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Saints 2009 First Round Draft Pick: One Year Later

In light of all the recent news surrounding Brian Cushing's four game suspension for a positive drug test in September and inspired by this tweet from Larry Holder...

For any of those who thought the #Saints missed out on #Texans LB Brian Cushing, now what you thinking?   

...I thought it would be interesting to see how everyone now feels about the Saints 2009 first round draft pick, one year later. 

With the fourteenth pick last year, the Saints selected Ohio State cornerback Malcolm Jenkins as expected and to the delight of most fans. Still on the board, however, was the player I chose in our community mock draft: USC linebacker and eventual Rookie of the Year, Brian Cushing.

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From a production standpoint, I think it would be safe to say that Cushing has proved more valuable than Jenkins when comparing rookie seasons. With linebacker still a position of need for the Saints and cornerback locked down by Tracy Porter and Jabari Greer, the team might currently be more well-rounded had they taken Cushing last year. Some of you may have even been thinking the Saints made a mistake after seeing the season Cushing put together last year. But is all the drama that he now finds himself in and a four game suspension on the horizon worth having his talent? 

Also on the board at the time was now Dolphins cornerback Vontae Davis, who put together a pretty nice rookie season himself with forty-seven tackles, four interceptions and eleven pass deflections. Davis was the other popular mock draft choice and in the month or so leading up to the draft, most draft "experts" who didn't have the Saints taking Jenkins predicted Davis would be the pick. In retrospect, would you rather have seen the Saints take Vontae Davis to help their secondary?

Perhaps none of this matters and you feel that Malcolm Jenkins, whether as a cornerback or a safety, will eventually prove to be the smartest pick of the three over the course of each of their careers. Or maybe you wish the Saints had gone in a completely different direction altogether.

It's time to play the old "Second Guess" game. Further discussion and elaboration can be had in the comment section below. This should be interesting.  

Poll
If the Saints could do it all over again, who would you like to see them select in the first round of the 2009 draft?
Malcolm Jenkins
538 votes
Brian Cushing
217 votes
Vontae Davis
92 votes
Other
54 votes

901 votes | Poll has closed

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Is my hamburger option?

Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted

by SaintsFanInIraq on May 11, 2010 6:24 AM CDT reply actions  

I think Brian Cushing injected it into his arm

by GRlZZ on May 11, 2010 6:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Other

Michael Oher was and still would be my first choice. In hindsight, I think he would have had a much bigger impact than Jenkins did. With the second round pick we spent on Charles Brown this year, we could have selected Chad Jones, thereby filling the long term FS void that has yet to transpire.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on May 11, 2010 7:12 AM CDT reply actions  

On top of which, the nation’s exposure to “The Blind Side” coinciding with the Saints’ Super Bowl run would have made the season all the harmonious.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on May 11, 2010 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

"all the more harmonious" - right CP?

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on May 11, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I left out “more”. Good catch.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on May 12, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

glad I could help

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on May 12, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd have to wait until we know what Cushing actually tested positive for

It may not matter to Goodell, but it would matter to me as a fan. If it is another Starcaps situation where the NFL is at fault, then I’d still love for him to be a Saint and I’d defend him every chance I got.

On the other hand, if he came out tomorrow with some BS excuse like the Manny Ramirez “Its a fertility drug not a steroid (which I need because my testicles are shriveled up from years of steroid abuse)” claims, then I wouldn’t want him as part of this team, or even this league. But after all of the mess that has been thrown at the Saints over the years with regards to the league’s drug testing policy, I just don’t trust the system to act fairly anymore.

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on May 11, 2010 7:40 AM CDT reply actions  

From what i heard on NFL Network

He tested for slightly elevated HCG. According to Adam Schefter:

it is in seminal fluid and slightly elevated levels can be discovered in the event that a test occurs soon after ejaculation.

That’s what Schefter (who has strangely been pro-Cushing through this story) says about it. And here’s Wikipedia:

    It’s also commonly used during and after steroid cycles to maintain and restore testicular size as well as normal testosterone production.

My appreciation of the Saints can not be measured in nipples and dimes...nickels and boobs...money!

by Grumps on May 11, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

They showed admirable restraint.

"What he said is, 'We had protection problems.'" - Archie Manning

by stujo4 on May 11, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, so the exact same stuff Manny Ramirez was popped for? That doesn’t sound good. I would be curious as to how they define as “slightly elevated” because that could be the key to it. Wikipedia says the normal range of HcG for a man is 0-5 IU/ml. If he was testing in the range of a pregnant woman, then that one thing, but “slightly elevated” is pretty vague. Without knowing what Cushing’s HcG levels were, then it is kind of hard to pass judgement, so right now I just don’t know.

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on May 11, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jenkins had above average value last year

To wit:
Forced 2nd half turnover vs Eagles
Forced turnover at Buffalo on punt
Pick at Tampa Bay
Near pick vs Manning in SB
Threw Collie for loss on ‘quick screen’ in SB
Consistent Special Teams player

by CobraJet428 on May 11, 2010 7:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Hard to judge at this point

Jenkins definitely showed flashes last year and did play a part in some key moments (his play in the pats game was huge and he was good in the SB). His strength seemed to be tackling while his weakness seems to be recovery, so perhaps a move to S is just what the doctor ordered.

Having a great young LB would be great, but if Jenkins turns into a great S then I’d say we came out ahead. Secondary may be the most important part of the defense with GW’s “blitz till you drop” system. I’d also like to see what we have in Arnoux before pining for cushing.

"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010

by SaintBevo on May 11, 2010 8:43 AM CDT reply actions  

I didn't think

anyone would have mentioned the Pats game. I thought he came up pretty big in that game too.

It is a Saints touchdown! Seventy yards on the return! Seventy yards on the return by Porter! He did it to Favre and now he's done it to Manning!

by salad_face on May 11, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm

One year later is….well….one year later. I think it is too early to decide who is the better pick. However, this is good for a healthy debate.

After one year, I would pick Cushing (who I also wanted the Saints to draft) – but I still liked Jenkins and was happy with the pick. I did not like V. Davis, I think he had/has character issues.

However, I think (am hoping) that when it is all said and done Jenkins will prove to be the best pick. I mean, if he turns out to be the next Ed Reed then it really won’t matter how well Cushing turns out?

The person that came up with the phrase "Winning isn't everything" - must have lost.

by Fleur De Leap on May 11, 2010 8:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Jenkins is the future at free safety

I agree we’ll need at least another two seasons to determine which would have been the better choice. I think Cushing had a better statistical year because the Texans desperately needed him to. They really needed some help at LB. Jenkins was playing behind two superior corners and thus saw limited action on defense. If he had been tapped as a starter from day one (as Cushing was), Jenkins probably would have pieced together a season more in line or better than Cushing did.

I also agree that we need to find out exactly what Cushing tested positive for before condemning him. When the story first broke, it seemed to suggest steroids, but now it seems less clear. A totally agree with VAsaintsfan. The league and it’s anti-doping policy is totally untrustworthy.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on May 11, 2010 10:43 AM CDT reply actions  

And now former RoY

38 of the 50 AP writers voted for Cushing, 3 other players divided the 12 remaining votes. Now there is a re-vote. Since I live in H-Town, exposed to his play every wk, he was dinged up all yr., and still was the best player on the Texans D, maybe now for a reason. Irony-Wed. May 5 Cushing did a live phone interview that I heard on Houstons’ 790am, and bam, 2 days later Red Flag. Colts and Cowboys are the first 2 opp. this season and he gets a 4 gm. susp. Which means the Texans will miss the play-offs again by 1 gm, oops! Above- voted for Jenkins, Saints needed DB help, size wise, he’s a future S fo-sho. By the way, Saints are still World Champs! just sounds great.

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on May 11, 2010 2:58 PM CDT reply actions  

I think people

are forgetting the numerous defensive holding calls that Jenkins got last year when he started. Heck i think i counted four or five in one drive alone that weren’t called. But anyway, rookies make mistakes and he’ll learn.

I want to say this about Cushing though. I think it’s terribly odd about the revote for DRoY. The guy tested positive in early September. So you know the guy was peeing in a cup twice a week every week from then on til the end of the season. That means he would have had to play the entire year clean. It’s not like he got caught during game 10.

Was obviously a bone-headed move on Cushing’s part assuming he is guilty (who knows what came out of the appeals process). Hopefully he’ll learn and move on. One would think though that working hard and being forced to stay clean after getting caught so early on would teach him he doesn’t need that kind of thing to be successful.

by jeff.l.b on May 11, 2010 3:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Yea

But the muscle he put on while using roofs would still be there, I think.

by ReggieVilma on May 11, 2010 4:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hopefully the holds are attributed to his lack of experience not playing ability.

"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44

by jeremysherwin on May 11, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

The 10 yard cushion he requires to cover receivers is troubling.

A negative test doesn’t mean he ain’t doping! It could easily mean he found something that is not tested for.

by xen-cuts on May 11, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

The same could be said of any player in the league.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on May 12, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

has not played out just yet.. but i'm happy..

little 2 early 2 tell, imo.. cushing did seem like the bonified playmaker a lot of people were craving.. malcom did show some flashes.. & all his physical talent appears 2 be just good old fashion DNA.. cushing, on the other hand.. has a big uphill now.. if it is true that he has juiced throughout.. his production will plummet.. let’s be happy with what we have, shall we?

by the 9th plague on May 11, 2010 6:39 PM CDT reply actions  

I Say Jenkins

Having a great rookie LB would be great, but GW probably saw something in Jenkins. Jenkins will eventually be our FS; he’s gonna have another year or two of tutelage under Sharper and continue to shine on spec teams. He has decent speed but the guy is tough. He got toasted quite often last year but that was mostly rookie-related route misreads. Cushing and Vontae D will continue to be key contributors to their defenses, but with Jenkins I think secretly all along they are grooming him to be Sharper’s replacement.

by Jee on May 11, 2010 6:49 PM CDT reply actions  

I liked our pick then and I still like it

Jenkins was phenomenal on special teams last year. He was an excellent gunner. He did good early before he got hurt for a few games then Roby was spectacular as a gunner after that and so Jenkins early production got overshadowed. He also did average for a rookie CB. He didn’t really get a lot of playing time but I think when he played the nickel he did well and when we played the Pats he did really well. I only remember him getting burned a few times which is typical for a rookie corner. I think he did well and has all the right tools and skill sets to become an elite corner or safety.

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by skinnykinney on May 11, 2010 11:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Jenkins

Is still the best option to me. The downside that I saw from him was his ability to get caught holding. Other than that, I think he did pretty well for a rookie.

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by SaintsFanInIraq on May 12, 2010 4:37 AM CDT reply actions  

On the subject of Cushing

Since I don’t want to start a new fanpost just for this. Cushing won the AP DROY re-vote with 18 less votes than originally. Does this mean that PED use doesn’t matter, or what?

These voters kept him:

Don Banks, Sports Illustrated.com
Bob Berger, Sporting News Radio
Chris Berman, ESPN
Steve Cohen, Sirius Satellite Radio
Frank Cooney, SportsXChange
Mark Craig, Minneapolis Star Tribune
Tom Curran, Comcast Sportsnet
Vinny Ditrani, The Record
Rick Gosselin, Dallas Morning News
Paul Gutierrez, Sacramento Bee
Clark Judge, CBSSports.com
John McClain, Houston Chronicle
Gary Myers, New York Daily News
Danny O’Neil, Seattle Times
Pete Prisco, CBSSports.com
Adam Teicher, Kansas City Star
Charean Williams Fort Worth Star-Telegram

One voter changed their vote to Cushing.

Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (from Jairus Byrd)

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by Jay Preece on May 12, 2010 7:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Cushing is the Shockey of the texans

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by OldFartFan on May 12, 2010 9:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Respectfully, I don't think that's fair at all to Shockey

The only thing Shockey tested positive for was douchebag. Cushing is more like David Boston: Obvious cheater who no one respects.

"What he said is, 'We had protection problems.'" - Archie Manning

by stujo4 on May 12, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

just an ignorant comment

really? if this is what you have to offer…..

by LSUJOSHUA on May 16, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

As

an Alabama fan I am totally biased in saying this, but I think Cushing’s year had a lot to do with the fact that so many teams place a big emphasis on blocking DeMeco Ryans.

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by Bens4vcobra on May 13, 2010 10:27 AM CDT reply actions  

you can tell it's the off season

when this is what’s getting written about. between this and the non-story lawsuit, i’m bored out of my mind.

by LSUJOSHUA on May 16, 2010 11:27 PM CDT reply actions  

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