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Mark Brunell: Backup 'Plan B'?

We've had the backup quarterback debate so many times here on Da Chronic this off-season, I almost hesitate to bring it up again. But just the other day, a simple fact dawned on me; a fact that also dawned upon our favorite NFC South "blogger" at ESPN, Pat Yasinskas, only slightly sooner: Mark Brunell could still be the backup quarterback for the Saints next season. I hate to do it but I've got to give Pat Y. credit for beating me to the punch. 

Until now, he wasn't ever really included in this conversation. Chase Daniel? You betcha! Sean Canfield? Yessir. But never Brunell. Most likely because, well, he's not on the team anymore. Brunell is technically an unrestricted free agent looking for work. Earlier this off-season, he was drawing interest from the NY Jets but it looks as though some of the new off-season free agency rules put a damper on those plans.

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So if no other teams are interested in the veteran slinger and no significant offers are on the table, what's stopping the Saints from getting Brunell back with a low-ball offer? Makes sense to me. Not so much because Brunell is really that good but more because, as Pat so eloquently puts it...

Let's get hypothetical for a second and say Brees twists an ankle and has to miss a couple of games. Are the Saints ready to turn it over to Daniel? Or Canfield? I seriously doubt it.     

concur. Daniel and Canfield are longer-term projects, not quite ready yet to be handed the keys to a finely-tuned, well-oiled offense like one the Saints possess. 

That doesn't mean the Saints can't or won't sign another veteran QB with starting experience; someone like Marc Bulger. But how much of an upgrade would that really be and is it worth whatever trouble or learning curve might come with entering a new system, especially given Brunell has already spent two years learning it? If he remains unsigned through free agency, the Saints may be able to acquire a desperate Brunell - who would undoubtedly be amiable to not having to move again - on the cheap, then address this position again next off-season when better options might be available.

What do you think? Are Pat and I onto something here? Let's talk about Saints backup quarterback options...again.

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I think probably Brunell won’t be back. (If he is, Stuart will remind me of this, I have no doubt.) I was at that Panthers game in week 17, and he stunk up the joint. Consider that an audition for a long-term spot on the team, and he didn’t pass.

I hope the Saints aren’t simply looking at the budget when it comes to finding the best short-term replacement for Brees. Nobody available would be able to step in and do half the job Drew does…but half the job might be good enough to eke out wins. I have a hard time believing that even Chase Daniel could be significantly worse than the 45.5 passer rating Brunell had in Charlotte.

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by MtnExile on May 12, 2010 7:38 AM CDT reply actions  

“I have a hard time believing that even Chase Daniel could be significantly worse than the 45.5 passer rating Brunell had in Charlotte.”

If he’s playing with the same scrubs Brunell was in that game, I can’t imagine him doing a whole lot better.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on May 12, 2010 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not saying I want Brunell back, btw. I just don’t believe the circumstances surrounding that game justify its being considered an “audition for a long-term spot”.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on May 12, 2010 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah....

but there were a few plays in which Brunell looked and threw his age, which I can’t personally hold against the guy. I specifically a pass to Meachem that was woefully underthrown. Granted, that is hardly a sample size that would dictate his performance if he were fully staffed with first team players, but his performance did little to instill confidence. I think there are better options on the market right now if we are going to look at a vet QB.

by tlsk1066 on May 12, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

probably Brunell won’t be back. (If he is, Stuart will remind me of this, I have no doubt.)

That’s what this forum is all about, right? Right? uh, I mean, we’re just exchanging viewpoints and growing as people and group hugs and…. oh hell.

"What he said is, 'We had protection problems.'" - Archie Manning

by stujo4 on May 12, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the team will eventually sign Pat Ramsey

I heard they liked what they saw best in the workouts from him, but the priority right now is extending PT/Lance/Harper. Once they get a little closer to camp and those guys are taken care of, I think we’ll see Ramsey come in for the veteran minimum on a 1 year deal.

by Andrew Juge on May 12, 2010 8:03 AM CDT reply actions  

I’d rather bring Brunell back than sign Ramsey. At least Brunell is a proven placeholder, who wouldn’t have to throw across his body on a botched snap. He also wouldn’t have to learn the playbook from scratch. Ramsey’s probably a little more mobile, but they’re both sub par, in terms of a backup QB. Trade a bag of Zapps Crawtators to the Jets for Kellen Clemens. That’s my idea for the day.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on May 12, 2010 8:13 AM CDT reply actions  

You beat me to it on the holder's angle

Also… there is that young snapper Gresham in town so they may as well end cutting Kyle to save some dollars… Advantage Brunell…. although to me Bulger would be the best option overall

"Saints don't commit sins, they exorcise demons. The NFL most accurate passer was preaching, and the league MVP watched as the Game MVP delivered an impressive sermon"

by bondcrash on May 12, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sean Canfield is a lefty. Would it make too much sense to make him the holder if he makes the cut?

"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams

by DrWhoDat on May 12, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Depends on whether he’s designated third string or not. An emergency QB can only be used in certain situations and once he is, you can’t revert back to either of the two above him on the depth chart. A FG is considered a downed play and counts towards that rule. Basically, if Canfield was the holder, he would have to be the primary backup to Brees, as well. Otherwise, they’d just be shooting themselves in the foot. That’s the reason Adrian McPherson was never active in a regular season game. They couldn’t afford to lose Bouman, in the event Brooks went down.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on May 12, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

That’s also the reason why most teams use a punter as their placeholder. Dallas was (and may still be) the only team that uses their starting QB.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on May 12, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Tony stopped holding for FG’s the season after the Seahawks debacle?

"I still think we're a team of destiny. Destiny is more powerful than a curse. Whatever is meant to be will happen. Faith." - Drew Brees

by Dan Kelly on May 12, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Makes perfect sense, though. From the southpaw perspective, I mean.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on May 12, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I need a Hanburger option here.

I don’t like the idea of Brunell being back, but it is definitely a possibility.

Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted

by SaintsFanInIraq on May 12, 2010 8:56 AM CDT reply actions  

someone like Marc Bulger.

Thank you.

"What he said is, 'We had protection problems.'" - Archie Manning

by stujo4 on May 12, 2010 9:28 AM CDT reply actions  

But how much of an upgrade would that really be

Over Brunell?? You have got to be crappin’ me. We all saw game 16 last year. Bulger had an offensive line with the Rams that was almost as bad as Archie Manning’s. Yeah, upgrade.

"What he said is, 'We had protection problems.'" - Archie Manning

by stujo4 on May 12, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bulger gets hurt if you look at him funny. Or if you just look at him, in your case.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on May 12, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

He gets hurt because no one on the Rams blocked for him. I thought he was fragile too, but he took a lot of abuse before he missed playing time.

"What he said is, 'We had protection problems.'" - Archie Manning

by stujo4 on May 12, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

“I thought he was fragile too, but he took a lot of abuse before he missed playing time.”

What about Casey Martin? They could pursue a special exemption to allow a Segway in the huddle.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on May 12, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

GAAAAAAA.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on May 12, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ramsey would be adequate too. And probably Kellen Clemons except he still thinks he can start in the NFL. Maybe Payton can tell him his “I was a replacement quarterback during the strike and I found out how much I sucked at the pro level” story and get him to smell the coffee.

"What he said is, 'We had protection problems.'" - Archie Manning

by stujo4 on May 12, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

maybe we can call him Marc BURGER if we sign him

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on May 12, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Maybe Payton can tell him his "I was a replacement quarterback during the strike and I found out how much I sucked at the pro level"

Ha that’s classic. True though. Payton is a much better coach than player. Maybe he could get Clemons to believe that he’d be a much better back up than a starter.

by narco301 on May 12, 2010 9:44 AM CDT reply actions  

The Saints also brought in Greg Paulus

as a long term project. I think they’ll let Daniel, Canfield, and Paulus battle it out in camp and at least get some snaps in preseason for a change, and then probably bring in a veteran at the last minute. I like Bulger because he has run offenses very similar to the Saints’, he just hasn’t had an O-line lately. They’ll probably sign a veteran before the last preseason game and let him get some snaps in that game.

Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!

by mknkachow on May 12, 2010 10:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Both Bulger and McCown have played under Mike Martz. I think that probably bodes well for their chances.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on May 12, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

So did Jamie Martin, for whatever that’s worth.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on May 12, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Paulus gone already no?

"Saints don't commit sins, they exorcise demons. The NFL most accurate passer was preaching, and the league MVP watched as the Game MVP delivered an impressive sermon"

by bondcrash on May 12, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Greg Paulus is not a member of the Saints

"What he said is, 'We had protection problems.'" - Archie Manning

by stujo4 on May 12, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

My bad

He was invited to camp on a tryout basis. I thought he signed as an undrafted free agent.

Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!

by mknkachow on May 12, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

We should have never let J.T. O’Sullivan go. He could have been the Bobby Scott of the 2000s.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on May 12, 2010 10:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Well if we really want Brunell we’ll likely see evidence of this in a few weeks. If we tender him by June 1st at 110% of last year’s salary, then if he’s still unsigned by July 22nd he becomes essentially an ERFA of ours for the rest of the labor year.

by FriarBob on May 12, 2010 12:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Not a Brunell believer

First off, if Drew goes down the ship is sunk. The offense goes as Drew goes. With that said, I no longer believe that Brunell can handle the offense against the better half of the league. He no longer has the tools. I would rather start getting one of the younger guys learning the system. Chas has had some time, so I don’t think we’re looking at such a long learning curve for him.

by SaintBC on May 12, 2010 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Chas?

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on May 12, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

HA!

"What he said is, 'We had protection problems.'" - Archie Manning

by stujo4 on May 12, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

who is that?

other than what some people might call a FF, that is

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on May 12, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mr. Chas Bono, formerly Ms. Chastity Bono, former daughter now son of Sonny & Cher.

"What he said is, 'We had protection problems.'" - Archie Manning

by stujo4 on May 12, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow - I had no idea she/he had an operation...

the late Sonny Bono

shall we observe a moment of silence

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on May 12, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I got you babe

"What he said is, 'We had protection problems.'" - Archie Manning

by stujo4 on May 12, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

they say that love won't pay the rent

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on May 12, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can you believe this?

Here's to you, Patrick Robinson, Jesus1000 loves you more than you will know...

by Jay Preece on May 12, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

(He) looks like Garry Shandling after a five night sabbatical at the Cheesecake Factory.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on May 14, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some not so well known back ups....

I’d rather have a back up that can play! I’m sure the Pats didn’t think an unknown like Brady was the begining of a dynasty. And look at Matt Cassell after Brady. While Steve Young was a known football player his record at TB was 3-16. He turned out pretty good at SF. I feel Brunell is done. There is a reason he is still available. Give me a guy with something to prove like Daniels. We may go down in flames but Im sure we will go down fighting.

by DatFan on May 12, 2010 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Daniels will be the back up

but please in this economic time don’t bet your house or wife on it.

What wonderful little gifts April Fools Day brings.
~D's Pappy

by OldFartFan on May 12, 2010 5:33 PM CDT reply actions  

oh I’d bet my wife on it….

by BRSaintsFan on May 13, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bulger

would be a good short term answer for backup..He is a good QB dont get me wrong, but that O-line in St. Louis was so horrible that he got beat up pretty bad… why not give him a shot? he’s better than Patrick Ramsey and Luke McCown

by vanondubs on May 12, 2010 7:56 PM CDT reply actions  

I remember McCown...

doing a number on us in a pre-season game. Can’t remember which game but I remember him looking pretty good in that game.

by narco301 on May 13, 2010 4:57 PM CDT reply actions  

No. There is absolutely zero reason to have Mark behind

center as our backup. He gives us absolutely nothing and would not win a game as our starter.

We are better off signing a younger guy with some experience or even little

Mark is way past his time and then some.

by Alious on May 13, 2010 8:30 PM CDT reply actions  

LMAO

Any QB that follows Drew Brees will look dum and stupid (lol). Thats how good Drew plays Peyton’s offensive system and style. The best back up Qb ever was that guy from San Francisco awhile back. He went and played for Philly then Tampa and then the Raiders. I can’t remember his name. He was a great leader and could move any offense.But every year he gets cut ? I never understood why ? He was a white dude and was bald. He always had his best games against us (Saints)….whats he dam name ?

by sainthog on May 14, 2010 6:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Jeff Garcia.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on May 14, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is this him?

"Do not anticipate trouble or worry about what may never happen. Keep in the sunlight. " ~Benjamin Franklin

by Dan Kelly on May 14, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

like terry B said

garcia has to be the ugliest Q.B in the league, women next to him is a HeShe, great surgery.

by bigbaddon on May 14, 2010 8:28 PM CDT reply actions  

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