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Jeremy Shockey is Banged Up Once Again

 

Some of us love Jeremy Shockey beyond words. Some of us like him, and are usually tolerant of his antics. Many of us tolerate him because he's a Saint, but get annoyed by his antics semi regularly. And then there's probably a few of us out there that can't stand him. Between his showboating, competitive nature, minor injuries, and bouts with dehydration, there's always something to talk about when it comes to Shockey. This time around, he's tweaked his knee in camp. It's apparently no big deal, but he's been held out the last few days of practice, restricting his activity to riding the bike. Forgetting his personality, antics and off the field habits for a second, though, I have to wonder - is this guy ever 100% healthy? Is he ever not banged up?

 

Star-divide

I've got this sick feeling in my stomach that we're in for another season of Jeremy Shockey limping around the field. The guy does play through his physical issues, this much is true. Either he's the biggest warrior in the NFL, or he's a little dramatic about the bumps and bruises he suffers. Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle. If you saw Jeff Duncan's vlog, he seems to think Shockey is just coasting through camp so he can avoid working out in brutal temperatures. Between the hernia, knee issues, shoulder issues, ankle issues, mental issues, and whatever else Shockey has had during his relatively short stint with the Saints, I don't ever think I've seen him operating at anything close to full strength. Granted, Shockey at 70 or 80% is probably better than the vast majority of tight ends in the NFL. Still, I'm glad that David Thomas was added last year, and that we drafted Jimmy Graham to be our tight end of the future (hopefully). The bottom line is I wouldn't invest in Shockey any more than we already have at this point. He's largely limped through the entirety of his two seasons in New Orleans, and by the time his contract expires in 2011, he'll be months away from 32 years of age. I'm not saying the guy isn't a playmaker, there is no question he is. But I'm still curious how well he fits in the team's locker room. Brees would never go public and blast a teammate, but we've all seen him tongue lash Shockey on the sideline before. 

All this aside, I still like Shockey as a part of the offense and team. That said, I'd prefer as the team progresses to rely on him less as a contributing part. Shockey cannot be a player the team needs to rely on consistently based on what I've seen. The less we have to count on Shockey, the better, I think. When he performs, we should start appreciating it as bonus instead of as a given. With David Thomas and Jimmy Graham, I now feel pretty good about where we are if Shockey were to miss several games. I'm not sure I felt this good going into the past two seasons about our depth at tight end behind Shockey. To be honest, I'd feel even a bit better if we brought Billy Miller back. But for the first time, I feel like there's two guys behind him that can hold their own blocking and are very capable pass receivers. That way, when Shockey starts back with his gimpy routine, we can actually sit his a$$ on the bench and let these other guys contribute. Watching Shockey play crippled several times during his Saints' tenure is just painful to watch sometimes. I hope I'm wrong and Shockey gets right physically and has his best season as a Saint, but my feeling is counting on it is likely to leave anyone disappointed at this point.

I've attached a poll, I'm curious how you feel about Shockey. Here's your chance to speak up on the most controversial Saints player.

Poll
How Do You Feel About Shockey?
I love him with all my heart. He's one of my favorite on the team.
269 votes
I like him, but he can be a little much sometimes.
320 votes
I tolerate him because he's a Saint, but if he was on any other team I'd probably hate him.
107 votes
I can't stand him.
64 votes

760 votes | Poll has closed

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HAMBURGERS

I tolerate him because he is a SAINT. But other than that I would not pay any attention to him.

by cscmember on Aug 4, 2010 6:11 AM CDT reply actions  

The O clicks so much better with him on the field

Last season the three games we lost he didnt play… ok you can scratch week 17 if you like but still… David Thomas, however reliable, doesnt stretch the field the way he does

How much has he got left…. I dont think he will be around like a Tony Gonzalez but I would be very happy if he plays out his contract here, if only to mentor Jimmy-Boy

His antics do not bother me one bit and beware of some of the media who are masters in throwing people under the bus…

You are my people, you are my crowd, this is our music, we love it loud...

by bondcrash on Aug 4, 2010 6:30 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Last season the three games we lost he didnt play

thats the bottomline how do you not love this guy? all he wants to do is win,injuries are part of the game..dont see any negativity on Pierre Thomas by the way is HURT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2009 NFC SOUTH CHAMPS
2009 NFC CHAMPS
2009 SB44 CHAMPS
WHO DAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by SAINTS#12 on Aug 4, 2010 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

When it came time to buy a jersey with the little Super Bowl patch on it, I went with Shockey. I’ll probably still wear my Drew Brees jersey most Sundays since it brought so much good luck last year, but the Shockey jersey is now in the rotation.

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Aug 4, 2010 7:07 AM CDT reply actions  

I second the hamburger vote. Shockey doesn’t bother me in the least, nor do I profess an undying love for the guy. He’s just the Saints current starting tight end to me.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Aug 4, 2010 7:07 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.

by Dan Kelly on Aug 4, 2010 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

agrred

i’d like him to stay healthy and on the field because he’s a playmaker. i’ve gotten to where i like him because of the fire he has on the field. he has alot of heart for the game.

Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!

by skinnykinney on Aug 4, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Article in poor taste

Because of your personal animus towards Shockey you’re now going to recruit others on this site to slime him.
Auditioning for Mike Florio’s gig?

by CobraJet428 on Aug 4, 2010 7:59 AM CDT reply actions  

I can't agree

What is poor taste from a professional reporter is fair game on a fan site, which is what this essentially is. Here, I don’t believe there should be anything that can’t be questioned if it is believed to be for the betterment of our team. Shockey is good when he is healthy, but let’s be honest, how often has that happened since he became a Saint. I do give him credit for being better at minimizing the off season distractions since he joined the Saints (attending OTA’s and the like), but he spends an awful lot of time at much less than 100%.

by theprogrammerman on Aug 4, 2010 8:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Rats, that should have been attached to the above comment. Got to watch more carefully next time.

by theprogrammerman on Aug 4, 2010 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

We have more important things to think about than Shockey....

Like fixing the featured poll to include DB, or other.

"Why do you even ponder passing? I mean, you can take a knee and try a 56 yard field goal! This is not Detroit man, this is the Superbowl!" -- Paul Allen's call after Tracy Porter intercepted Brett Favre in NFCCG

by DrWhoDat on Aug 4, 2010 8:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Me thinks only Dave can add that to the poll.

I don’t see a way where I have access to change it. Dave will be back this weekend I think, so suggest it to him once he makes his first post after the vacation.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Aug 4, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

He played 13 out of 16 regular season games, which is more than 80%.
Chris Paul can’t even say that b/c he only played about 55% of the games last year!!

by slumD on Aug 4, 2010 8:39 AM CDT reply actions  

oh wow, well played

that’s like 4 points. slumD, it’s going to take a furious run by someone to catch up to you. You’re definitely in control now. Careful though because Joseph William Stern isn’t that far behind.

by Andrew Juge on Aug 4, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

That’s really “’nuff said” at the one minute mark, but I’ll elaborate. Shockey can be obnoxious, no doubt, but he always seems willing to give more than he asks for.

With guys like Vick and Roethlisburger running around doing what they do, I’ll happily embrace Shockey and Ochocinco’s brand of jackassery.

by Jimbo03 on Aug 4, 2010 9:12 AM CDT reply actions  

REC-BOOMZINGA-POW for the link.

I spend so much time remembering the mauling of Fav-rah and the subsequent SB win I forget about the Saints/Cardinals blowout.

The epic McCray block on Warner after Smith’s interception still bruises my eyeballs when I watch it. 45-14!

The P.S. at the end of the clip is also very cool, “To: Brett Favre, The Saints Are Coming”

How prolific indeed.

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on Aug 4, 2010 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shockey’s injury prone, and that’s not going to change. But he plays hurt. He’s an Okie idiot, but no more of an obnoxious showboater than Lance Moore. He is no longer a team distraction after indoctrination by Payton and Brees.

He caught the game winning touchdown in the Super Bowl.

He’s mentoring the Graham kid, who is his likely successor.

Not much to complain about here.

I got no friends 'cause they read the papers
They can't be seen with me

by stujo4 on Aug 4, 2010 9:18 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

One hundred percent agree with Stu. Guy gets injured because he plays the game so hard he sometimes plays beyond the limits of what his own body can take. Then he still limps on the field with one leg and scores a TD in the Patriots game.

He hasn’t been a distraction in camp or on the field since the day he became a Saint. Even the pool incident happened outside normal camp time and he admitted he was a moron and got back to work.

I wish our entire team had his kind of heart and desire when it came to wanting to produce and be on the field as much as this guy does.

by jeff.l.b on Aug 4, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

“Then he still limps on the field with one leg and scores a TD in the Patriots game.”

Then proceeds to execute a backwards tumbleset, further injuring said leg.

Stu nailed it @ Okie idiot. But yeah, he’s a trooper.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Aug 4, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Think you need to rewatch that move bud. He continued his momentum backward, then pushed off with his hands so he could land and put the pressure on his one GOOD leg. He did that to NOT further injure his bad leg. Should rewatch that. Was 100% him trying not to hurt it further.

He might be the occasional idiot…but that tumbleset was not.

by jeff.l.b on Aug 4, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here’s another way to NOT further injure a bad leg …

don’t perform backwards tumblesets.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Aug 4, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

"Why do you even ponder passing? I mean, you can take a knee and try a 56 yard field goal! This is not Detroit man, this is the Superbowl!" -- Paul Allen's call after Tracy Porter intercepted Brett Favre in NFCCG

by DrWhoDat on Aug 4, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sigh.

Okies are no more idiots than Louisianans.

In the immortal words of Socrates, "I drank what?"

by SaintSooner on Aug 5, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know a few of both … and you probably have a point.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Aug 5, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's look at it like this:

2010 record in games in which Shockey started: 16-0, including Super Bowl win. Record without Shockey starting: 0-3. Okay, so there’s probably more to it than that, but let’s face it – the guy has not been disruptive, has been completely enthusiastic, worked his tail off and is deeply liked by Sean Payton. Brees loves him and he’s not afraid to give up his body to make a play over the middle. He’s given his all for the Saints and done so with a smile on his face the whole time. And he had pizzas delivered to all the floats before the victory parade. Shockey is good people.

by Nabb1 on Aug 4, 2010 9:23 AM CDT reply actions  

“is deeply liked by Sean Payton. Brees loves him and he’s not afraid to give up his body”

I’m starting to feel uncomfortable.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Aug 4, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

come on CP it’s 2010. What happens in the locker room stays in the locker room.

by jeff.l.b on Aug 4, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bom chicka wow wow

by Jon Banks on Aug 4, 2010 11:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I've never seen that written out before, but I think you nailed it, J08 - nice!

Sean Payton and the players need to focus on the upcoming season and defending the title but I don’t.

by Hans Petersen on Aug 4, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Had to rec it, that’s funny.

Oh friend of mine,
Don't be denied.

by stujo4 on Aug 5, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I trhink this gives insight as to why there are so few great tight ends who can

be big enough to block and play the position, be agile enough and fast enough to run pass routes and play the position, and be resilient enough to run all around the field doing all kinds of things and stay healthy. It’s a hard position to be good at and stay healthy. When you do catch a pass (or drop or miss one) tthere are usually 3 – 4 helmets on you. Then there’s the DEs that you have to block .

"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking

by Philinwood on Aug 4, 2010 9:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Shockey is top notch in my book

If you pay attention you’ll see that on most plays not involving him, he seems to be the first guy to run up and either congratulate a fellow player or console that player if that player messed up. To me that’s teamwork and brotherhood and the kind of character that good teams need. He may be injury prone but he seems to fight through that and as long as he’s giving his all, that’s all you can ask for as a fan. If he sucked or lacked talent, then the injury thing would be more of an issue and you could not help but rather someone else be in that position who’s more productive and healthy; but the guy is awesome when healthy and still puts forth huge effort when not and combined with the fact that he is talented at the position, you have to have tolerance to the injury bug that seems to have bit him. Aside from injuries, I think we are lucky to have him.

by narco301 on Aug 4, 2010 10:17 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

“If he sucked or lacked talent, then the injury thing would be more of an issue and you could not help but rather someone else be in that position who’s more productive and healthy”

Agreed. This is why I never had a problem drafting Brian Westbrook in fantasy football. Boom (typical performance) or bust (injury) players are better than steady average players, imo. Only because those average players will get you a big fat zero sometimes, too. Conversely, they rarely (if ever) go off on a 250 all-purpose yd, 4 TD tear. At least with injuries, you’re going to have a red flag going into the next game. That’s where depth comes into play. Same thing in real football, to a certain extent. We have good depth at the TE position, so anything a potential stud like Shockey manages to muster up on a given week is just that much more firepower at a position we don’t lean on heavily as it is.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Aug 4, 2010 10:27 AM CDT reply actions  

I love Shockey.

I love him because he’s a Saint. If he was on some other team, I wouldn’t care one way or the other. He plays hard and he plays hurt. I think great things happen when he’s on the field.

"It's better to burn out than fade away."

by SaintsFan-KS on Aug 4, 2010 10:59 AM CDT reply actions  

He played twelve regular season games and all of the playoff games last year. Considering how much so many other people were injured last year and for how long, I hadn’t thought of his “gimpy routine” as a problem.

by AJG on Aug 4, 2010 11:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Whoops, I meant thirteen regular season games. Even better.

by AJG on Aug 4, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

TWSS

"Why do you even ponder passing? I mean, you can take a knee and try a 56 yard field goal! This is not Detroit man, this is the Superbowl!" -- Paul Allen's call after Tracy Porter intercepted Brett Favre in NFCCG

by DrWhoDat on Aug 4, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's a beast

I love his attitude and excitement during the games. It gets me and I bet every other player on our team pumped up and ready to score more. He also gets along quite well with his teammates from what I’ve heard, even going to bobby Mac’s wedding (when Bobby wasn’t even part of the team anymore). I only remember one incident of Drew chewing him out, during the first year he was here (a third down play that he ran the wrong route on). He’s just a rough all out guy. That costs him in the injury department some, but helps a whole lot when he’s out there on the field. Got me a Shockey jersey too!

by ReggieVilma on Aug 4, 2010 12:46 PM CDT reply actions  

He is one of the keys to the offense

The difference with him in the game is so dramatic that our other tight ends should be embarrassed.

by xen-cuts on Aug 4, 2010 2:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Shockey

I like Shockey. If you notice every tight end the Saints have get hurt sometime or another, I guess It’s just a rough position to play.
 I do miss Billy Miller, I think he was a good tight end.

by tommy v on Aug 4, 2010 4:37 PM CDT reply actions  

a$$

You gotta tolerate our guys. We let Grant and Will Smith do whatever they didn’t do; We forgave the ‘pharmacists’ this summer; We let Hartley drive dirty (Now any Saints fan will pick him up); Reggie Bush, Joe Horn, and Kyle Turley with their crazy antics. So sit his a$$ on the bench and let the next Saint shine! He might be scared of being replaced by the next TE star.

"Some play to see and be seen, Some play to say they have played, Some play to sleep and make money, But Saints go there to Win"

by Lostastic on Aug 4, 2010 5:51 PM CDT reply actions  

And that's a rec

"Either you deal with what is the reality or you can be sure that the reality is going to deal with you." - Alex Haley

by SBookerSaintsFan on Aug 4, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wrecked!!!!

I love the guy. He is our rock star that is also a dedicated player (in more ways than one).

The youth of our nation are supposed to be the leaders of tomorrow, but how can that be when they are the idots of today?
SaintsFanInIraq

by maybetoday on Aug 4, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Greeeeeeeeen!

Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.

by Dan Kelly on Aug 5, 2010 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd that's a rec!

Dude, you kill me sometimes. LMAO! Can’t wait for Dave to see this.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Aug 5, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Myth?

Too bad his salary isn’t fictitious.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Aug 5, 2010 7:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Are you upset because that money is tainted?

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on Aug 5, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

If by “tainted” you mean “not in my pocket”, then yes. Yes, I am.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Aug 5, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, taint yours.

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on Aug 5, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

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