Saints state of the team address - QB
by Saint for life on Jul 11, 2010 5:08 PM CDT
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When talking about the Saints QB situation, I think Saints and non-Saints fans will agree that the when it comes to Drew Brees the Saints have a QB that epitomizes the prototypical NFL spokesman. Drew's on the field accolades are clearly documented - 2nd highest season passing yardage total, highest single season passing percentage in NFL history and not to mention a Superbowl MVP. His many off the field contributions are now well documented as a result of his on the field successes. He is a leader in the community and his charitable contributions are second to none. Every team in the league would be lucky to have a Drew Brees at the helm. To address the QB position though you have to assume the unthinkable --- INJURY UGH!!!!
With Mark Brunell apparently not going to be on the roster, the Saints have a huge whole at the back-up spot. The Saints currenlty have a truck load of un-proven, un-tested talent, but as we all know unrealized potential is about as worthless as a paper bag with with a hole in the bottom. For this reason, I believe the saints would be well served in going after a quality back-up with NFL experience. Joey Harrington, Marc Bulger and even Brunell would be a welcome sight to see on the bench. For those that have voiced the opinion that Jamarcus Russell would look good in black and gold, I say that the Saint's prefer not to have players that have a potential pin striped uniform in their immediate future or rencent past.
So with all that said, I put it to you fellow Saints fans....Please let me know what you think!
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Joey Harrington, Marc Bulger and even Brunell would be a welcome sight to see on the bench.
Harrington is currently working as a radio analyst for FOX Sports radio for both college football and the NFL.
On June 23, 2010, Bulger reached an agreement with the Baltimore Ravens on a one-year, $3.8 million deal along with incentives.
Brunell is a bankrupt bum who will probably end up with the Jets.
rotoworld.com:
Patrick Ramsey-QB- Lions Jun. 8 – 1:03 am et
Saints beat reporter Brian Allee-Walsh confirms that the team is expected to sign free agent Patrick Ramsey before training camp.
The New Orleans Times-Picayune hinted as much in a Sunday afternoon column. The move would likely leave rookie Sean Canfield to battle Chase Daniel for the third quarterback spot. Ramsey signed with the UFL’s Omaha Nighthawks at the start of the month, but isn’t obligated to honor the deal.
War: What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
I still think Culpepper is our best option, but anyone with starting experience would likely be better than what we currently have.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
true dat
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.
Benjamin Franklin
Culpepper is a choice idiot.
Ever since his knee went out he’s lost his ability to throw the long ball. And his short game was never all that impressive. I truly believe he was created by Tice’s liine and Carter and Moss. Without them he’s yet to have even a halfway decent year.
Instead you should look at Tarvaris Jackson!
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Horrible Idea
If we wanted a back up with the qualities that Jackson possesses, I am sure we would have went for Tim Tebow.
Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted
by SaintsFanInIraq on Jul 12, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
No I just want him off the team
By the way I’m still waiting for my bucket of feathery chicken…
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Patrick Ramsey and Josh Mccown
are both viable options imo. I’m sure I’ll be in the minority on Mccown, but he actually has more starting experience than Ramsey. He actually has pretty decent stats as well, for a backup anyway.
Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!
I’d definitely prefer McCown over Ramsey. In fact, that’s who I thought the Saints were going to go after in 2006, when Payton first got here. Only because I didn’t think we had a shot in hell of landing Brees, considering the disarray of the franchise at the time.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
“For those that have voiced the opinion that Jamarcus Russell would look good in black and gold”
I don’t think anyone has seriously contemplated this. I think it has mainly been a joke. I, for one, have joked about bringing him in as an O-Lineman/QB. I don’t think that Payton would ever even entertain the notion unless Brees and every other prospectiive QB on our radar fell ill or became injured and the Jr High kid down the street refused.
Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted
by SaintsFanInIraq on Jul 12, 2010 12:25 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Boom!
Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!
I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.
by Just 'Nother Day on Jul 12, 2010 2:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like you want to run
the ol’ fumblerooskie pass play that turns into an interception!
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Actually
We are looking at nothing of teh sort. We are stating how bad of an idea it is to go for Russel.
We, as meaning all of ME
Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted
by SaintsFanInIraq on Jul 12, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
That was something of a joke....
While Russel is big enough to be an offensive tackle I don’t think he has the nuts for it. However a fumblerooskie that turns into an interception would be pretty much pat for the guy. I think I was agreeing with you.
Honestly you should ask Warner to come back and play for you all. Chances are he’ll never see the field he’ll make some money and if he does play you have an all star back up.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I still think Garcia is our best option
I think he’s got the most left in his tank of all FA QBs out their who have legitimate shots at carrying us in time of an emergency.
Dan Kelly, how did you hack into ReggieVilma’s signon????
You think you're a groove, standing there in your wallpaper shoes
And your socks that match your eyes.
I tried to reply to ya Raggie
I like Garcia too. And I think he is tough as nails to go with a great pressure QB, pocket passer, and I think he reads the D well and can make quick decisions.
Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted
by SaintsFanInIraq on Jul 12, 2010 1:07 PM CDT reply actions
GAAA!!!
Mr. Dave, Dan Kelly is wilding on CSC.
You think you're a groove, standing there in your wallpaper shoes
And your socks that match your eyes.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
I got a GAAA!!!
First I hit the accountability index,now I get a GAAA!!!, this just keeps getting better.
Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted
by SaintsFanInIraq on Jul 12, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
He also hasn’t played a lick of professional football in over 18 months. Culpepper last played in January.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
I don't think it really matters that much.
Garcia is a hardcore competitor. I would expect he has stayed in pretty good football shape for his age.
Really the only thing I think about when considering a backup is who would be best to come in for 4 games out of the year, and potentially the playoffs. If Brees is out for any more than 4 games I’m probably going to call the season a wash anyway.
Garcia certainly has enough left to handle 4 games a year. He’s a better passer than both McCown and Ramsey, has loads more starting experience, and playoff victories on top of that. You could put a lot of guys behind our line, with our offense, and have them be successful to a point, Garcia has what it takes to excel.
“You could put a lot of guys behind our line, with our offense, and have them be successful to a point, Garcia has what it takes to excel.”
I don’t disagree with this, I just think both Culpepper and McCown would bring more to the table in this particular offense than Garcia would. Ramsey would be a distant fourth. As in, I don’t even see him as an upgrade over Brunell, except maybe in terms of being able to take punishment.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
“except maybe in terms of being able to take punishment.”
… and salary demands. I’m pretty sure all three would be willing to play for considerably less than Garcia would.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
that could be true, but how much do you think he’s really going to demand after being out of football for so long? That, coupled with the opportunity to get back in the NFC South and kick some ass on the defending Super Bowl Championship team, I think makes it more than plausible.
I’ve always liked Garcia, he has always been solid under pressure, able to make game changing plays in the crunch, a very pure passer, with a great football IQ. I do agree that McCown has a lot of upside though. Maybe throwing him behind Drew for a couple years would turn him into a potential starter. Develop him and he may be worth some draft picks….
This is all useless banter anyway if everything I’ve read is even halfway accurate. Ramsey is all but inked in I guess.
I know. But Garcia would have preseason and hopefully well into the season to get re-accustomed.
Its just that Garcia has proven more recently that he’s still capable of putting together a run and getting into the playoffs, with the Eagles in 2006. Garcia is more mobile and will get out of more sacks and bad situations than Cullpepper, and probably avoid an injury. I think its more critical to make the shorter passes, whcih we do a lot of along with some longer balls, in our offense. We thrive because of accurate passing. In the latter parts of their careers, Garcia’s completion % has gone up while Cullpepper’s has gone down, while both of them have been on bad teams. I think it woul dbe best to have a backup that resembled Drew’s talents so that we wouldn’t have to alter the gameplan as drastically, sticking with what we have perfected.
by ReggieVilma on Jul 13, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Payton: Drew, what do you think about us maybe approaching Jeff Garcia to be your backup?
Brees: (frowns during long pause) Uh, he’d want quite a lot of money, wouldn’t he? Does Mr. Benson really want to pay more than he did to Brunell? I mean, really, ha ha. Up side is, we can relax a little on the staph infection front. Down side… well, Jeff is just so keen about everything.
Payton: Got it. I’ll tell Mickey to go ahead and pull the trigger on the Ramsey kid.
You think you're a groove, standing there in your wallpaper shoes
And your socks that match your eyes.
Ramsey has stunning diamond creations. I hear him talking about them all the time on the radio.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Here's hoping it's a moot point and it doesn't matter who's riding the bench.
Barring that, if we lose Drew we’re pretty well hosed anyway, so we may as well see what Daniels and Canfield have got when it counts.
Who dat, from a cajun exiled to cowboy country.
by alcoholic_insight on Jul 12, 2010 3:53 PM CDT reply actions
So, if we’re 13-0 again and Brees goes down, you’re content with possibly throwing away home field advantage throughout the playoffs, for the sake of seeing what these two guys can do?
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
sure, why not?
At least we get a preview of what we have and also hopefully get a better draft position.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.
Benjamin Franklin
So what you just said is, if we’re 13-0, you’d rather us go one-and-done instead of trying to repeat, just because we don’t have Drew Brees?
"Here's the funny thing. Last night, I couldn't sleep too well. I called my dad (Bill) at 2:15 in the morning, and told him I had a feeling I was going to hit the game-winner from 42 yards on the right hash. I think I was two yards off."- Garrett Hartley
I don’t get that. At all. Do the names Aaron Brooks, Jeff Hostetler and Tom Brady mean anything to you?
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Granted, Daniel or Canfield could conceivably be the equivalent to one of those guys. I just think you’d have a much better chance of succeeding with an experienced QB. Even Brooks had played in Packers and Saints exhibition games, before taking over against Oakland.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Are we agreeing or disagreeing with each other? I am all for getting an experienced back-up
"Here's the funny thing. Last night, I couldn't sleep too well. I called my dad (Bill) at 2:15 in the morning, and told him I had a feeling I was going to hit the game-winner from 42 yards on the right hash. I think I was two yards off."- Garrett Hartley
We were having a sidebar conversation, regarding maybetoday’s opinion.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
But are we agreeing in the fact that we both disagree with maybetoday’s opinion?
"Here's the funny thing. Last night, I couldn't sleep too well. I called my dad (Bill) at 2:15 in the morning, and told him I had a feeling I was going to hit the game-winner from 42 yards on the right hash. I think I was two yards off."- Garrett Hartley
maybetoday's opinion
was light hearted and slightly sarcastic. (forgot the font)
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.
Benjamin Franklin
Of course not that is a totally different matter,
but is the small possibility of such an event coming up, along with the assumption that some of those veteran backups might not be available at the time of need anyway, worth asking an already penny-pinching front office to fork over more money right now? They already seem unwilling to pay the players we KNOW we need! I’m just factoring that in and saying that right here, right now, hell yes, go with what we’ve got.
Who dat, from a cajun exiled to cowboy country.
by alcoholic_insight on Jul 15, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, if you don’t intend to address the problem, until the problem arises, then you’r eright, it probably makes little difference. In that case, it comes down to a QB with no game experience that knows the playbook, versus a veteran QB with game experience that doesn’t know the playbook. A more diligent approach at least imo, would be to bring in the veteran QB with game experience NOW. Only then would you gain an advantage, if and when Brees were to go down. As far as the odds of something like that happening, I think it’s a lot greater than anyone cares to admit. How many starting QBs play 16 games from one season to the next? I would estimate it’s less than half on average. It’s foolish to rely that heavily on any one player, no matter who it is. Especially when you have other options. The fact remains, the longer the Saints wait, the fewer options they’re ultimately affording themselves in that particular situation.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
EFF IT
Just go with Lance Moore. He has already been listed as a #3 Emergency, he has plenty of game experience, and I am sure he could hold fine for the field goal attempts.
OR
Try to snag Michael Vick from the Eagles, I hear they are on rocky ground and possibly looking to part ways. Maybe we can get him cheap – for giggles – and the Wild Cat – and to mentor Reggie Bush.
You surely realize this is a joke by now, so I expect laghter and light hearted ribbing for such an insane idea.
Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted
by SaintsFanInIraq on Jul 14, 2010 3:01 AM CDT reply actions
Not sure why that’s such an insane idea. Vick would be a dramatic upgrade over either Daniel or Canfield. Not saying Loomis would ever pursue him, just that it’s a clear cut improvement.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
I never thought
That anyone would agree with me on the Vick thing, and for sure counted on at least a half GAAA!!! out of stu for posting it. Thinking about it, I guess we could do much worse than Vick, and right now the going price should be pretty darn cheap. Even though this is strictly a hypothetical question, what would you consider a good trade to get Vick?
Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted
by SaintsFanInIraq on Jul 14, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess we could do much worse than Vick,
In talent? Sure. In potentially lethal locker room atmosphere damage? That’s hard to imagine.
You all (y’all) need to read Payton’s book to get a feel for how much he thinks his control of the team means to their success. Mind control. Svengali.
Then tell me that Michael Vick is a good fit on the Saints.
I sure like dat candy
I don't go for dem turnip greens
Potentially Lethal Locker Room Atmosphere
The most potential I have seen from anyone is T.O., come to think of it, he’s avaialbel too. Maybe we can get Vick and T.O. and creat a super-dysfunctional all star cast for a new reality series. HMMMMM
Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted
by SaintsFanInIraq on Jul 14, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
He isn't a good fit.
But if good guys buy into Payton’s Svengali/mind control/motivation tactics I say right on to him and them and Woohooo for us.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.
Benjamin Franklin
what would you consider a good trade to get Vick?
You can pick him up off the waiver wire in about a week.
I sure like dat candy
I don't go for dem turnip greens
rotoworld.com:
Michael Vick-QB- Eagles Jul. 13 – 10:15 pm et Citing sources familiar with the Eagles’ decision-making process, FoxSports.com’s Adam Caplan reports the team would only cut ties with Michael Vick if he “forced them to do so” by lying about his involvement in Quan Phillips’ shooting. Yahoo! Sports reported Sunday that the option of cutting Vick was “absolutely” a possibility, but the Philadelphia Daily News has consistently stated the Eagles are keeping their backup QB. It seems obvious at this point that some in the front office want Vick out, but at least one strong voice (Andy Reid?) has objections due to the time and money already invested. Reid reportedly considers Vick a valuable asset and has plans to increase his utilization of the Wildcat offense this season.
I sure like dat candy
I don't go for dem turnip greens
I wouldn’t want to give up much for him. Maybe another guy walking the thin line, as far as conduct strikes go, like Hargrove. Or someone playing out a one year tender, who we’re likely to part ways with at the end of the year anyway, like Moore or Harper. Or a 5th round pick. Whatever. It’s not going to happen.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Agreed!
And honestly it freaks me out knowing it’s football and anything could happen at any time.
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious." - Vince Lombardi
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