Saints Already Feeling Effects From Their Decision to Pass on Retaining Mike Bell
Just this morning, Dave talked about his excitement to see how the backs not named Pierre Thomas & Reggie Bush perform this preseason. "Lynell Hamilton probably has the most to lose this training camp. With expectations for him to be the next Mike Bell, I'm most excited about seeing what he will do tomorrow night. Because of all the media hype surrounding Hill and Ivory this first week of camp, though, I'm nearly equally excited to see if either of them can beat out Hamilton." Well, now it seems Hamilton has torn his ACL and will be lost for the season. While this has not been confirmed by the team yet, ESPN analyst Adam Schefer has reported he's lost for the season, and Fletcher Mackel's training camp twitter page has confirmed the injury is very serious. I guess the Saints are regretting their decision not to match the offer sheet Mike Bell signed with the Philadelphia Eagles right about now.
You'll remember last week that I talked about the opportunity that lies ahead for P.J. Hill and Chris Ivory to make this team. Well, that opportunity is even more pronounced now. One of them, if not both, will have to step up and show they can be a reliable #3 back on this team. We all know based on last year, the #3 back will see a lot of playing time. The team will sign a veteran back now, this much is a given. We already knew they were likely going to do that based on the people they were bringing in for tryouts, but with Hamilton now lost indefinitely there is zero question that will happen. That said, you have to figure being in camp for a couple weeks is a huge advantage for the Saints' two young tailbacks over any available over the hill veteran that the Saints sign. I always felt very strongly that the Saints made a mistake letting Mike Bell go for no compensation. I also felt the Saints made a mistake not drafting a running back in the draft. I know they feel good about their ability to pick up undrafted backs, and certainly this is no slight against Hill or Ivory who both seem promising, but wouldn't you rather have some back that was drafted in the 7th round over say, Sean Canfield, right about now? The bottom line is the Saints didn't do enough in the offseason to protect themselves from something like this happening, and now they are going to have to count on P.J. Hill and/or Chris Ivory playing a prominent role in this year's offense. Either that, or the reps will increase for Thomas and Bush which will in turn increase their risk for injury. We saw the injuries mount for our backs last year as Hamilton, Bush, Thomas and Bell all were hurt at different points in the season. Quoting Payton, "you can never have enough good players at that position". Well, as far as I'm concerned he stated his case for why the Saints should have kept Mike Bell right there. I can't remember the exact numbers, but I believe the Saints lost Bell at no compensation for under $1 million. The Eagles signed him to a one year tender for just a bit more than the Saints offer. The Saints are kicking themselves now for that decision.
Now it remains to be seen who the Saints will pick up, and how much he can contribute. Ultimately, as I've already mentioned here, you have to think P.J. Hill and Chris Ivory have the leg up on any other player that comes in. I just hope Reggie and Pierre can stay healthy all season because they just got much thinner behind them.
Do you think the Saints made a mistake letting Mike Bell go?
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Yes, it was a mistake.
For all the reasons you list.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Aug 11, 2010 12:13 PM CDT reply actions
Why I'm not too worried.
Who was Mike Bell before last season? I think he scored one TD against the Lions at the end of 2008, but other than that he was an unknown commodity. He had one good year as a Bronco and was released due to attitude problems. We didn’t know what we were gonna get with him until week one against the Lions again when he filled in for an injured Pierre and easily rushed for over 100 yards. That was a surprise to me at least.
Hamilton was the same for us this year. He showed signs of good things at the end of last season and once in the playoffs with a TD. Now he’s probably gone. With that, one of the other unknown commodities could still step up and be our Mike Bell this year. If the O-line continues to block well, I’m sure either Hill, Ivory, or Betts will find the running lanes.
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by David "Satch" Kelly on Aug 11, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
“If the O-line continues to block well, I’m sure either Hill, Ivory, or Betts will find the running lanes.”
That is the real key.
Mike Bell did well in Denver b/c of their blocking scheme and blockers.
We have a different scheme, but we have good blockers.
I’m a little concerned, but not overly concerned… let’s see how we look in preseason and who we bring in, before we start to panic.
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Hindsight is a great thing... but the answer is NO
Bell wasnt exactly a picture of health last season and last I heard he got nicked in Philly right from the start. His running style doesnt eaxctly make you feel confortable that he can carry the load a full season….?
He could have been useful but either PJ or Ivory will have to fill up… and they will
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by bondcrash on Aug 11, 2010 12:19 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
More bad news: Justin Fargas just signed with the Broncos. One less option.
There’s still Betts, AP1, Toefield and a few others.
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by A DOG NAMED DEUCE on Aug 11, 2010 12:48 PM CDT reply actions
i don't think it's a huge deal.
if pierre or reggie go down, or more importantly anyone on the o-line goes down (esp. jahri or nicks) then it becomes more of an issue. you win and lose games in the trenches. i think the o-line will continue to be dominant and hill or ivory will step up
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by DeuceisLoose926 on Aug 11, 2010 1:16 PM CDT reply actions
No it wasn't a mistake
Bell was a good runner. Still may be in fact. But he wasn’t some superstar we just let go for no reason. He was a decent player who wasn’t worth paying a ton of money to hold onto. But as others pointed out, until he showed up for us, he had a few flashes of greatness and a bunch of mediocrity. And during his time with us he had exactly the same thing. Some really good games. Some not. And towards the end of the year he faded. Maybe he was just gassed. Maybe not. We’ll probably never know for sure.
Yeah maybe Photo Op is out for the year. Maybe not. We just don’t know. But even if he is, it’s not “panic” time yet. It’s truly NOT the end of the world. There are other options. Maybe one of the guys we already have will step up. Maybe we find a FA out there. Maybe we find somebody on the waiver wire on cutdown day (or mid-season). Maybe PT actually stays healthy and we don’t need anybody else. Sure none of those are guaranteed. But let’s be patient for a bit and find out a BIT more info before we throw the baby out with the bath water, OK?
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by skinnykinney on Aug 11, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
No
do we even know at this point that Bell makes the Eagles’ final squad?
There will be quality baks available before the seasons’ start. Not to worry.
As a precaution, however, neither Pierre Thomas or Reggie Bush will be playing in preseason games, participating in full contact drills, or riding in automobiles until the season starts.
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“do we even know at this point that Bell makes the Eagles’ final squad?”
He VERY likely will because of the fully guaranteed contract. If they’re going to pay him, he’d have to suck really bad for them to cut him.
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Why is Bell’s contract guaranteed? It had a semi- poison pill in it with the no-trade clause, but I don’t think it was fully guaranteed.
Bell contract
500,000 guaranteed per espn, otherwise incentive-laden
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this is really a pointless game of 20/20 hindsight
If Bell had wrecked his knee in a no-contact situation in Philly today, would we all be sitting here saying “PayLoo really knew what they were doing in letting Mike Bell go.”
PayLoo is good but not that good.
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by MobileSaint on Aug 11, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
BOOM rec'd it
That’s right. I’m not saying we should have kept Mike Bell. I’m saying we should have replaced him with someone other than PhotoOp, PJ, or Ivory. We could have had Toby Gerhart!!! GAAAA!!!
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You never know...
He just recently returned to practice/camp after missing a week due to a hamstring pull. They say that the other backs got lots of extra reps and were impressing the coaches so it could be a valid point about whether or not he makes the team. I’m not overly concerned about Hamilton’s injury, although I wish it wouldn’t have happened, of course!
"It's about time that something good like this happened." - Drew Brees
No mistake
They didn’t just “let Bell go”; they declined to match a contract offer that they felt was overpriced. Bell was good; but in the estimation of the front office, he wasn’t that good, and they felt confident they could find someone else to carry the load…just as they found Mike Bell to do that last season. So far, I’m with the front office; and I think they’ve earned the right not to be second-guessed at the first small sign of trouble in the early preseason.
It was worth the wait.
by MtnExile on Aug 11, 2010 2:03 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Well
I was going to say it was a mistake to let him go, I felt so at the time but….many of the very good points offered here and Mtn is right…I think that the front office has earned the right to not be second guessed on this…of course, that is what fans do! lol
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by Gris Gris Man on Aug 11, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
But they decided to keep Bush and his 8+ million. That earns them the right to be second guessed. IMO.
But, Bell did have 264 more yards rushing (on a lot more carries) than Bush last year….they will come up with someone….
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by Gris Gris Man on Aug 11, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
after the shoe incident during the SB
I think it just showed what a poor attitude he had. (JMHO) They were all told which shoes to put on but Bell didn’t follow orders Towards the end of the season he didn’t look to hot.
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Towards the end of the season he didn’t look to hot.
He was HURT.
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Bells hurt now
hammie, probably not too bad but hurt…
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by Gris Gris Man on Aug 11, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
how and why
Mike Bell cost us a touchdown in the superbowl. Towards the end of the season u barely even seen him in the big games.
Why is Bell even used as a reference point?
Bell is long-gone history. Was letting George Rogers go a mistake, too???
Saints just have to move on from here. No sense having a pity party and looking back to what “coulda been.”
because he was one of four running backs that play a big role in our Super Bowl run
that’s why. And this year, the Saints decided they only needed to stick with three of those four guys.
The Saints didn’t cut Bell…he left. Again, the front office believed Bell was not worth re-signing at the price Philadelphia was willing to pay. It’s not that he wasn’t a good back…it’s that he was about to become an overpriced back. Chill out, and wait for the FO to bring in the right guy. Losing a #3 back isn’t an offramp to Panic City.
It was worth the wait.
But that doesn’t annoy readers nearly as much as specific names.
We could have had Ben Tate!
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It's too bad Tebow was gone...
He would have been a GREAT short distance back lol
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We could use JaMarcus Russell.
Have Drew hand him the ball then throw a donut about 5 yards past the line of scrimmage.
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by Just 'Nother Day on Aug 12, 2010 3:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You think he'd put forth any effort to run for the donut?
He’d probably drop the ball, then just pull pull a donut out of his pocket and start chowing down. I’d bet he keeps himself well stocked. We all know where his priorities are!
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We could have had Thomas Jones… if we wanted to pay him enough money… and we all know RB-L has unlimited funds. :-)
(notice the call-back to our earlier “discussions”)
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Not a mistake
This team has done a great job of buying low and selling high. Bell was great in the early part of last season, but from week 8 on he only gained 324 yards on 108 carries (exactly 3 yards per carry). Pretty sure Ivory or Hill can give us that level of production.
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Oh yeah, remember losing
Pro-Bowler Jamal Brown last summer camp? Brees’ blind side OT. I was waaaay more concerned. His replacement did great and we won the SB. A 3rd string RB,is not your starting OT. I understand his chance to show his talents and his depth behind Reg/PT was needed this yr., but somebody will step up, or we’ll sign someone.
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Not sweating let Bell go
I liked him. He played his part. He was our #3 RB. He got alot of carries at the end of games. That’s where I valued him. He was coming in at the end of games and finishing them by getting some good runs. I think that Thomas/Bush can do that. Not a huge loss. I would’ve liked to have Hamilton there though to keep the wear and tear down on our RBs but I think we can find someone who can take about 5 carries a game and give a few more to Bush or Thomas. PT can be a power back imo.
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how in the world are people writing this stuff?injuries are apart of football!!! has nothing to do with feeling affects on passing on Mike Bell,who has’nt practice much at all with the Eagles,.doubt very seriously they regert not signing Bell.
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injuries are apart of football!!!
That’s not necessary true. Injuries are preventable. Injuries are the results of not prepping correctly, not being informed, and some time not the players fault. It used to be, back in the day, that it was allowable to have a certain number of deaths or lost time while working in construction. But today, zero deaths(lost time) is the norm in construction. The more we know and the more we are informed, the more we can prevent injuries.Not everyone gets injured so we can’t say injuries are a part of football.
Guess we will have to see
if this is a bad thing or not. Won’t know until the replacement/season.
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