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CSC All-Time Saints Team Nominations: Guard No. 2

We're rolling now with our all-time Saints team elections and nearing the finish line. So far it's been pretty exciting, significantly more so than last summer. 

Next up in our selection process is the second offensive guard position, Jim Dombrowski having been overwhelming elected as our first guard on the all-time roster. Check out that election right here

To start things off, I've nominated every other guard remaining from that election. Their basic info can be found after the jump. If you think any other player(s) should be included in tomorrow's election, nominate them in the comment section and explain why. 

The poll will open at 6am Central tomorrow morning and will be open for exactly 48 hours, ending on Wednesday, July 14th.

I now open it up for any other nominations of players that you just can't believe I missed or to have one of the players listed below removed from tomorrows ballot. There very well may be a glaring omission. Talk it out below. I would also love to hear some personal rumination from our readers who've actually watched these guys play. Remember, this isn't just about choosing a player but allowing readers to share their memories of these players and educating those of us who never had a chance to see them.

Star-divide

 

Steve Korte

 

Height: 6'3"

Weight: 265 lbs.

D.O.B.: 1/15/1960

College: Arkansas

NFL Experience: 8 Seasons

Seasons with Saints: 1983-1990

Notables: Played entire career with Saints. 

 

LeCharles Bentley

 

Height: 6'2"

Weight: 309 lbs.

D.O.B.: 11/7/1979

College: Ohio State

NFL Experience: 6 Seasons

Seasons with Saints: 2002-2005

Notables: Two-time Pro Bowler (2003, 2005)

 

Joel Hilgenberg

 

Height: 6'3"

Weight: 250 lbs.

D.O.B.: 7/10/1962

College: Iowa

NFL Experience: 10 Seasons

Seasons with Saints: 1984--1993

Notables: One-time Pro Bowler (1992)

 

Jahri Evans

 

Height: 6'4"

Weight: 316 lbs.

D.O.B.: 8/22/1983

College: Bloomsburg

NFL Experience: 4 seasons

Seasons with Saints: 2006-2009

Notables: One-time Pro Bowler and First-Team All-Pro (2009)

 

Kyle Turley

 

Height: 6'5"

Weight: 309 lbs.

D.O.B.: 7/24/75

College: San Diego St. 

NFL Experience: 8 seasons

Seasons with Saints: 1998-2002

Notables: First-Team All-Pro (2000)

 

Jake Kupp

 

Height: 6'3"

Weight: 248 lbs.

D.O.B.: 3/12/1941

College: Washington

NFL Experience: 12 seasons 

Seasons with Saints1967-1975

Notables: One-time Pro Bowler (1969)

 

Conrad Dobler

 

Height: 6'3"

Weight: 254 lbs.

D.O.B.: 10/1/1950

College: Wyoming

NFL Experience: 10 seasons

Seasons with Saints: 1978-1979

Notables: Three-time Pro Bowler (1975, 1976, 1977)

 

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i vote to remove Turley who was a right tackle

by Andrew Juge on Jul 11, 2010 6:18 AM CDT reply actions  

I was wondering about that.

Didn’t think he played anywhere other than tackle. I’m almost tempted to vote for him just for the infamous helmet toss vs. the Jets.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Jul 11, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

But, he won't be on the ballot, so...

Will need to find out more about these guys before making a choice. Right now, I’m leaning towards Bentley or Hilgenberg. Jahri has been described by many as currently best in the league, so he deserves consideration despite the fact he’s still playing. Dobler’s best years seem to be with other teams. Tough choice.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Jul 11, 2010 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Turley played guard in his rookie season

And Dobler played only three games in his first of only two seasons with the Saints, 19 games total. Jahri Evans already totally outclasses Dobler, not only in ability but in his history with the team. If you guys vote for Dobler, I’m going to be very, very upset, and put Stu on retainer.

Steve Korte played 83 games for the Saints. Jake Kupp played 106, and is in the Saints Hall of Fame. Think before you vote.

It was worth the wait.

by MtnExile on Jul 11, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

boom rec'd it

Satch:

Dobler’s best years seem to be with other teams.
Despite the fondness for him, he can’t be the selection.

I was down in Dixie Land, played a silver fiddle
Played it loud and then the man broke it down the middle.

by stujo4 on Jul 11, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

If this was for the Dirtiest Player then maybe

by shn_hldn on Jul 11, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

also

Kupp was a team captain for 5 of his years with the Saints…

source

If we want to do something we've never done before, we've gotta do things we've never done before. -- Drew Brees

by Hans Petersen on Jul 11, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kupp recorded 4 fumble recoveries for the Saints in his career

source

If we want to do something we've never done before, we've gotta do things we've never done before. -- Drew Brees

by Hans Petersen on Jul 11, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Korte had three

…and a touchdown.
source

It was worth the wait.

by MtnExile on Jul 11, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

let's keep the facts and stats coming so we can make an informed decision...

and www.source.com had nothing on Korte’s stats – was that a joke or a mistake?

If we want to do something we've never done before, we've gotta do things we've never done before. -- Drew Brees

by Hans Petersen on Jul 11, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

HA!

M-E linked to his homepage. “Voice-Data-IP Telephony”

Tell us how phones work, M-E.

War: What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing

by stujo4 on Jul 11, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn’t say that was where Korte’s stats were…I said that was source. And it is. But if you want Korte’s stats, here they are:

Korte

Oops, not that either. Try here.

It was worth the wait.

by MtnExile on Jul 11, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

guess that means it was a joke - haha

M-E’s the real source….much like the Matrix

If we want to do something we've never done before, we've gotta do things we've never done before. -- Drew Brees

by Hans Petersen on Jul 11, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

the infamous helmet toss vs. the Jets.

That deserves a category all its own!

by BRSaintsFan on Jul 11, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know he didn’t get penalized for tossing the helmet, he got penalized for the obscene gesture.

by shn_hldn on Jul 11, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

And so was Bentley.

Bentley moved to center after playing only 1 year at guard if I recall correctly.

"Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake." -- Napoleon Bonaparte

by Cajun in CA on Jul 11, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Will be an interesting vote

It will really show what people value in their selection. We are really going to have to weigh longevity, time spent as a Saint, overall performance, and performance specifically at the Guard position. I’m looking forward to the debate on this one.

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Jul 11, 2010 10:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Those were the days...

 Jahri Evans is probably the class of the group, which is a good thing indeed. But for sheer star power, Conrad Dobler played in his own league.

"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds" -Bob Marley

by PanheadCatahoula on Jul 11, 2010 10:37 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm torn between Kupp, Korte and Evans

Korte never earned postseason honors, but was an anchor on the OL for years.

Kupp is much the same, but with a pro bowl berth.

Evans has anchored the line well all four years, and with a pro bowl berth.

Turley and Bentley each only played a year at the G position, and Hilgy mostly played C, so I don’t think they should count in this vote.

Dobler had a reputation and previous postseason honors, but not while with the Saints, so he’s out.

If we want to do something we've never done before, we've gotta do things we've never done before. -- Drew Brees

by Hans Petersen on Jul 11, 2010 11:30 AM CDT reply actions  

I would put more stock into all-pro than pro-bowl selections

"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams

by DrWhoDat on Jul 11, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with you Hans

I’m also torn between those 3 with a slight lean towards Kupp. Although I beleive Jahri is going to be our all time greatest at the position by the end of his career.

by cbkao on Jul 11, 2010 2:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Kupp vs. Evans is what it boils down to for me.

BTW, should Chris Naeole be on the list? (not that I’d vote for him). Just asking; maybe he did better for Jacksonville than for us.

"Dang! The Saints won the Super Bowl!" - my wife, Meso "Happy" Hu Dat.

by Dang Hu Dat on Jul 11, 2010 11:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Once again...

it appears to me we are scraping the sides (not them bottom) of the barrell again. Other than longevity none of those players really did anything that was recognized league wide. I’m voting for Evans. He came out of of obscurity and is currently ranked as the the best at his position league wide.

by jray2000 on Jul 11, 2010 11:42 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Evans would get my vote also

just look at his Madden scores…lol

"We've got 27 ways to add up to 11 (players on the field). I came up with another one last night." -- Greg Williams

by DrWhoDat on Jul 11, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Conrad Dobler after football
Dobler paid a high price for his NFL career; today he is 90% disabled having suffered through numerous operations to repair his battered body. Dobler has had nine knee replacements. Still in need of further surgeries, Dobler, like many other disabled NFL veterans, has been unable to gain disability assistance from the NFL. 1

On April 5, 2007, The Buffalo News reported that as a result of falling out of a hammock in 2001, Dobler’s wife Joy became a paraplegic. Substantial medical bills for Joy’s care put the Dobler family in financial hardship, to the point they could no longer pay for their academically gifted daughter, Holli, or their son, Stephen, to attend college. Champion golfer Phil Mickelson heard of the Dobler family situation on ESPN and volunteered to pay for Holli’s college education at Miami University in Ohio and the University of Kansas in Lawrence. Stephen is a member of Kappa Sigma there.

by shn_hldn on Jul 11, 2010 12:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Kyle Turley after football
After retiring from football, Turley moved to Nashville, Tennessee, where he set his sights on a music career. His debut album, “Anger Management” which includes songs about his football career, is described by Turley as “power country.” He explains that this style of music is a mix of all rock sub genres and country genres.2 The track entitled, “Anger Management,” includes references to the helmet-throwing incident.3

Most would describe Turley’s music as Outlaw Country of even Country Rock. Because of his heavy metal influences and background, his songwriting is less polished and more raw than traditional Country music. Part of the proceeds from the album go to the Gridiron Greats Assistance Fund a non-profit, 501© (3) corporation, established to provide financial assistance and coordinate social services to dire need retired NFL players who are pioneers of the game and have greatly contributed to the NFL’s status as the most popular sport in America.

by shn_hldn on Jul 11, 2010 12:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Anger Management? This was after he threatened to kill Mike Martz!

On Dec. 13, 2004, Turley reportedly had a heated confrontation with Rams head coach Mike Martz. The incident had to be investigated by league security as Martz contended that Turley ‘threatened to kill him’, a charge that would later be vehemently denied by Turley.

by shn_hldn on Jul 11, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can we add

Brad Edelman
Saint 82-89
90 game
1x Pro Bowl 87

by shn_hldn on Jul 11, 2010 1:01 PM CDT reply actions  

There are some good names on this list

but I think that Jahri Evans has already shown us that he is the best. An All-Pro and he is regarded by many as the best guard in the league right now.

Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!

by mknkachow on Jul 11, 2010 2:01 PM CDT reply actions  

add this to the list of Korte's accomplishments

Scored one touchdown on a fumble recovery. source

If we want to do something we've never done before, we've gotta do things we've never done before. -- Drew Brees

by Hans Petersen on Jul 11, 2010 2:28 PM CDT reply actions  

korte played

G/C for one year, and C for three others

source

If we want to do something we've never done before, we've gotta do things we've never done before. -- Drew Brees

by Hans Petersen on Jul 11, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jahri made Pro Football Weekly's All-Rookie team

source

If we want to do something we've never done before, we've gotta do things we've never done before. -- Drew Brees

by Hans Petersen on Jul 11, 2010 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

jahri also has

3 fumble recoveries and 4 tackles in his young career

source

If we want to do something we've never done before, we've gotta do things we've never done before. -- Drew Brees

by Hans Petersen on Jul 11, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

dobler

Dobler was a mean mother, he was even meaner when he played with the cast on his forearm, remember?
 My vote in order is, Evans, Edelman, Dobler.
 Dobe was real good with the Saints, but previously better with the cardinals.

by tommy v on Jul 12, 2010 10:30 AM CDT reply actions  

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