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The New Orleans Saints All-Time Worst Players and Team: Defense & Special Teams

Returning now to our second and final installment of CSC's all-time worst Saints players, courtesy of contributing member saints-nation. On Sunday, he covered the worst offensive players in the history of the organization. Catch that right here in case you missed it. Today, he laments the players on defense and special teams who made us want to stick needles in our eyes. 

Make the jump to see who he chose to be included on his list of all-time worst Saints. Then share your opinions. Tip of the hat to saints-nation for his work on this popular series of posts. 

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DE: Joe Campbell - Campbell was picked 7th overall only to play 5 exceedingly mediocre seasons in the NFL, including 4 with the Saints. He was also a member of the Saints' memorably woeful 1980 squad but couldn't even crack the starting lineup on that team.

DE: Billy Newsome - The Saints traded their first round pick in 1972 for this man in an attempt to improve horrendous defense. Two years later, they were trying to replace Newsome. Some impact he made.

DT: Johnathan Sullivan - Not only was he picked 6th overall, but the Saints traded two lower 1st round picks to secure this clown. 3 years later they traded him for Bethel Johnson, who provided laughable value. Sullivan was always more committed to a high caloric intake than anything else. In three seasons he totaled 1.5 sacks and received an $8 million signing bonus for his efforts. He also got busted for marijuana possession and could easily be in jail right now.

DT: Shawn Knight - Knight was an 11th overall 1st round pick out of BYU in 1987 and came into New Orleans with immense expectations of performing. Knight was one of the most storied failures in the Saints' draft history. He played just one season with the Saints and was so bad and incapable of playing his position that the Saints got rid of him after his rookie year. The times he was plugged into the lineup he was eaten alive. He'd last just 3 years in the league.

OLB: Rick Middleton - He was drafted 13th overall in 1974, and hardly  played in just 2 years with the Saints and 4 years overall in the league before he was done. He was terrible.

OLB: Alvin Toles - Another first round pick, drafted in 1985, that accomplished almost nothing. He lasted 3 years in the league.

MLB: Cie Grant - Grant was a 3rd round draft pick in the Haslett era. Haslett would always talk up his potential and act like he got a steal out of Grant in the draft. Grant would blow out his knee in each training camp and would never see the field. He fit the Haslett motto of "big and fast" with zero production whatsoever.

CB: Toi Cook - When you earn yourself the nickname "toast", you're a shoe in. His nickname was based on the fact that he was routinely burned, at will, by opposing quarterbacks and receivers. Another corner I would always call "toast" was Fred Weary, who deserves an honorable mention.

CB: Jason David - When a guys earns 8 picks in two seasons, you have to wonder how he made this team, right? Well, he was thrown to, and beat, 100 fold. It's not like I really need to defend this pick. All Saints fans old and new have seen this guy play. Somehow he's still in the league with the Detroit Lions, which is pretty fitting actually. David's go to play was starring in the backfield as his receiver blew past him.

FS: Josh Bullocks - I struggled mightily to pick between Bullocks and Tebucky Jones. Boy, Jim Haslett sure knew how to pick his free safeties. I went with Bullocks because he played four years for the Saints, so I had to stomach his performances for twice the amount of time I had to deal with "TeSucky". Both players actually shared similar traits. Bricks for hands, the complete inability to wrap up on tackles electing to always go for the big hit and whiffing more times than not, horrendous ball skills, no instincts whatsoever, and a penchant for always taking bad angles. Sounds like a great free safety right? But hey, at least they were "big and fast".

SS: Sean Lumpkin - Lumpkin started 4 years for the Saints are was largely bad, constantly going for big hits that didn't happen, not too different from Tebucky Jones. He also had bricks for hands and was hit in the numbers without coming up with the pick numerous times.


K: Chip Lohmiller - It was weird that he was so bad because the guy actually had a pretty decent career with the Redskins, including a Super Bowl win, but in 1995 with the Saints every kick made my heart palpitate and he was especially shaky on extra points. He was just 8 of 14 that season (57.1%) and missed two PATs.

P: Russell Erxleben -  the Saints drafted him 11th overall and made him the highest taken kicker ever after he hit a 67 yard field goal in college. He ended up being an awful punter for about 4 seasons and could never cut it as a kicker. He attempted 4 field goals in his career.

KR/PR: Stanford Jennings - Jennings was added by the Saints in 1991 only to play one entirely miserable season, filled with poor stats, fumbles and overall uselessness. I remember being so excited when the Saints picked him up because he was a superstar return man for the Bengals, and he even ran a kickoff back for a touchdown in the Super Bowl. By the time he got to the Saints he was finished.

 

So who did I miss? Any players that didn't make my team that you would have added?

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Now you really aren’t giving Erxleben enough credit, he had 8 field goal attempts, and MADE 4 of them. He also made all 7 of his extra point tries and even threw for a touchdown in 198…oh wait, nevermind, he still was the worst of the bunch by a long shot, even before you take into account where he was taken in the draft.

by theprogrammerman on Jul 7, 2010 7:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Toi Cook wasn’t bad enough to make this list, but I do agree that he got torched quite a bit. I’d put Clarence Chapman over him, along with many other faceless fly-by-night corners that were disposed of more expeditously.

Joe Campbell wound up getting traded to the Oakland Raiders in the middle of the 1980 season, only to return to the Superdome that January and win a SB ring. Talk about going from the outhouse to the penthouse overnight. Just something to keep in mind, before blurting out “but he helped our team with a championship!” as the primary reason you’re voting for a certain player as one of the best ever at their position. SB rosters have their fair share of duds, just like any other.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Jul 7, 2010 7:12 AM CDT reply actions  

win a championship!"

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Jul 7, 2010 7:13 AM CDT reply actions  

i just remember saints fans complaining about fred thomas in 06

not realizing the abortion we had acquired from indy. i actually think that jason david might actually be an above avg starter for a cover 2 team. jonathan sullivan… i wish i had four hands, so i could give him four thumbs down.

I love it when a plan comes together! -Hannibal

by DrewBreesManCrush on Jul 7, 2010 7:16 AM CDT reply actions  

A lot of people probably forget how awful Michael Lewis was, when he first started returning punts. He fumbled six times each season in 2001 and 2002, before finally getting his sh** together. Patrick Newman and Louis Lipps were both God awful too, during their brief stints here.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Jul 7, 2010 7:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Are we only counting players that made the final roster? If not, I’d like to nominate Walter Thomas and Chase Lyman.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Jul 7, 2010 7:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Lyman would be offense, nm.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Jul 7, 2010 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Julian Pittman, also.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Jul 7, 2010 7:22 AM CDT reply actions  

“Bricks for hands, the complete inability to wrap up on tackles electing to always go for the big hit and whiffing more times than not, horrendous ball skills, no instincts whatsoever, and a penchant for always taking bad angles. Sounds like a great free safety right?”

That actually sounds a lot like Roman Harper.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Jul 7, 2010 7:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Haha

I was thinking the same thing

by Ezio_Auditore on Jul 7, 2010 9:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

What about Milton Mack for cornerback?

Maybe I got the wrong guy, but I remember some awful cornerback play back during the dome patrol days, so I decided to look up the 1988 roster and his name came up. I don’t remember Toi Cook being all that bad, but maybe I placed my hate on the wrong guy during that time.

by rustdog74 on Jul 7, 2010 7:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Mack was so-so. I liked Brett Maxie back then. Always thought he was underrated safety.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Jul 7, 2010 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

SS Gene Atkins was . . .

. . . also incredibly underrated. He was a brilliant run stopper and he hit like Vaughn Johnson, sacrificing his future orthopedic health on every play.

"Why would I even consider taking the ball out of Drew Brees’ hands?’’

by DrZin on Jul 7, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed, though he was at his best at FS, after he and Maxie flip-flopped in 1990. Atkins helped clinch the Saints’ first division title ever with three interceptions in the 1991 season finale against the Cardinals. Pretty sure that’s still the team record for most in a game by a single player.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Jul 7, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dave I think you left out Martin Gramatica...

You are my people, you are my crowd, this is our music, we love it loud...

by bondcrash on Jul 7, 2010 8:05 AM CDT reply actions  

not really...

he spent two seasons with the Saints.

His first season, he was 5 for 5 on FGs and 8 for 8 on XPs.

His second season wasn’t as good, 6 for 10 on FG and 16 for 16 on XP.

Admittedly his second season with us was not very good, but certainly not the worst.

"Do not anticipate trouble or worry about what may never happen. Keep in the sunlight. " ~Benjamin Franklin

by Dan Kelly on Jul 7, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry boss I missed the small print

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by bondcrash on Jul 7, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

(And by “credit” he means “blame”)

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by stujo4 on Jul 7, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’d still like to know what happened to all the “must retain Carney at all costs” Chicken Littles from early in the ’09 season. They seemed to evaporate down the stretch.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Jul 7, 2010 9:07 AM CDT reply actions  

DB Bust

How about Alex Molden from Oregon…? He never lived up to the hype…we could have had Eddie George instead of him.

by WhoDatPHaltnMD on Jul 7, 2010 9:24 AM CDT reply actions  

I heard Eddie George still sends Bill Kuharich a Christmas card every year for not selecting him.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Jul 7, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

CB Frank Thomas.

blame the whole failure of the 2005-2006 season on this guy.

Way down South in Mississippi... the Rebs kick your ass.

by Blue Chip Prospect on Jul 7, 2010 9:29 AM CDT reply actions  

?

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Jul 7, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I loved this big baby.

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by stujo4 on Jul 7, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

FRED thomas played an important role in 2006

although he gave up a number of big plays, his biggest role was keeping jason “dumpster fire” craft off the field. i hated that guy…

I love it when a plan comes together! -Hannibal

by DrewBreesManCrush on Jul 7, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Poor Fred was past his prime and playing hurt (his hand, anyway). You don’t spend 12 seasons in the NFL if you suck. But you can certainly suck in the 11th and 12th seasons.

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by stujo4 on Jul 7, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed. He had some good years. People just tend to remember the bad.

by jeff.l.b on Jul 7, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was our best CB at least one season, if I remember correctly.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Jul 7, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

As long as we are talking about horrible kickers

I think the only Saints player I’ve wanted to do bodily harm to because of horrible performances is Chip Lohmiller. The guy only played for 8 games back in 1995, but if my memory serves me, he was the sole reason for the team losing at least 4 of those games. He’s still on my list of people I’d punch in the face if I saw them walking down the street.

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Jul 7, 2010 11:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Even the best have a bad year or stretch. I remember one season Morten Anderson was having a terrible time. He even made a joke that he tried to commit suicide, but when he put the gun to his head and pulled the trigger he missed wide right.

by jeff.l.b on Jul 7, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like you harbor a lot of anger towards kickers. You might want to check out this film. It’s a personal favorite of mine. You’re welcome.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Jul 7, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

That’s an excellent movie. Hugely depressing and haunting. Vincent Gallo is crazy.

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by stujo4 on Jul 7, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have you seen “The Brown Bunny”? Not as well-conceived plot wise, but equally depressing/haunting. Definitely better than the critics make it out to be. It caught a lot of flack based on a superfluous fellatio scene at the end. I’ve seen far worse in movies far worse.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Jul 7, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only heard about the infamous Chloë Sevigny scene. It pays to be the writer and director.

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by stujo4 on Jul 7, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

does anyone else drive a "shifter car"?

"The good news is we're gonna sign you to the roster. The bad news is you're 26 pounds overweight and I gotta fine you, and that's gonna cost you more than you'll make for the playoff game." Sean Payton to Deuce McAllister, January 2010.

by HansDat on Jul 7, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

We need to look like we're spanning time...

we’re spanning time here. Just spanning time.

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by Dave Cariello on Jul 7, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Josh Bullocks and Jason Craft

How the hell they made it into the NFL is beyond me.

Both of them were worthless

by Jricky70 on Jul 7, 2010 11:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Our 2008 Special Teams were the WORST

Whatever happened to Taylor Melhaff? Remember the big legged lefty we pocked up in 08? He got cut by the end of preseason, then came back and missed what, 3 out of 5 FGs or something? Man, remember when 08 was like the absolute worst year for our special teams? We went through 3 kickers and 2 punters. We got Hartley but it took Gramatica and Melhaff’s blunders to finally sober up and get a good kicker.

And what about KR Skyler Green? Sure he was an LSU star, but man, those fumbles and negative yards. I would cringe every time he returned kicks.

The craziest thing of all was that this was nearly 2 years ago.

by Jee on Jul 7, 2010 12:24 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

DE-Melvin Williams
CB-Rob Kelly
DE-Jared Tomich
DT-Ennis Davis

by shn_hldn on Jul 7, 2010 4:26 PM CDT reply actions  

note about Shawn Knight

A couple years after we drafted him, we traded him to Denver for Ted Gregory, who was their FIRST ROUND DL BUST SUPREME from 1987, but neither player breathed new life into their careers at a new home.

"The good news is we're gonna sign you to the roster. The bad news is you're 26 pounds overweight and I gotta fine you, and that's gonna cost you more than you'll make for the playoff game." Sean Payton to Deuce McAllister, January 2010.

by HansDat on Jul 7, 2010 4:29 PM CDT reply actions  

What about the absolutely forgetable CB Ricky Ray?

9th pick in the 6th round, drafted by the Saints out of Norfolk State U in 1979. His career lasted 3 seasons with us, and in 31 games played he managed…ONE interception!

"It's about time that something good like this happened." - Drew Brees

by SaintsFanMD on Jul 7, 2010 4:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Erxleben P/K

1st rd. pick, 11th overall?, who does that sh**, and he was terrible, oh yeah John Mecom,Jr.

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Jul 7, 2010 5:20 PM CDT reply actions  

You’re blaming the OWNER for a bad pick?

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Jul 7, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Two words

Al Davis. It happens. I honestly don’t know that Mecom stuck his nose in it all that much, but it isn’t like it is an unheard of happening.

by theprogrammerman on Jul 8, 2010 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess we should start giving QBs credit for calling great plays then. After all, Peyton calls his own.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Jul 8, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

He definitely called that 3rd down play in Super Bowl 44. Ouch.

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by stujo4 on Jul 8, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

His greatest ever, imo.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Jul 8, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know who Al Davis is

but Erx, never turned into Ray Guy.

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Jul 8, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to add a couple of names.

As for punter, I would have to say Goerge Winslow. He replaced either Brian Hanson or Tommy Barnhardt after they left. He lasted only part of a season with our Saints, which is probably why Russel Erxlaben made the cut and Winslow didn’t. People Remember Erxlaben and don’t remember Winslow, who by some odd coincedence wore unifrom #9.

The next name I would like to add to the all-time worst list is an assistant coach. Even though they aren’t mentioned here, I think Danny Abramowicz as an offensive coordinator is worthy of this list. He was a pretty goos Wide Receiver when he played, but, he made Saints Football his (and Ditka’s) last year in New Orleans just downright painful to watch. I remember several times during that season, watching the games with another Saints fan saying: "What the (Bleep)!!!!! Did you see what I though I just saw?!? They didn’t really do something that stupid, did they?!? Awwww (Bleep)!!!!! I later heard from a source close to one of the players, who will remain anonomous, that Abramowicz was an idiot- that he would take forever to get the play into the huddle. I also read in Pro Football Weekly the following offseason that Abramowicz wasn’t even reading the scouting reports on the opposing teams’ defnses, and appearently, he wasn’t even reading the scouting reports on his own players- Jim Haxlet’s offensive coaches were shocked when they watched Dikta’s game film to learn that their predisessors didn’t take advantage of Ricky Williams’s running style. It certainly showed, especially when Ditka started getting upset when reporters started questioning the Saint’s play selection. No wonder the Saints only finish 3-13 that year.

by Jimmy Star 00 on Jul 7, 2010 6:34 PM CDT reply actions  

how about Dave Waymer?

kidding…

"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010

by SaintBevo on Jul 7, 2010 11:21 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

lol that would be great! Shows how awful our db’s actually have been, Waymer on the all time list for the good and the bad.

by shn_hldn on Jul 8, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remember Toi Cook...

being involved in two record-setting single-game performances by WR’s in back to back seasons. Flipper Anderson was one of the WR’s. I think Toi “Burnt Toast” Cook deserves the LVP of this squad. Although I am sure the newer generation of fans will say Jason David.

by BlackandGold4ever on Jul 8, 2010 12:55 AM CDT reply actions  

You are correct, sir. Jim Everett was picked off by Robert Massey twice in that game. Unfortunately, they didn’t have the common sense to match him up against Anderson, who went on to eat Cook alive all afternoon.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Jul 8, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

it was actually a Sunday night game

"The good news is we're gonna sign you to the roster. The bad news is you're 26 pounds overweight and I gotta fine you, and that's gonna cost you more than you'll make for the playoff game." Sean Payton to Deuce McAllister, January 2010.

by HansDat on Jul 8, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe you’re correct.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Jul 8, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

although it would have been afternoon in L.A.

"The good news is we're gonna sign you to the roster. The bad news is you're 26 pounds overweight and I gotta fine you, and that's gonna cost you more than you'll make for the playoff game." Sean Payton to Deuce McAllister, January 2010.

by HansDat on Jul 9, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

A player sooo bad you don’t remember him and his name is wrong on the team roster for 73-74. It’s Dartanian Martan. He was in on more pass plays than the opposing teams quarterback!

by grnpajohn on Jul 9, 2010 12:40 AM CDT reply actions  

and he was a Musketeer!!!

"The good news is we're gonna sign you to the roster. The bad news is you're 26 pounds overweight and I gotta fine you, and that's gonna cost you more than you'll make for the playoff game." Sean Payton to Deuce McAllister, January 2010.

by HansDat on Jul 9, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

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