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Vicodin Scandal: Plaintiff Santini Hints There's More to the Story

When the news of an alleged vicodin cover up was first exposed in the media, I implored all Saints fans to 'prepare for the worst and hope for the best'...  

I'm afraid we've only been exposed to the tip of the iceberg and, as often happens in situations like this, there are more dark secrets yet to be revealed. I've just got a bad feeling that this could be bigger than we think.     

Yesterday, the plaintiff in a civil suit  against the Saints alleging prescription drug theft and a subsequent cover up,  Geoff Santini, hinted at something that affirms my exact fears...

"I thought I had it straightened out, but things turned around in a different way. It moved to protecting Sean Payton. Now I can't go into all of that. There's more than just this (lawsuit). What I thought I was dealing with initially was a theft and a cover-up. As it turned out, there was much more. I can't go into that."    

What...the hell...does that mean? Something stinks here. Something really stinks. As I've said all along, it's never been the outcome of this civil suit that's got me worried...

What would be a concern is a possible criminal investigation brought about by the accusations in the civil suit.    

Santini's credibility can certainly be questioned and many fans have seemed to wave off these allegations as bogus but I still think a cautiously optimistic attitude is warranted here. 

Is the dial on anyone else's Concern-o-meter going up?

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Concern-o-meter is rising. so is the BS-o-meter with this guy. All of this hits the mainstream well after the Saints win the Superbowl. Why didn’t he bring this up last August? I think he is trying to cash in at their expense, and if sniffle, sniffle judges and juries side in his favor, then I think this is definitely going to tarnish anything the Saints did in the past year. I actually think that is the intent of the whole affair. The Saints won the Superbowl, they had an entire country rooting for them against one of their most beloved player’s kid, and they went 3 sure fire Hall of Fame caliber quarterbacks to win it all. We can’t have this. This is the Saints we are talking about. Let’s make people hate them again. Brett Favre and Jerry Jones both paid this guy off to bring up BS allegations.

Ok, now that emotion is out of the way, I do honestly think this is going to get ugly, messy, and lead to suspensions, fines, and banishment from the NFL for management people involved if the civil suit goes south. That is the light part though. If the civil suit goes against the Saints, I look for criminal charges and Jail Time if anyone is found guilty.

Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted

by SaintsFanInIraq on May 13, 2010 2:03 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Who exactly is the victim . . .

. . . of the theft? It seems to me, that if the company, headed up by Mickey Loomis, is not willing to press charges against the alleged thieves, then this issue can’t be treated as a criminal case. I know I must be missing something, but I can’t figure out the relationship between the custodianship of the narcotics and the Saints organization. As far as I can understand, this seems like it should be a simple wrongful termination issue.

Any lawyers care to enlighten?

"Why would I even consider taking the ball out of Drew Brees’ hands?’’

by DrZin on May 13, 2010 3:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Theft from the company would be their right to pursue or not pursue. Theft of a prescription drug, however, is another matter entirely. On the third hand, it’s rare for the DEA to get involved over such “minor” quantities, unless something makes it a big deal in some other fashion. Such as, for example, lots and LOTS of publicity.

by FriarBob on May 13, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Such as, for example, lots and LOTS of publicity.

Whew… It’s a good thing we don’t have any of that going on. :-)

"I still think we're a team of destiny. Destiny is more powerful than a curse. Whatever is meant to be will happen. Faith." - Drew Brees

by Dan Kelly on May 13, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does anyone else not care at all, because I don't

I guess it would be a bummer if the performance of the team was affected because coaches are suspended or something worse like jail time. But seriously Vicodin is a pussy drug, I can get way more high by drinking a bunch of beers than I can by taking half a dozen Vicodin. Even if someone like Coach Payton was taking Vicodin illegally, I do not care so long as he keeps it under control and can continue to coach the team at a high level, which he clearly did. I’m not going to assume Sean or others are taking Vicodin but if it helps them relax after some intense coaching and doesn’t compromise their mental or physical health then so be it, and let the man live his life. In the end I am very against the persecution of “weak” drugs. Which are the drugs whose pernicious effects are comparable to the drug known commonly as alcohol… marijuana is a good example. As long as this stays merely a moral situation I don’t care, so lets hope the performance of the team isn’t affected by a criminal prosecution or NFL suspension.

On a random note. Last year I chose Jonathan Casillas as my favorite (aka most expected to succeed) undrafted free agent and I would like to put on record that this year Jay Ross is my favorite undrafted free agent.

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smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye can see."
- Thomas Jefferson

by DaymanCometh on May 13, 2010 4:35 AM CDT reply actions  

I hope you are right. I’ll admit I’m not sure of it, but I think there’s a good chance you are.

I can’t help but recall how this putz got credit for helping to take down Governor Edwards. Yeah, by lying (or at least badly stretching the truth) about him, which he was later forced to recant. Oh, that’s a GREAT accomplishment there. Not that Edwards was exactly a victim there… but Santa here shouldn’t be getting credit for it.

by FriarBob on May 13, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're right... the only problem is...

I still fear what Goodell is going to do (suspension-wise) REGARDLESS of the outcome of the court case.

"I still think we're a team of destiny. Destiny is more powerful than a curse. Whatever is meant to be will happen. Faith." - Drew Brees

by Dan Kelly on May 13, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with M-E.

Maybe I’m still wearing my Super Bowl colored glasses, but I believe it’s all about this guy trying to get money.

"It's better to burn out than fade away."

by SaintsFan-KS on May 13, 2010 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree with MtnE. He’s just trying to stir the pot, keep up interest in the story and try to force the Saints to settle. It doesn’t mean that he really has that much evidence against the Saints that he can’t fit it all into one interview.

Here's to you, Patrick Robinson, Jesus1000 loves you more than you will know...

by Jay Preece on May 13, 2010 8:29 AM CDT reply actions  

You reach a point of no return eventually.

If you have massive amounts of media attention spotlighted on a situation it is bad.
Bad for Santini that is. If the Saints settle out of court now, it would appear bad on their part and the organization.
There is so much attention on the situation that i believe it would be better for all parties involved in the Saints organization to let it play out in court. This way the entire organization would not take a hit. Better to go on puplic record than behind closed arbritrary doors. Besides even if they do settle with Santini there still remains the theft of a Schedual II narcotic. Regardless of the situation Goodell will have to ability to bring down his wrath, which is unfortunate for the Saints.

"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44

by jeremysherwin on May 13, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

As long as the Saints front office circles the wagons

we’ll just hear one side of the story. No doubt Santini’s attorney wants to settle and will put pressure on the front office. He probably won’t get much help from the local media, so he goes to national outlets. Trying cases is always a gamble. Even when you know your case is solid, trials are still a huge risk, especially putting the Saints GM and head coach on trial in front of a New Orleans jury right after they won the first Super Bowl title in franchise history. My only fear is that the Saints didn’t settle because they couldn’t get a non-disclosure agreement from Santini in the deal because they think he may end up as a witness in a criminal prosecution. In a case like this, the only impetus to settle for an amount that the Saints could probably get between the couch cushions in the front office waiting area is to shut up the plaintiff. That’s just my paranoia speaking. I’m still taking this with a huge grain of salt.

by Nabb1 on May 13, 2010 8:53 AM CDT reply actions  

I am a little confused,

because of the alledged crimminal activity how can Santini sign a non-disclosure agreement. Would he not be required by law to testify and submit the evidence about the case to whatever agency. Would he not be just as guilty as someone who failed to report a crime? I was under the impression this is still a civil suit and it follows a different set of rules than a crimminal case.

"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44

by jeremysherwin on May 13, 2010 11:18 AM CDT reply actions  

You're not confused

That’s exactly correct. If it wasn’t, all anyone accused of a crime would need to do is obtain a non-disclosure agreement.

“Miss Smith, did you see the defendant shoot the victim twice in the head?”

“I’m sorry, but I signed a non-disclosure agreement. I can’t answer the question.”

“Damn! No further questions, your honor.”

Plus, if he’s really got videotapes of drug thefts that haven’t been turned over to the DEA yet, they’re going to be visiting him and asking some awfully tough questions.

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by MtnExile on May 13, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

On Fox 8 news last night, they showed Tom Benson talking about this

and he was saying that this was a typical lawsuit filed by a disgruntled employee. He didn’t want to get into too many details, but he did produce gold. He said that he thinks the reason Santini is disgruntled is because he resigned last year and then we won the Super Bowl. He went on to say that he would have been mad too if he had resigned and then the team won with Rita as the owner. It was funny.

Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!

by mknkachow on May 13, 2010 12:24 PM CDT reply actions  

now that it's gone to arbitration

we’ll REALLY never know what actually happened. The Saints can say what they want about it, and Santini can say what he wants (which won’t be much because of the confidentiality agreement), and neither can be proven wrong…unless criminal charges get filed or the “much, much more” Santini alluded to gets unearthed somehow…

Oh, and Santini might get paid, too.

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on May 13, 2010 7:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I can't WAIT until this thing is over and the Saints write Santini a check....

…that doesn’t even cover his legal fees!!!!!!

Then we can add this lawsuit to his list of short-sighted decisions… 2 years in Community College instead of a 4-year Degree (I’m fairly sure… Correct me if I’m wrong), QUITTING the lowly Saints to be League Head of Security of the up-and-coming UFL, etc…

It's an ankle bracelet, not a halo....

by yurintroubl on May 13, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like your new avatar

…but Patrick Robinson wears 34. Chip Vaughn is now 21.

I know who i am! I'm the dude playing the dude disguised as another dude!

by MtnExile on May 14, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry - I made that before the numbers were announced.

I modified one of his Florida State pics.

It's an ankle bracelet, not a halo....

by yurintroubl on May 14, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, i know

but I’m keepin’ it for now

this kid is gonna do great things for us, and I like seeing him in action in the black and gold (non-rookie camp practice photo)

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on May 15, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Serenity Prayer comes to mind.

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on May 15, 2010 12:04 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree with him that I am sure we don't know the entire

story yet….I suspect we will eventually get it somehow

I figure that the truth is always somewhere in between

by Alious on May 15, 2010 5:57 PM CDT reply actions  

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