CSC All-Time Saints Team Nominations: Quarterback
by Dave Cariello on Aug 9, 2010 6:00 AM CDT
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PrintIt's the moment you've all been waiting for. The moment you've been dreaming about since last summer when we first began our Canal Street Chronicles All-Time Saints Team. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to begin the process of selecting the greatest quarterback ever to wear the black & gold.
After the jump you'll find the obvious three slingers I've nominated: Archie Manning, Bobby Hebert and Drew Brees. I know there are a few other possible names worthy of inclusion - and feel free to talk about them - but personally I think we should limit the ballot to just these three. Talk it out below.
The poll will open at 6am Central tomorrow morning and will be open for exactly 48 hours, ending on Thursday, August 12th.
I now open it up for any other nominations of players that you just can't believe I missed or to have one of the players listed below removed from tomorrows ballot. There very well may be a glaring omission or a player you just can't believe I missed. Talk it out below. I would also love to hear some personal rumination from our readers who've actually watched these guys play. Remember, this isn't just about choosing a player but allowing readers to share their memories of these players and educating those of us who never had a chance to see them.
Archie Manning
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 212 lbs.
D.O.B.: 8/19/1949
College: Mississippi
NFL Experience: 13 seasons
Seasons with Saints: 1971-1982
Notables: Two-time Pro Bowler (1978, 1979)
Bobby Hebert
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 215 lbs.
D.O.B.: 8/19/1960
College: Northwest State
NFL Experience: 11 seasons
Seasons with Saints: 1985-1992
Notables: One-time Pro Bowler (1993)
Drew Brees
Height: 6'0"
Weight: 209 lbs.
D.O.B.: 1/15/1979
College: Purdue
NFL Experience: 9 seasons
Seasons with Saints: 2006-2009
Notables: Four-time Pro Bowler (2004, 2006, 2008, 2009). First-Team All-Pro (2006). Super Bowl MVP (2009)
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Do Archie and Hebert . . .
. . . really share a birthday? I did not know that.
"Why would I even consider taking the ball out of Drew Brees’ hands?’’
I guess your right
I mean there was nobody else in those three’s league as far as what they did for the Saints, there were guys who did more other places before and after being a Saint but you it this right imho.
Gris Gris Man, Voodoo Surgeon General and Master of Witch Doctory
If J. Fourcade would've been the QB...
during the Dome Patrol days, the Saints would’ve had at least one SB championship & maybe two.
In alphabetical order
Drew Brees
Aaron Brooks
Bobby Hebert
Billy Kilmer
Archie Manning
Ken Stabler
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Brooks is a given. Statistically the best QB in team history prior to Brees. Two time Pro Bowl alternate, led team to first playoff victory off the bench (without both the team’s leading rusher and receiver), lowest INT% for both a single season (lowest in NFL in 2003; 23rd lowest in NFL history) and a career (42nd lowest in NFL history), most TD passes in a playoff game, most TD passes in a career prior to Brees, highest career passer rating of any Saints QB with 2500+ attempts, second highest overall prior to Brees (Everett was 1st), never lost more than 9 games in a season as full-time starter, top two TD totals for a season prior to Brees, second most career games started, second most career attempts, third most career completions, second most career yards.
Kilmer was our best QB prior to Manning, this after being converted from a HB. In fact, he has a better career winning percentage (27.1%) than Manning (27.1%) as a Saints starter. A two time All Pro, Kilmer beat out much heralded QB Gary Cuozzo for the starting position on the inaugural Saints team, and would later go on to play in a SB with the Redskins. He started four seasons for a hapless Saints team and deserves some level of recognition based on this fact alone.
Stabler was a 4 time Pro Bowler, won a SB with the Raiders and was the 1974 NFL MVP. He twice led the NFL in passing TDs and will likely be inducted into Canton someday down the line. Aside from Hebert and Brees, he’s the only Saints QB of note with a non-losing career record (.500 as a starter).
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
OK!
Pizza…I gotta be honest! When you put Brooks down, I felt like hugging a toilet, but when I really thought about it, your right! It’s sad, but your right! Statistically when you take his performance in comparison to the other garbage we’ve had, I can’t argue with you! Just makes me that more thankful for Mr. Brees! Who I will admit that I was not excited when they signed him! To coach Payton and Mr. Loomis…Thanks for not listening to my opinion!
by Saint for life on Aug 9, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Stabler
He was the one that brought us so close to our first winning season and messed it up with seconds to go in last game…..Gaaah
"Why do you even ponder passing? I mean, you can take a knee and try a 56 yard field goal! This is not Detroit man, this is the Superbowl!" -- Paul Allen's call after Tracy Porter intercepted Brett Favre in NFCCG
Are you talking about the safety against Dallas? Blame Wayne Wilson.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
safety against rams
"Why do you even ponder passing? I mean, you can take a knee and try a 56 yard field goal! This is not Detroit man, this is the Superbowl!" -- Paul Allen's call after Tracy Porter intercepted Brett Favre in NFCCG
Brooks is a Given?.....
Gimme a break, for all of his athletic ability the guy had the heart of a Guinea pig….
Please
"If you ain't the lead dog, the view never changes"
Bum Phillips
Heart of a guinea pig, yet he played three games with a partially torn rotator cuff in his throwing shoulder. Maybe you would have appreciated him more had he missed an entire season with tendinitis in the same shoulder, eh Saint Kettle? Or if he was white. I guess either would have won you over eventually.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
by coldpizza on Aug 9, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or if he was white.
That ought to be typed on this site, oh, daily. Thank you, CP.
"We're not homosexuals, we're divorced!"
Oh I regret that already
Not daily. Even I’d get sick of that.
But there have been many times when I wanted to type that here and I did not.
"We're not homosexuals, we're divorced!"
Wish that would never need to be said. I never liked Aaron Brooks. He was a better than average QB for us, his numbers more than deserve to be on the ballot hands down. I never warmed up to him for a lot of the same reasons it seemed the team didn’t, he just never seemed capable of grabbing the team and pulling them together and leading them. I never questioned his heart though, nor his work off the field and his foundation. I don’t care who you are, if you don’t have Brooks in the Saints top 4 QBs…i think something’s wrong.
What? Oh I get it.
Somebody writes something you disagree with, so play the race card.
No one on this site should assume someone is racist because they think Archie is better than Brooks or vice-versa. That is a ridiculous and reckless assumption that has no place on this blog.
Keep that crap out of here.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 9, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
This don’t have anything to do with comment, but the first time I seen Bernie Mac doing his “every family got somebody that’s not properly right in it” routine I thought about Brooks.
by shn_hldn on Aug 9, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Edd Hargett. Greatest QB in Saints history. Look at these stats…hell, where did I put those. Well, I can’t find them, but trust me: vote for Edd Hargett. He has two Ds in his name.
I’m sorry, I’m trying hard, but I can’t think of anything sillier than voting for anyone but Drew Brees. This should be unanimous.
It was worth the wait.
I can think of something sillier … thinking this will be unanimous.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
by coldpizza on Aug 9, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
he didn't say "will be"... but he is DEAD ON..... "This should be unanimous."
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
No, this vote should represent people’s personal opinions … not just yours, MtnExile’s or my own. If the people voting feel as though someone else is more worthy … and there ARE some statistical indicators that would support that opinion (career passing yards as a Saint, for example) … then they should vote for that particular player.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
“career passing yards as a Saint”?
YOU more than anyone else know that that’s not as important as TD’s/game or TD’s/attempt or yards/game or yards/attempt.
YOU are the one that astutely points out those kinds of stats in other discussions.
…not to mention playoff wins, Super Bowl wins, Super Bowl MVP as a Saint, single season passing yards, single season accuracy percentage.
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Do people have the RIGHT to vote their conscience? Of course.
If they’ve been paying attention at all during the last 4 years, their conscience SHOULD tell them to vote Brees.
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
by Dan Kelly on Aug 9, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
“YOU more than anyone else know that that’s not as important as TD’s/game or TD’s/attempt or yards/game or yards/attempt.
YOU are the one that astutely points out those kinds of stats in other discussions."
That’s because I recognize the importance of those other factors. At the same time, there are literally millions of people that believe Dan Marino is the greatest QB in the history of the NFL, Emmitt Smith the greatest RB, Jerry Rice the greatest WR etc., based PURELY on their yardage totals. I’m not outright ignorant to that fact.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
What about career winning percentage as a Saints starter? Do you not think that’s relatively important statistic? Hebert still has him beat … 62.0 to 61.8. Slightly more convincingly in the regular season. Again, this is just one category, but it may very well be the ONLY one that matters to some people. If that’s the case, then they SHOULD vote for Hebert.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Or assuming someone is racist
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 9, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Come off it. There are definitely some racist Saints fans. Maybe not on this thread or on this blog, but I know there are some.
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by Joseph William Stern on Aug 9, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I would think that Drew Brees will be the first Saints QB to go into the Hall of Fame
But 4 pro-bowls, 2 all-pro selections, a Super Bowl win, an NFL MVP, being on the all-decade team for the 70s and leading the league in passing twice doesn’t seem to be enough to get Ken Stabler in. So at this point, its hard to tell what the cutoff point is.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
How much of that did Stabler do with the Saints?
Obviously, no playoff wins… but any playoff appearances with the Saints?
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
What does that have to do with whether he gets into the HOF or not?
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
sorry… didn’t realize it was a HoF discussion… I thought we were talking about voting for Ken over Drew for this poll.
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
If Brees’s career ended today, I doubt he’d ever see Canton. If he continues to be one of the top 2 or 3 QBs in the league over the next five seasons or so, I can’t see how he wouldn’t get in. Maybe not first ballot, but it would be hard to ignore a body of work that impressive, his three slouch years in SD included.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Gotta Disagree here!
He has the 2nd highest single season passing yardage total, the highest completion percentage in NFL history, a superbowl MVP, 4 pro bowls and 2 all pro selections. That sounds like a recipe for Canton Soup to me! Oh, I forgot about 4 consecutive seasons with more than 4k passing yards!
by Saint for life on Aug 9, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
OOPS!
I meant the single season highest completion percentage in NFL history!
by Saint for life on Aug 9, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I’m fully aware of his accomplishments over the last 6 years. Are you familiar with his first three seasons as a Charger? There literally dozens of QBs who have performed up to Brees’s level (in scale with the peers of their own era) over a six year stretch, that aren’t currently in the HOF. Trust me, it would be an uphill struggle, if what you have seen so far is all that appeared on his resume.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
“Oh, I forgot about 4 consecutive seasons with more than 4k passing yards!”
On a record number of attempts over that very same span. No one on the induction committee is going gaga over cumulative totals. Otherwise, Vinny Testaverde, Boomer Esiason, Dave Kreig, John Hadl, Sam Snead, etc., would be appearing on finalist ballots left and right.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
So.....
The body of work of Dan Fouts, Warren Moon and Brian Griese are good enough to get into the hall, but Drew’s isn’t? Pennington? Come on! You know that stats alone won’t get you into the HOF. Drew is America’s darling and no one has ever done the things for a city that Drew has. Not only if he retired at the end of this season do I think he get in, but becuz of what he did for the gulf region, he gets in on the 1st ballot!
by Saint for life on Aug 9, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Bob Griese is in the pro hall of fame.
You really meant Brian? You got some splaining to do.
"We're not homosexuals, we're divorced!"
“Not only if he retired at the end of this season do I think he get in, but becuz of what he did for the gulf region, he gets in on the 1st ballot”
Enjoy your crack.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Yeah, that’s not likely. Those sportswriters aren’t giving Brees his due now, why would they do it after retirement? Unless he died in a fiery car crash or was the victim of a senseless liquor store holdup. They usually don’t take off field activities into consideration, or at least they aren’t supposed to.
"We're not homosexuals, we're divorced!"
You’d also have to consider all the players that would be eligible along with Brees in five years, meaning everyone who retired the same year he did, plus anyone else snubbed in years prior. That’s all squeezed into six or seven slots, one or two of which are typically executives (this year was a rare exception with none), two more of which are from the senior ballot. So, basically four tops. Just from his retirement class, he’d likely be up against Favre, Gonzalez and possibly Ray Lewis. Realize that there are players FAR more worthy (thusfar) than Brees, that have played their ENTIRE CAREERS and are still waiting to get in. You have zero concept of the process and/or the backlog, if you think a one time SB winner with six good years in the league is just going to cruise in on his first at bat.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
That was directed at Saint for life, not Stu. And I agree, a freakish death might push the envelope some. Still, Derrick Thomas waited a while.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I always thought that the image of a frustrated Thomas sitting in the mud after his disastrous showing against Shannon Sharpe in Denver stuck in too many people’s heads when it came to Derrick Thomas. He was the most electric OLB i ever saw.
Drew Brees will get in
Even though Stabler hasn’t, the fact that Drew did it with New Orleans is what will get him in. Voters will put him in for taking New Orleans to the Super Bowl, and for what that did to the city.
"Here's the funny thing. Last night, I couldn't sleep too well. I called my dad (Bill) at 2:15 in the morning, and told him I had a feeling I was going to hit the game-winner from 42 yards on the right hash. I think I was two yards off."- Garrett Hartley
<<thinks you stole my profile pic
LOL
"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44
by jeremysherwin on Aug 9, 2010 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
My ranking:
1. Drew Brees
2. Drew is so far ahead of second place, there is no second place.
3. Aaron Brooks
4. (tie) Bobby Hebert / Archie Manning
I can’t think of anything sillier than voting for anyone but Drew Brees. This should be unanimous.
I concur.
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
1. Brees
2. Brooks
3. Hebert
4. Everett *
5. Manning
6. Stabler
7. Kilmer
- I wouldn’t have a problem with Everett on the ballot, as he DID put up impressive numbers with the Saints … I just view him in roughly the same vein as Stabler, and Snake had the better overall career. Figuring seven is too many names for a ballot, I’d rather pay homage to a legend (Stabler), a pioneer (Kilmer) and a long-time face of the franchise (Manning), than a 3rd-4th statistical pseudo-giant, if that makes any sense.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Everett also knocked Jim Rome out flat on his a$$.
That’s got to be worth an honorable mention. BTW, I like Jim Rome much more now that he’s older, but back then, for those who may not remember, Jim Rome needed a pop in the mouth when he was a lot younger and trying to make a name for himself.
Enh...
To my mind, that’s like advertising a house by saying “Now with 20% less Chinese drywall!” Still can’t stand the punk.
In the immortal words of Socrates, "I drank what?"
Where's all the Billy Joes?
Didn’t we have about a dozen different Billy Joes QB for us? Seriously, Brees will get my vote. I respect Archie and Bobby, but Drew wins this decision.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Aug 9, 2010 9:37 AM CDT reply actions
I think it should just go to Brees
why bother with the formality of a poll? If there is a poll, though, Aaron Brooks has to be on there. He was never my favorite, but statistically he deserves to be up there along w/ Archie and Hebert.
No offense to anybody
But I think the poll is fine the way it is. It’s really going to come down to Brees, Manning, or Hebert. Probably just Brees or Manning. The more people included, the more the votes will get split. In my opinion, it should be Brees. In his 4 years here, he’s thrown for more yards and more TD’s than anyone in the history of the NFL over a 4 year span. Did I mention he led us to a Super Bowl victory and was named SB MVP?
Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!
Who wants Aaron Brooks on the ballot?
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Yes.
But in all honesty, I think that the Libertarian and Green and Natural Law party candidates should be included on political ballots, so YMMV.
In the immortal words of Socrates, "I drank what?"
Yes
But only for the Honorable Mention… (Like he even lurks on these boards…)
Arron Brooks:(with big cheesy grin) Why does my computer have a blue screen? It’s not working…
The Saints must repeat so I can watch the Saints win the Superbowl LIVE... Not on vhs two months later....
Sure, why not?
He was frustrating during his last few years with us, but he did have some good moments (mostly in 2000).
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Aug 9, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes
"Here's the funny thing. Last night, I couldn't sleep too well. I called my dad (Bill) at 2:15 in the morning, and told him I had a feeling I was going to hit the game-winner from 42 yards on the right hash. I think I was two yards off."- Garrett Hartley
yes
Sean Payton and the players need to focus on the upcoming season and defending the title but I don’t.
by Hans Petersen on Aug 9, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Sí.
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by Joseph William Stern on Aug 9, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
In 2000 I thought we had something special but unfortunately it seemed like Aaron Brooks was at his best when he was free stylin like most back ups are. He wasnt really a system guy and that was his downfall when we tried to get him to run the entire offense he couldnt handle it. But he was without a doubt our most physically gifted QB and he deserves a spot on this list.
by GESWhoseBack on Aug 9, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Who wants Billy Kilmer on the ballot?
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Hell no. Bandwagon jumper. Never liked him with any team. Still wore Vitalis in 1972. And he’s from Topeka. GAAAA!!!
"We're not homosexuals, we're divorced!"
Yeah.
Snap, place, kick! And it's good! It's good! It's goo-hoo-hood! Pigs have flown! Hell Has frozen over! The Saints are going to the Superbowl!
by Joseph William Stern on Aug 9, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do teams take the field every year?
To compete for and win the Lombardi Trophy.
Which Saints QB has done that?
Drew Brees
’nuff said.
The Saints must repeat so I can watch the Saints win the Superbowl LIVE... Not on vhs two months later....
Why do teams take the field every game?
To win.
Which Saints QB has done that most often?
Bobby Hebert.
Obviously not ’nuff said.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
How many coaches have won but still got fired for not taking a team to the superbowl?
The Saints must repeat so I can watch the Saints win the Superbowl LIVE... Not on vhs two months later....
Winning is the short term goal, the Lombardi Trophy is the long term goal, Without the first you can’t get the last. If winning was the main goal, then why have a post season?
Case in point:
I asked: Why do teams take the field every year?
You asked: Why do teams take the field every game?
Notice the difference? And truth be told… The main goal of any team is to make the owner very rich.
The better argument against what I said was your whole pre2009 only argument. Which I do agree with and render my point moot.
I’m still voting for Brees based on his leadership both on and off of the field.
The Saints must repeat so I can watch the Saints win the Superbowl LIVE... Not on vhs two months later....
Red Sanders once said “winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing”. Sanders only won one national championship, yet he was 102-41-3 as a coach. I’m going to go out on a limb and say he was just speaking of winning football games in general.
“If winning was the main goal, then why have a post season?”
Because it offers more opportunities to win.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Let's see ...
using that logic:
Jim Plunkett and Ken Stabler were both better Raiders QBs than Daryle Lamonica.
Mark Rypien and Doug Williams were both better Redskins QBs than Sammy Baugh and Sonny Jurgensen.
Jim McMahon was a better Bears QB than Sid Luckman.
Phil Simms, Jeff Hostetler and Eli Manning were all both better Giants QBs than Y.A. Tittle.
Kurt Warner was a better Rams QB than Norm Van Brocklin.
Trent Dilfer was a better Ravens QB than Steve McNair and Vinny Testaverde.
Brad Johnson was a better Buccaneers QB than Doug Williams and Steve Young.
Does all of the above sound both accurate and inarguable?
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
by coldpizza on Aug 9, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ve brought this up a few times before, so I may as well be consistent … anyone giving credit to Brees for a Super Bowl victory … for his percentage completion record, etc. … basically anything that transpired post-January 2009 … do realize that current players, such as Marques Colston, who appeared on ballots voted on PRIOR to the 2009 season, were not afforded those same games to play into their body of work. While I personally don’t think that makes a difference, 3 good years doesn’t exactly slam the door shut on the best Saint QB ever conversation.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
yes how can one player have SB credentials and the other 52 do not? I thought Dave was so late in doing this that yall wasn’t using 2009 year?
That was the main argument in Sharper and Porter not even being on the ballot, but for Brees its different? DO tell.
If this was last year, would Brees even be mentioned? Everyone would be saying Manning, slam dunk, unanimous, 97%, why are we even voting.
I don’t think it would be a slam dunk either way. Drew still had the numbers, he just didn’t have the Super Bowl. It would be pretty close between the 2, and I think Aaron Brooks would be receiving quite a bit of support as well
"Here's the funny thing. Last night, I couldn't sleep too well. I called my dad (Bill) at 2:15 in the morning, and told him I had a feeling I was going to hit the game-winner from 42 yards on the right hash. I think I was two yards off."- Garrett Hartley
yeah......... No.
If this poll had been done at the beginning of this season, Brees would/should still be the winner… but, by a much, MUCH smaller margin.
And, he would have won (good, bad, or otherwise) because so many votes were taken away from Manning by Hebert and Brooks… and rightfully so.
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
He would’ve also gotten a lot of votes, simply because he’s the most recent QB on the list to play for the Saints. That’s been a theme from the beginning, in case you’re just tuning in.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
good, bad, or otherwise… you are correct about the recency vote…
in this particular case, the most recent was still the best, so no harm in it this time. ;-)
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
Yes Brees would be mentioned and be a frontrunner.
Throwing out the 2005 stats from a season in turmoil with a dislocated team. From 2004 the team ranked 12th in passing yards with 224.2 ypg, in 2006 they ranked 1st with 281.4 ypg, 2007 4th with 269.6, 2008 1st again with 311.1. NFC Championship Game in 2006, 5000+ yard season in 2008. I grew up watching Archie scrambling for his life it seemed hoping not to have to endure a Bobby Scott substitution. But Brees is by far the best QB the Saints have had to this point. His quick read and release are a big reason for his low sack count in this same time span. His accuracy and ball placement also account for a lot of the completions. No he doesn’t do it all by himself and you won’t get an arguement from me on that. But as a QB he is the best one in the Saints past and present.
I wouldn't disagree by stealing it either though, you know...
we got the black masks on... we got to get out of here. Hopefully
the police don't catch us on the way out.---Roman Harper
by NOSFan4Life on Aug 10, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
On this topic i shall be Switzerland.
After i vote…i will still be pretending to eat fine chocolate and make the world’s best clocks.
dude, no love for the Billy Joe's? what about Steve Walsh?
jokes…Brees…no question
by A DOG NAMED DEUCE on Aug 9, 2010 11:33 AM CDT reply actions
Nothing wrong with a debate for debate's sake, but...
You could put every Saints QB ever not he list and Brees will still garner 97%+ of the vote. As he should. This is a Saints All-Time ballot, not the pro football HoF or anything else. Slam dunk, easiest vote of all the positions, including the LBs which were pretty darn easy.
how was lb easy? Where is Vilma and his SB credentials? See its not as easy when 4/5 of team was picked before SB season.
Exactly. Easiest vote, including the four votes that didn’t take place? Doesn’t make much sense to me. Not that I would’ve voted Vilma, but I’m sure quite a few of the people who champion the SB victory as some sort of divine stigmata on an individual player level would have let it influence their votes.
Btw, did Andersen or McAllister get a higher percentage of the votes? I’m too lazy to go back and check.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Are we looking at Drew's body of work?
He has more playoff victories than any other Saints QB, better stats than any other Saints QB, more accolades than any other Saints QB! If Archie had talent around him, who knows? If Herbert had an offensive coordinator that new you are allowed to throw on 1st and 2nd down? If Aaron Brooks’ brain was half as gifted as his body? Drew has all the right elements in the right place at the right time. Now ask all of those other guys if they would trade places with him. Bet they say “YES!!!”….Well maybe not Brooks! Not smart enuff!
by Saint for life on Aug 9, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Playoff victories? How many do the Dome Patrol® have? None, yet they all are in. Last years lb corp, have 3 wins and a SB victory.
Which brings me to a Wiki article I read other day saying that Rickey Jackson brought the Saints to be perennial contenders? How? Contenders win “some” playoff games not none. Ask me I would say they were the “Great Pretenders”.
a. No one’s debating whether he’s the best or not. We’re talking about how much better he is than other Saints QBs, as compared to how much better than the winners of other position elections were over their positional peers.
Brooks is smart enough to know how to spell “enough”."I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
yeah, that is weird…
if you use capital B, you should be ok
B. see
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
I haven’t been here long enough to realize that 2009 was excluded from consideration. I was just taking the question to be, as of the day of the posting of the poll, who is the greatest Saints QB of all time? To me, as of August 9th at 4:00 AM, that’s Brees every day of the week and twice Sunday. If we wanted to re-vote on LBs, I’m sure people could make cogent arguments for Vilma over Sam Mills or V. Johnson. I wouldn’t take Vilma above either and don’t consider it really close, even though I really like him and love what he did for the team the past two seasons.
Getting back to the post above, that was the point of my original post, if poorly delivered: Ignore the LBs. No one’s debating is Brees is the best or not. Isn’t that the end of the thread?
I personally don’t think Vilma has been around enough to merit consideration, but I do think he fits a 4-3 scheme better than either Mills or Johnson would. Same goes for Joe Federspiel and Winfred Tubbs.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Vilma scares me personally more than any other player on the team.
"We're not homosexuals, we're divorced!"
Have you considered leaving your porch light on?
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
by coldpizza on Aug 9, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Vilma is good..but still only one season;
…especially compared to the Dome Patrol (Jackson/Johnson/Mills/Swilling), who was consistently great, if not dominating, for at least 4 seasons.
Vilma would probably be the third inside backer in my HOF Saints squad.
Which brings me to the one and only knock I have about this entire project: it’s reduced to selecting only ONE person per position for a starting TEAM..and it’s impossible in most cases to adequately place many talented people in one position.
If this was done in the way of putting together a 53-member all-time Saints SQUAD, you could have more flexibility in placing people…and there would be a bit less controversy.
Nothing against the current project and all the debate it’s ensuing, of course.
Anthony
I can agree with having Manning on the poll. I mean, the guy half-carried a horrid team to at least a few wins more than they would have had without him. Hebert, on the other hand, couldn’t even manage to let the best LB crew in the entire history of the NFL carry him to a playoff win.
As badly as I think Brooks sucked too, at least he was better than Hebert.
Now I need to go find some soap to wash out my mouth with. I just agreed with Pizza on something, and the
thought is a bit nauseating.
The question in mind should not be who should be voted the top QB in the CSC HOF,
but rather who is the backup QB. We all know that Drew will always reign supreme, but who will be his backup. Besides a kicker, it appears to be the only position that does not have a second position.
Who is second? We all know who is first.
"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44
by jeremysherwin on Aug 9, 2010 3:49 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
That would be a great debate...
I also wonder what would happen if you put Manning or Hebert in Bree’s place? Would they have the talent to do the same? Would they have thrown for 5,000+yds in ’08?
The Saints must repeat so I can watch the Saints win the Superbowl LIVE... Not on vhs two months later....
I can't believe there are this many comments on a foregone conclusion
Even CP is gong to begrudgingly vote Brees
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 9, 2010 4:48 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah, it’s not like its racist anyways, so why even vote! You can’t get any of the African American SB guys on the ballot but Brees is a shoe in, eh? TFF
Just take a look, Porter, Vilma, Colston, Greer, Sharper, et al. None of those got to use their SB win for leverage? So why Brees? Cause he white?
@that is the only logical conclusion@
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 9, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess you can't be sarcastic in your comment title on SB Nation
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 9, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Does anyone remember Drew also took us to an NFL championship game
So even with out a superbowl win he took us farther then any other QB
World Champions at last
by mississippisaintsfan on Aug 9, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
True, but he also had the luxury of a first round bye for a 10-6 team in getting to that championship game. If the rest of the NFC had been just as weak in 2000 as it was in 2006, then Brooks’s lone playoff victory would have been enough to get us to the conference championship also.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Granted, Brooks didn’t play the first half of the 2000 season … but that would be a case of Brees contributing more to their 11-7 overall record, not actually taking them farther than Brooks did. That being said, I don’t think there’s any way in Hell the 2006 Saints beat the Eagles in the playoffs without McAllister and Colston, which is basically what Brooks did in 2000.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Ahem, ah-hah, a-hem. please....
Let’s get off the race card a bit and look at the facts.
Personally, I do think that Aaron Brooks should be included in any SAINTS HOF voting simply based on his stats AS A Saint, and the fact that the led the Saints to their first playoff victory.
On the other hand, though, Drew Brees should win this hands down, not only because of his Super Bowl win, but also because his stats in the past 4 years, and his record speaks for itself.
I’d also include Bobby Hebert and Archie Manning, too, just for nostalgia sake.
Ken Stabler?? Ahhhh…no. His career as a Raider makes him perfect for the NFL HOF…but he absolutely sucked as a Saint.
Jim Everett?? A bit better than The Snake as a Saint, but not enough.
John Forcade?? One year, and a strike year at that?? Please.
Remember, this is based on numbers as a Saint….other teams stats shouldn’t count.
Anthony
“Ken Stabler?? Ahhhh…no. His career as a Raider makes him perfect for the NFL HOF…but he absolutely sucked as a Saint.”
If 11-11 as a starter = “absolutely sucking”, what can be said of Archie Manning’s 35-91-3 mark?
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Well..you could say that Archie had far worse support during his years than Stabler had with his teams.
The point is, though, that Manning carried the offense through some brutal years…while Stabler actually had a mediocre D and a running game to back him up….well, as much as Bum Phillips would give him.
I’ll take back that “absolutely sucked” quote, though, in deference.
Anthony
It's Brees, move on...
Brees is our best QB ever. Brees is the best QB in the league. It’s the only time we’ve had the best QB n the league. Who cares who is first runner-up.
by saintsdevotee on Aug 9, 2010 7:10 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
The blogging gods got me again
"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44
We wouldn't be having this conversation . . .
. . . if Brooks, Hebert, and Manning had all said good things about Gitmo. : p
"Why would I even consider taking the ball out of Drew Brees’ hands?’’
LOL!
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 10, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
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