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Saints Trade Jammal Brown to Washington Redskins

The Saints have traded Jammal Brown to the Washington Redskins today for a conditional 2011 draft pick, either third or fourth round, dependent on the performance of new Skins quarterback, Donavan McNabb. The deal could also possibly score the Saints a 2012 draft pick dependent on Brown's performance. 

Surprisingly, it was our very own Jeff Duncan who appears to have been the first on the scene with this speculative tweet. Score one for the local reporters!

 I'm hearing there might be some legs to the Jammal Brown-to-the-Redskins deal. Working it as we speak    

More details after the jump...

Star-divide

But it's ESPN's Adam Schefter that has the nitty gritty details about what the Saints will receive as compensation. I will let them explain...

The Saints' compensation in the deal is tied to the Redskins' trade with the Eagles for quarterback Donovan McNabb.

According to a league source, Washington owes the Eagles a third- or fourth-round pick in 2011 for McNabb, based on how the quarterback plays or the team performs. If the Redskins win nine games, or go to the playoffs, or McNabb gets selected to the Pro Bowl, then Philadelphia will receive Washington's third-round pick and New Orleans will get Washington's fourth. If none of those happen, then the Eagles will get the Redskins' fourth-round pick and the Saints will get the Redskins' third-round pick.

If New Orleans receives Washington's fourth-round pick, then the Redskins will get a sixth- or seventh-round pick back from the Saints. However, if Washington's fourth-round pick goes to Philadelphia, then the Redskins get fifth-round pick from the Saints.

There is also a conditional 2012 sixth-round pick involved. Should Brown play 90 percent of the plays next season or get voted to the Pro Bowl, then Washington will send its 2012 sixth-round pick to New Orleans. After Saturday's trade, Washington has six picks left in the 2011 draft.

Fans have been speculating for weeks about the future of Brown, who is now expendable thanks to Jermon Bushrod's rise last year and the drafting of 2nd round pick, Charles Brown. I'm definitely in favor of this move. It was apparent Jammal Brown was unhappy and did not want to be in New Orleans anymore. At least the Saints were able to get some value out of him, though it's arguable whether they received enough given how valuable the OT position can be. 

Poll
Was this a good move for the Saints?
Absolutely. Great value.
80 votes
No way. The Saints got hosed!
500 votes
About what I would have expected.
243 votes

823 votes | Poll has closed

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In one sense I'm glad he's out, too (as it was getting ugly)

But that seems like very low compensation for the Saints…

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on Jun 19, 2010 5:06 PM CDT reply actions  

thanks for reminding me - skipped right over it...

I do consider myself a full participant…where’s the hamburger option

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by Hans Petersen on Jun 19, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

just added it

you didn’t miss it.

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by Dave Cariello on Jun 19, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

gotcha

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by Hans Petersen on Jun 19, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking we should've got higher pick compensation

2nd or 3rd rounders seem fairer to me. I know there has to be question about Brown’s ability after not playing last year, but he was worth more than a 3rd or 4th round pick . I guess this just confirms my previous belief that Pay-Loo knew Brown really, really wanted out of NOLA and had no intention of playing for the Saints this year. Oh well, I still wish you luck Jammal. I know you were pissed about being put on IR last year when you were expected to be healthy by December. At least, go accept your SB ring. Or, give it to me. I’ll gladly take care of it for you.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Jun 19, 2010 5:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Not for a player that missed all of last year with injuries

"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams

by DrWhoDat on Jun 19, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good left tackles are very hard to find

Brown has been healthy since December, so both teams must know he’s good to go for training camp. I’ve heard no reports saying he’s had a set back. Prior to last season, he was a two-time Pro Bowler. Although I don’t think he really deserved that second Pro Bowl appearance, I still think he was worth more than what we got for him today.

Oh well, Pay-Loo knows way more about this than I do, so I’ll trust their decision. The last time I doubted them was when they drafted Morstead. I’ve since learned my lesson.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Jun 19, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

FIRST TO VOTE!!!

I chose “no way” but my true feelings lie somewhere in between the first two choices

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on Jun 19, 2010 5:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd label those feelings as represented better by this turn of phrase...

“Whaaaaa? I thought we could have gotten more for him, but I guess they REALLY wanted him gone. But he is coming off a season-missing injury and has suffered some “ding” injuries during his career."

Come on, everyone – join me on the fence!!

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on Jun 19, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he is a good player...

but was turning into a distraction. I also think the Saints management did the right thing. If a player doesn’t want to be here, get rid of him before he becomes a festering wound. A gangrenous puss oozing sore that explodes in the locker room.

"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams

by DrWhoDat on Jun 19, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

A gangrenous puss oozing sore that explodes in the locker room.

How do you know what his sports hernia looked like? Ha!

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on Jun 19, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ancient Chinese secret

"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams

by DrWhoDat on Jun 19, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

hey, that sounds familiar... :-)

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on Jun 19, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

and you are a doctor, after all - maybe you operated on him

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on Jun 19, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

at least we got something for him

unlike another first round pick that we simply cut

by jful on Jun 19, 2010 5:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Which one? We have a lot to choose from

Jon Sullivan? Russell Erxleben? Vaughan Dunbar?

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on Jun 19, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

i haven't thought of ole vaughn dunbar in a long time

i bet his blocker had bruises on their backs from where he would run into them.

by r c a on Jun 19, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha!

I was just thinking the same thing. That guy was like one of those toy cars that you would roll backwards to wind up then let it crash into what ever was righ in front of it.

"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010

by SaintBevo on Jun 20, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

i was thinking of charles grant

but there are a lot of other options we could go with too. i think they were ready to cut jammal brown, and i’m going to convince myself of that so this trade seems like a better deal than it actually probably is.

by jful on Jun 20, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Haslett connection

I’ll bet Jim was lobbying hard for this trade, since he’s the one who drafted Brown back in 2005. ESPN is reporting that Brown will start at right tackle, at which position some tend to think he performs better. He played RT in college, didn’t he?

This really helps the Skins and McNabb. It’s very possible they win their division this year. The rest of the NFC East don’t look all that impressive to me. I refuse to buy into the Cowboys hype.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Jun 19, 2010 5:31 PM CDT reply actions  

He could be an all-pro RT

I always thought that was where he was best suited.

"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010

by SaintBevo on Jun 20, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Voted No Way as I thought he would be worth more,

But then again, I can only trust the Saints front office in understanding his mindset and what sort of effect he might have had on the team this season had he stayed around. Who knows…maybe we will get a diamond in the rough with that mid-round draft pick.

"The Saints made the right decision signing Drew Brees-not just in terms of his arm, but because of his heart and mind." - Marshall Faulk

by SaintsFanMD on Jun 19, 2010 5:33 PM CDT reply actions  

EXACTLY!

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on Jun 19, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

TRADE

Well in addition to being uncerimonious, it was completely unsexy and the “this for that or this” language adds to the quagmire. Did we get hosed…no, but i dont like him going to a team we may have to play later.

by jray2000 on Jun 19, 2010 5:36 PM CDT reply actions  

i think we should've gotten a lil something more.

maybe a defensive lineman or LB prospect that couldve been good. i think we still could’ve waited a lil more possibly to get more. i agree that a 2nd or 3rd conditional pick would’ve been better. 6th rounders just don’t add much for me because there aren’t may Colstons or Tom Bradys out there.

Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!

by skinnykinney on Jun 19, 2010 5:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Morsteads?

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on Jun 19, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

kickers/punters are always later round picks

and we already have both a punter and kicker that are good. What i’m trying to say is that they are usually depth only picks and people that you hope might shine in camp but would be a “diamond in the rough” as so many have called Colston. Also, “diamonds in the rough” don’t happen all that often.

To add to my first comment…Why are we giving back a pick for him? It should be a 3rd or 4th straight up at least instead of switching. Doest that mean that he’s worth a 5th/6th round pick straight up? Seems like we sorta gave him away to move one of our draft pick spots up 1 round.

Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!

by skinnykinney on Jun 19, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree about the 5/6 pick - WTF???

And I meant for Morstead to be added to your list of “not many out there” as a continuation, not a refutation. I shouldn’t have put the question mark there.

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on Jun 19, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really don't like this trade

We had all of the leverage over Jammal Brown, despite his grumblings. There is no way he is crazy enough to think that 1.) not playing for a year due to injury followed by 2.)sitting out for a year over a contract dispute would land him a good deal on another team. Good deals don’t go to players who don’t see the field for two straight years. He may not have liked it, but he would have played for us for a year, and he would have played with the gusto of a guy setting the price for his next contract.

Bushrod got the job done last year, but he needed a lot of help. Charles Brown, though he has a lot of potential, is still a rookie, and an unknown NFL quantity.

For all his antics, there is a good chance that Jammal Brown was the best left tackle on our team for this year, and years that the Saints are Superbowl contenders are few and far between. Odds are this deal ultimately earns us only a 4th rounder (I suspect McNabb is in very good position for a Pro Bowl berth, considering that QB subs in the Probowl dip down pretty far now-a-days (see: David Garrard, Probowl 2010)). Add to that we will also lose a 6th rounder and this just doesn’t feel like a great deal.

by TheBobLoblawBlog on Jun 19, 2010 6:07 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

boom rec'd it

Half my brain has gone away
I'm down but it won't last long

by stujo4 on Jun 19, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm never comfortable with a deal that depends on so many variables ~

If this team wins nine games. . .
If this player goes to the Pro Bowl. . .
If the Skins go to the playoffs. . .
If the oil spill suddenly stops. . .

We won’t know the price of this deal until the end of the coming season. It’s like running in place on a trampoline.

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on Jun 19, 2010 6:10 PM CDT reply actions  

good analogy. JND! As always, you sign in and drop a pearl of clever wisdom with a chuckle at the end

(not that the oil gusher is a laughing matter…)

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on Jun 19, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Regardless of the scnerios… the BEST possible outcome is that

we get a 3rd and a 6th, while giving up (yes GIVING UP) a 5th…

WTH!#??

"Do not anticipate trouble or worry about what may never happen. Keep in the sunlight. " ~Benjamin Franklin

by Dan Kelly on Jun 19, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

neato! I don’t knwo how I did it but… that’s new…

testing 123

"Do not anticipate trouble or worry about what may never happen. Keep in the sunlight. " ~Benjamin Franklin

by Dan Kelly on Jun 19, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

sweet… I found a hidden formatting command.

"Do not anticipate trouble or worry about what may never happen. Keep in the sunlight. " ~Benjamin Franklin

by Dan Kelly on Jun 19, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

With ya JND

depending on McNabb’s performance? He might be headed to the graveyard of Almost Champions. New Team, Coach, OL, plus same Bad Owner. Name a pick straight up.

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Jun 20, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

@eye roll@

I’m an independently wealthy methamphetamine enthusiast with a vivid imagination - Stujo4

by maybetoday on Jun 20, 2010 3:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

damn, tried the new thing and it didnt work.

disregard my eye roll

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by maybetoday on Jun 20, 2010 3:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it only works in the body of comments and not the headline @like this@

like this

I got the hang of it now!

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on Jun 20, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

there ya go!

"Do not anticipate trouble or worry about what may never happen. Keep in the sunlight. " ~Benjamin Franklin

by Dan Kelly on Jun 20, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's now official - the 2005 draft class is dead to us

JB was the last of the 2005 draft picks (Haslett’s final draft) on our roster

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on Jun 19, 2010 6:38 PM CDT reply actions  

My favorite part of Schefter's story is this (aside from the convoluted compensation strands)
Brown, a 2005 first-round pick, has only one year remaining on his contract.

Um, that’s because it was a one-year deal that’s barely 24 hours old. It started as a one-year deal, and it will end as a one-year deal.

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on Jun 19, 2010 7:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Almost

I was almost OK with this trade, until I read the part about us giving a pick back to them!!

by slumD on Jun 19, 2010 7:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Bingo!

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on Jun 19, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

So you'd rather...

stay at 5 and not get an EXTRA 3 and 6 and keep a guy who wanted so bad not to be part of this team that he didn’t even show up to the ring ceremony? How much would you pay for a former Pro-Bowl LT that hadn’t played ball in over a year, hadn’t shown up to camp to prove he was healthy, was (and is) a tad bit overrated, has a history of knee issues, publicly asked for a trade or release if the shoe were on the other foot?

I’m sure PayLoo got the best deal they could for him while saving us money and headaches. I’m not saying the FO is infallible, but what more does the FO have to do to prove that they are capable of handling all aspects of this team?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qais_eGMnWk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39GH-nzrY_I&feature=relatde

by tlsk1066 on Jun 19, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

". . . what more does the FO have to do to prove that they are capable of handling all aspects of this team?"

Win a Super Bowl. Heeeeeeey, wait a minute. . . . . . .

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on Jun 19, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

FTW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qais_eGMnWk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39GH-nzrY_I&feature=relatde

by tlsk1066 on Jun 19, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather

us get two picks for Brown and not give up a pick. But, I agree that Payloo probably got the best deal possible.
I am just being greedy!

by slumD on Jun 19, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

My post over at Hogs Heaven made the front page!

My first post on a front page….I’m almost famous.

"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams

by DrWhoDat on Jun 19, 2010 8:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Congrats! I went over there and rec'd it for ya'.

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on Jun 19, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

You are the Man!

"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams

by DrWhoDat on Jun 19, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Watch out. We're on Candid Camera

Has everyone seen this SB Nation page? It’s kinda cool. They’re giving everyone the skinny in one single place on how Saints fans and Skins fans on SB Nation feel about the big NFL news of the day. They’ve even got a report from our fearless leader:

SB Nation’s Canal Street Chronicles has taken a look at the trade that sends OT Jammal Brown to the Redskins. Our editor over at CSC agrees with the move.

    “Fans have been speculating for weeks about the future of Brown, who is now expendable thanks to Jermon Bushrod’s rise last year and the drafting of 2nd round pick, Charles Brown. I’m definitely in favor of this move. It was apparent Jammal Brown was unhappy and did not want to be in New Orleans anymore. At least the Saints were able to get some value out of him, though it’s arguable whether they received enough given how valuable the OT position can be.”

But Saints fans do not, apparently. The poll results are still early, but it appears most feel that the Saints got “hosed.”

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Jun 19, 2010 8:56 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the Saints could have “strong armed” the Bills or similar team for more in return.

by pma on Jun 19, 2010 9:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Weak

He’s one year removed from the Pro Bowl. Injury or not, we could have gotten a better deal for him.

"There are those that make it happen, those that watch it happen, and those that stand around and wonder what the hell happened." -- Drew Brees

by J of the F on Jun 19, 2010 9:24 PM CDT reply actions  

on paper maybe he's worth more.. but in reality..

if he was worth more than that, some team would have signed him while he was still “restricted”.. the saints had to do this.. if you wait for training camp and that hip ain’t moving, he becomes untradable and he walks next season..

by the 9th plague on Jun 19, 2010 9:48 PM CDT reply actions  

when he was “restricted” they would have had to give up a first AND third round pick to get him.

they went from wanting a 1 and a 3, to accepting a deal where we’ll likely get a 4 and a 6 and have to GIVE THEM a 5.

"Do not anticipate trouble or worry about what may never happen. Keep in the sunlight. " ~Benjamin Franklin

by Dan Kelly on Jun 19, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually that’s misleading…

the most likely scenario is we get a 4 and give them a 5, ie. trade up one round from 5 to 4.

(Those two are tied together in the conditions.)

And we might also get a 6 out of the deal as well.

That’s garbage fellas.

The ONLY way I could see this being good, is if they were actually going to outright CUT him, but that would have cost us more money than trading him away for throwaway pics.

"Do not anticipate trouble or worry about what may never happen. Keep in the sunlight. " ~Benjamin Franklin

by Dan Kelly on Jun 19, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

"No way. The Saints got hosed!"

You guys kill me. Jammal Brown is a 1999 Ford Mustang with 117,000 miles and the clear coat finish starting to crack off and the Check Engine light coming on when you floor it on the I-10 on ramp. You’d better get what you can for it right now, because it’s going to be worth nothing in a year and cause you a lot of problems in the mean time. How can you rationally ask $12,000 for it and claim that it is “rare” and “cherry”?? Only because it’s yours, that’s how.

I think PayLoo got market value for him. Name the last time they got taken in a trade. I don’t think it’s happened yet.

It's no New Year's resolution
It's more than that

by stujo4 on Jun 19, 2010 10:30 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Oops. Forgot about Jason David. Ouch.

It's no New Year's resolution
It's more than that

by stujo4 on Jun 19, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

JD wasn't a trade - RFA acquisition (poached from roster of SB-winning Colts)

not that your point about talent evaluation and worthiness isn’t valid

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on Jun 19, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

vinification thanks, hans

It's no New Year's resolution
It's more than that

by stujo4 on Jun 20, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Love the "Mustang" analogy

Just like the way Forrest Gump’s mom had a way of explaining things so he could understand them, Stu’s analogies sometimes help me too. Not sure I totally agree, though. I’d describe Brown as something closer to a 2004 Mustang with 80k miles that just had its transmission overhauled. I think he’s good for at least another 40k miles. Then, like with most Fords, he’ll spontaneously combust at a redlight and your insurance won’t cover the loss. He’s got at least two more good seasons left.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Jun 20, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jammal, your Delta Tau Chi name…is Pinto.

It was worth the wait.

by MtnExile on Jun 20, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

thank you sir!

may I have another? (oops – different scene)

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on Jun 20, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

duncan tweet

jeffduncantp
  

#Saints clearly were ready to move on w/o Brown so a possible 3rd rounder isn’t bad compensation. Great deal for Skins.

It's no New Year's resolution
It's more than that

by stujo4 on Jun 19, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good analogy

I tend to agree with the ‘fair market value’ term. But, it makes me wonder what changes, if any, the team will make along the line. Truthfully, Bushrod needed a lot of help last season with the TE chipping on the DE he was facing. Would he be better at RT if C Brown proves he can handle the LT position? Would C Brown be an upgrade over Stinch at RT? Possibilities abound.

GEAUX S88S!! Konichiwa!!

by s88fan on Jun 19, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our best running last year was to the right

Not sure if Brown could improve our run game on that side.

"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams

by DrWhoDat on Jun 19, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Understood

But, you know the team is always looking to upgrade at all positions. Happens every year. I’m just wondering if they’re going to tinker with the line. Guess we’ll find out in a month and a half. Can’t wait!!

GEAUX S88S!! Konichiwa!!

by s88fan on Jun 19, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

@123test@

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Jun 20, 2010 12:59 AM CDT reply actions  

I don’t think it works in the subject line.

here yes

"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams

by DrWhoDat on Jun 20, 2010 2:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do they still teach Math these days....?

What is worth more getting a 3/4 rounder today or getting nothing next year when he walks away…

Seriously… GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES this is a good deal…

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by bondcrash on Jun 20, 2010 2:36 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

good point

trying out the new font

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by maybetoday on Jun 20, 2010 3:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

@boom@rec’d it

It's no New Year's resolution
It's more than that

by stujo4 on Jun 20, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

fistbumpexplosion rec’d it

It's no New Year's resolution
It's more than that

by stujo4 on Jun 20, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

overexposed, commercialized handle me with care

It's no New Year's resolution
It's more than that

by stujo4 on Jun 20, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

BOOM-ZINGA!

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on Jun 20, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

This has become the "sarcasm font" thread

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Jun 20, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

you're welcome

"Do not anticipate trouble or worry about what may never happen. Keep in the sunlight. " ~Benjamin Franklin

by Dan Kelly on Jun 20, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wilburys FTW!!!1!!!one!!!

I’m only typing this cos it's cool

by MarcusR on Jun 21, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

All depends how it plays out, in my opinion

If we get a 3rd rounder, I think it’s a good deal. If a 4th, not so much. Most teams are getting more and more stingy with their draft picks (unless it’s a high first round pick, which no one seems to want these days because of the price tag attached), so it’s likely the best deal they could get, especially with the injury history. I also seriously doubt Brown will look as good on that line post injury as he did on ours before he got hurt.

I feel like the Redskins might be getting over hyped a bit. The upgrades at QB and coach are obvious, but the team had (and has) other problems. Despite my complete hatred of the Cowboys, they’re still loaded with talent. If the Giants can manage to stay vaguely healthy, they should bounce back more than a little from last season. As inconsistent as they are, the Eagles aren’t going to be easy to beat. The Redskins have an uphill battle in front of them, and even if they’re more equipped to deal with it than they were last season, I’ll remain dubious.

by Jimbo03 on Jun 20, 2010 3:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Jamal Brown had his good games, but he had his bad ones too. The problem I had with Brown is the constant mistakes he made in penalties. Holding and False Start. I can remember key drives in 07 and 08 where he was called for holding and it hurt us in those games.

Jahri and Bushrod rarely ever got called for holding

by Jricky70 on Jun 20, 2010 11:25 AM CDT reply actions  

meh - about what I expected

There was no way we were going to keep this guy, we had to get something. Getting a 3/4 is about right. He’s coming off of an injury and was always a little over-rated as a LT (He was a pro-bowler two years ago, but that was basically by default.). I think he could be a very good RT, so if the skins move him there, it could look like a rip-off but I doubt he would’ve moved to RT for us.

Bushrod played pretty well for us, but did need some help. I’m betting they plan on Charles Brown being their LT in the next year or two, but Bushrod is servicable until he then.

"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010

by SaintBevo on Jun 20, 2010 11:48 AM CDT reply actions  

OK, I gotta try the sarcasm font too.

Dave is totally cool

"Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake." -- Napoleon Bonaparte

by Cajun in CA on Jun 20, 2010 12:41 PM CDT reply actions  

uh oh

It's no New Year's resolution
It's more than that

by stujo4 on Jun 20, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Funny

I already pulled that joke using Stu

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by Dave Cariello on Jun 20, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

sorry

I thought I was being funny…. lol I saw yours about Stu earlier.

"Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake." -- Napoleon Bonaparte

by Cajun in CA on Jun 20, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

You were. Get it?

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

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by Just 'Nother Day on Jun 20, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

The deal shows that there was something behind the scenes

that we don’t know about

What we gave up and got was an absolute JOKE and I am not sure anyone could find a single GM that would give us the edge in this deal

My god did we just give the Skins a christmas present.

I hope to hell that either he was screaming/yelling behind the scenes or something….b/c wow did we get hosed

by Alious on Jun 20, 2010 4:42 PM CDT reply actions  

You should have faxed Mickey all the competing offers for Brown that you seem to think are out there.

We can rest assured that the Saints got the best deal they could for Brown, with the efforts going back to at least March or April, predraft anyway. Market value.

It's no New Year's resolution
It's more than that

by stujo4 on Jun 20, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

My guess

Wouldn’t be surprised if Pay-Loo were holding out hope that Brown would sign his tender and play for one more year until he didn’t show up for the ring ceremony the other night. Dude must have a serious case of sour grapes if he didn’t show up for that. He must be really upset about being put on IR last year when he felt could’ve played later in the year and contributed to the Super Bowl win. Things might have played out differently had he been active and starting during the playoffs. It would’ve been our luck that the screen pass to PT to take the lead in the SB would’ve been called back due to a holding penalty on Brown. I seem to remember a lot of those from him. I don’t remember Bushrod ever getting called for holding.

I don’t pretend to know everything that went down between Pay-Loo and Brown for the past eight months, but if he was so pissed off that he didn’t want to play for the Saints anymore, I say good riddance to him.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Jun 20, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Question: How are you going to look back on your time in New Orleans?
Brown: “Of course I wanted to play, be a part of the Super Bowl. They’re a great team. I got a lot of friends down there. But it’s business, baby, it’s time to move on and get a Super Bowl here in Washington, D.C.”
Question: How bad were the injuries?
Brown: “Well, right before I had the surgery, I played the whole year with a torn labrum. That was the last year I played, when I made the Pro Bowl (2008). I had a torn labrum and a sports hernia. The next year came, I was practicing and in the preseason, my whole left side went numb. I went and had the surgery. I recovered from that pretty well. I could’ve played in the playoffs last year for New Orleans. But we didn’t know how long it was gonna take, so they put me on IR.”

WHAT? We can never tell if a guy is hurt, because Payton is not going to tell us and neither are the players, under threat of discipline

.Question: In your season off, the Saints found someone else to play left tackle. Do you feel like people have forgotten about you a little bit?
Brown: “If they have, I can easily remind them this upcoming year. They won’t forget about me for long.”
Doubt that anyone will care, especially Satch. See you in the playoffs, Jammal?? Not bloody likely.

More here

It's no New Year's resolution
It's more than that

by stujo4 on Jun 20, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I bet JB had no idea he made the Accountability Index

We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night. -- GW

by Hans Petersen on Jun 20, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

bruised ego

I don’t know what you’re reading from his comments but it sounds to me like he definitely has some resentment towards Payton. Not sure how to read this comment:

I’m just excited to be here and to be a part of a first-class program."

Did he think he wasn’t part of one before? Whatever. I’m moving on. Good luck, Jammal. We’ve proven we can win without you. But, you already know that and that’s how your ego got bruised to the point where you didn’t want to play for us anymore.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Jun 20, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

what a douche

He did well to play through the injuries in ‘08. But being a big cry baby in ’09 and asking the Saints to pay him back for ’08 is unrealistic. It’s business, baby, suck it up!

by xen-cuts on Jun 21, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately...

This is about what teams are willing to cough up for a guy like Brown. It is VERY rare to get “value” in a trade, especially linemen. The prevailing thought is that guys like him can be easily had in the middle rounds of the draft.

We were lucky we had Bushrod at the ready when Brown got hurt. Saints had been very high on Bushrod from the beginning, so Brown’s days as a Saints were likely numbered.

Hope JB does well in Washington, but the team doesn’t (except when they play Dallas).

by drbonne on Jun 21, 2010 1:48 PM CDT reply actions  

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