Are You Happy With Our Cornerbacks Situation?
by Dan Kelly on Aug 30, 2010 4:36 PM CDT
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PrintAre you happy with our Cornerbacks situation? Because, frankly, I'm a little concerned... ok, I'm a lot concerned.
With all this talk about releasing Sharper or putting Sharper on the PUP list combined with the [mild expletive removed] less than Super Bowl caliber play of Patrick Robinson, Leigh Torrence, and Randall Gay I think we need some help at CB.
How about you...
Here's what ESPN has listed for all our Defensive Backs:
CB1 Jabari Greer Patrick Robinson Leigh Torrence
CB2 Tracy Porter Randall Gay Reggie Jones
SS Roman Harper Pierson Prioleau Chris Reis
FS Darren Sharper Malcolm Jenkins Usama Young Chip Vaughn
Let's assume that Darren Sharper won't get a Visit From The Turk. (definition) (I think there's a good chance he'll be on the 6 week PUP list to start the season, but I'm hoping he'll be healthy.)
...which means Malcolm Jenkins is our starting Free Safety (at least for the beginning of the season), and not available as the 3rd CB for Nickel and injury situations.
I think we can all agree that, when healthy we have one of the best starting corner tandums in the league.
But, J1K forbid and GGM cast a spell, what happens if one or both of those guys goes down?
What do you think?
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with our CB situation.
We have the two best CBs in the NFC South. Do injuries happen? Of course they do. But we have an experienced backup and a promising rook behind them. It seems to me that people are gonna bitch unless we have pro bowlers 3 deep on the depth chart.
As far as Malcolm being the free starting FS, trust me, if the package calls for it, you’ll see him lining up at CB with Young floating deep. Young and Jenkins were both CBs long before they were ever safeties. Are there better backups out there in the NFL? Probably, nobody’s perfect. But what we do have is a ton of scheme diverse talent and a coach that is going to do his best to put them in the right situation to try and succeed. Despite the crap that people throw on Gay, he’s better than 90% of the people we can get at the moment and Robinson is a rook who’ll improve under GW’s guidance. Be thankful we have who we have….we could be looking at the Raven’s CB situation at the moment.
by jeff.l.b on Aug 30, 2010 4:50 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
boom rec'd it
I appreciate the positive thinking. I was going to argue but there is no argument.
Although your mind's opaque,
Try thinking more, if just for your own sake.
I’m not “bitching”.. but it would be nice to have someone at least as competent as last years ROOKIE 3rd CB.
We don’t have that right now.
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
(for those that come later)
That was a reply to jeff.l.b.
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
I hear what you’re saying…except that i felt Malcolm Jenkins was absolutely terrible at CB last year. He kept getting beat off the line, he grabbed and held constantly. Robinson is much quicker and fluid than MJ. Give the kid time, he’ll be fine. He made a good play against the Chargers early on, he simply didn’t keep a hold of the ball. We can’t play the ‘what if’ game. Does nobody any good.
You felt that way all last year about MJ, or in preseason?
TO be honest, I don’t remember last years preseason, but a) he we a nice #3 and b) he contributed GREATLY on special teams before Porter got hurt and he had to start at CB.
I do have faith in GW and Loomis, but If Porter and Greer go down (like they did last year) I’m not so sure there’s another miracle out there in FA to be had.
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
Wait.
Wasn’t Malcom Jenkins or 4th CB last year behind the starters and Gay? Pretty sure he was for at least most of the season before injuries happened. I think P Rob’s potential at CB is greater than Jenkins at CB. But I do believe MJ will be good safety. I’m content with our CB’s for now. I do remember MJ only looking good on special teams in preseason and early in the season but did develop better as the season went on. I think they same will be true with P Rob this year.
MJ...
couldn’t cover my Grandmother on a go route…. and she’s dead!!! P.Robinson is an upgrade as a cover corner in the NFL compared to Jenkins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qais_eGMnWk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39GH-nzrY_I&feature=relatde
Yes.
We’ve never been as deep as we are now. Or, at least not that I can remember. We’ve got it a lot better at CB than the vast majority of other teams do.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Aug 30, 2010 5:46 PM CDT reply actions
Deep?
We’re 2 deep… 2 who I LOVE… 2 who I think are GREAT… 2 who didn’t play the entire year last year.
If we were talking Madden terms… Here are our overall stats at CB:
91 – JG
89 – TP
67 – RG
64 – PR
52 – LT
50 – RJ Who
It would be nice to have a 70+ guy in there at Nickel… like MJ was last year.
But, I’m glad you guys are felling good. I guess I’ll just have to wait and see.
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
Madden Ratings = crap
It is pretty much ranked by whoever is on sportscenter the most. Some rankings are baffling and just plain WTF!?
Oh when Brees, marches down the field, Oh when Brees gets into the redzone, Oh how I want to see him throw a TD! Oh when Brees marches down the field.
(I find them to be pretty darn good actually… not perfect, certainly… but pretty good.)
And, those were MY GUESSES at what their Madden ratings who be… That’s what I’d give them.
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
OHHH
gotcha. 90% of them are good 5% are extremely underrated (draft picks and below the radar people) 5% of them are hype.
Oh when Brees, marches down the field, Oh when Brees gets into the redzone, Oh how I want to see him throw a TD! Oh when Brees marches down the field.
I was bored so I went and looked at their ratings
87 – JG
85 – TP
75 – RG
75 – PR
76 – MJ
And its LT and RJ who? as they are not on the madden rosters.
you know, when you want something, and nobody can stop you from taking it, you just take it, right? I like that, but can you take it?
so, jon08ban was right...
The drastically over-rated RG & PR…
MJ’s a 76 at corner… but he’s not at corner anymore… probably b/c he wasn’t going to get much better than that at corner.
And, yes, LT & RJ who.
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
JG and TP are under-rated…
(forgot to add that to the start of my reply.)
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
Yeah JG stayed the same from last year and Porter went up only 1 point.
So picking off Favre and Manning, and being one of the best CB groups in the game….gets you 1 point over last year. Meanwhile Joe Haden (Cleveland’s 1st round pick) gets an 80 simply because hes a 1st round pick. We do have to remember that the people picking these are game designers and (possible) football fans, not actual Scouts.
Oh when Brees, marches down the field, Oh when Brees gets into the redzone, Oh how I want to see him throw a TD! Oh when Brees marches down the field.
if we lose both of our starters in a lot of positions we will be in trouble
we can probably handle it the best at cb. maybe we have a little more depth at wr, but thats it. we will be fine.
"Yo Holmes! Smell ya Later!" -Will Smith
by DrewBreesManCrush on Aug 30, 2010 5:54 PM CDT reply actions
Agreed
Gay and Robinson are alot better than most teams have at 3rd and 4th cb. Outside of the Jets with a signed Revis, I cant think of any team off the top of my head I would trade cb’s with. Even the Bengals who have an excellent set of Starters had to bring in PacMan Jones to compete at nickel and we all know how well that turned out for Dallas.
by GESWhoseBack on Aug 30, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
If worse comes to worse
We can always call Mike Mckenzie and ask him to do us one more solid.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
by VAsaintsfan on Aug 30, 2010 9:15 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Am I the only one...
who saw Porter get burnt a lot in the play-offs? I know, this is close to blasphemy…
Still,
Repeat? Under construction...
Yeah, i did to. But he kinda made it up with that whole pick 6 thing.
Oh when Brees, marches down the field, Oh when Brees gets into the redzone, Oh how I want to see him throw a TD! Oh when Brees marches down the field.
I know.
Guess we have to choose between reliable and, as for now, play-maker. Heck, he did secure two wins in the play-offfs, right?
I’ll still gladly go on Stu’s list stating we still need some help at CB. Think Saints would have drafted Robinson otherwise?
Repeat? Under construction...
Your right, them drafting Robinson almost seems otherworldly in their foresight.
We will just have to hope if anything goes wrong GW knows what to do. Hopefully P-Rob gets better with the season and he can be our starting nickel, so he can push Gay down the depth chart.
Oh when Brees, marches down the field, Oh when Brees gets into the redzone, Oh how I want to see him throw a TD! Oh when Brees marches down the field.
Maybe So
But its not like we were playing scrubs. It was Warner, Favre, and Manning! They are going to get theirs, you just better get yours and Porter did.
Can the real Jonathan Casillas please stand up!
by GESWhoseBack on Aug 30, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that if we can draft or get a beast DE, then we wouldn't have to worry so much about our CBs
Freakin’ Colts stole that Hughes kid from us…
Stolen
Truth is, I am happier having them in a place to steal a draft pick from us rather than the alternative.
by theprogrammerman on Aug 31, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. I’m satisfied with our secondary, in terms of personnel. What I’m waiting on now — and have been since the Haslett regime — is a consistent pass rush. I honestly don’t care where it comes from, as long as it manifests itself in games. If Jeff Charleston is the only guy bringing it, then he should be starting over Alex Brown. They need to do whatever it takes to generate that “penetrate and disrupt” mindset. That’s even more important than causing turnovers, as stalled drives lead to a change of possession nearly 100% of the time.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Agreed. Our pass rush has been pathetic forcing even more blitzes that aren’t getting to the QB either.
Both of you are 105% right. I noticed in most of our blitzes we are sending 5-6 guys..in preseason. Now I realize we probably used only 4 plays the whole game, but if we are having to send most of our front 7 to get enough penetration to cause a sack, then we going to have a tough time doing anything this season.
Oh when Brees, marches down the field, Oh when Brees gets into the redzone, Oh how I want to see him throw a TD! Oh when Brees marches down the field.
Reggie Jones
Do not underestimate the kid..
You are my people, you are my crowd, this is our music, we love it loud...
I am concerned
Jenkins doesn’t have my confidence so far and Young, Prioleau, Torrence, Reis, Robinson and Jones either. Gay- kind of. If we could gennerate a monster pass rush, the pressure would be off of them. But it concerns me. Obviously if the coaching staff thought we had great backup safeties, Sharper would be gone- he is unable tro play for about a third of the season. We newed him back and 100%.
I think we should cut Prioleau ( and maybe Reis) because it looks like Robinson and Jones have potential. Maybe move Jenkins or Vaughn to SS or pick someone up from another team. Torrence IMO is not good enough and I am hopeful of Chip Vaughn but still undecided about him. It really scares me if Harper gets injured – I just don’t see Prioleau or Reis cutting the mustard.
"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking
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