Where's Pierre?
My how far we've come from the days when I would constantly lobby for Pierre Thomas to get more touches and more respect among Saints fans. Even then there were still disbelievers. But in the two years since, Pierre has proven that my faith was well placed by becoming one of the most important weapons in the Saints offensive juggernaut. I doubt many fans would argue that now.
It seems Thomas has also had his own change of heart. Two months ago, he told the Times-Pic that his plans were to attend all off-season team activities.
Thomas, however, said he has no plans to skip any team activities this offseason to hold out for an extension.
"I'm going to show up, " he said, "just because that's my attitude and my personality."
Which is why I was more than a little surprised when it was reported yesterday that Pierre has not been taking part in this weeks activities. He's not under contract and participation thus far has only been voluntary so he's not breaking any rules. I just want to know what gives with the about-face.
The Times-Pic suggests that PT may simply not want to risk injury during these not-so-important practices. Some conspiracy theorists point to the recent shooting of his cousin as a possible reason for his absence. I'm not buying either of those however and I think if either of those were the case, we would have heard. More than likely the reason is exactly what we all think it is: contract talks or lack thereof. Pierre's agent has probably decided to turn up the heat on the Saints front office, corrupting our golden boy and using him as a pawn in a pissing match that seems all too common in the NFL these days. But Thomas knows the deal...
"It's a business and it's up to them... it's really not up to me."
No, Pierre, it's not up to you. And that's a shame really; just another reminder of the direction this league appears to be heading. Because Pierre seems like the kind of guy who would be happy to play professional football simply for all-you-can-eat Drago's oysters. Does the Flying Frenchman deserve to be paid much, much more and have the security of a multi-year contract? Abso-freakin'-lutely! Does it have to involve silly hold-out games? I wish it didn't.
So when will Pierre Thomas finally get under contract? More importantly, when will he to return to the field? Will he continue to hold out through mandatory minicamp starting on June 4th or is this just an isolated incident? Perhaps you disagree with my entire theory that his absence from OTA's has been at the suggestion of his agent. Let's talk about it.
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Totally agree
They have seen they got things done with Jahri… so why not us too
To me holding out it is always a losing proposition… you can do it for posture to some extent and only when it really doesnt matter… but i still want to see a guy who’s willing to get fined…. see you next week Pierre…
"Saints don't commit sins, they exorcise demons. The NFL most accurate passer was preaching, and the league MVP watched as the Game MVP delivered an impressive sermon"
I sure as hell wouldn’t show up at work if I wasn’t getting paid for it and I’m not even at risk of getting injured. Well, unless I happen to fall down the stairs or pinch my finger with a clipboard. Regardless, I can’t blame Pierre or anyone other player for not wanting to go the extra mile, until the franchise makes the same commitment to them.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
by coldpizza on May 27, 2010 7:35 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree
don’t like to say it but think front office is not playing this one right at all. This guy has the biggest heart on the team. TIME TO PAY.
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wow, I guess we should maybe praise Brunell and Daniel for not getting that clipboard injury in their years as Saints backup QBs
the position may be more dangerous than any of us suspected…
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by Hans Petersen on May 29, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I’m sure there will be plenty of people wanting Pierre to get his big pay day and make what he is worth. I on the other hand, want to see him playing for as little as possible. It would be nice to have an infinite amount of money, but the way it stands now, every dollar the Saints spend on a raise for Pierre Thomas, or Jahri Evans, or Darren Sharper, is a dollar that we can’t spend elsewhere. I know there is no cap, and it may never be around again, but the front office is still in the business of making money. They still have a budget. And what if the cap does come back next season and the Saints are way over it? So long Reggie. Maybe Devery too. So Pierre, how’s about you take one for the team for one more year?
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
How’s about Reggie donate some of his 8 million to Pierre? You know, being that he’s the highest paid decoy on the team.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
I'd agree with that
I’m all for asking Reggie to restructure his contract.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
by VAsaintsfan on May 27, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Awaiting a change in personality...
I don’t want PT to hold out but I assume he will. I agree with coldpizza…except for the if then statement and the part about the clipboard which totally lost me. =D
How can PT bargain if he shows up before getting what he wants? The NFL doesn’t work on good will, sadly. I’d like to think that Loomis and Payton would take care of PT and avoid nickel and dime-ing him to death. But on the flip side we have a LOT of players who are playing at a high level and all of them probably want more money.
I don’t fault Bush for taking money and I think that he is a cornerstone of the offense. And while I think PT’s importance is hyped up a little by his fan favorite appeal, I do think he earned a higher salary.
Tune in to mike and mike. Theirs an accusation that the superbowl was fixed.
Haha! Screw Dat.
by saints fan in cowboyland! on May 27, 2010 8:39 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
My bad. Talkin bout ny gettin da superbowl.
by saints fan in cowboyland! on May 27, 2010 8:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
And the NFCCG was fixed.
And the AFCCG was fixed.
And the Divisional round was fixed.
And the Wildcard round was fixed.
And the regular season was fixed.
This is all some vast casino-based-conspiracy to destroy the nation with some convoluted plot.
Yes, I am making fun of conspiracy theorists. Was there ever any doubt?
funny thing is, casino (and bookies) don’t care who wins… they make their money on the vig… the difference between what is bet and what is paid out.
They just want the maximum amount of $’s bet, and they use the point spread to balance the betting between the two choices.
"Do not anticipate trouble or worry about what may never happen. Keep in the sunlight. " ~Benjamin Franklin
To be fair
Pierre seems like the kind of guy who would be happy to play professional football simply for all-you-can-eat Drago’s oysters
Charles Grant probably would have done this as well — and that was kind of his problem…
by Billy Gomila on May 27, 2010 9:52 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
LOL
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by Dave Cariello on May 27, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Good observation!
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on May 27, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
It's an OTA for goodness sake.
Will he hold out…no. It’s not mandatory, and it was already reported that he was in Chicago recently because his cousin was shot and he was spending time up in the hospital with him.
These things aren’t mandatory, and generally it’s not a big deal when people don’t show up. it"s just a big deal for the media…cause frankly they have to report on something.
Why hasn't PT told someone that he's not at OTA's because of family issues?
Seems like he’d want to do that instead of having people write this crap about him, no?
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by Dave Cariello on May 27, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Even if he did tell someone
they’d still write this crap. It’s the media….it’s their job to write crap.
it’s their job to write crap.
As long as they’re telling the truth.
[wink & head-bob in Dave’s direction]
…or making anyone look bad.
[glance and point at the person who posted the link to “liable” definition]
"Do not anticipate trouble or worry about what may never happen. Keep in the sunlight. " ~Benjamin Franklin
If he told Payton and Mickey...
I doubt either would volunteer that information to the media, considering Payton’s usual disdain for telling them anything. The article is unclear on if the writer actually asked Mickey about it. As an RB who takes constant punishment, I’d sit out too if I wasn’t required to attend.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on May 27, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
so you both expect him to be at mandatory minicamp?
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by Dave Cariello on May 27, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
we'll see
but yes i would expect him at the mandatory minicamp. If he didn’t show, however, it would hardly alter my opinion of the man. He’s always seemed respectful of the process and the game as a whole, i would expect that to continue regardless of attendance.
it would hardly alter my opinion of the man.
I don’t think anyone should change their opinion of a football player based on the actions of his agent. This has nothing to do with Pierre. As he said…
“It’s a business and it’s up to them… it’s really not up to me.”
It might, however, alter your opinion of the “business” of football.
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by Dave Cariello on May 27, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
My opinion of it is the same as any other business. You get what you pay for. And if you don’t, you make the necessary personnel moves until you do. Same goes for the players. If their contract is up and their performance has exceeded their pay, they deserve more and don’t owe the team jack until they get it. If they’d rather walk for whatever the reason, more power to them. That’s why contracts have expiration dates. Both a team and player’s obligations to one another should never be thought to extend past that black & white deadline.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Agent versus player is semantics, btw. A player has final say in any financial matter. Not that I care who’s steering an unanchored ship. If its remaining docked meant that much to the port, they would have done more to prevent that (potential) departure date from ever arriving.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
I think they'll have a contract agreement in place by then.
I’m thinking PT is now high on Mickey’s priority list and they’ll get a reasonable contract worked out very soon.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on May 27, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
maybe it's a tactic
maybe his agent said hey, don’t say anything about why, let the Saints think you are holding out for contract reasons. Then you are not lying, just not volunteering information.
was the king report about a long term deal true?
let’s recap.. they offered him.. what was it? 1.7 & 2nd round compensation.. right? nobody called him for a visit.. he stayed positive, signed the injury clause & came in for workouts.. peter king spreads the rumor that he will get a good long deal..
now for the speculative part:
his hopes go up.. the rookie mini-camp takes place.. there are a couple of good RB prospects.. also, PJ is back.. saints pondering staying just where they were 2 months ago.. no multi-year deal.. take it or leave it.. agent tells pierre.. u’r crazy if u show up for otas.. force your hand..
by the 9th plague on May 27, 2010 11:06 AM CDT reply actions
Saints won't play Hard Ball
w/ Pierre, but Reggie is another story. PT’s our main RB and the Saints know it. The Nat’ media wants the Reggie hold out story, not the PT story. I predict PT’s deal wil be 4-5 yr. sort . OTA’s are friggin walk through’s for vet’s, its the rookies and invitees’ that work their butts off.
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.
how long have you had Brian up as your avatar/profile pic?
We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW
by Hans Petersen on May 29, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, bin bizzie
many thoughts, but it was Easter. I know.
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.
Easter - very fitting...
We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW
by Hans Petersen on May 30, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Just saw this on PT's Twitter
God works in mysterious ways. I saw a lil girl and her mother out front McD’s and the lil girl was hungry so I bought her a happy meal
Even if he’s holding out for more money, at least we know he knows how to spend it. He’s not afraid to give back.
Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!
Wish he would have seen me the last time I was standing outside Brennen's!
Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!
I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.
by Just 'Nother Day on May 27, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
were you the one ringing the bell
and standing next to the red bucket?
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Free Agent
Though restricted, he’s still a free agent. Until he signs his tender or gets a contract, nothing is “mandatory” for PT. It’s now, just a matter of who blinks first. Apparently there is a pretty big gap between offer and expectation. Who knows If there’s even been an offer. Fat chance we’ll get any insight from the Payloo till it’s over.

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