CSC All-Time Saints Team Election: Cornerback No. 2

Just for the record:

Waymer – 37 INTs in 149 games = 1 INT every 4.0 games.
McKenzie – 13 INTs in 68 games = 1 INT every 5.2 games.

That’s as a Saint. For their CAREERS …

Waymer – 48 INTs in 197 games = 1 INT every 4.1 games.
McKenzie – 28 INTs in 138 games = 1 INT every 4.9 games.

Breaking it down by INTs per season as a Saint:

1 or more – Waymer 7, McKenzie 6
2 or more – Waymer 7, McKenzie 3
3 or more – Waymer 7, McKenzie 2
4 or more – Waymer 6, McKenzie 1
5 or more – Waymer 4, McKenzie 1
6 or more – Waymer 3, McKenzie 0
7 or more – Waymer 1, McKenzie 0
8 or more – Waymer 1, McKenzie 0
9 or more – Waymer 1, McKenzie 0

Pro Bowls – Waymer 1, McKenzie 0

On top of which, Waymer is the Saints all-time interception leader, as well as most games played by a DB, regardless of position. He was also drafted by the Saints, something brought up in the Brenner vs Childs debate. In Brenner’s case, you had the longetivity leader going head to head with the production leader. In this case, the leader in BOTH categories is getting blown away. Makes perfect sense to me.

I was expecting McKenzie to make a good showing just because of how well Shockey did last week, but this is kind of disturbing. If we were polling a group of experts that were familiar with every part of the history of the team then this would be a one horse race for Dave Waymer. And Johnnie Poe would definitely have more than one vote at this point. I guess CP was more accurate than even he knew when he said that the bulk of this board is now the guys that can’t remember past Jim Mora.

Which it would have been even without CP’s wonderful breakdown. See, what we are encountering is people voting for people that they are familiar with. While McKenzie certainly wasn’t a slouch, he doesn’t hold a candle to Waymer. The thing is I actually remember watching Waymer play (heck, I’m sure that I saw them all!) But we have a number of younger members in their teens and 20s that don’t want to take the time to research all these people they haven’t heard of.

Believe it or not, football was actually around prior to 1990, and it even predates the Saints team (although we are only concerned with the Saints for the All-Time Team Election…)

but he was def better than mckenzie (not that i dont love the predator). most of mckenzie’s best years were for the packers anyway.

This is borderline insanity. Shockey last week and now McKenzie? That would make the whole all-time team a joke. People, contrary to what many of you seem to think, the Saints did actually play before the year 2009.

we’re only 103 wins away from being a .500 franchise.

It’s Waymer by a nose!

I know these corners were real good players, but……. i voted for Massey because I really liked watching this guy play. I think at the time if things would have been different, he would have been much better.

need your head examined

that McKenzie doesn’t have as good an interception ratio as Waymer because he wasn’t thrown at often? I’m not saying this is the case but asking if anyone thinks it might be, I’m not old enough to have seen Waymer play so I don’t know. Also, why is Waymer listed as a FS on nosaintshistory.com every year?

I AM old enough to remember seeing Waymer play and I have very few fond memories of those occasions. I mostly remember him getting completely torched in key moments but ’m old, so maybe my memory is faulty.

Because I enjoyed watching him play and thought he was damn good. Excuse us younger Saints fans (I’m 30 by the way) for voting with our heart and not our mind.

And not for McKenzie potentially winning or Waymer. In my opinion, Waymer is by far the best CB the Saints have ever had. However, if i had to pick the second, it would have been McKenzie hands down. One of the two best corners are team has had will be left off our CSC roster. Instead we have a 3 year merc who by far played his best with both the team before, and the team he joined after, the Saints. I can grudgingly understand why people would select McKenzie over Waymer due to their knowledge of the man. What i can’t understand was how either of these would ever lose out to Eric Allen on the Saints all time team.

If you had to pick the 3 worst years of Allen’s career (Not counting his final “i’m too old to still be playing” year in Oakland), it would easily be his three terrible years in the Black and Gold.

Good luck to Waymer, good luck to McKenzie…it’s a shame one of you won’t be on the list.

It’s been fluctuating back and forth all day. Where are all of these last minute votes coming from? Is Dave just screwing around with us to build suspense? :)

I think it will wind up being Waymer by a nose. I agree with Jeff in that I can’t remember how Eric Allen beat out both of these guys.

Grats to Waymer. Heck of a close race obviously.

I know this is a crazy first post but I have been reading this site for awhile and I must say you guys are very entertaining. But going over the arguments for McKenzie and Waymer makes me wonder how did Eric Allen make the team in the first place? He only played for two years and didnt put up the number of either of these guys.