Ridiculously Early Saints' Studs and Duds of Training Camp
We're not even close to being far enough in to make any judgments on how things are progressing with the 2010 version of the New Orleans Saints. I want to make that clear. Too many times early in camp you see a few flashy plays by a guy like, say Adrian Arrington, and you hear the crazy talk trickling in. "Oh, this guy is really going to contribute this year, might be a year away from a 1,000 yard season". "I bet this guy starts by week 4". Slow down, slow down. I've always been annoyed by that guy, because 99 times out of 100 anyone that looks that far into the future based on a small sample size of information falls completely flat. Sure enough, Adrian Arrington either tweaks a hammy that sidelines him for the eternity of camp, or some no name, like say Rod Harper, completely outperforms him. With that said, it's fun to play with the crystal ball. Taking as a given the incredibly small sample size we have to work with, here's who has looks good so far through three days of camp, and who hasn't.
STUDS:
Drew Brees - Hardly a surprise, but his accuracy and command in the huddle have been as good as ever. I've been worried he might be a little burned out from the incessant offseason parading, but so far he's been as sharp as a tack. We know the guy is a top 3 NFL quarterback, and arguably the best, but it's nice to see him confirming that on a daily basis.
Lance Moore - Arguably the most flashy and steady Saint so far. I guess health goes a long way? He's been making the corners look silly stupid with his precise route running, and he's made the circus catch a daily occurrence.
Rod Harper - Like Moore, he's been making crazy catches. He's a name that just keeps popping up as a playmaker, and he needs it badly because he's no given to make the team. Still, it's nice to see him stepping up because he's got a real opportunity to get some reps with Marques Colston and Robert Meachem both currently out with injuries.
Courtney Roby - I know, I know, you feel like I'm naming all the receivers, but Roby has looked awesome too. He really has. We all know he's a virtual lock to make the team because he's our best gunner and he's a very solid return man. If he can start contributing on offensive plays as well, that just solidifies his standing on the ball club.
Stanley Arnoux - Admittedly I haven't seen much of him yet and I'll be keeping a very close eye on him, but based on the praise he's been getting from the coaching staff and his teammates, maybe this guy stands a chance to make an impact this season.
Chris Ivory - I've already talked about this guy a bit, but he's been the best undrafted free agent rookie so far. I'm a bit surprised because I looked at his college stats and they were actually pretty miserable. Limited reps and a few injuries. Not a very impressive college career, but he's looking good now.
Reggie Bush - He's 100%, and he's feeling good. Not only that, but he's handled the whole USC/Heisman thing about as well as you can handle it. The words maturity and Reggie weren't really being associated with each other before this year.
Jason Kyle - Yeah ok the guy is just a long snapper, big deal. But you know what? I'm giving him kudos, because he was so much better than his competition, Clint Gresham, that the Saints decided not to even bother dragging that out in camp. Gresham got picked up a day later by the Seahawks, so it's not like he's garbage. We're lucky to have a snapper that's that money.
DUDS:
Randall Gay - Literally almost every single big play the receivers are making is with Gay covering. It's almost like the QB's are just looking for him anywhere on the field and just lobbing it in his direction knowing the receiver will beat him to the ball. I've always liked the guy, and Mr. Cariello is always trashing him. I'm admittedly not looking too smart right now.
Sean Canfield - We've all heard how weak his arm is by now, but this guy's head is just swimming. Way too many picks in practice. Let's take a moment to realize he is a rookie, and there's still a lot of camp left, but based on what I've seen, heard and read so far, this guy has no chance at making the roster.
Clint Ingram - If you want to start you better get on the practice field, and fast.
Nick Leckey - This guy better have the camp of his life if he wants to hold off rookie Matt Tennant from taking his roster spot.
Malcolm Jenkins - Again, I know it's early, but I would like to see him blow Usama Young out of the water. For the most part Young has been seeing as many if not more reps than Jenkins at starting free safety. We know Young is a great special teamer, but probably not a starting quality free safety over the length of an entire season. Jenkins has looked pretty good at times, and a little shaky at others. I'd like to see him at some point in camp really assert himself as "the man".
Oh, and in case you're interested in the Paul bashing standings thus far, here they are below. Remember the person with the most points get a $20 iTunes gift card. My scoring method is completely subjective, Around the Horn style. And no, the Paul bashing hasn't gotten old for me yet.
SlumD 7, Satchmo 3, Joseph William Stern 3, Jon08ban 1, DrWhoDat 1, Just ‘Nother Day 1, Dan39465 1, Cajun in CA 1, Born in the area code 318 1
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How did I get a point?
I didn’t even know who he was. I would rather watch fat ladies prance around at a dog show than watch basketball. I would rather drink the water in Mexico.
"Why do you even ponder passing? I mean, you can take a knee and try a 56 yard field goal! This is not Detroit man, this is the Superbowl!" -- Paul Allen's call after Tracy Porter intercepted Brett Favre in NFCCG
Randall Gay could be on his way out. If not for his performance, then for the fear of him standing next to the wrong person and having their jersey’s spell out something wildly inappropriate.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
LOL
Good one!
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Aug 2, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Couldn't resist
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Who dat, from a cajun exiled to cowboy country.
by alcoholic_insight on Aug 2, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
LOL!
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Aug 2, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
This is enough to keep him around :)
He is a back up and has played well throughout his career; played a lot better for The Saints than Jason David ever did for sure
So you got to see the "Pre-Camp Long Snapper Competition" I guess...
Jason Kyle – Yeah ok the guy is just a long snapper, big deal. But you know what? I’m giving him kudos, because he was so much better than his competition, Clint Gresham, that the Saints decided not to even bother dragging that out in camp. Gresham got picked up a day later by the Seahawks, so it’s not like he’s garbage. We’re lucky to have a snapper that’s that money.
I’ll agree with you on that last part… The rest is pure crap.
Kyle is Payton’s LS until Kyle decides he wants to retire. Period. Not "one guy is better than the other’… Kyle was probably considering retiring.. Payton was hedging his bets by bringing in Gresham. Kyle said he’d like to keep playing – The job is his.
Payton gave Gresham plenty of time to end up in training camp on time for another team. No love lost. No job “won” in New Orleans.
Some advice to the author: Giving your opinion on something is one thing – Making stuff up completely is another.
It's an ankle bracelet, not a halo....
wow man, who pissed in your wheaties this morning?
you’re telling me coaches don’t measure the accuracy and velocity of snaps? This is an NFL team, man, not pee wee football. The coaches will put the best guy out there, especially when the money they invest in a long snapper is the same across the board. I strongly disagree with you that the job is Kyle’s until he retires. If he’s had a drop in performance the Saints would cut him. Period.
by Andrew Juge on Aug 2, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gotta side with Andrew here
If you know that Payton has promised Kyle the job for as long as he wants it, please tell us how you came by this insider information. Otherwise, you’re just making stuff up.
It was worth the wait.
My point was- Kyle has done nothing to lose his job to somebody else.
History and familiarity are on Kyle’s side with this coaching staff. That doesn’t mean he was
Now show me where you have this info that Kyle “was so much better than his competition, Clint Gresham, that the Saints decided not to even bother dragging that out in camp” if you don’t mind.
It's an ankle bracelet, not a halo....
Hate that you can't edit...
History and familiarity are on Kyle’s side with this coaching staff. That doesn’t mean he was
…even involved in a “competing” situation.
It's an ankle bracelet, not a halo....
Gotta also side with Andrew
Kyle has only been on the team less than a year, so I don’t see how the job is his until he retires. I’m assuming you haven’t seen the story/video on Gresham. The kid was pretty intriguing. The dude looks like a long snapping sharp shooter. Have you seen this footage?
Now, this doesn’t mean his skills are perfect for the NFL, but I can see how Payton and his crew thought enough of him to bring him in to tryout. Sean is always looking to improve every little aspect of his team, including the much-ignored long-snapper.
I don’t see what’s so inappropriate about Andrew’s comments.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Aug 2, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
That's pretty funny actually...
Have you seen this footage? (Scroll down for the funny) :D
It's an ankle bracelet, not a halo....
It's not rocket science
Now show me where you have this info that Kyle "was so much better than his competition
Unless you’re a conspiracy theorist (“That Gresham kid is perfect. Fire him.”) it’s quite simple. Payton sent Clint packing. Duhh~!
Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!
I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.
by Just 'Nother Day on Aug 2, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
You guys aren't understanding where I'm coming from on this....
Let’s say all things are considered equal for both guys… The job will still go to Kyle.
With Brunell gone – the search is on for a new holder. There’s no way Payton’s going to have new guys at 2 out of 3 positions essential to FGs/PATs this season if avoidable.
This is not conspiracy theory. This is not a “stud” sending a rookie packing…
It's an ankle bracelet, not a halo....
Jason Kyle wouldn't have had this long of an NFL career
if he wasn’t a stud longsnapper. The Panthers wanted to keep him and were very disappointed they couldn’t, but they had no cash last year based on the cap and the tag money Peppers got. They were completely strapped.
Does anyone know how many times the QB's have been picked so far....?
I dont think you can single out Canfield already. He is clearly at the bottom of the depth chart – proof is Chase Daniel is sharing holding duties for Hartley – but none of the other two have been mistake-free either so far… I think Chase had a rough day saturday afternoon
And on Chris Ivory… good reviews yeah and he had a bad fumble yesterday… not the kind of performance Payton really likes…
Keep your powder dry for another week or so…
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Reggie Bush – He’s 100%, and he’s feeling good. Not only that, but he’s handled the whole USC/Heisman thing about as well as you can handle it. The words maturity and Reggie weren’t really being associated with each other before this year
Neither was cheater and Reggie, well yes it was.
Jason Kyle – Yeah ok the guy is just a long snapper, big deal. But you know what? I’m giving him kudos, because he was so much better than his competition, Clint Gresham, that the Saints decided not to even bother dragging that out in campWe needed the room to add P-Rob, no other reason
New Orleans Saints Coach Sean Payton announced Friday afternoon that long snapper Clint Gresham was waived to make room on the roster for first-round draft pick Patrick Robinson.
Stanley Arnoux – Admittedly I haven’t seen much of him yet and I’ll be keeping a very close eye on him, but based on the praise he’s been getting from the coaching staff and his teammatesIs he even in training camp? How can he get past these guys like Clint Ingram, Jo-Lonn Dunbar, Troy Evans, Jonathan Casillas?
So why Gresham and not some other camp body?
If not because he was considered “expendable?”
"It's about time that something good like this happened." - Drew Brees
Jimmy Graham?
No reports on JG? I have heard he is tearing it up and the GGM has a voodoo kinda feeling about this guy…somebody going to the practices give me a report if you can please.
Gris Gris Man, Voodoo Surgeon General and Master of Witch Doctory
Saturday he dropped a few easy balls on short routes
Shocker talked him up after though. I heard from another guy that he had a good Friday practice. He didn’t seem particularly good or bad on Sunday.
I’ll tell u this though. The guy is even bigger in real life. He looks like Abdre the giant out there.
by ReggieVilma on Aug 2, 2010 4:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Saturday he dropped a few easy balls on short routes
Shocker talked him up after though. I heard from another guy that he had a good Friday practice. He didn’t seem particularly good or bad on Sunday.
I’ll tell u this though. The guy is even bigger in real life. He looks like Abdre the giant out there.
by ReggieVilma on Aug 2, 2010 4:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What Juge said
Malcolm Jenkins – Again, I know it’s early, but I would like to see him blow Usama Young out of the water. For the most part Young has been seeing as many if not more reps than Jenkins at starting free safety. We know Young is a great special teamer, but probably not a starting quality free safety over the length of an entire season. Jenkins has looked pretty good at times, and a little shaky at others. I’d like to see him at some point in camp really assert himself as “the man”What GW said
Jenkins is playing that well — so well that Williams insists the Saints could start the season with the second-year ballhawk at free safety and not miss a beat.
“He’s special,” Williams said.
by shn_hldn on Aug 2, 2010 10:43 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Gotta admit
Scared to death we paid millions to a rookie cornerback last year that apparently can’t turn his hips fluidly in coverage to save his life. Most everyone figured Jenkins would go to safety even after we drafted him. But a guy who had his pedigree should definitely be able to outshine a special teamer who has, at best, looked mediocre in any safety duties while in games. I don’t want to be the team that can’t get their top 15 draft pick on the field. At the same time, i don’t want us giving time to a top 15 draft pick simply because he gets paid too much money to sit on the bench when he’s being out performed but Usama Young and potentially even Chip Vaughn.
I don’t want to be the team that can’t get their top 15 draft pick on the field
Why not? We won the SB basically w/o Jenkins on the field.
At the same time, i don’t want us giving time to a top 15 draft pick simply because he gets paid too much money to sit on the bench when he’s being out performedSomeone like Reggie Bush perhaps?
by shn_hldn on Aug 2, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
His lack of hip motion
was a known problem prior to the draft, and was the main reason that he was projected for use in the safety position by most teams. His size and skills are better suited for that spot…now they want to give him a chance to see how he does there. Last year was basically an experiment to see if the conventional thinking about him as corner was correct; and it was. You may have a valid concern, but let’s see how it plays out!
"It's about time that something good like this happened." - Drew Brees
Jenkins wasn't on the field?
Didn’t he nearly pick of Peyton just before Porter’s pick six? Didn’t he have the huge tackle of Austin Collie for a loss that made a 46 yard field goal in the fourth a 51 yarder?
Yes and yes.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Aug 2, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
wasnt he also the one who was burned with 5 minutes left on the 40 yarder to collie?
the bomb right after porters pick 6, i think it was jenkins who got burned.
"These two teams just should not play each other" ...John Madden during a 1991 Saints-Eagles game
“Stanley Arnoux – maybe this guy stands a chance to make an impact this season.”
That’s good to hear.
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
If Chris Pall was a long snapper he'd be a bad one.
Snap, place, kick! And it's good! It's good! It's goo-hoo-hood! Pigs have flown! Hell Has frozen over! The Saints are going to the Superbowl!
by Joseph William Stern on Aug 2, 2010 4:34 PM CDT reply actions
Sharper will be there. Malcolm will take his spot if he gets injured. Until then it’s Sharpers job. But Malcolm is the future for sure on the Saints.
You have a slight problem Joseph
It’s Chris Paul. You obviously don’t know anything about the guy or what has been going on if you can’t even spell his 4-letter last name. In defense of CP3 (which will probably put me at minus 1 point), don’t be a sheep.
In his defense… This is a Saints blog and 95% of us don’t care much for basketball.
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.

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