010 6:57 PM CDT reply actions  

I hope

for Joe Vitt’s sake this is not true.
Video evidence could bring some serious charges.
Loomis could even face charges.
But, if Santini was trying to blackmail the Saints, he better get out of town.

by HWY90 on May 1, 2010 7:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Do you suggest Highway 90 perhaps?

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on May 1, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's worse than that

If what Santini says is true, then not only Vitt and Loomis, but also Payton, Patton, Mangum, Benson, and Santini could be guilty of criminal conspiracy to violate federal drug laws, or to cover up violations (Santini apparently didn’t go to the feds with the information). That being the case, I very much doubt Santini’s version of the story.

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by MtnExile on May 1, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

This blows

I guess we’ll have to wait and let this play out. I hope it’s not true. Regardless, it’s gonna give the media a new way to tarnish our championship. Sounds like extortion plain and simple right now. If they are guilty, I assume Goodell will take some sort of action. If Rush Limbaugh and Elvis Presley among many other celebrities can get out of something like this, I’d tend to believe Payton could too. At least, I hope so.

Further, I tend to not look down upon people with chronic painful conditions who become addicted to medication like this. It’s very easy to rely on this stuff to get you through the day. When I had my wisdom teeth removed, the doc prescribed this for me and I was afraid to take it because of the addiction possibility. Turns out I didn’t need it, so I left it in the bottle.

If the allegations are true, it would just be a stupid way to get it when they could most likely get it from a doctor. I hope it isn’t true.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on May 1, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe he did go to the feds

It seems like the DEA and the NFL have known about this for a while…

SP: "No, No, No. I said 'Let's all take it to the Vikes again' not' Let's all take 2 Vicoden!'"

by Comp on May 5, 2010 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

On a different subject entirely

namely, “Why I like this online community better than any other,” here are some of the comments from NOLA.com:

geez, after going 7-9 and 8-8 in 07 and 08 i figured crack cocaine was paytons drug of choice, put this idiot in jail where he belongs and get Brees a real coach
Who cares . We frickin superbowl champions I will buy SP all the pills he wants.
Maybe we should all get together, form a mob, find this Geoff Santini and eliminate the problem. LOL. Maybe not.

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by MtnExile on May 1, 2010 7:47 PM CDT reply actions  

I like 2 out of 3

can you pick which ones?

This draft screams Dynasty. If that's the case, then I say, let the Saints Reign begin!

by LocoSaint on May 2, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Payton gets payed millions of dollars each year.

1st question: Why would he steal when he could get any dirty doctor to perscribe them.
2nd question: He did not have enough sense to quit taking pills after they relocated the drug locker?

I think the whole situation is crap.
I know Payton is the head coach of the Saints, but i cannot see Loomis and the owner jepordizing their positions or jobs to cover for even especially if there was video recording involved.

Maybe the camera did see payton take pills. So what. What does that prove?
the only thing that would prove is that he took them. What he did with them is a different story. He could have given them to a player. You will not see that on camera though.
All the times lase season where he kept player injuries a secret.
Well if i was a head coach and could get some pain medicine for some of my players, because they did not want to “formally” report an injury I would do it in a heart beat.

So even if there is some concrete evidence of a person whoever it might be taking medication from the drug locker, it simply means just that. Now if it showed consumption of the pills that would be a different story.
I just cannot believe payton would be that stupid.
Thats why its bogus.

by jeremysherwin on May 1, 2010 7:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe the camera did see payton take pills. So what. What does that prove?

Vitt would be the one caught on camera in this situation.

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by Dave Cariello on May 1, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who was actually authorized to take the pills from the locker? This whole thing sounds bizarre to me…I thought only doctors, and pharmacists acting as a surrogate for doctors, were authorized to dispense narcotics. I suppose the Saints have a team doctor, but why isn’t he named in all of this?

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by MtnExile on May 1, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

the head trainer Patton, I believe

He was the one who noticed missing pills. There was a Dr. Amoss (sp?) mentioned, but he was apparently kept in the dark about most of this stuff.

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by Dave Cariello on May 1, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is this how the "Who Moved My Cheese" story got started?????

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by Just 'Nother Day on May 1, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

my bad got my people confused, but the principal is the same.

If Patton has control of the drug locker, and leaves it in his office, and other members of the organization have keys to Patton’s office, well that is a nightmare waiting to happen.

Do not be suprised if this resurfaces again in conversation.

by jeremysherwin on May 1, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Weird...

Why in the world would Santini blackmail the Saints with something the NFL has been awared of since last summer?

On July 30, 2009, plaintiff was contacted by NFL security representatives who requested additional information because they believed that NFL security had not been provided with full and complete facts concerning the missing pills.

Doesn’t lack of “exclusivety” kind of take the whole essence out of blackmailing?

I know Payton did it and I admire his sense of southern hospitality for doing it. He stole those 120 pills and slipped 60 each to Warner and Favre as a “forgive us and get well soon” gift at the end of those games…Now how nice was that?

SSm A? Scott Shanle?

Repeat? Under construction...

by FrenchFreak on May 1, 2010 9:47 PM CDT reply actions  

OK, Dave, you read the lawsuit.

Was Payton’s name mentioned? Or is everyone Ass/U/Ming he is SSM A?

by BRSaintsFan on May 1, 2010 9:58 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm waiting for someone to mention Deep Throat.

(NOT the movie, you dirty little. . . . . . .)

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on May 1, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh, my mistake,

it was just that MF…I mean Mike Florio making it up.

by BRSaintsFan on May 1, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

never mentioned

the whole inference that Payton is SSM A was started by Florio at PFT, as far as I can tell. He also is the one who said that SSM B was Joe Vitt. But as I pointed out, there is a reference to a “Joe” in one of the conversations transcribed in the lawsuit.

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by Dave Cariello on May 1, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which sources?
Times-Picayune sources confirmed a ProFootballTalk.com report that the staff members are Payton and Saints linebacker coach Joe Vitt. According to the sources, Vitt allegedly stole the pills and Payton reportedly took them despite not having a medical condition.

nfl.com
New Orleans Saints Coach Sean Payton and linebackers coach Joe Vitt are the unnamed “senior staff members” who were referenced in a lawsuit filed Friday by the team’s former security director, who claims he was asked to cover up abuses of a prescription painkiller, according to sources.

Times-Picayune

Repeat? Under construction...

by FrenchFreak on May 1, 2010 10:41 PM CDT reply actions  

BOOM!

Florio = human parasite and a total waste of oxygen.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on May 2, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

unless he's on fire

that would be an excellent use of oxygen

Who dat, from a cajun exiled to cowboy country.

by alcoholic_insight on May 2, 2010 6:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

REC'D!!!

Total Vking homer, and leech.

by BRSaintsFan on May 2, 2010 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have an idea...

…how about we all band together as football fans (we can surely recruit other team’s fans for this one!) and start a class action lawsuit against Mike Florio and Pro Football Talk for inflicting his tripe on NFL fans.

This dude really ticks me off, I’d to send a message to him, and NOT via a post at his cesspool they call a blog.

I’m at least partially serious….I’m sure we can come up with SOMETHING, at least something with as much validity as all this Vicodin crap.

Who Dat? TWO DAT! Do dat AGAIN!!!

by GSO Saints Fan on May 2, 2010 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Lies and innuendo with a healthy dash of facts. There are probably a few Saints people here with mud on them.

It's getting better all the time.

by stujo4 on May 2, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

The guy that filed the lawsuit lost ALL credibility IMO when he tried to extort money from the team.

He’s at least as much a felon as anyone else, and probably more so:

1) He, being a retired FBI agent knowingly did not report a felony – i.e. theft of a Schedule 3 narcotic
2) Extortion is a felony

There may be a “smoking gun” here, but if there’s one, then there’s certainly two. This dude is either stupid, or has NOTHING concrete to play with. The level of evidence required in a criminal proceeding is far higher than in a civil proceeding – and there is no potential financial gain in the criminal one. However, being on the “right side” in the criminal matter makes the civil one a “slam dunk”.

Notice there is no criminal investigation? What does THAT tell us?

Answer: The guy has NO SOLID, CONCRETE CASE.

This is extortion, being aided and abetted by MF and PFT for THEIR gain.

Who Dat? TWO DAT! Do dat AGAIN!!!

by GSO Saints Fan on May 2, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

What is Vitt's "painful medical condition" which requires Vicodin?

…or is it just a veiled way of describing his addiction?

Hmmmmm….:

How long has Vitt been a pill-popper (allegedly)?

How has this affected our ability to draft linebackers?

It's an ankle bracelet, not a halo....

by yurintroubl on May 2, 2010 2:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Closing your broken tag for you…

by FriarBob on May 2, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm… why did it work down further… but not here… odd… well trying again…

by FriarBob on May 2, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was my tag stickin' out?

Thanks for keepin’ me tidy. =)

It's an ankle bracelet, not a halo....

by yurintroubl on May 3, 2010 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

well

i can’t control whether it happened or not nor if the saints will win or lose the lawsuit so i won’t specualate. i will express concerns over the repercussions of such an accusation. Big Ben just got suspended 6 games on something that he was found not guilty of doing. What if we are found not guilty in the lawsuit? Will we get disciplinary action for just being in this situation as did Big Ben? Those are my concerns. Could we lose a year of eligibility to win the SB or something? Could we lose draft picks like the Patriots? What kind of punishment(if we get one) will we receive if found guilty? What about not guilty? How’s this going to effect the team and our chances of a repeat?

Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!

by skinnykinney on May 2, 2010 2:53 AM CDT reply actions  

sry

thought i tabbed out of the headline :\

Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!

by skinnykinney on May 2, 2010 2:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

No clue what the NFL rules are for management, staff, committing crimes, but

I wouldn’t think it’s like NCAA football where they can make you ineligible to compete in a post-season bowl, or playoffs.

However, if they suspend Payton, this would be a tad difficult to compete/win games without him.

by BRSaintsFan on May 2, 2010 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know..

If what the Saints are claiming is true, then it sounds like extortion to me. And last time I checked, extortion is also a felony. If a 31 yr veteran of the FBI is willing to extort hush money, then he has no credibility with me at all.

"Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake." -- Napoleon Bonaparte

by Cajun in CA on May 2, 2010 10:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed. I think his position is that he wants compensation for constructive termination whatever (Saints effectively left him no option but to resign his job). He’s a clever little narc piece of s***. Not that I condone Lortab abuse. I’m just glad it wasn’t oxycontin, hillbilly heroin. That s*** should be banned.

It's getting better all the time.

by stujo4 on May 2, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

just another crooket FBI agent wanting to gey paid,

this is a bunch of bull$%% just trying to discredit my Saints, I say Mr. FBI man is nothing but a worm trying to get his 15 minutes of fame and a unearned paycheck, he needs to do the world a favor and kill himself…..

by bigbaddon on May 2, 2010 11:57 AM CDT reply actions  

why is everything bold?

Here's to you, Patrick Robinson, Jesus1000 loves you more than you will know...

by Jay Preece on May 2, 2010 12:01 PM CDT reply actions  

damn it!

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by Jay Preece on May 2, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably an unclosed <strong> tag in one of the comments. Based on where it started, I’ll bet it’s this one:

http://www.canalstreetchronicles.com/2010/5/1/1453974/complete-summary-of-the-saints#36550029 by yurintroubl

Just for kicks, I’m going to put an unpaired close tag in to see what happens…

by FriarBob on May 2, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah that’s what it was. You can delete my comments if you want and just edit his comment, but at least the problem is now fixed.

by FriarBob on May 2, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

VicodinGate?

That one doesn’t really flow. I think we need to come up with a name for this scandal, since it looks like we will have to hear about it for the next few months. Any suggestions?

 Always better to come up with one internally rather than have it assigned to you by some outsider lap dog aka Florio.

P.S. I’ve found Vicodin to be a great cure for the Lombardi Hangover.

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by MobileSaint on May 2, 2010 12:53 PM CDT reply actions  

“The Vittstorm”

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by Jay Preece on May 2, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

So does Goodell have to suspend Sean Payton now because of an acusation

he did that with Big Ben, so to follow precident he would have to suspend Sean Payton as well

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by WVPiratesfan on May 2, 2010 2:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Depends on what NFL Security decides. If they investigate and decide that the accusation is false, nothing will happen. If they decide it’s true, even if the suit fails, something else will.

Pretty good indication then of what they thought of the Georgia incident…

by FriarBob on May 2, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is the first accusation against Payton

and it was like the 3rd against Ben. That’s why he was suspended and I still think it’s total crap. If your going to suspend someone for that, make it 2 games or so. Stalworth gets charged with murder and gets a year suspension. Vick gets 1 year. Almost half a season because he’s in a night club and was accused of something that even I could accuse him of if I knew where he was a certain night is stupid.

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by skinnykinney on May 3, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

The difference is player vs. staff

but, IF Payton did it, then Loomis covered it up, both felonies.

But, as stated above by GSO Saints Fan, the league and officials knew about this before last season and there is no criminal investigation. So there isn’t a solid case.

by BRSaintsFan on May 2, 2010 2:41 PM CDT reply actions  

This is the way I look at it.

If SP was using vicotin during the season last year, hell, I’ll BUY them for him.

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by SaintShark on May 2, 2010 4:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Sadly


It’s hard to blackmail someone that didn’t do anything wrong. You generally don’t try to extort money from the completely innocent. We’ll see how it plays out.

Not going to go all “they sky is falling” here, though. Favre managed to spin a painkiller addiction into a heartwarming story, and though Goodel has been heavy-handed with players, he never did much of anything to Cable, who allegedly broke his own staff member’s jaw. I’m personally reserving judgment, and I imagine the NFL will do the same. If law enforcement decides to prosecute this in some meaningful way, then I’ll start to get a little worried. Until then, the old “wait and see” approach seems most prudent.

by Jimbo03 on May 2, 2010 4:58 PM CDT reply actions  

P.S.


Opening your post with a closed “strong” tag will ensure a nice tidy looking response. :)

by Jimbo03 on May 2, 2010 4:59 PM CDT reply actions  

If there are videos of this, the evidence and story

should be clear soon.

If the videos were destroyed or lost, the story may get slipper soon.

Payton needs to be cleared soon or else this story will linger for next season

by Alious on May 2, 2010 6:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Let the dust settle

people always jump on the story right off the bat. Look at the last couple of “scandals.” Tiger was “drinking and driving.” Jeff Ireland asked Dez Bryant if his mother was a prostitute. It was only after the ust settled on both stories that we found out what the truth was. Let’s let things shake out and see what happen in a couple of weeks.

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by damn strong football team on May 3, 2010 12:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Grammar

*happens

/dammit

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by damn strong football team on May 3, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

isn't the blackmailing an accusation by the Saints organization?

If so, you have to use the same skepticism about that allegation as you would about the allegations in the guy’s suit. I suppose he’s seeking remuneration from the Saints for future wages lost??

whether you think the penalties are stupid for a theft of this nature, it is a felony, and the cover-up warrants charges, too. this is not good for those involved if indeed true. for their sake I hope it isn’t.

by drbonne on May 4, 2010 1:23 PM CDT reply actions  

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