Getting Familiar with the Saints Newest Fullback Jason McKie
News was released later last night that the Saints had signed former Chicago Bears fullback, Jason McKie, a somewhat surprising but certainly understandable maneuver. Fullback isn't necessarily one of the teams positions of need but with only Heath Evans on the roster, there was no competition ready to push him in training camp.
Since McKie, who just turned 30 on Saturday, was definitely not on my radar, I had to do a little research and find out more about the Saints newest member. Because I'm a nice guy, I've decided to share the findings of that research after the jump in an orderly, easy to read format.
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Why was he available?
McKie was released from the Bears on March 16th to make room on the roster to sign their new cornerback, Tim Jennings. Chicago has a new offensive coordinator in Mike Martz this season and his system doesn't really utilize the fullback position. McKie himself saw the writing on the wall...
I pretty much knew when Mike Martz was named offensive coordinator that there wasn't going to be a high priority placed on the fullback position.
So the Bears inevitably parted ways with the fullback despite two years remaining on his contract and like many of the signings the team has made this off-season, the Saints have gotten their hands on a quality free agent with no serious strings attached.
What can fans expect on the field?
Self-described as 'multi-talented,' McKie is known as a jack of all trades but also as a master of none. While he may not excel at either running, blocking or pass catching in particular and fans may think he's just 'serviceable,' his versatility to do each well enough combined with his work ethic have made him valuable throughout his career. McKie is certainly to be taken seriously this summer and should offer legitimate competition with Heath Evans during training camp. Also helping his cause: McKie was valuable contributer on Chicago's special teams unit.
What can fans expect off the field?
There are only two words that describe Jason McKie as a person: Class act. A favorite in the locker room, McKie seems to fit right in with the Saints commitment to signing not just players with talent but also with high character. I've pulled some reader comments from the Windy City Gridiron thread announcing his release. I will let them do the talking. If this feels like Deja Vu, it's not.
He was a class act...I wish him the best of luck elsewhere
McKie is a class act,
If you’re reading this Jason, good luck in all your endeavors!
Great guy... Gonna miss him... Class act!
Definetly a class act.
God Bless Jmack
great guy
As this article from Chicago Breaking Sports says, McKie acted with class until his very last day with the Bears, even when he had the right not to...
Jason McKie could have walked away disgruntled, considering he had two years remaining on his Bears' contract. Plus, he was a favorite in the locker room, so his release Tuesday surely triggered some emotions among his former teammates.
But instead of lashing out at the organization, the veteran fullback praised head coach Lovie Smith and running backs coach Tim Spencer for giving him the opportunity. McKie thanked the Bears fans for the support and said it was an honor to wear the same helmet Walter Payton once sported.
What is he worth?
Details of McKie's contract have not been released yet but we can look at his previous years salaries and perhaps deduce a ballpark figure.
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Year
Team
Base Salary
Sign Bonus
Other Bonus
Total Salary
Cap Value
Position
2009
Bears
$ 745,000
$ 0
$ 50,000
$ 795,000
$ 995,000
RB
2008
Bears
$ 605,000
$ 1,000,000
$ 50,000
$ 655,000
$ 855,000
RB
2007
Bears
$ 595,000
$ 1,000,000
$ 50,000
$ 645,000
$ 845,000
RB
2006
Bears
$ 585,000
$ 1,000,000
$ 4,400
$ 1,589,400
$ 789,400
RB
Now that you're all caught up, it's time to give your own answers about the latest addition to the black & gold. Do you like this signing? And what does it say about the status of Heath Evans? Can we take it to mean that the Saints aren't so confident in the timeline of his recovery?
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Does he have a chance?
Of course he does. I’d have a chance…Evans could be bitten by a radioactive bat or something, who knows? Do I think he’d be an upgrade over the Heath Evans who played for us for six games last year? No. I want that guy back.
It’s more likely he beats out Marcus Mailei.
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don't forget about Zak Keasy!
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by Hans Petersen on May 24, 2010 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Last year’s five starts were a CAREER high for Evans. Let that sink in a minute, while realizing that we’re talking about a 9 year journeyman, not a 2nd or 3rd year player who just hasn’t had the opportunity to make his mark. A solid FB when he’s on, it’s just … when has he EVER been on? If Evans was a WR, his name would be David Boston. Mark it down: McKie will start and be an upgrade at the position.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
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Pizza, you’re smarter than that. How many other teams in the entire NFL actually give starter credit to a FB? Four? Five? Less?
From 2001 to 2005 he missed a grand total of three games, all in the last two years. Sure he may not have started many of them, but he played almost every week. Then he had two weak years, and then he came back with three more years of playing in every single game.
Heath Evans is roughly as injury prone as Tom Brady. A few bad years sprinkled among many other years of excellence.
pre-reply I guess… I meant how many other teams actually start a FB on a regular basis. Because not many do. Most teams open up in 3 wides, 2TE, unbalanced line, or other similar formations that eliminate the FB. Heck probably half the teams in the league don’t even carry a FB position at all!
“Heck probably half the teams in the league don’t even carry a FB position at all!”
2 out of 32 = half? The Patriots and Colts are the only NFL teams without a designated FB on their roster.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Lots of teams have them, not many use them for anything other than blocking.
(I’m not saying they don’t exist, I’m actually curious…)
Besides Mike Allstott and La’Ron McLain (who’s just a big RB), what other FB was actually a ball carrier/catcher?
"Do not anticipate trouble or worry about what may never happen. Keep in the sunlight. " ~Benjamin Franklin
So, if the offense takes the field for its first series, and the first play does not use a formation that includes a fullback, the fullback does not get credit for the start? Makes sense.
If I were a piano player, I'd play it in the goddam closet.
Pizza, you’re smarter than that. How many other teams in the entire NFL actually give starter credit to a FB? Four? Five? Less?
Any team that happens to start a FB, which would be about 30 this past season. More relevant to this particular topic, two of the four teams Evans played for did. Mack Strong started 48 games over the four seasons Evans was with the Seahawks. Kyle Eckel was credited with 2 starts this past season with the Saints. The Bears coincidentally do, as well. McKie has started 47 games in his career. Funny how those “four, five or less” teams just so happen to gravitate towards the employment of these two players. Tell me, can you name five NFL teams that have NOT credited a FB with starting at least one game over the last nine seasons?
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
You say he had 5 starts this past year. I’m seeing 6 games he played for the Saints in 2009. Who got that 6th start when he was still healthy?
I’m also seeing him playing in all 16 games his previous 3 years in New England. Who was he losing starts to during those years?
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
by VAsaintsfan on May 24, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
They evidently started those games with either a single back set or an empty backfield. I’m not saying that doesn’t happen. The Patriots are one of the very few teams that seldom use a FB period. It shouldn’t be a surprise that he wasn’t given credit for starts there. Even still, if you exclude those 3 1/2 years in NE all together, he only has 8 starts in 73 games. That’s nowhere near McKie’s 47 in 88.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
So since Heath Evans (who seemed to get more playing time than any backup FB I can think of) failed to unseat Mack Strong (who had solidified his starting job since 1995), he isn’t as good as Jason McKie, whose main competition for the starting job in Chicago was Stanley Prichett? That’s like saying A>5 and B<20, therefore A>B. Its flawed logic CP.
And that’s not even mentioning the problem with not figuring in his time in New England. He was the starter there. I don’t care if the fact that N.E. doesn’t use a FB on their 1st play from scrimmage means he doesn’t get credit for a start in the stat column. We both know he was N.E.’s #1 FB. You are simply gaming the system by only comparing one line of skewed stats and ignoring everything else.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
“I don’t care if the fact that N.E. doesn’t use a FB on their 1st play from scrimmage means he doesn’t get credit for a start in the stat column.”
They haven’t used a FB much AT ALL since the first year Evans arrived. 34 carries is his season high, since Payton’s been a head coach. That’s slightly over 2 carries per game; a periodic upback handoff to catch the DL off guard in short yardage situations. He was primarily a special teams player in New England. He became the starting FB for the Saints by default, because Karney was on his way out the door and we didn’t have anyone better. McKie’s a better lead blocker. I know that just from watching him. Of course, it’s always easier to watch someone who is ACTUALLY ON THE FIELD. Care to explain away four teams in nine seasons? Like it or not, starts are defined as being on the field for the first snap of a game. If you’re not out there for that snap, you’re a backup. Yes, he was their #1 FB, but if he’s not starting and he’s seldom used on offense, what is that saying, exactly? Nothing, imo. That’s like being the #1 long snapper for a team that never punts. In and of itself, that doesn’t make him better (or worse) than a guy that does it all the time. Still, you can only go by what you see and there’s a whole lot more McKie to see.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Well technically you could be the #1 long snapper on a team that never punts and still get used a lot.
Because unless every single drive ends in a turnover or end-of-half, at least some are going to end in a FG attempt or a TD, and the long-snapper will get used for those too.
As for whether Evans was never on the field in NE, if they didn’t want to use him, there’s not a whole heck of a lot he could do about it…
“As for whether Evans was never on the field in NE, if they didn’t want to use him, there’s not a whole heck of a lot he could do about it…”
They used him a lot on special teams. But you’re right, there’s nothing a player can do in that situation, other than bust his hump in practice and whenever he is occasionally used, to the point of making his RBs coach or OC start to rethink their approach to the position. He evidently didn’t do a good enough job of that, as he’s in New Orleans now and the Patriots no longer have a FB on the roster at all. That seems like the exact opposite of supporting your case through performance.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Convincing Bill Bellichick to change his offensive philosophy is like convincing you you’re wrong, even if you are. It’s impossible.
That’s because we’re both douchey hoody-wearing gods among mortals.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
by coldpizza on May 25, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by Dave Cariello on May 25, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
OK, so if you want to go off of production from the fullback position, Evans has much better production than McKie. Evans has more than 5X the amount of rushing attempts that McKie has, so I guess Evans had to be on the field for at least some of those plays, right? Evans also puts up a better rushing average. McKie has more catches, but Evans has more total receiving yards. Still want to talk about production comparisons?
If you actually want to watch Heath Evans in a game it is very simple. There have only been 3 seasons in his career in which he didn’t play in a least 14 games, and played in all 16 games 5 times.
As for 4 teams in his career, Seattle had Mack Strong, one of the greatest fullbacks of this generation. I’m not too familiar with Miami, but it doesn’t look like he got more than half a chance with them before N.E. plucked him away. Plus, that was just a horrible team, so I can’t really blame him for a backwards organization. Like you said, N.E. doesn’t use a FB. Why pay a veteran money if you aren’t going to use him? With as little as the use a FB, they could get an undrafted rookie for a fraction of the price. Anybody with 7 or 8 years under their belt commanding a veteran salary would have been cut from that team.
So back to the flaw in your logic. Starts do not equal playing time. For all you know, Evans could have been playing 20 snaps a game for New England. He had 123 rushes and 24 catches during his time there. A fullback doesn’t come close to putting up those kind of numbers unless he is in the game a lot. Jason McKie hasn’t come close to that kind of game involvement. So he was on the field. Plenty. Maybe more than Jason McKie. I don’t have the patience to look up the number of snaps taken, but you theory is pure bull.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
“He had 123 rushes and 24 catches during his time there. A fullback doesn’t come close to putting up those kind of numbers unless he is in the game a lot.”
I’m not equating starting to playing time. Outside of his first year with the team Evans wasn’t heavily involved in the offense PERIOD. As in, AT ALL. I’m basing this on both seeing New England play during that time and the feedback of a friend who follows the Patriots even more closely than I do. 86 touches over 48 games is nothing. Granted, it’s nearly twice as much as the Saints ever used Mike Karney, but Karney never started less than seven games a year. Do you know why? Because he was a LEAD BLOCKER. It’s what FBs are typically paid to do. It’s what McKie has been doing FAR MORE OFTEN than Evans all along. Who really cares about rushing yards and receptions from a FB, when you have all the weapons the Saints do? They need a proven run blocker and McKie is (and always has been) a better one of those than Evans. Evans didn’t get a chance is Seattle because he wasn’t good enough to supplant Strong. He didn’t cut it in Miami because he wasn’t good enough. He wasn’t used heavily in New England, because the scheme didn’t dictate it. Rest assured, if he would have been an excellent lead blocker, they would have found a way to work him in more. What, do you think Bill Belichick just overlooked his immense talent? Six games in as a Saint, he’s lost for the season. It’s not a theory, it’s fact. McKie been lead blocking for Thomas Jones, Cedric Benson, Matt Forte, etc., for years. He’s a STARTING NFL FB, not a wandering scrub that stumbled into an lifetime opportunity after butt-pressing a bench for eight years.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
You’re comparing apples to oranges. I don’t care that he wasn’t starts in Seattle. He was getting equal playing time with Mack Strong. I don’t care that he wasn’t in for the first play in New England. He got plenty of playing time. Stats show he was heavily involved in the Offense in Seattle and New England, as he is in New Orleans. More so than just about any FB in the league I can think of. If you want to compare run blocking, then that’s fine. Bring some meaningful stats into it. Evans looked pretty darn good as a lead blocker those first 6 games of last season, so “your friend’s” feedback doesn’t mean jack to me right now. Show me something to back it up.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
“He was getting equal playing time with Mack Strong.”
“He got plenty of playing time.”
“Stats show he was heavily involved in the Offense in Seattle and New England”
You make ridiculous statements like this and want me to back up my opinion on his run blocking?
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
I provided stats in the way of carries and receptions that show he was on the field. I also showed that he played in 14 or more games 7 times in his career. What else do you want to back up that statement? Give me something that shows different.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
Games played does not equate to playing time. In fact, games played doesn’t even equate to playing at all. It just means he was on the active game day roster that often. Granted, he probably did play a little in practically every one of those games, but nowhere near “equal playing time with Mack Strong”. Mark Brunell is credited with 16 games played in 2009. Should I assume he and Drew Brees split time equally? Oops, Brees only played in 15 games. I must be underestimating Brunell’s value to the offense. How silly of me.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
OK, I’ll concede that it wasn’t equal time during his stint in Seattle. Does it matter? He was on the field for more than enough time to evaluate his talent. The simple fact that he didn’t pass Mack Strong on the depth chart has absolutely NOTHING to do with his value in relation to Jason McKie. During his time in N.E. he averaged 37 touches a year. That’s significant for a FB. For someone in that position it shows heavy involvement in the offense. And if you think about the type of offense the Saints run, it is more of a pass-first style that New England runs, and couldn’t be further from what Chicago runs. In that context, Heath Evans is a much, much better fit than McKie.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
37 touches for what, exactly? A 3.7 ypc average? Wowee, a whole 0.1 higher than his career average. This guy clearly needs to be more involved in the running game. McKie has a 5.4 ypc career average. That statistic being strictly for people like you that seem adamant on judging a FB’s production based on the number of times he touches the ball. Again, who cares about rushing and receptions? I also completely disagree with your last sentence. The Saints WERE a pass-first offense, back when they were a 7-9 and 8-8 team. They’ve wisely moved away from that ideology, into more of a balanced attack. For that reason alone, I would rather see a FB geared for run blocking — a la McKie, Karney, Eckel, etc. — than one used heavily in the passing game. And don’t even think about arguing pass blocking, as the Saints may throw out of a two back set what, maybe two or three times a game? Lastly, you might want to go back and look at Evans’s 2005 season with the Pats. He was used heavily in ONE game, against the Texans that year. That’s when New England was decimated by RB injuries, down to Patrick Pass and Evans, if I’m not mistaken. So, even that’s a bit skewed, as he was being used as a substitute halfback at the time — a la Peyton Hillis — not as the upback he would man in this offense.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
“You’re comparing apples to oranges.”
You’re damn well right I am.
Apple = legitimate starting NFL FB = McKie.
Orange = backup / special teams ace = Evans.
That’s my entire point. There’s no comparison as to who should be in the starting lineup, based on their blocking talent and/or what they’ve accomplished in their careers.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Again, I have to say that there is no concrete evidence to back that up. If you have anything that proves it, by all means throw it out, but otherwise this is going nowhere.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
by VAsaintsfan on May 25, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I wouldnt be surprised the active roster ends up with...
3 x TE and 2 x FB
rather than …
4 x TE and 1 x FB (with David Thomas helping out)
and rather than (even worse)
3 x TE and 1 x FB
which is pretty thin given the injury history of the characters involved
"Saints don't commit sins, they exorcise demons. The NFL most accurate passer was preaching, and the league MVP watched as the Game MVP delivered an impressive sermon"
Think you might be well informed
Makes sense to me.
What wonderful little gifts April Fools Day brings.
~D's Pappy
I think that with all we see coming from Minnesota it can be easy to forget that there are actually decent human beings in the NFC North. Glad to bring in Jason McKie for a shot with the Saints and eager to see how he fits in.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
If I'm not mistaken ...
the last and only other Saints player from Temple University was LB Wayne Colman (1968-76).
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Special teams this year is going to be spectacular this year.
"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44
They should consider bringing in Adrian N. Peterson, as well. He was even a better special teams player for the Bears and could arguably beat out any of these undrafted free agent chumps we currently have on the roster for the 3rd or 4th HB spot.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
He had a solid showing against the Saints a few years back in the season finale (Pierre Thomas’s breakout game).
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
I think he’s just as good a runner as Bell was and a better all-around back.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
It's 2010, man
Adrian Peterson-RB- Bears Feb. 3 – 6:49 pm et The Bears are not expected to re-sign unrestricted free agent Adrian Peterson.Now 30 years old, Peterson has lost explosiveness as a runner and receiver. The Bears no longer trust him as a backup running back, so he’s limited to special teams duties. Injury-prone Kevin Jones is entering the final year of his contract, but Khalil Bell enters the offseason as the No. 2 back behind Matt Forte.
If I were a piano player, I'd play it in the goddam closet.
“He’s just as good a runner as Bell was and a better all-around back.”
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Thank you. I was about to straighten that out.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on May 24, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
How does a player with 379 career touches “lose his explosiveness as a runner and receiver”? I’m not buying it. I would guess that entire sentence is predicated on the fact that he’s the dreaded three-o. It’s a virtual non-factor when there’s that little mileage on the odometer. Mike Bell, 4.0 career ypc. AP 4.1. Bell’s career high, 4.3 his rookie season in a zone blocking scheme. Peterson’s, 7.3 just this past season. 5.0 the season before that. Yeah, he really seems like a back that’s running out of gas.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
How does a player with 379 career touches "lose his explosiveness as a runner and receiver"? I
He turned 30 as an RB2. That’s quite a concept. He’s not even a Chester Taylor. I’m guessing (not predicting) he won’t be on a roster in 2010, for long anyway. If he’s got so much left to give, he ought to be on somebody’s roster. Guys get paid to evaluate this sort of thing. AP1’s got old man stink all over him.
"I trust everything will turn out all right." - Roger McGuinn
“If he’s got so much left to give, he ought to be on somebody’s roster.”
If he was, I would have never brought him up. I’ll be sure to c&p this same Jack Handey quote beneath your next UFA signing suggestion.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
“He turned 30 as an RB2.”
Generally speaking, is that not more desirable than someone who turned 30 as a RB1? No one’s penciling him in at RB2 even. I said RB3 or 4. There’s no earthly reason he couldn’t fill such a role in our shallow backfield.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Aaron Stecker was 33 last season as a RB3 for the Falcons. He didn’t look all that old stank to me, especially when he ran over ya boy Lunch Pale on the sidelines. ’member dat, dawg?
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
I like the signing
We need the depth.
I don’t see evans losing his job to anything other than injury, though.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on May 24, 2010 4:09 PM CDT reply actions
HAHAHAHAHA!
No way he beats out Heath! He IS an upgrade to the other FBs we picked up after Evans went down but he won’t beat out Heath. We can’t afford to have our TEs going in as FB on 1st and Goal and we sure as heck can’t afford to have Zach Strief filling in @ FB full-time, so the signing makes sense in that regard. (if he can beat out Zak Keasy)
Heath Evans should remain healthy(er) this year as I see Da Saints going with a single back 3 TE formation a helluva lot this year with Shockey, D. Thomas and Graham…
Good Luck Jason! (& Zak!)
J GROW up and get a grown up opinion .
Let’s try it your way kiddo . McKie is a straight out old school fullback . You lost the power back to free agency that could have best used his services . Great backup quality for a power run first oriented team. As a Bear their run game sucked so the only viable quetion to ask is how well did he pick up the blitz ! Ouch sorry I wasn’t suppose to be honest or I’ll be sent to the Banned Woodshed to be switched !! Ya Martz switched because Cutler was blownup all year . Do you see this guy doing anything but getting in Reggie Bush’s way ??? Really . That’s why my simple answer said it all . The Saints may be blocking a competitor . I will say that building through fundimental positions is a way of building for the future .
This is an example of stating an opinion and not childish hug . Your city has a bad enough rep for extra caricular man hugging . Your not helping to dispel the problem .
WOOT! An almost readable post!
Let us begin. Did we lose our power back to free agency…yup, but then again PayLoo felt that his contribution could be replaced by a larger emphasis on Hamilton. Also if you paid attention last year, in the last 6-8 games played, including the playoffs, Bell sat benched and it was actually Pierre who was our short yardage back. A role he did just fine in by the way.
I like the pick up of McKie. We’re never really asking our FB’s to stay in and block, especially in our 3-5 step drop offense. Do i see him getting in the way of Reggie Bush? Absolutely not as we don’t put Reggie in the backfield with a full back…we simply don’t use him that way.
As to the childish hug….really? Hug’s are childish? You really weren’t loved as a child were you. Are you’re seriously phobic about it? If so i can go in for a much more manly “pat on the back” and a “go get em tiger”. You’re very negative…I’m wondering if there’s some hate issues buried deep. There’s nothing wrong with seeking help. I’m not joking here…it’s cool. You can be a man and admit your flaws.

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