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New Orleans Saints 24 @ New England Patriots 27: The Morning After

Well, that wasn't very pretty. Certainly not what I would have expected from a proven football team like the Saints that has remained mostly in tact following a championship year. Both the Saints first team offense and defense came out disappointingly flat.

From a big picture standpoint it's only important that the Saints move on from this game a better team with a clearer vision of what they need to do the rest of the way. The final score certainly doesn't matter. Nothing to get bent out of shape over so let's not start panicking just yet. Besides, it wasn't all bad. A couple of players really stood out and surprised. 

Since there's no overall meaning or importance behind this game let's finish up this lame introduction and just get right into the details, bullet style. Make the jump...

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  • Leave it to Beaver. The Beav. Eager Beaver. Beavers and Butthead. Nice Beaver. Thank you, I just had it stuf - Sorry! I'm just getting out all of my cheesy Larry Beavers references now so you won't have to worry about me using them throughout the season if he continues returning kickoffs for touchdowns like he did tonight. Larry stole the show and instantly made a name for himself with his impressive cutbacks and maneuvers. It wasn't all sunshine and rainbows for Beavers, though. In reality he probably broke even on the night after he muffed a punt - fortunately he recovered it - and did nothing in the receiving department. I still think he'll need to do more to make the final roster at his position. 
  • The first team offense had a hard time getting into rhythm early in the game. So much so that they all stayed in the game well into the second quarter just to get something going with a Reggie Bush touchdown and to be sure to leave on a positive note. 
  • Okay, I'm officially on the Junior Galette bandwagon now. Sign me up. That guy just doesn't quit. The announcers mentioned him numerous times throughout the game and when I finally focused on him for a few plays, he would just lock in on whoever had the ball and go into attack mode. If I get a chance to re-watch this game, I will definitely follow him more closely. 
  • In the running back battle between Chris Ivory and P.J. Hill, Ivory currently has the advantage. Both had thirty yards rushing but Ivory did it with three less carries and also notched a touchdown. I think I also just prefer his running style more. I'm excited about watching him in the next three games; hopefully this is just the beginning. 
  • The man who expects nothing will never be disappointed. With my expectations set so low for the backup quarterbacks, I was pleasantly surprised by the performances of both Ramsey and Daniel. They weren't amazing by any means but the mistakes seemed limited. The Ramsey/Arrington connection in particular was nice to see. I still don't think either has a clear advantage in the competition for the No. 2 spot but if anyone I guess it would be Ramsey. Roll Wave!
  • The good news is that Thomas Morstead is going to be fine. But he had us all worried after making a tackle on his first punt of the 2010 season, landing hard on his shoulder and sitting out the rest of the game. No need to be a cowboy out there and risk your season during a meaningless pre-season game, Thomas! Interestingly enough, Garrett Hartley boomed his first punt in relief duty a whopping 55 yards. Also good to know.
  • After all that Jimmy Graham hype all we got from him last night was one catch for six yards. Boo! I'm still waiting. And speaking of no-shows, where was my boy Rod Harper? I don't think he was part of the gameplan for the night.
  • So far so good for Adrian Arrington who led all Saints receivers with 87 yards including a sweet 51-yard catch and run from Patrick Ramsey. What we saw last night is a positive sign and exactly what we all expect from AA by now. All he has to do now is stay healthy and keep doing more of the same. Then maybe our wild fantasies of Colston, Meachem and Arrington lined up together will come true! Can and will he do it? 
  • How about the performance of Jonathan Casillas last night? He led the game in tackles with ten and also had a sack; definitely took a huge step in the right direction. Could he give Jo-Lonn Dunbar a run for his money?
  • Run defense still sucks. Bah!
  • Other than the blocking and running on the Beave's one kickoff return I would say the Saints special teams was crap. Devin McCourty, a rookie playing in his first game ever, put together two quality returns. Also in the department of crap was the weak tackling. All of it needs to be cleaned up.  
  • Patriots receiver Julian Edelman was probably the top performer of the night. He was carving up the Saints defense consistently, finishing the night with 90 yards on six receptions. Oh, he also had a 40-yard punt return. Nice job special teams. 
Poll
Who was the Saints players of the game?
Larry Beavers
83 votes
Adrian Arrington
88 votes
Jonathan Casillas
190 votes
Chris Ivory
20 votes
Junior Galette
80 votes

461 votes | Poll has closed

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I haven't watched the whole game yet, but the first team offense did look flat.

At least until the third possesion then things started to click. Reggie Bush had some nice runs and effort on that drive. Shockey looked good and so did Wendys. The defense wasn’t great. Our secondary didn’t have their best night. Greer got juked pretty good from Welker Jr. out there. The run defense needs to improve some. I hate to put to much emphasis on preseason, because we never know how the coaches are dialing up the plays. I would like to think we are keeping it pretty vanilla out there, but I also had that thought for the 2007 and 2008 season. It would be interesting to see what we thought about the preseason games last year and compare to this year.

by rustdog74 on Aug 13, 2010 6:59 AM CDT reply actions  

2 things

1. Casillas is a strong side backer and he plays Shanle’s position. I don’t think the Saints are considering him at weakside where Dunbar plays at this time. I think the guy that has to be worried about Casillas’ play is Shanle, not Dunbar.

2. Rod Harper has an injured hip. I don’t think he was active in the game.

by Andrew Juge on Aug 13, 2010 7:07 AM CDT reply actions  

I get confused on the positional roles of the SLB and WLB

I have been working under the impression that they both have very similiar roles.
I know that their roles are similiar to a certain extent. What is the difference between the two? Does one side play the run more than the pass and vice versa?

"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44

by jeremysherwin on Aug 13, 2010 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

The strong side is the side with the tight end, so the strong side linebacker is going to have to be able to cover that TE more often. So the SLB has to be more well rounded between run stopping and pass coverage while the WLB can be involved in more blitzes.

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Aug 13, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Andrew you're right

But in training camp I just view them all as one, interchangeable position. That may not be how the Saints view it, but I do. I think they would just go with the best players. I’ve also always lumped Casillas and Dunbar together for some reason.

And I don’t think anyone will be unseating Shanle. He will always be the starter as long as he’s healthy. My opinion.

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by Dave Cariello on Aug 13, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was also impressed with Junior's work.

This guy is lightning fast and hits like an eighteen wheeler. The most impressive down he played is when the patriots ran the ball between their right tackles. GW sent Junior blitzing off the QB right side, after the runner got about 4-5 yards down field Junior caught the SOB. I think this happened in the 4th quarter.

Hopefully we all can agree that Pierson Prioleau is horrible, and there is no chance in hell he would make the final roster.

Jonathan Casilas appeared to be one of the few players that could actually wrap up when tackling. Why is so hard for other people?

Larry Beavers had a good Kickoff return for a touchdown, however I would rather see him fully catch the ball and get 5-10 yards on the punt return, rather than have a return for a TD.

What is the deal with special teams? I know it is not the talent. The talent is there we all know that. I am starting to wonder if the special teams coordinator needs to come up with different blocking and covering schemes, because it appears every team in the league knows how to exploit our special teams defense. The NFL took away the wedge formation, I would think it would be easier to cover knowing they could not wedge a kickoff or punt return.

Pierre Thomas had a solid game. He was giving 110% the entire time he was in play. Most memorable play was the flat pass neat the goaline.

Drew Brees: I did not see that many 3 WR+1 TE sets in the game. I am actually beginning to think that Robert Meachum is the missing piece of this forumla.

Reggie Bush: STOP JUMP DIVING OVER PLAYERS. As soon as he got hit I had a sick feeling in my stomach.

My player of the game:
Garret Hartley: he did not miss any FG or PAT, in addition he proved that he can serve dual purposes. He does a solid job in punting, and a decent job in kickoffs. If you were like me, when you saw Thomas Morestead go down, your heart skipped a couple beats. I was thinking what the hell are we going to do now. Hartley pulled through, and is not that half bad.

"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44

by jeremysherwin on Aug 13, 2010 7:15 AM CDT reply actions  

Casilas, Arrington, Galette

These guys looked great! I also thought Ramsey is a good improvement over that old guy we had last year.

The new runningbacks, Hill and Ivory, both looked pretty good. They don’t run like the bowling ball that is Mike Bell. But I think they could be as good as Bell if they can stay hungry and run hard all year.

I agree that Meachum is a missing piece.

I was disappointed at the dropped balls. Pathetic effort. That and the tackling was atrocious. I was disappointed at the cornerback and safety play. I was impressed by the linebackers.

Dunbar looks like he could be good but he’s not there yet. If Casilas improves from here….wow! Keeping fingers crossed.

by xen-cuts on Aug 13, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

the special teams has been bad last year and looks awful this year already. It’s just the tackling and blocking schemes. I don’t know why we suck but we do.

by xen-cuts on Aug 13, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't sweat your special teams all that much.

They scrimmaged special teams – full go – for three days straight in Foxboro. They each found some weaknesses and I’m sure both teams will improve going forward. I really loved the two team practice. I think both teams got to see many more reps on their 80 man before they have to make the tough cuts. Nothing like a real opponent, and a quality one at that.

The Saints were very classy in and out of practice. They set the bar pretty high. We do they same thing with the Falcons next week, and hopefully it will be more of the same.

Good luck to you all on the season, and glad to hear your punter will be OK. Injuries suck, but pre-season injuries seem especially pointless.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 13, 2010 7:31 AM CDT reply actions  

you are probally right. I could have been a lot worse.

We could have lost to the Raiders.

"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44

by jeremysherwin on Aug 13, 2010 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

After this week, I’ve actually become somewhat of a Patriots fan. Never thought that would ever happen. Good luck to you guys and I hope you’re able to bring Rex down a few notches this year.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Aug 13, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

After this week, I’ve actually become somewhat of a Patriots fan

GAAAAAA

by shn_hldn on Aug 13, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

It would be nice to let out some of Rex's hot air

but I don’t think that’s what he’s full of….

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 13, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well let out some of both then. Whatever it takes to deflate the fat toad.

by FriarBob on Aug 13, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

so how come do you dont post comments @ pp

dont like us anymore Illnoisss?
lol

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by NinjaZX6R on Aug 13, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's simple, Ninja, PatsPulpit is the hardest blog to walk away from.

I can pop into any of these other blogs and feel pretty good that I’ll be able to walk away again. I like too many people on the Pulpit and it burns way too much of my time. I hate feeling like I’m walking out on people, but I’m still working two jobs and want to spend time with my family. My main job is going to be intense until around November. I’ll get some relief on the TKD thing in September. We’ll see how things go. Thanks for asking, Ninja.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 13, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

lmfao @ your drama causing self.

saw him @ the saints site today
and he doesn’t stop by here….i say you ban him again lol
You need to be banned with that bs. Why are you out trying to get people banned from PP because they post on other SB Nation blogs? You are pathetic. It’s people like you that people like us have to fight for all of our freedoms.

by shn_hldn on Aug 13, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's just kidding around

not serious at all.

It was a great week up here with the Saints in town though, and I hope the two teams do it again next year. I was lucky enough to get to two of the three joint practices and it was pretty cool. The Saints fans we spoke to who made it up here were great too. It’s all good.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 13, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

It’s people like you that people like us have to fight for all of our freedoms.

first off, i’m in the army.
second, i have no idea how you can misinterpret my post as an attack on a fellow blogger when i ended my statements w. LOL

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by NinjaZX6R on Aug 14, 2010 3:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let it go Ninja,

you’re all good here. I’m just glad all you Patriot fans we have met (both of you) are cool and nice.

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by maybetoday on Aug 14, 2010 5:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think

Our pass defense was a lot worse than our run D. They were the ones leaving the patriot WRs with so much space and giving up big chunks of yards. Our Run D held up well, forcing the Pats to kick their first trip in red zone.

Graham kind of unimpressed me. Seems like he just needs to get more applicated to the game. He doesn’t seem comfortable out there and is still dropping the occasional ball.

Overall I think their first string outplayed ours. Everytime we tried to throw out guys were covered well and Drew had to fit it in there. Whereas Brady’s targets were enjoying no tight coverage from DBs. They also seemed to be pressuring Drew more than we got to Brady. Lets fix that guys.

Reggie looked good. Still got the speed and quickness! Pierre also looked good, grinding plays out.

by ReggieVilma on Aug 13, 2010 8:20 AM CDT reply actions  

And I think it should be noted

that P.J. Hill did not look bad. He did slightly better than I expected. Ivory looked a little better, with a little longer runs and a score. But keep in mind that Ivory’s carries came in later in the game when the patriots had their 3rd string and lower level players in. Hill played earlier in the game so he prolly faced a little stiffer competition. This is just to keep in mind. Anyway, I liked what I saw out of both.

by ReggieVilma on Aug 13, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Even when Hill Fumbled?

by shn_hldn on Aug 13, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haha. Woops

I forgot about that. But his running looked solid. If he doesn’t fumble again this preseason then no worries. I remember Hill had a pretty good preseason last year too.

by ReggieVilma on Aug 15, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tusk!

Son, don't wait till the break of day
'Cause you know how time fades away.

by stujo4 on Aug 13, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Y'all gotta remember something....

It is abnormal to see anything but a basic defense in the preseason, let alone the first game of the preseason. Minimal blitzing from the Saints. The Pats on the other hand blitzed quite often which is the opposite of what they did last year. Its hard to take any stock in this game. The purpose is for the coaches to evaluate the 2’s and 3’s, that’s it. If any preseason game means anything it will be the third one, other than that, just worry about September 9th.

by Jimmmie on Aug 13, 2010 8:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Right on

No need to worry yet. It was all about evaluating talent last night. Do people really think that Gregg Williams was gonna show all his cards in a meaningless preseason game? My hunch is he’s luring the Vikings into believing we’ve lost a step only to spring the trap on them Sept. 9th. Well, that and he didn’t really care about winning last night. He just wanted to see how his guys perform.

It’s great to hear that Morstead is OK.

For those disappointed by last night’s performance, remember that everything looked pretty bad last year in our first preseason game against the Bengals. It looked like we couldn’t run the ball and everyone got all worried about it. Once the season started….well, you know the rest of the story.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Aug 13, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was really impressed at the difference between real season and pre-season greg williams showed last year

i don’t really understand how or why there was so much difference.

And based on that…that it was only preseason…I was actually kind of impressed with the run defense.

by xen-cuts on Aug 13, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yea

Run D held up well for all the bad situations they were put in by the Pass D letting the pats get to the goal line

by ReggieVilma on Aug 15, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly!

I would be worried if I saw my team going all-out in a preseason game, and showing all of their plays and weapons. How many times do we see a team that does gangbusters in preseason winning all or most of their games only to come out and discover that their regular season opponents seem to have them figured out, causing them to perform poorly and win few games? I know for a fact that I’ve seen that happen!

Often, the teams that seem to do poorly in the preseason perform well in the regular season while those that do well in the preseason don’t do as well when it counts. Of course, there are some exceptions to that rule…like the 2009 Saints!

"It's about time that something good like this happened." - Drew Brees

by SaintsFanMD on Aug 13, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's exactly what I was thinking

No need to panic. Sean Payton certainly isn’t goin to open up the offense in the first preseason game, so naturally they looked a little flat. Also, defensively, Gregg Williams isn’t going to dial up blitzes or run complicated coverages in preseason either. Keep it simple in preseason. Granted, I hope the offense plays a little better next week, but I’m not worried about this one.

Also, I was extremely impressed with Junior Galette, Jonathan Casillas, Chris Ivory, and Adrian Arrington. I was also impressed with both our backup quarterbacks. That is shaping up to be a very interesting battle

Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!

by mknkachow on Aug 13, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

anybody wonder when our 1st round draft choice will show up.

I distinctly remember very poor play from Patrick Robinson. Seemed like he was caught just out of position each time the ball was near him and he never learned how to tackle properly in little league football or something or just totally forgot how to tackle because he sucked in that area. Now grant you the whole team seemed to forget how to tackle properly last night but for a rookie 1st rounder trying to make a good impression, he was really bad.

by narco301 on Aug 13, 2010 8:42 AM CDT reply actions  

He almost had a pick in the 4th.

by shn_hldn on Aug 13, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

he looked lightning fast on some blitzes that got picked up. If the pats had any mis-q’s on protection he would have hit the qb within 2 seconds.

by xen-cuts on Aug 13, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Junior Galette

He defiantly improved his chances of making the team. He has been having a good camp, and he was on fire last night. If the Saints cut him I am sure someone else will pick him up.

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by DrWhoDat on Aug 13, 2010 9:11 AM CDT reply actions  

I hope the Saints don’t cut him. He looked good last nite.

by shn_hldn on Aug 13, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Casillas

Not even close. 10 tackles and a sack. He was all over the place.

Gallette played well too.

WHO DAT

by pukenbowl on Aug 13, 2010 9:19 AM CDT reply actions  

but at times he seemed lost and blocked his own players.

by shn_hldn on Aug 13, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

about Arrington

Dropped sure TD on goal line. Then missed a block on QB bootleg. But before that, when he did get that long pass, looked like he was hobbling down the field. IMO he done nothing to make the team.

by shn_hldn on Aug 13, 2010 9:30 AM CDT reply actions  

ive heard so many people talking about arrington here and on saints report

and have yet to see something that will make me believe he should get a roster spot.

NEVER QUIT!

by DrewBreesManCrush on Aug 13, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well if he holds onto the ball for td and makes that block, I don’t see how the Saints don’t keep him on the team. But to miss a simple block like that, IDK?

by shn_hldn on Aug 13, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also, with Hill fumbling near the goal line, I expect for us to be looking for a short yardage back.

by shn_hldn on Aug 13, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Gay played OK he jumped some routes and broke up a pass or two.

by shn_hldn on Aug 13, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

he did, and i like gay

but i think we need a rb more

NEVER QUIT!

by DrewBreesManCrush on Aug 13, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Willis McGahee???

Are you just wishing, or is there real possibility there?

Source?

-

That would be awesome!

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by Dan Kelly on Aug 13, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

wow!

rotoworld.com

The Baltimore Sun suggests the Ravens could be willing to trade Willis McGahee because of their “growing confidence” in Jalen Parmele.

This appears to be speculation-based as opposed to a report that McGahee is on the block. Parmele has just seven rushing attempts in his two years in the NFL, but he does have the backing of coordinator Cam Cameron. He also had a promising speed score coming out of Toledo in 2008. Expect him to make the team as the No. 3 back and kickoff returner.

But…

Jalen Parmele carried the ball seven times for -7 yards against the Panthers in Thursday’s preseason opener.

He couldn’t even run the ball when the Ravens went to a jumbo set, and he ended up losing a fumble that was returned for a touchdown. That performance isn’t going to leave a potential Super Bowl contender comfortable shopping Willis McGahee.

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by Dan Kelly on Aug 13, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

HOLD THE PHONE!!!

(from the same page)

According to Yahoo Sports’ Charles Robinson, a “Pro Bowl running back” is on the trading block to the point where talks have already begun with a team outside the division.

Though Robinson can’t reveal the player or team yet, he did say it won’t be a “shocking” deal and it doesn’t involve Marion Barber. Possibilities include Marshawn Lynch (2008), Ronnie Brown (2008), Clinton Portis (2008), DeAngelo Williams (2009), and Willis McGahee (2007). Our best guess is Marshawn Lynch, possibly with a trade back to California and the Chargers.

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by Dan Kelly on Aug 13, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t imagine that he would be… RW was just listing the PB RB’s that might be ‘on the block’… and they said Lynch is the most likely candidate…

But the Baltimore Sun said Willis might be out there, so… there’s hope.

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by Dan Kelly on Aug 13, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

not interested in lynch or portis…. i would love ronnie brown or deangelo (but there is no way either is going to happen) so mcgahee is the only hope.

NEVER QUIT!

by DrewBreesManCrush on Aug 13, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dan,
According to Yahoo Sports’ Charles Robinson, a "Pro Bowl running back" is on the trading block to the point where talks have already begun with a team outside the division.

Though Robinson can’t reveal the player or team yet, he did say it won’t be a "shocking" deal and it doesn’t involve Marion Barber. Possibilities include Marshawn Lynch (2008), Ronnie Brown (2008), Clinton Portis (2008), DeAngelo Williams (2009), and Willis McGahee (2007). Our best guess is Marshawn Lynch, possibly with a trade back to California and the Chargers.

That is a Charles Robinson from yahoo.com tweet back in April

"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44

by jeremysherwin on Aug 13, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol can we hang the phone up now?

by shn_hldn on Aug 13, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

April!???

Rotoworld wouldn’t print something that old as new news, would they?

GAAAAA!!! :-)

But, none of htem has been traded yet, so maybe they’re still “in talks”…. but, then that would make the team ‘in talks’ someone other than the Saints.

GRRRR!!!

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by Dan Kelly on Aug 13, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats the spirit!

I would love McGahee to come to the Saints. It would probally take a CB Roman Harper and maybe a draft pick to get him.

"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44

by jeremysherwin on Aug 13, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

speaking of CB… Jamie Dukes said one possible landing spot for Darrelle Revis is the Saints. WHAT!?!?

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by Dan Kelly on Aug 13, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

No way in HELL will that happen.

Doesn’t fit Loomis’s M.O.
That to me is just as likely as the saints grabbing T.O. or Haynesworth 2 months ago.

"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44

by jeremysherwin on Aug 13, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

no way... i know

more than the MO… the m-o-n-e-y.

He wants to be overpaid, and knows it.

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by Dan Kelly on Aug 13, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think he's eligible for the practice squad anymore

I think he either makes the team or he doesn’t. That’s it.

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by Dave Cariello on Aug 13, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think he still is

He spent his first season on IR and the second on the practice squad. And I dont think he has played in nine games yet

But how about trading him for a RB…

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by bondcrash on Aug 13, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I tried finding that article on rotoworld and I could not.

Could you post a link DK?

"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44

by jeremysherwin on Aug 13, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

He did its right under WOW. But here is the link.

by shn_hldn on Aug 13, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks… I was off playiung Madden… getting my butt kicked on All-Madden. It was BAD, but I didn’t get shutout.

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by Dan Kelly on Aug 13, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Update on RB situation

Charles Robinson twitter:

Per questions, yes, I did determine the former Pro Bowl RB that is on the block. However, the 2 teams involved R not in the same division.

It would make sense that the saints were interested.

"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44

by jeremysherwin on Aug 13, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was he hobbling or is that how he runs? It sure looked strange all night long. Looked like he had a corn cob somewhere…

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by Ponysaints on Aug 13, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like he had a hitch in his giddy up.

by shn_hldn on Aug 13, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry for the other day man, I was clearly out of line.

"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44

by jeremysherwin on Aug 13, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

back from vacation

jr looked good, i def noticed his motor. beavers took one to the house and then followed it up with a muff (cut)!?!?! i wouldn’t get too worried about how the first team played. one of our biggest strengths as a team is game planning (which doesn’t exist in preseason)

NEVER QUIT!

by DrewBreesManCrush on Aug 13, 2010 9:30 AM CDT reply actions  

I liked Gallete.

Raw he may be, but that type of motor can’t be taught. Everytime I looked for him he was running, running, and running hard.

Casillas looked good too. Always in the thick of things. Troy Evans better watch his back.

And I actually ended up liking Chase Daniel. Alot. Arrington dropped a sure touchdown on one of his throws, and then I believe it was Arrington again who threw and awful block the next play on the bootleg, where he was stopped short. The interception wasn’t his fault either, beautiful pass that got jarred loose.

Chase seemed to have good zip on his passes, and most of them were on target. There were a few a little low to TE’s in the flat, but the rest looked good. If we carry 3 QB’s, I’d probably want Daniel as the third.

by Jabbadahut99 on Aug 13, 2010 9:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Some observations and grades regarding last night.

Let us start with the pooper section shall we?

Our first team offense was absolutely horrid. We came away with 7 points on 3 possessions but should have been 0 as we went for it on 4th down instead of punting or going for a 57+ yard field goal. Brees was a little off on his accuracy, but even then he had two clear drops. The offensive line was pretty much playing like it was a game of touch football and the only word to describe it would be a sieve. Our first string running backs were also not exactly running strong. I recall quite clearly where there was a running lane to the right, a running lane to the left, and Bush decided to run forward into Goodwin and proceed to stand there til the holes closed and he got tackled. Bush has great eyes in space, but seems to really have trouble finding legit holes when he’s behind the line of scrimmage. A positive note would be the brief play of Shockey and Lance Moore. Shockey looks to be in great shape and catching and running with authority, let’s hope he stays healthy. Moore looked good in brief duty finding those soft holes in the slot that we became accustomed to, two years ago. Over all grade – Solid D Minus.

Not to be out done was the play of our first string defense. Which i will simply categorize as a huge non-effort. Our run defense seemed to be playing as usual, and by that i mean not at all. It’s hard for me to be upset at our terrible D-back play considering Brady could have taken cat naps after most snaps and still wouldn’t have been touched. Grade – Solid F.

Special Teams Coverage – yea let’s not go there.

Ok, enough of the bitching, let’s get to some things to look forward to and improvement. Casillas had a very strong outing. He was all over the place with double digit tackles in obvious limited duty. The only thing I’d take back is he didn’t wow me with his tackles or make big plays. He was simply incredibly steady. He keeps this up he’ll be the day one SLB.

Adrian Arrington. Made some solid plays and looked good for potentially the first time ever. If it wasn’t for the dropped ball in the endzone he very well might have been the player of the night for the most part. Still a sold outing.

As Stu would say, Tusk out-shined the pajama man. Equal yards on fewer carries for Tusk as well as a TD versus a fumble for pajama man. Move him up to the second string so we can see what he does with a bit more playing time next week.

DeMario Pressley actually looked pretty good in back up DT role. 5 tackles and a sack in limited duty is huge for an interior lineman.

Beavers – Sorry…not as high on him as some. Yes he had a great return for a TD…but you do not follow that up with a muffed punt.

That pretty much leads us the the baby boy we’ll call Junior. Guy dominated against the third stringers, no doubt about that. GW needs to give him the nod and move him up against the second stringers next time instead of Charleston. See what the boy can do against a slightly upgraded level of competition. Considering the gaggle of mediocrity we have at DE behind Smith, it should be fun to watch a hungry kid battle for the spot.

Ok, overall what did we expect shrug. Obviously our offense will get better and eventually click. You don’t lose 0 starters then suddenly forget how to be the number 1 offense again. More than anything, let’s hope our offensive linemen get their feet under themselves a little better and stop missing blocks that give free runs at Brees. It’ll happen…let’s just hope it happens before he gets nailed full bore. Unfortunately the two biggest worries I had about our defense still clearly showed through last night on first team. No ability to get pressure on the QB with our front 4 and a clear inability to stop the run. Again, it’s the first preseason game….guess i had my hopes up for much more considering the problems they’ve supposedly been causing in camp. Is this simply GW and players not tipping hands due to a preseason game? Or players simply playing with a lack of effort at the moment?

Well first one’s in the books. Again it’s preseason, can’t take too much out of it, especially the play of the first teams in all honesty. It’s the guys battling for roster spots that mattered most in these early games, and looks like we have a few to keep an eye out on. Let’s hope for steady improvement and enjoy the fun.

on a parting note….what happened to Arnoux and Vaughn? Pretty much felt like no shows.

by jeff.l.b on Aug 13, 2010 10:14 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

I thought Moore was just so-so. Nice route running 2 YARDS SHORT OF THE FIRST DOWN MARKER. WTF.

by xen-cuts on Aug 13, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was a crossing route where he had to play under the coverage. If he doesn’t do that, the DB gets inside position and his route is a wash. The only thing you can do there is exactly what he did, cut the coverage, get to your spot, and hope you can break enough of a tackle to get the first down.

by jeff.l.b on Aug 13, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or make a move to at least try to get the defender out of position on the line. I know the defense isn’t completely stupid but I just want some magic from Moore. Happy to see him catching the ball okay and running like he used to.

by xen-cuts on Aug 13, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd ya jeff
Beavers – Sorry…not as high on him as some. Yes he had a great return for a TD…but you do not follow that up with a muffed punt

That is exactly how I feel about the situation.

"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44

by jeremysherwin on Aug 13, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Special Teams Coverage – yea let’s not go there.

in defense of special teams, it did look like Chris Reis was blocked in the back right before he whiffed on tackling Edelman on that first punt return.

by shn_hldn on Aug 13, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Giving Beavers an excuse....

The muffed punt (that he recovered) was a bad mistake, but I think it was also partially a ‘first game jitters’ incident. He undoubtedly didn’t have his full concentration on the ball, as he ran to the location at the last minute, but I think he’ll get better with practice. If I had just scored a TD on the biggest stage of my life, a career-altering play, I’d be a little distracted. Again, it’s preseason game one. These mental mistakes can happen.
But my main point is….

Did anyone else notice that Zoltan Mesko kicks with his left foot?
I know Morstead is right-footed, and if I remember correctly, I believe punting machines are usually the same as a right-footer. That is, the left wheel tilts up with the right being stationary, which makes it spiral clockwise. Mesko’s ball would’ve been rotating counter-clockwise.

Catching a punt is tricky enough, but a lefty is that much more difficult. Especially if all you practiced with tails off in the opposite direction.

For now, I give him a mulligan.

Finished Strong.

by Baggs5 on Aug 13, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree Jeff

My only concern seems to be our lack of tackling…we constantly dove at the others legs instead of wrapping up and taking them down. I’ll also add that for some reason I feel much better about our back-up QB position than I did last year. But heaven help us if Brees’ goes down.

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by maybetoday on Aug 14, 2010 5:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pre Reply

the first time. They were put in bad situations by the pass D.

by ReggieVilma on Aug 15, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Garrett Hartley

was definitely the player of the game, taking over the punting duties and ending with a 47 yd average on 5 punts with no blocks and 1 downed inside the 20. He also was 3/3 on pat’s and 1/1 on his lone field goal attempt. I think he have us a long-term kicker!

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by Cajun in CA on Aug 13, 2010 10:15 AM CDT reply actions  

Hartley is just a great player

So happy we got him on the team. He’s doing stuff that others couldn’t handle.

by xen-cuts on Aug 13, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

He also...

muffed a punt for maybe 25 yards, punted one well into the endzone instead of angling or hitting it high, and only had one kickoff that went past the 10. Yes, he did a very good job, but it made me appreciate how lucky we are to have Moorstead handling kickoff duties.

Granted, that’s not his job description, but I wouldn’t call him player of the game. That’d be Casillas.
And like jeremysherwin said, Prioleau was absolutely lost out there. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s cut today.

Finished Strong.

by Baggs5 on Aug 13, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Casillas played lost on several plays, also. He even blocked Vilma on a couple of running plays. But he did play coverage OK and had a nice hit on a receiver for little or no gain.

by shn_hldn on Aug 13, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also, Casillas had some nice goal line stops.

by shn_hldn on Aug 13, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

i like harley

i think he is a product of the culture that drew and sp developed for the saints. he gets it, and realizes that he will do whatever it takes for this team.

NEVER QUIT!

by DrewBreesManCrush on Aug 13, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jimmy Grahm

not that impressive. I’m so sick of hearing how he’s “the next antonio gates.” Gates is great and all but I’ll settle for Graham just not sucking and dropping balls like he did last night.

Was his blocking any good? I didn’t pay enough attention.

David Thomas and hopefully Shocker will hold down fort this season I guess. Just praying Shocker doesn’t get injured yet again.

by xen-cuts on Aug 13, 2010 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

people compare him to gates

cause they were both basketball players… i think it is too early to tell if he will be good or not.

NEVER QUIT!

by DrewBreesManCrush on Aug 13, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

JG

and I have been really high on this guy…he sure didn’t show much good last night or the last couple of days in practice…I am dissapointed and maybe way too optimistic about this guy…

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by Gris Gris Man on Aug 13, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just an observation

But we did win TOP 31:06 mins to 28:56. mins Also, we had 21 first downs compared to pats 20.

by shn_hldn on Aug 13, 2010 10:28 AM CDT reply actions  

:-D

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by Dan Kelly on Aug 13, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought that’s what we was playing for after all the TOP discussions. LOL

by shn_hldn on Aug 13, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

where's pizza?

that comment was calling his name… rec’d

NEVER QUIT!

by DrewBreesManCrush on Aug 13, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I heard he went to the game yesterday.

by shn_hldn on Aug 13, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

LMFAO!!!!

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

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by Just 'Nother Day on Aug 13, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did anyone else see

Al woods get stood up by Maroney?

by shn_hldn on Aug 13, 2010 10:42 AM CDT reply actions  

he really did not impress me that much either.

"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44

by jeremysherwin on Aug 13, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

NFL network showing

replay of Saints-Pats game @ 11:30 a.m. CST.

by shn_hldn on Aug 13, 2010 11:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Glen Coffee missing from 49ers training camp... conspiracy theory could say that....

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by bondcrash on Aug 13, 2010 12:36 PM CDT reply actions  

It turns out that Glen Coffee, backup RB after Gore, aged 26, has just retired from the game… which mean there is another team in need of a RB in a hurry…

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by bondcrash on Aug 13, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I heard he got embarassed (getting chewed out or something along those lines)

And basically threw a hissy fit. He’ll probably be back if Singletary sits down and talks to him.

by ReggieVilma on Aug 15, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ramsey

Whew, I thought he played well and moved the offense with command, makes me a lot more relaxed that he showed us something…

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by Gris Gris Man on Aug 13, 2010 12:52 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Chase played well

But I wasnt that impressed with Ramsey I dont think he has the arm stregnth we need
I also thought Chris Ivory looked much better then P J Hill
I thought Porter came out looking lazy and not wanting to be there.
And our 1st string O line looked flat footed in pass protection.

World Champions at last

by mississippisaintsfan on Aug 13, 2010 1:22 PM CDT reply actions  

On 2cd thought, silver lining

  My first thought was to agree with the previously expressed opinion that Morestead was an idiot to get hurt stopping a meaningless pre-season TD. Upon reflection, though, maybe we are better off with players who want to compete and win all the time, not some self-satisfied SB winners. You either care or you don’t.

"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds" -Bob Marley

by PanheadCatahoula on Aug 13, 2010 5:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Did you see Hartley

He kept trying to make tackles once he started punting i kept yelling at the screen for him to get out of the way

World Champions at last

by mississippisaintsfan on Aug 13, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was right there with you

I was like “did you just see what happened?”

by ReggieVilma on Aug 15, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Upon further review...

The muffed punt by Beavers [giggles] was Fair Catch Interference.

He clearly called for a fair catch, yet the defender nearly ran into him, was in his alotted area when the ball arrived and interfered with the fair catch.

..It’s pre-season for the refs too. :-)

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by Dan Kelly on Aug 13, 2010 6:33 PM CDT reply actions  

“muffed punt by Beavers”…

see what I did there? :-D

(I crack myself up… You’d think I was 13 or something.)

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by Dan Kelly on Aug 13, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol @ crack hahahaha

by shn_hldn on Aug 13, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

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