Approval Rating: Grading the Saints Off-Season
Two months ago this was looking like the most boring off-season ever. But with the draft, some recent signings and a vicodin scandal hanging overhead, things have picked up - for better or worse - in the excitement department.
I figure now is as good a time as any to take the temperature of Who Dat Nation and see how everyone out there is feeling about the job the organization has done so far this off-season? So please cast your vote in our poll below and give the team a grade thus far.
Perhaps you think the Saints have made all the right moves to make a run at another championship. Or maybe they still need to lock up a few players before you can officially give them a passing grade. It could be that the draft has left a bad taste in your mouth. Whatever you're thoughts are, now is the time to let them be heard. Elaborating and further discussion is highly encouraged in the comment section.
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Good off-season so far but
I would feel better about it if they would hurry up and lock in a veteran OLB. I’m sure they have a plan for landing such a player but I’ll feel better when it happens.
This is OUR year!! Yea, I said it. Who Dat!!!
if the only player we end up losing is fujita
then we got off easy, while adding a few players and trimming some fat. signing jahri was huge, esp since his contract is very front loaded and will help us out against the cap in the future (assuming there is a cap after this year)
AMBUSH!!
by DrewBreesManCrush on May 6, 2010 6:55 AM CDT reply actions
all we need now
is to sign pt to a long term deal to bump that B+ up to a A. also signing brees to a huge deal would be pretty sweet, he deserves it more than anyone else
are you a bad fish too?
C
Like Big and Easy, the OLB situation continues to unnerve me. Signing Pierre Thomas to long term contract should be priority one, though. I’d also like to see an upgrade at SLB, a veteran RB of the “bigger” variety and a younger veteran backup QB with at least a hint of starting experience. Jammal Brown still appears to be our biggest bargaining chip in the “let’s get better quick” market. Whether they’re able or willing to act upon that opportunity remains to be seen. Still would love to see a true franchise LT, but that’s obviously not happening anytime soon. Both Roman Harper and Lance Moore can ride out their one year tenders, as far as I’m concerned. I don’t view either as anything special. All in all, they’ve managed to tread water, which is fine, as long as we’re remaining competitive in a league built on parity.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
A- (for sticking to what they said they would do)
Williams is calling the shots and he decided he needed to upgrade the line and the secondary…
I know there are strong feelings on the need to upgrade at OLB… they had the chance to draft one and passed, there are a couple of experienced guys out there and they only viewed the JAX guy who left without a contract.. they said all along they are cool with the guys in the building…. or maybe they are waiting for someone to be released… time will tell
They replaced Grant with two studs (Brown and Wilkerson)…. loved it… and the draft was a good example of a team not only in “win now” mode, although I wouldnt be surprised if Brown and Woods get a crack at the starting lineup (I am assuming P-Rob will see a ton of action anyway)
Get a veteran QB and that’s an A for me
"Saints don't commit sins, they exorcise demons. The NFL most accurate passer was preaching, and the league MVP watched as the Game MVP delivered an impressive sermon"
Do you honestly view Alex Brown and Jimmy Wilkerson as “studs”?
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad they addressed the position with the best available players.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
I think Brown he is... Wilkerson is a reliable guy
We lost Cheeseburger and got two guys both upgrades. Maybe “stud” is over the top, i give it to you, but I like the trade
"Saints don't commit sins, they exorcise demons. The NFL most accurate passer was preaching, and the league MVP watched as the Game MVP delivered an impressive sermon"
Good point.
I don’t. I view them as dependable, everyday DEs that are going to give you good effort, 5-6 sacks, and play hard. That’s what they were for their former teams, I expect nothing more than what they were already doing. I DO think their presence will free up Will Smith a little more. Charles Grant wasn’t a threat to anyone, and the teams we played treated him as such.
C- at Best
The LB situation was shaky even with Fujita in place. Losing him hurts our weakest area and he was a great guy for the city and the locker room. We have one good linebacker and a few HUGE question marks. Although I like Robinson, a LB or DT made more sense to me. I’ll give em a pass on the DT since we got what I think will be an eventual starter in Woods, but to not draft a LB at all makes no sense to me. I would move this grade to a strong B once a veteran LB is signed. Alex Woods is great acquisition. Need to get Thomas and Harper deals and deal Jammal Brown for an A!
How can people continue to harp on the LB position when they know nothing about Arnoux?
"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fugita take on Payton Manning
by jeremysherwin on May 6, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Ha!
It’s true. That’s exactly why we question…because we know NOTHING. That’s scary.
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by Dave Cariello on May 6, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Socrates The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing
So nice to know that our beloved organization follows the thoughts and views of one of history’s greatest thinkers.
The sum of nothing is something
"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fugita's take on Payton Manning SB44
by jeremysherwin on May 7, 2010 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Just because we do not know something doesn't mean it is an issue for the team
"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fugita take on Payton Manning
by jeremysherwin on May 6, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
a 4th round “rookie” thats never stepped on an nfl field is not gonna make people sleep well at night
I see what you got...Lets rock - Al Bundy
by knucklesmalone on May 6, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
@ Knucklesmalone
A few years ago no one lost sleep over a 7th round wide receiver from Hofstra that was the 4th from last person taken in the draft. The PayLoo team have proven that they can find talent in any round, but why no LB. Woods was good he’s just raw. If he had another year he would have been a 2nd rounder.
“The PayLoo team have proven that they can find talent in any round, but why no LB.”
Ok seriously, all you’re doing is supporting the doubt. They have yet to draft an impact LB. TRUE. They’ve also proven that they can FAIL to find talent in any round. TRUE. Pretty sure that brings us back to wait and see.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
he pre-replied before he even hit "post" on his original comment
We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW
by Hans Petersen on May 6, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
He's the fastest commenter in the west
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by Dave Cariello on May 6, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
With my limited knowledge of the players we haven’t seen much…
…not grading on what we did last year…
…not grading on what might be done before the start of the season…
I’m not sure how they get higher than a B-.
Our biggest need was not filled through Free Agency, trades, or even the draft.
We brought in a few veteran guys who have a good chance of being productive, we’ve drafted a few rookies who have a chance to be productive in the coming years (not necessarily this one), and we’ve resigned some key people. That gets you some points.
But, until they do something about OLB, resign PT and a few others, sign a veteran QB with at least a hint of winning experience, there’s no way to give them more than a B-.
Again, that is with the limited knowledge that we have about the players (OLB esp) that we have not seen much of.
I PayLoo We Trust! …you gotta trust ‘em because they’re not gonna give you (or the other teams) any indication of what they’re thinking/doing behind he scenes.
"I still think we're a team of destiny. Destiny is more powerful than a curse. Whatever is meant to be will happen. Faith." - Drew Brees
"B"
Seems to be the general consensus, and I’m on board with that too. It would be an “A” for me, except for the loss of Fujita. He got a deal he couldn’t refuse from Cleveland, and I’m happy for him. I think the leadership in the locker room and his activity in the community is what I’ll miss most from him.
I’m among those disappointed that we didn’t improve the LB position through the draft, but if they (GW, Loomis, etc.) say they like the guys in the building, I’m going to go with that. I wasn’t a huge fan on how the Sharper situation was dragged out, but we resigned him, which seemed to be what our intent was all along. No big splashes through the draft, which is tough to do when you’re picking last, but that’s fine with me.
Some core players still need to be re-signed, and the backup QB situation needs to be addressed. Nothing major was done, but you have to admit (apart from LB) we didn’t really need anything major either.
Incomplete
The Saints have kept most of their key players (Pierre Thomas remains unsigned). They’ve added free agents and draftees to plug potential holes (outside linebacker? obviously Payton and Williams don’t consider that a very high priority…and I’m inclined to trust their judgment over mine).
But the Vicodin scandal has not played itself out. It will either turn out to be a blip in the continuum, or it will tear the team apart. Until we find out how this turns out, how can you assess the importance of anything else?
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I'm not too concerned with LB
Management knew what the situation was there and they’ve proven over 4 years they know what they’re doing. We had two guys that were drafted last year that were out for the season that they must be impressed with, its like adding 2 picks to this years draft and they have a year of limited experience already. It will probably come down to us signing a veteran that gets cut in training camp and using what we already have
C
Still too much unfinished business, LB and RB are the 2 most worrisome positions, but not locking up Pierre Thomas. Drew Brees, and a couple others to long-term deals is scary. With the uncapped year, now would be a great time to get those deals done. And the Jammal Brown situation is still unresolved. With a huge bullseye on their back right now, I am not confident that they will maintain the same level of success they experienced last year.
"Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake." -- Napoleon Bonaparte
“With a huge bullseye on their back right now, I am not confident that they will maintain the same level of success they experienced last year.”
Don’t forget a 1st place schedule, as opposed to last year’s 4th place schedule. Not that that makes a huge difference over the course of an entire season, but Minnesota and Dallas are definitely more formidable opponents than Detroit and St. Louis.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
A-
Things are going well so far. They identified that parts of their defense need to be addressed. We were passed on alot last year because teams were always playing catchup. By adding another 1st round corner is a great way to approach this problem. The new Longsnapper we obtained was a great addition, along with adding Al Woods to our depth chart.
I know a lot of people wanted to address the LB position, but we do not even know what our Wake Forrest Rookies can do.
We recently signed D. Sharp to a more than Fair contract. In addition to locking up Jari Evans for the next 7 years.
Best guard for the next 7 years + best FS in the league= pretty good business.
Pierre Thomas, and Lance Moore will get contracts soon. Wheras Benson would rather the Dome to burn then not get Drew Brees on a longer term contract
"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fugita take on Payton Manning
I'd give them a "B"
So far this offseason. They have done a fairly good job in addressing needs and have done a very good job in protecting exsisting players on both the offensive and defensive sides of the ball, allowing them to keep the championship winning team intact. We’ll have to see what happens with regards to the LB spot.
"The Saints made the right decision signing Drew Brees-not just in terms of his arm, but because of his heart and mind." - Marshall Faulk
Honestly
I am not knowledgable enough to give a grade but I look forward to this next season, learning more and also proving I’m not a bandwagon fan.
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious." - Vince Lombardi
by SarahT on May 6, 2010 5:31 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
and also proving I’m not a bandwagon fan.
I’m glad you’ve popped in from time to time during the off-season. That’s a good start.
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by Dave Cariello on May 6, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I read it everyday
but I don’t post all that often because most of what I have to say isn’t going to be a worthwhile contribution to the conversation :) LOVE this site!
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious." - Vince Lombardi
DAMN YOU WOMAN!!!!
We need people like you. When CP and others start showing their smarts and “big brain” stuff and actually make us smarter it seems to leave me out in the cold. I need fellow “dumb, happy and loyal” fans to also post their random stuff. It can’t be JND and I all alone. Grab a cheap Natty Light, scratch your belly (I’m sure you don’t have one) and sit back and don’t be skeered to chime in. Remember anything you say is worthwhile, you are a fan with all of us.
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"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious." - Vince Lombardi
B
I think they still need a big run stopper in the middle and a short yardage back that can pound the ball.
Bear
voted C
PT must get a raise in pay. Agree OLB was their most glaring weakness on D. Like the 7Th pick. Would like to see Jeff Garcia in a Saints uniform as a back up to Drew.
What wonderful little gifts April Fools Day brings.
~D's Pappy
From what little I've heard about Garcia
is that he still thinks he can start, and doesn’t want to go anywhere unless he has a shot to do so. Also heard he can also be “disruptive” in the locker room when he’s not the starter. Still, I agree that he’s probably still got something left in the tank.
woops
Thought they didn’t Do the right thing as far as OLB. Give PT a raise. Sign Jeff Garcia as Drew’s backup. Damn I otta be a manager.
What wonderful little gifts April Fools Day brings.
~D's Pappy
Or manage otters. Either way, you clearly have a gift.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
but can he float on his back?
I’m an independently wealthy methamphetamine enthusiast with a vivid imagination - Stujo4
Denis Leary:
We only want to save the cute animals, don’t we? Yeah. Why don’t we just have animal auditions. Line ’em up one by one and interview them individually.
“What are you?”
“I’m an otter.”
“And what do you do?”
“I swim around on my back and do cute little human things with my hands.”
“You’re free to go. And what are you?”
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“Get in the f*** ing truck, ok pal!”
“But I’m an animal.”
“You’re a baseball glove! Get on that truck!”
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
i gave them a C
i’m still not liking the way we drafted. I think that we should have already addressed the OLB spot if we end up doing that this year. Otherwise(depending on Arnoux’s season-the likely starter there?) i’ll have to see how he does. I would’ve given this an A if we could’ve kept Fujita but we only lost 1 big cog to our many wheels. The draft leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. We spent a 1st round pick on a corner. That gives us Porter and Greer who started last season and will mostly likely keep their spots, Jenkins who was our first round pick last year and now Robinson who’s our first round pick this year. When we already have two starting CBs and a talented nickel back why do we waste this pick with a CB when we could’ve gotten an OLB or DE(how long can Smith produce and can Brown excell here). Could’ve used that pick on a DT too although I believe that Woods(with the limited times i have watched an LSU game) can come in and win the starting job beside Ellis but we didn’t know who we could get in the later rounds. I’m just disapointed but we did sign some players to contract extensions and still have a legitimate shot at a repeat so I couldn’t be any worse than a C.
Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!
I don't know so I did a B
I rarely get caught up in our rookies as we have shown to make them GREAT and TERRIBLE…not every rookie of ours has panned out
We seem to have gotten a good class but who knows
Alex Brown came cheap which worries me that others know something we don’t about him

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