So....Daniel or Ramsey?
by Jon Banks on Aug 31, 2010 11:06 PM CDT
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PrintWell as we know the backup QB position is running neck and neck with Daniel and Ramsey both trying to get the fanbase and Sean Payton behind them. Only one will win, the other will either get cut or used as a 3rd stringer (not likely but possible). So fanbase, who is your favorite going into the final preseason game for backup QB? Chase "Gimme a chance coach" Daniel, or Patrick "I need the money" Ramsey. Stats after the jump.
@ NE game: 6 for 9, 66.7 %, 50 yards, 5.6 avg, 0 TDs, 1 INT, rushed for -4 yards on 1 attempt. QB rating: 41.2
HOU game: 15 for 21, 71.4 %, 182 yards, 8.7 avg, 3 TDs, 1 INT, 1 Sack, rushed for 9 yards on 1 attempt.
QB rating: 117.5
@ NE game: 7 for 11, 63.6 %, 111 yards, 10.1 avg, 0 TDs, 0 INT. QB rating: 97.2
SD game: 10 for 18, 55.6 %, 191 yards, 10.6 avg, 1 TD, 1 INT, rushed for -1 yards on 1 attempt. QB rating: 88.0
Chase Daniel Pros: Much more accurate than Ramsey, and threw for 2 more TDs than him as well. also proved he can run the ball in case a hole opens and there is nothing downfield.Also went up against the Texans' 1st string Defense and did great. If he has great potential he can remain on the Saints roster for a good amount of time as a backup or a development project.
Chase Daniel Cons: Threw a WTF INT in the Texans game, and threw a potential game winning drive away with an INT against the Pats. Did not have the yardage Ramsey had, although the Texans game was wrapped up in the 3rd quarter and the Saints most likely ran more ( I say more likely because I don't remember).Younger and does not have much experience .
Patrick Ramsey Pros: Can throw the ball downfield, has a good arm, and racks up yardage. Older and has more experience at the game.
Patrick Ramsey Cons: 76 yards from his SD game, came from a Chris Ivory screen that beget a wonderous trucking to the endzone by the Tusk. Threw a WTF INT in the SD game.
So what say you CSC? Who has the edge going into this weekend's game?
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I have been on the Chase Daniel bandwagon since we signed him.
He played outstanding against the Texans. Also, in the Pats game, he hit Adrian Arrington in the numbers in the endzone, but AA dropped it. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Daniel has one thing that Ramsey doesn’t….potential. Daniel will likely only get better. Ramsey has played for a while and has likely “peaked” as an NFL QB.
Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!
by mknkachow on Aug 31, 2010 11:28 PM CDT reply actions 8 recs
rec'd
my feelings, too. I liked Daniel from the start. Would hate to see him cut.
you know, when you want something, and nobody can stop you from taking it, you just take it, right? I like that, but can you take it?
Agreed.
Daniel, I think, is the better QB when he’s calm. I haven’t seen him sacked repeatedly though, so that’s the one thing I’m uncertain about; how he handles a bad situation.
Devery Henderson, making absurd grabs for my teams since 2001.
by Andrew Tessier on Aug 31, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
Ramsey is what he is. Daniel, whom some have dubbed “mini-Drew,” might actually grow into that name. Ramsey won’t.
It was worth the wait.
mini-Drew? With THAT gut?
I prefer “our fat punk quarterback”.
Take the simple case of the sarge who can't go back to war
'Cause the hippies tore down everything that he was fighting for.
by stujo4 on Sep 1, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
who would win in a fight between
our fat punk QB and our fat punk kicker?
It's gonna be a great year.
by Hans Petersen on Sep 1, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Chase would win
"Why do you even ponder passing? I mean, you can take a knee and try a 56 yard field goal! This is not Detroit man, this is the Superbowl!" -- Paul Allen's call after Tracy Porter intercepted Brett Favre in NFCCG
Depends
Is Garrett allowed to kick? I’d think he’d have stronger legs!
That being said, I’d give the back up QB nod to Chase (as I’ve been saying for quite some time!)
"It's about time that something good like this happened." - Drew Brees
I love it
Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted
by SaintsFanInIraq on Sep 1, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
On paper, they’re almost a coin toss apart; but looking forward, Daniel can become something, Ramsey almost was something.
Daniel has to be the choice, IMO.
Who Dat? TWO DAT! Do dat AGAIN!!!
by GSO Saints Fan on Sep 1, 2010 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree and I rec'd it...
but… on the flip side, Ramsey has experience.
[looks in the mirror; thinks to self “Did I just say that?”]
I’m not saying I like Ramsey over Daniel… quite the opposite. I like what Daniel showed in preseason, and he most definitely has more potential.
But, if you’re asking which one will SP choose to be Drew’s #2, I’m not sure. I think SP values the NFL experience (even if it wasn’t a whole lot of winning experience).
It will be interesting to see who gets the #2 spot.
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
I believe they will carry 3 qb's
I believe that the NFL will only count two of those positions.
1. primary- Brees
2. Backup- Ramsey
3. emergency (does not count against the roster) Daniels
"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44
#3 QB doesn't count against the 53 man roster?
or the whatever number “active gameday roster”?
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
Counts against 53 man roster
does not count against game-day active roster. Lance Moore pretty much has that job as “oh Shattner, we need a QB.”
"Why do you even ponder passing? I mean, you can take a knee and try a 56 yard field goal! This is not Detroit man, this is the Superbowl!" -- Paul Allen's call after Tracy Porter intercepted Brett Favre in NFCCG
the 3rd qb does count towards the 53 man roster
but the nfl allows an emergency backup as the 46th man on gameday. he is only allowed to play after the other two get hurt. there is also an 8man practice squad, but any team in the nfl can take players from your practice squad if they sign him to their 53 man roster immediately.
"Yo Holmes! Smell ya Later!" -Will Smith
by DrewBreesManCrush on Sep 1, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Our emergency quarterback could be Lance Moore
He can be active as a receiver, and still be put in at QB should Drew and whoever both get hurt. That’s why I wonder if we’d actually keep 3 quarterbacks.
It was worth the wait.
we could probably leave either one on the practice squad
if lance comes in at qb, sorry but ive written the game off
"Yo Holmes! Smell ya Later!" -Will Smith
by DrewBreesManCrush on Sep 1, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
A 5'9 QB???
Good lord that would be something. Is there anything that the pocket rocket can’t do? Or pardon me “Lance Lightening” according to DeMario Pressley
Football is easy if you're crazy as hell
daniel is
why wouldn’t he? this is only his second year… and he went back and forth a couple of times last year.
"Yo Holmes! Smell ya Later!" -Will Smith
by DrewBreesManCrush on Sep 2, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
He's eligible
But somebody would probably pick him up off waivers.
Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!
Whichever one can bide us the most time, until we’re in a position to draft a legitimate NFL backup.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Haven’t seen you much lately CP. How things are well. Curious what you consider to be a legitimate NFL backup? One would think both of those guys clearly fit the bill.
I meant someone of Ramsey’s skills set coming out of college, with Daniel’s playing years ahead of him. Best of both worlds. A future franchise QB. Not saying we need one now, I just happen to think the perfect situation for any NFL team is to have an Aaron Rodgers or Philip Rivers waiting in the wings. If either of these two guys can fill the void until then, that’s who I’d rather for the time being. Unless Brees suffers a career ending injury in the next year or so, that would more than likely spell Daniel (just because I don’t think Ramsey has much more than that left in his tank).
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
“Cons: 76 yards from his SD game, came from a Chris Ivory screen that beget a wonderous trucking to the endzone by the Tusk.”
More of a caveat than a con, no? How can you fault Ramsey for that? Daniel has had ample opportunities to get the ball to Ivory in the flat. Where’s his gimme TD?
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I noticed someone else mention this drop. Can’t say I recall it.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
it was right in his hands… a nice throw.
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
It looked to me
like a good defensive play…the DB was all over him and knocked the ball loose. I only saw the replay once, but it looked like Arrington had little chance to make that catch.
It was worth the wait.
hmmm...
so you’re saying the ball could have been placed better by Daniel.
very possible… if we’re thinking of the same play.
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
If it had been a little more inside Arrington might have been able to snag it out of the reach of the defender. But it is a game of inches, after all.
It was worth the wait.
I thought that Arrington shouldve made that catch
but didn’t come up with it
Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!
Ahh correct as usual
Shouldn’t have implied it’s a fault, just that the yardage number was higher thanks to Tusk.
Oh when Brees, marches down the field, Oh when Brees gets into the redzone, Oh how I want to see him throw a TD! Oh when Brees marches down the field.
by Jon Banks on Sep 1, 2010 12:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It looks like they are giving the nod to Ramsey
Ramsey will start 1st half and Daniel will start 2nd half. Looks like it is Ramsey’s job to lose.
"Why do you even ponder passing? I mean, you can take a knee and try a 56 yard field goal! This is not Detroit man, this is the Superbowl!" -- Paul Allen's call after Tracy Porter intercepted Brett Favre in NFCCG
Either that or
They want to give Ramsey another shot to see if he can outshine Daniel’s performance.
Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!
Hamburgers
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Sep 1, 2010 3:48 PM CDT reply actions
IMO
We keep Daniel. Higher completion % and 3 TDs to 2 Ints. I think one of those interceptions wasn’t his fault. Ramsey has more yards but 76 yard gain off of Ivory is alot off of a throw to the sideline at the line of scrimmage. Plus that’s his only TD. He also threw that wretched interception(way short and kinda lofted it leaving time for defenders to get there) and overthrew Roby on what wouldve probably been a TD pass if not. Daniel has hit his receivers in the #s for the most part and has had a big gain throw or two. He has that chance to be a great undrafted QB whereas Ramsey’s time has passed for the most part. I like Daniel better anyways and have never liked Ramsey too much but I felt impartial when they were battling for the job and I feel that Chase won it. Still one more game to go to possibly change all of that though
Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!
From what I understand, Jeff Fisher is planning on playing his starters for the first half tonight. This seems like it would work out as an advantage for Ramsey, who is slated to start the first half. Think about it. If Ramsey bombs and Daniel does well against the scrubs, it’s likely Daniel’s job going into the regular season. That would be the only scenario that favors Daniel, though. If both bomb, Daniel’s “obviously is not ready” and Ramsey “at least has starting experience”. If Ramsey does well and Daniel bombs, it’s basically etched in stone. If both do well, Daniel “has come a long way … we’d just like to see more of what he can do against top flight competition, before having to rely on him in a game that matters.” Color me over-analytical, but I think the deck is being stacked against Daniel. Might not work out that way, but if he was truly the front runner in this QB derby, would he still be kicking it with the scrubs in Game 4?
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
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