Opinion: Saints Fans Shouldn't Forget About Clint Ingram
by Dave Cariello on Aug 19, 2010 6:00 AM CDT
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PrintI'm just full of opinions this week, aren't I? Actually, I meant to bring this topic up for discussion the other day while everyone was crazy for Casillas and the team promoted him to starting WLB, moving Scott Shanle to Fujita's former position on the strong side, but for some reason it slipped my mind. I hope I'm not too late. Haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else yet.
It seems Saints fans keep forgetting to throw Clint Ingram's name into the mix when discussing the competition at linebacker. Ingram and Darren Sharper are the only two players remaining on the PUP list and haven't played a down during training camp yet so it's easy to understand why. But I'm still optimistic and excited about what Ingram can bring to the table and think we're all in for a pleasant surprise upon his return. The question, however, is: Where does he fit in when he gets back?
Remember that when the Saints signed Clint Ingram this past May, the expectation was that he was to replace Scott Fujita on the strong side. That's the side he's most comfortable playing and the one he's played most of his professional career. Only last year did he play the weak side and that only led to a disappointing season and the free agent market.
But with the recent linebacker switch-a-roo, Ingram is now competing against Shanle and Jo-Lonn Dunbar on that strong side when he returns. It means the Saints will have some good depth and competition there. It also means Dunbar might have a tougher road to make the final roster. However, it arguably leaves the Saints with less talent on the weak side. Who's left to battle with Casillas? Stanley Arnoux and Anthony Waters have been unimpressive thus far. Troy Evans might be the only real threat but he's just around for his special teams work.
Unlike some Saints fans, I'm still not sold on Casillas. Sure he looked great last week but I have serious doubts whether he can maintain that level. I hope to be proven wrong. But if I am correct, it would seem to make more sense to move Ingram over to the weak side as well (even though he struggled there last season) to compete with the unproven Casillas. Shanle has proven enough over the years and earning a starting spot over him seems highly unlikely for Ingram. Many men have tried over the years, none have succeeded. And with all the rhetoric from Gregg Williams about how underrated Shanle is, his position seems pretty solidified. If Casillas truly does have what it takes to be a starter in the NFL, he'll beat out Ingram. If he doesn't, that will leave the Saints with their best three starters on the field in Shanle/Vilma/Ingram. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Perhaps there is no move planned for Ingram and switching Shanle to the strong side means the Saints don't have as much confidence in Ingram and his recovery as they once had. He's already shown that he's got what it takes to be a starting linebacker in the NFL and we can only assume that having coached Ingram in the past, Gregg Williams saw something he really liked. Again, the initial intention was to have Ingram start in place of Fujita. But does this switch mean the Saints now only view him as a rotational role player? Or was that always plan from the beginning?
So how do you think the linebacker battle is going to shake out this training camp and where does Clint Ingram fit into all of it?
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in thinking that they most likely will keep Ingram on the strong side. While he may have struggled last year, it was his first year on that side and it was obviously would have felt kind of new or different for him. With that one year of experience, he will probably feel more comfortable competing on that side for us. Plus, he already has some history with GW, which will also allow him some familiarity. I look for him to push Casillas for the starting spot on that side.
Of course, that’s assuming his injury has healed properly and he can perform up-to-par…I hope so because it will make for an interesting battle on both sides for the LB position!
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Arnoux was having a good camp
Before he sprained his ankle… I remember G-dub praising him in a couple of interviews. He will make the 53 but he’ll clarly behind JC (for now at least)
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I may need coffee this morning but...
Hasnt Shanle been switched to the strong side previously held by Fujita…?
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Yes
Even though Shanle played a lot at strong side last year, he was officially listed as starting weakside linebacker. Casillas is starting at weakside, so he’ll be competing (probably) with Ingram. Shanle is safe, unless Williams wants to repeat last year’s mistake of inserting Ingram at SAM.
It was worth the wait.
“he was officially listed as starting weakside linebacker”
Erroneously. Every game he started was on the strong side.
“Casillas is starting at weakside”
No, he’s been moved to the strong side.
“so he’ll be competing (probably) with Ingram”
Depends on where Ingram winds up.
“Shanle is safe, unless Williams wants to repeat last year’s mistake of inserting Ingram at SAM.”
That would be to assume Shanle is better than Ingram. I’m not sold on that in the least. Playing Ingram on the strong side would undoubtedly solidify Shanle’s chances on the weak side, as it would represent less competition for the position.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Has he switched back since last saturday?
“LINEBACKER MIX: LB Jonathan Casillas earned a game-best 10 tackles against the Patriots last Thursday. On Saturday, Casillas was running at first-team weak side linebacker. LB Scott Shanle moved to the strong side spot. Shanle was open to the move and said he believed the Saints linebackers trio could be “one of the best in the NFL”.
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by bondcrash on Aug 19, 2010 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The game was Thursday and Shanle started on the strong side, just as he did throughout the 2009 season. Maybe Alex Restrepo (whoever that is) just got around to updating his depth charts. As far as the switch back to weak side goes, you’ll have to ask Dave. This is actually the first I’m hearing of it. I sincerely hope it’s erroneous.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
No, the two flip-flopped positions last season. He’s now manning the position he initially held. Held = absolutely sucked at. I don’t like the switch back at all. The only good that can become of this … if someone beats Shanle out on the weak side, while someone else makes him a complete afterthought on the strong side. Given the current lot of OLBs, the odds of one or the other happening are decent, while the odds of both happening are slim to none. On the whole, I doubt we’ll see much (if any) improvement from last year to this.
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Sorry guys
ya’ll are right. Made the change. I was thinking about it so much late last night that I turned myself around while I was writing. For some reason I had it in my head that Shanle and Casillas were switching, but they’re not. Shanle is the only one moving and it’s to the strong side. Everything is fixed.
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Whew. So basically, this entire post boils down to “Casillas is the current front runner to replace Fujita”. I’m fine with that. Well, not fine … just more comfortable with it, than I am with shuffling the deck.
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That's not my understanding
My understanding is that Shanle has been moved to replace Fujita. Casillas has now taken over Shanle’s spot. Along with Vilma, those are you three starters. The whole post boils down to, “Where is Ingram going to compete when he comes back.”
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 19, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Moved where? On online depth charts that have been inaccurate for the last 12 months?
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I’m sorry for all the confusion. I’m not much of an x’s and o’s kinda guy. Unfortunately, most of the time I can only go by what I read. Apparently, there is some bad information out there. Sounds like I need to write another “Opinion” post on the MSM getting their facts straight.
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 19, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
CP’s remark, though a little facetious, has a point. Shanle was at strongside last season, so his ‘move’ there during this offseason is largely just catching up by the media.
Ingram’s role in the squad is the focus of the post, though, and it remains a valid question.
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That is my understanding too… according to the T-P and/or nola.com articles posted as FanShots.
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“No one is saying it, but it looks like Jon Casillas is the Saints new starting weakside linebacker. Scott Shanle made the move to SLB today.”
Regardless of the NAME given to the position.
Shanle was moved from wherever he WAS, to the other side; and Casillas was moved to wherever Shanle was.
…according to Jeff Duncan.
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PS. I much prefer the Madden terminology ROLB and LOLB… because R is always on the right (when looking from behind the defense) and L is always on the left.
The “strong” side and the “weak” side can be on either side depending on the line formation.
…ROLB…MLB…LOLB…
RE……DT……DT……LE
LT…..LG…..C…..RG…..RT
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for those who’d like some basic definitions: wikipedia
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Shanle hasn’t moved in this offseason. Duncan’s wrong. That’s all.
LOLB:
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So all of GW’s talk about Shanle being able to cover a TE or even WR had nothing to do with the fact that he was going to play him at the strong side backer position?
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or, are you saying that he was always the SLB and already covered TE, and GW is just confirming what was already happening… and Jeff Duncan is an idiot by finding this information as new?
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“I much prefer the Madden terminology ROLB and LOLB… because R is always on the right (when looking from behind the defense) and L is always on the left.”
The Madden terminology is inherently flawed, as when your opponent flip-flops an offensive play, you can’t audible your defense into a mirrored formation. Unless you manually switch the two OLBs, you’re inevitably going to be stuck with your ROLB covering the TE. In a video game, it doesn’t matter enough to worry about. In real life, there are typically considerable differences in strengths and weaknesses between the two positions. That’s why the SLB regularly emulates the tight end shift; to remain at his defensive position of expertise. Of course, this doesn’t happen very often and for a couple of reasons: a.) because most NFL QBs are right handed and having the TE on the left would cause him to have to throw across his body. b.) because moving the tight end to the left leaves the right particularly vulnerable to the weak side pass rush. LTs can better hold their own than RTs. A right tackle on an island (i.e., without TE help) is foolhearty, at best.
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just hit square and r2 if you notice the te lined up on the left
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by DrewBreesManCrush on Aug 19, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
actually, i don’t think that switches the personnel, just their assignments.
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its on a ps3
it will only switch personnel if there are two cb’s on one side compared to the other… it really pisses me off that you have to do this everytime you line up, since any real nfl def would match up the overloaded sides.
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by DrewBreesManCrush on Aug 19, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
then the button you have designated, which I think it is 
for default.
So LOLB is usually the strong side?
Is that correct?
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 19, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
correct…
because most QB’s are right handed and most single TE set have him line up on the right of the O-line… which is the left of the defense.
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That's what I thought...
because Fujita is listed as playing strong side every single year of his career on Pro-Football-Reference. So I guess my question to CP and Jay is: Where are ya’ll getting this information that Fujita played strong side last year? That is a serious question, I am not trying to be a smart ass.
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 19, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t get the question. Fujita is listed as playing strong side every year….CP and Jay say that Fujita played strong side last year ….sounds like everything matches to me.
nope...
just below your post (below mine now)…
Jay Preece said, "Shanle was Sam all last season, and will be this season too. "
Sam = Strong side
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and CP say the same thing above.
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so....
Fujita was the weak side LB, with Shanle being the strong (LB who lines up with the TE) last season?
AND NOW
Shanle is the weak side LB, with Jon Casillas, being the strong (LB who lines up with the TE) this season???
"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44
by jeremysherwin on Aug 19, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
"No one is saying it, but it looks like Jon Casillas is the Saints new starting weakside linebacker. Scott Shanle made the move to SLB today." – Jeff Duncan
No… if CP and Jay are right (which I’m not doubting, just had to put the qualifier there) then Jeff Duncan is an idiot.
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So if I flip my statement it would be correct, no?
Fujita was the weak side LB, with Shanle being the strong (LB who lines up with the TE) last season?
AND NOW
Shanle is the weak side LB, with Jon Casillas, being the strong (LB who lines up with the TE) this season???
"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44
by jeremysherwin on Aug 19, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
From my understanding...
yes.
Is it ridiculous that we can’t even agree on what position players play?
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 19, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe, but I'm not too concerned
we’ll get it cleaned up before the season starts
or not
Sean Payton and the players need to focus on the upcoming season and defending the title but I don’t.
nah...
you were right, down below…
In GW’s scheme, a player is a player, and he plays where he can make the biggest contribution to that individual play.
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It is kinda hard understanding a position, whereas the reporters get wrong.
You read that Shanle is the SLB over and over last season. They still do it from time to time. Thats the power of the media.
If you see something long enough you start believing it.
Subliminal messages anyone?
"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44
by jeremysherwin on Aug 19, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
i think they were saying that Fujita was listed as strong but played weakside?
idk, i thought that if you were looking from the safety’s position(Darren Sharper’s eyes) then the strong side was on the left and the weak was on the right. if that’s correct then i think that when Fujita played he lined up as the strong side. Maybe they are thinking of when Fujita got hurt. They might have moved Shanle to SLB but from my memory he played WLB all season long.
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by skinnykinney on Aug 19, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
To be honest, I saw someone, probably CP, say that Shanle was our strong side linebacker, and I decided to re-watch a few games from last season and look at where Fujita and Shanle line up. It wasn’t entirely consistent, but it swayed me.
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I think this is the very heart of it
In Gregg Williams’ scheme, I don’t think we can peg players at certain positions like that, especially with the LB’s and the constant switching from 4-3 to 3-4 and back again. I really think they just take the best guys they got and make it work.
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 19, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
The key is where they line up on the opponent’s first snap. That’s technically their starting position. I didn’t pay it much mind at first, until a friend of mine and I started having this same discussion. He TiVos all the games, went back and checked. Every game in which Shanle started, it was on the left … i.e., the strong side … opposite the TE. Conversely, practically every online source out there listed him as the starting weak side linebacker throughout the year. They obviously just never got around to correcting their depth charts, information, what have you … and finally are this season.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Shanle was Sam all last season, and will be this season too. Not worth fussing over so much.
The problem with Ingram is that his production (albeit largely in a 3-4) at Jacksonville was roughly half that of Fujita at New Orleans, and last year Fujita was the best of a pretty average bunch of OLBs.
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Why shouldn’t we forget about Clint Ingram? He was hardly impressive during his time at the Jaguars, even while under Greg Williams. The only thing i ever thought he’d be is a backup linebacker to spell people on occasion and special teamer. I’ll stick by that assessment.
Ingram will find “One Hundred Ways” to unseat Quincy Jones on the weak side. “Just Once” we’ll finally find a way to make it right. Maybe even make the magic last for more than just one night. “Somewhere Out There” there may be an upgrade over Shanle, though we may have to wait until Fievel goes west.
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by coldpizza on Aug 19, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sometimes you scare me….you scare me a lot. But it’s ok…I’m told fear is sometimes healthy. And thanks for getting “somewhere out there” stuck in my head. I will now sing to you a song of my childhood to make up for it.
clears throat ahem….“It’s a small world after all…..it’s a small world after all…it’s a small world after all…it’s a small, small, world”. bows
thanks for getting "somewhere out there" stuck in my head.
Nothing against Ingram duets, but if I hear ‘Yah Mo B There’ one more time, I’m gonna ‘yah mo’ burn this place to the ground.
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speaking of musical references…
I absolutely love Andrew Juge’s fantasy football team name…
“Somewhere over Dwayne Bowe”
Love it! Love it! Love it!
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42. And laid many times over.
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by coldpizza on Aug 19, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
that gets a rec out of me
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by skinnykinney on Aug 19, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
GW mixes and matches Linebackers, much like you and I do when making our doughnut selection.
He has many schemes within his defense. Maybe Little Johns promotion was based upon best player available at the time.
At the very least, it provides another veteran on that side. IMHO
"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44
if ingram can play, he will play
hopefully we will have plenty of mop up time for the backups to get in and get some reps again.
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by DrewBreesManCrush on Aug 19, 2010 10:50 AM CDT reply actions
Texans fan here and I got a question for you guys(Irrelevant to the post):
Are you guys still satisfied/glad that we took Mario Williams over Bush? Of course we all think Mario is the better player because we are Texans fans, but who do you think is better? Mario or Reggie?
Thanks.
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by DrewBreesManCrush on Aug 19, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I think you have the answer.......
It’s hard to compare an offensive player directly to a defensive player. Has Mario developed into a better defensive player than Reggie has as an offensive player? How many points (or lack of points as a DE) has Mario been directly responsible for versus how many points Reggie has been responsible for? Has Mario been a bigger part of the Texans than Reggie has been to the Saints? Opinions will vary and is there really a definitive way to compare? Personally, I’ll pick Reggie.
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I think Bush does more for the offense than Mario does for texans defense. But I don’t think Bush would have done as well for the Texans without Sean Payton. So I think both teams got what they needed.
Believe me.
Mario is probably our most important player on the defense. Without him, there is no pressure on the QB. He is doubled constantly and frees up other linemen to go 1on1.
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by bone31crusher on Aug 19, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Believe me.
Mario is probably our most important player on the defense. Without him, there is no pressure on the QB. He is doubled constantly and frees up other linemen to go 1on1.
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by bone31crusher on Aug 19, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow chat is messed up,
didn’t mean to post that.
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by bone31crusher on Aug 19, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Well,
obviously Reggie scores the points, since he is an offensive player. Reggie has incredible athleticism and is dangerous in the open field, but he is not a pro bowl caliber player at his position like Mario is at his.
Mario is more capable of dominating a game than Reggie is, because Reggie is mainly a 3rd down back for you guys behind Thomas(and return man). I could be wrong when I say that because I haven’t seen Reggie play that much, so don’t take that statement as a troll.
An example of Mario taking over a game was a Monday night game two years ago against the Broncos, where he sacked Jay Cutler 4 times. I’m not saying Reggie has never had an outstanding performance, I’ve just never seen one from him, but if he’s had special games, let me know.
You are right when you say there isn’t a definitive way to compare the two, but I compare the two on how important they are to their teams. Obviously Bush isn’t as important to the Saints as Drew Brees is. Mario is our most important player on defense. That isn’t saying much I guess considering our defense was only ranked like 13th last year, which isn’t exactly ‘good.’ The fact that Reggie doesn’t start is kind of disappointing to me because he was taken number 2 overall. That’s probably the main reason why I’d take Mario, because he’s lived up to his expectations. I’m not calling Reggie a bust, because he contributes to the Saints in a big way, but when you are drafted number 2 overall in the draft, you have to put up some numbers.
I’m done with my biased talk, you said you would take Reggie over Mario. Why?
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by bone31crusher on Aug 19, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
He can be a Game Changer
A great illustration of what he can do from the Playoff Game versus the Cardinals
Reggie Bush toiled in relative anonymity for most of the season, but the electrifying playmaker unquestionably made his presence known during the Saints’ playoff opener. Bush amassed 108 yards from scrimmage on only nine touches, and added another 109 on three punt returns. Although Bush has deservedly earned a reputation as one of the league’s most dynamic multi-purpose threats, his inability to thrive as a full-time runner drew the ire of his critics. However, Bush’s spectacular performance not only showcased his diverse skill set, but also his vastly improved skills as an inside runner. Bush flashed a nifty combination of strength and power while running between the tackles, and his willingness to run with force set the tone for the game.
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I remember this game.
Everyone came over to BRB and said Reggie was better after that one game lol. 108 yards on 9 touches is impressive, but it was one game. If he can run in between the tackles with success like he did in that game, he’ll be a pro bowler.
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by bone31crusher on Aug 19, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
That’s probably the main reason why I’d take Mario, because he’s lived up to his expectations
Lol @ lived up to expectations. Are you drunk? C’mon man. 160 tackles and 39 sacks? Charles Grant had 141 tackles and 27.5 sacks and 1 int to boot in his first 48 games! Will Smith had 156 and 33.5 sacks in 62 games. Would you take Mario if you were the Saints?
It's a moot point
We had different needs.
Bush is a dynamic player. Williams is a great player as well. I never envisioned Bush as our every down back. We had Deuce for the power, Bush was for speed and agility. Never expected him to turn into a power back.
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Am I drunk?
The real question is, are you drunk? Mario is fifth in the league in sacks since coming into the league in 2006. That’s producing. DE isn’t as flashy as RB is, but Mario is an elite pass rusher.
He’s made it to the pro bowl 3 times and was on the All-Pro first team in 2007 and 2008. The reason he only had 9 sacks last year was because he was playing with one arm. He had a bad shoulder injury but played through it, and had 9 sacks.
The years before that when he was healthy he had 14 in 07, and then 12 in 08, being top 5 in the NFL in sacks both years. He had shoulder surgery this year and is fully healthy. He demolished Arizona last Saturday and had two sacks in just half of the first quarter.
I didn’t know that the Saints would not take Mario. I didn’t know their depth situation.
Did you also factor in that Mario was doubled throughout every game every season? Our D-line besides him and Antonio Smith are shit. Maybe Charles Grant and Will Smith weren’t doubled constantly.
I believe Mario has lived up to his expectations though. 3 Pro Bowls and 2 first team All-Pro selections in four years.
He is fully healthy and should put up 15+ this year.
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by bone31crusher on Aug 19, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
everydown back comments...
Again, I think Mario helps out the Texans D quite a lot. He’s a top producer. I think he would have been good on the Saints but I don’t think the Saints would have won a Superbowl without Reggie and with Mario in place of Reggie on the roster. I’m also not confident that the Texans are equipped to utilize Reggie Bush as well as the Saints.
I think Reggie is fantastic as whatever the hell his position is because his mere presence changes the game. He doesn’t even have to touch the ball. And the guy can blow people up on blocks, his speed allowing him to make more blocks than other backs. Somebody said Reggie is a 3rd down back. Seriously? If we don’t mix him in on 1st and 2nd down then he’s not as effective. And beyond that he’s just not used as a traditional running back.
If people would stop trying to make Reggie into something he’s not they would recognize how valuable he is to the Saints offense. What I’m trying to say here is stop living in the past!
Sorry.
Didn’t mean to call Reggie a 3rd down back. Seems like Thomas is getting all the carries though.
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by bone31crusher on Aug 20, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I can understand that.
You guys now have a title. But was Reggie a main contributor? Or was he in the right place at the right time?
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by bone31crusher on Aug 19, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
right place, right time. Mario is better, but if you drafted Reggie, we would not have drafted Mario, we would have drafted Hawk. Considering how Hawk’s played….You did both of our teams a huge favor.
Hawk as in AJ Hawk?
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by bone31crusher on Aug 19, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 19, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Tony Hawk is STILL on the board
Sean Payton and the players need to focus on the upcoming season and defending the title but I don’t.
Let me ask you guys this question about the Bush-Mario debate:
Aside from the whole comparison, are you guys pleased with Reggie’s play over the past few years? Do you guys label him as a bust or are you guys satisfied with his production?
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Lol,
nice answer.
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by bone31crusher on Aug 19, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
How can you call 4500+ all purpose yards and 32 tds in 52 games a bust? How can you compare that to 160 tackles and 39 sacks in 64 games?
Depends on what the definition of a bust is. Does he provide us with what we expected from him as a 2nd overall pick?
No, but was he a great pick and considering our other choices I am glad we took him.
To Calvin Johnson's credit he is on the Lions
And if you go back to 1999 there are 5 PB some with multiple appearances, he isn’t a bust I am gonna say that now. But if we are paying him 2nd overall pick money, we should expect to get 2nd overall numbers. I know thats not the way it works (Ryan leaf) but just my own little rant on the matter.
Calvin Johnson is not a bust.
If they had a good QB, he would be a PB every year. The dude has special talent.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Aug 19, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
megatron is pretty f ing good
dont bash him cause hes stuck in the black hole of detroit
NEVER QUIT!
by DrewBreesManCrush on Aug 19, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Your expectations need realignment
Reggie has won us some games. He has personally broken open games.
He’s also produced some duds in the process. But you gotta give him props for trying, for changing his game to do different stuff, etc.
I don't think they do.
If we pay him 8 mil+ we should see massive numbers, that is my expectations. I agree he is great, and I am glad the Saints have him. Only problem I have with Bush is his pay, otherwise I am happy with him.
Just some #'s
In 5 career playoff games.
33 Att 188 Yds 5.7 Avg 20 Rec 249 Yds 12.4 Avg
4 Tds. 4-1 W-L.
Made 2.9M in 4th year
Compared to PT in 3 career playoff games.
36 Att 143 Yds 4.0 Avg 12 Rec 111 Yds 9.2 Avg
3 Tds 3-0 W-L
Will make 1.7M in 4th year
Appreciate all the answers.
I may chime in here on Saturday night.
Peace.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
you need to realize at that time we already had two first round DE and was in need of an offensive weapon.
He appreciated your answers.
If I am good I could add years to my life / I would rather add some life to my years.
I didn't know.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Aug 19, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Simple Minds may have said it best (or sung it best)
anyone else love that synthesizer sound?
how ’bout Breakfast Club Fans?
anyone?
can’t hear you over all those crickets chirping…
It's gonna be a great year.
by HansDat on Aug 19, 2010 8:07 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Hey, I always liked that song!
Course, I’m just an old poot…
"It's about time that something good like this happened." - Drew Brees
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