What it all means
I'm not the first one to post his thoughts on this game, and I won't be the last either. But I'll be somewhere in the middle. Of that you can be sure. On to the thoughts...
• I'm not concerned about the offense. We executed well all night with the exception of drops by the wide receivers in critical situations. Those are individual mistakes that are easily correctable, and I expect them to be corrected by next week.
• That said: give some credit to the Minnesota defense. They're still pretty good, and they had something to do with the low point total. (Hell, even Lito played pretty well.) The Saints had chances, but they didn't capitalize on them. Other defenses give more chances. Everything will be fine.
• Garrett Hartley will be fine, too. He played well throughout the preseason; those two kicks were just aberrations that happened to occur sequentially. But they also occurred in non-critical sitations: we won anyway. He'll soon go back to being money...this was just a cash-flow situation. Nothing to worry about.
• The defense still gives up yardage on the ground too easily. Time and again Peterson found running lanes on the inside, and when he ran to the outside there was frequently nobody there at all. We're lucky Childress and Bevell are both idiots.
• Which brings us to the heart of the matter: Childress and Bevell are both idiots. This game was won by vastly superior coaching. Payton is flexible, and he pays attention. After barely rushing at all in the first half, the Saints found a way to move the interior of the Vikings' line in the second...and kept at it throughout the half. Pierre Thomas gained 69 yards on 17 carries in the second half, a 4.0 average that was good enough to keep the chains moving and run out the clock.
Childress, on the other hand, is incapable of taking advantage of what the opponent gives him. Adrian Peterson ran well, gaining a healthy 4.5 yards per carry. Yet in the second half, beginning when the Vikings actually led the game, Peterson got only six carries. But he still gained 30 yards--that's a 5.0 average. He was actually more effective in the second half!
Yet instead of possibly riding Peterson to a tough victory, the rusty and ineffective Brett Favre passed twice as often as Peterson ran: 12 times, completing only 4. Along the way there was also a sack and a holding penalty on another attempted pass play. Some of that may be on Favre checking out of running plays--who can say?--but if that's the case, Childress is cowardly in addition to clueless.
In a parallel development, Gregg Williams came up with a plan that held the Vikings in check the entire night without any "remember me hits." But when the Saints' run game caught fire in the second half, Leslie Frazier never found the answer to it. Time and again the "Williams Wall" was shunted to one side and Pierre Thomas wove his way though open running lanes.
• Overall, I think this is what we learned: the Vikings are a solid team, but brittle. They have weaknesses that will crack open when stressed. I expect to see a lot more stress, and a lot more cracks, as the season progresses. Add in the fact that Brad Clueless is...well, clueless, and I don't think they make the playoffs this year.
But if it's true that Minnesota is one of the best teams in the NFL, it should be obvious to everyone but Ole and Sven that the Saints are the best. Still.
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Maybe the pass heavy first half was the old rope-a-dope
Reeling them in to thinking we were going to pass all game and then BAM, the old switcheroo. SP gots more mad skills, me thinks!!!
SP: "No, No, No. I said 'Let's all take it to the Vikes again' not' Let's all take 2 Vicoden!'"
I remember last year
The Vikings barely used Favre for the first couple of games. It was completely the AP show in Minnesota. It was a smart move, considering Favre doesn’t do training camps. As smart as that was then, it is just as dumb now to throw everything on Favre and make him win the game for you while he is rusty. It seems like Chilly completely forgot about everything other than getting revenge for Favre.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
Agreed
Chilly was feeding it to AP early and often. This is probably because he knew Favre was rusty and maybe needed a little time to get into rhythm. The Vikes WRs didn’t help the cause much either. Berrian was pretty much shut down by Greer all night and Harvin was clearly not in sync with no. 4. If not for Shiancoe, they probably only score three points. The negative results of Favre’s late arrival to training camp were clearly on display last night.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Sep 10, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah. You'd think those high school kids would have taught him SOMETHING!
Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!
I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.
by Just 'Nother Day on Sep 11, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Double Rainbow....
what does it mean???
It’s almost a triple rainbow!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qais_eGMnWk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39GH-nzrY_I&feature=relatde
boom rec'd it
give some credit to the Minnesota defense
No doubt.
This game was won by vastly superior coaching.Sing it.
I don’t know about Hartley though. He’s either hurt or messed up in the head. Dr. Melfi?

without any “remember me hits.”
I saw one. Favre took a helmet to the gut that knocked him on his back. I don’t know why I thought he wasn’t going to get up, but he did, calling for a penalty that never came.
Just as sure as you're born
Look out pretty mama, I'm on the road again.
Childress and Bevell are both idiots
rotoworld.com:
Adrian Peterson was a big part of the Vikings’ game plan early, but they inexplicably went away from him in the second half despite the fact that they were down less than a touchdown the whole way. AP finished with 87 yards on 19 carries and three catches for 14 yards, but could have had a truly monstrous game if Minnesota stuck with him.
Just as sure as you're born
Look out pretty mama, I'm on the road again.
the run defense
I agree with everything you say, M-E, but I’m not quite as concerned about the run D as you may be. I thought the D looked fired up and improved last night. Sedrick Ellis looked much improved, as did Remi Ayodelle. Roman Harper looked awesome too at times. Are there still Saints fans out there who want to trade him? You might be a few cards short of a full deck if you do.
Yeah, Peterson broke some big runs, but he’s the best RB in the league, IMHO, and he was really fired up last night. He looked ready to carry his whole team on his shoulders. When he gets like that, he’s crazy hard to bring down with the first hit. We have another big test next week with Frank Gore and then Turner the Burner the week after. It doesn’t get any easier from here, that’s for sure. After holding the VIkes to 9 points (awesome point after block, Remi!), I feel pretty good about our D. I’ll wait until I see how they handle Gore before I get too concerned.
As for Hartley, those misses were inexcusable. Let’s count our lucky stars he didn’t kick that way last postseason. He didn’t just miss, but he missed bad to the left each time. Could there have been a problem with the snap/hold? I didn’t see it if there was. His kicks didn’t have the punch and loud “THUMP” like in the postseason. He’s gotta figure that out, and I’m sure he will.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Sep 10, 2010 9:40 AM CDT reply actions
Thought our run defense looked absolutely horrid. Ellis was the only guy that played big last night on the line. No pressure on the QB at all against an offensive line that’s been banged up and frankly overrated. Our linebackers were nothing special either failing to stay with Shiancoe all night long until we switched it up and put Harper on him.
Holding one of the top two running backs in the league to 87 yards and no TDs on 19 carries is pretty damn awful.
I guess you're right. It should've been a blowout in the Vikes favor.
Yea actually, giving up 4.5 yards a pop is pretty damn awful, especially when the read the clippings and our defense calls out that they keyed off the run all game long. Be thankful Chilly’s a damn moron and didn’t ride Peterson all second half.
I don’t think saying AP averaged 4.5 a carry tells the whole story, but we’re just going to have to agree to disagree on this one, I think. Honestly, I just wanted to call you out for picking the Vikes to win in a blowout. ><
by Jimbo03 on Sep 10, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
^this makes me :)
Yeah, so much for that Vikes blowout, huh?
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Sep 10, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
When it comes to numbers
I’ll take 14-9 over 4.5 any day.
You’re welcome.
Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!
I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.
by Just 'Nother Day on Sep 11, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I felt like the pressure wasn't there
because the linemen were told to play the run for most of the downs. We got burned on a few delays to AP when they pinned their ears back in early downs. Plus, we played a lot of 3 man fronts.
Devery Henderson, making absurd grabs for my teams since 2001.
by Andrew Tessier on Sep 10, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Looked horrid
Same people same comments. Holy crap dude what do you want. We held the second best offense in the league to 9 points AP only got we he got cause we where to busy trying to strip the ball instead of tackling him.There’s a reason chilly went that way he knew we were stuffing the run.GW made adjustments and made them pay attention.
We know our offense will come around.If our D plays like this against lesser teams(which is everybody else cause were 1 there 2 )than were screaming WHO DAT TWO DAT
What i want is for people to take off their damn homer glasses for once in their lives and realize our run D wasn’t that good.
btw, it’s we’re not were. They’re not there. And then not than.
I do where homer glasses
I’m not going lie the Saints can do no wrong, but when they play bad football I’d admit to it.In the first half they played bad,but only because they were not using there heads there was several time where they had AP stopped and instead of wrapping up they tried to make him fumble.The problem I have with it is it went on for to long.Not only was he not letting go but he was making them look foolish.After the first few tries they should have abandoned it I guarantee that was GW topic at the half because it changed the started wrapping up and played very sound.Go back and watch the game our D looked wicked sick.GW Ds get better after each year so lets hope it follows suit
While I agree with most of what MtnExile said
I’m almost totally on board with Satch. I’m not at all concerned with run D. In fact, I was pleased with its performance last night. After 9 straight minutes of Peterson banging into them, the defense held the Vikes to a FG. Peterson never really even sniffed the endzone last night. That’s success. I don’t care what the yardage totals say. Let’s see what happens if the Vikes feed Peterson like that against another team. I bet the statline looks mighty different. I think Ellis did a really good job last night, and I was happy to see Alex Brown active on the line. Overall, I was really encouraged by the performance. Room for improvement? Sure. But watching the game, I was quite pleased, and you can’t argue with the results.
One of the best coaching moves of the game was switching Harper over to Stank-ho. He shut him down from that point forward. I hope the Harper haters from earlier in the week were paying attention. It’s worth noting that Kellen Winslow and Tony Gonzales are in our division.
I’m glad we moved on from last season, but let’s not forget what Hartley did for us in the playoffs last season. The misses made me sick to my stomach, but winning cures all. Cut him some slack for now.
Couldn't agree more
The yard per carry really doesn’t matter if Peterson doesn’t score. That’s the problem with people putting too much emphasis on a particular stat. Any team that wants to exclusively run against us will not keep up in points. They will be down 14 in the blink of an eye. The only reason that game was close is because of 3 missed TD opportunities and 2 missed FGs.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Sep 13, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Stats are like a bikini
it’ll show you a lot but not everything.
you know, when you want something, and nobody can stop you from taking it, you just take it, right? I like that, but can you take it?
I am not worried about our run defense.
We played against Adrian Peterson.
It happens.
"Doesn't today's journalism involve any actual research?" -- Excerpt from an ironic spiel by Gonzo
WTF was that false start flag on Drew early in the game?
Can someone please explain that s*** to me?
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Sep 10, 2010 10:09 AM CDT reply actions
That was ridiculous. I have never in my life seen something like that. He basically did the same exact thing on the very next play, hard count and all.
I think not sure
That new rule where they have to look to the line judge and if you start the count before he nods or whatever its false start.I could be completly wrong but I have heard of the new rule alot
The refs trying to prove the Saints didn't pay them off?
To try and convince the Vikings, you lost because your head coach thinks with his heart instead of his brains and balls like Payton.
Week 1 matchup: Vikings
Week 1 motto: Win Again
I think that the refs blew that call
when they were showing the replay, Collinsworth set us up for what we were going to see – Drew Brees moving his head/arms/body in an illegal way, and then as the clip rolled, CC said, “I don’t see it.” I hate when that happens.
But Brees was masterful later in the game at drawing them offsides a few times out of the shotgun…SWEET.
It's gonna be a great year.
by Hans Petersen on Sep 10, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Best players last night by far
Carl Nicks – perhaps the best I’ve seen him play.
Courtney Roby – played incredibly well on special teams coverage.
Sed Ellis – had several blow up plays and our only sack.
Everyone else pretty much rates a meh.
What about bushrod and Remi.
Bushron held Jarred Allen to ZERO sacks. Remi was a beast penatrating the center of the line of scrimmage. Harper was not that bad either.
I completely agree with your picks as well.
"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44
by jeremysherwin on Sep 10, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
One point I forgot to make
We have, in Reggie Bush, probably the most dynamic open-field runner in the game. If we’re going to put him back to receive punts, why don’t we do everything possible to maximize that part of our game plan? Reggie’s blocking support is horrid.
Sean, please: light a fire under your special teams—players AND coach—and come up with some schemes that give Reggie a chance. He should have half a dozen special teams TDs a year.
It was worth the wait.
by MtnExile on Sep 10, 2010 10:42 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
it seems like we used to be a lot better at it
"As a Saint fan I watch ‘Gone with the Wind’ just to watch Atlanta burn" -Ralph Malbrough
by DrewBreesManCrush on Sep 10, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
THIS * 1,000
Also….maybe we can see more of Reggie deep in the I spelling PT on occasion? He’s becoming better with every game on running between the tackles.
All that…and then Chris Ivory returns in 3 weeks. The New Orleans Saints..a smashmouth, bust-your-head running team?? To compliment that passing game?? I’d be really scared if I’m an NFC defensive coordinator right about now.
Anthony
We will have to agree to disagree.
The Saints held peterson to less than 80 yards rushing. That in itself is out freaking standing.
I feel a whole lot better with our run defense this year.
"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44
The Saints held Peterson to 87 yards rushing
because Childress held Peterson to 19 rushing attempts. Suppose he’d had thirty carries? At his game average of 4.5, that’s 135 yards. Suppose he’d continued in the second half at his 5.0 clip? That’s 142 yards. Toss in the almost-inevitable long gainer, and we’re starting to look at a near-repeat of the Cleveland game from last year. Plus, throw in a score or two.
We were lucky that Clueless was in charge. I could maybe even get on board with “okay,” but “out freaking standing” is just homerism. I do have hope, though, that the problem was simply that we were playing against Adrian Peterson. When Albert Young was in there instead, he looked helpless. (How does that Chester Taylor deal look now, Mr. Spielman?)
It was worth the wait.
by MtnExile on Sep 10, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll admit that it was stupid not to continue to feed AP after the first half. But I personally was worried about him breaking 30 yard runs and scoring TDs. That didn’t happen over the course of the 19 carries he did get, so I’m happy. They attacked what most (including myself) say is our biggest weakness, and it didn’t break our backs. Considering the situation and what I expected to happen, I’m pleasantly surprised.
Maybe that’s a better way of expressing my opinion on the run D, since the numbers don’t really back up my point.
You're right about this
The Saints didn’t give up any big plays on the ground, and that is an improvement. Peterson might have gashed them, and he didn’t.
It was worth the wait.
Your logic is slightly flawed ME.
because Childress held Peterson to 19 rushing attempts. Suppose he’d had thirty carries? At his game average of 4.5, that’s 135 yards. Suppose he’d continued in the second half at his 5.0 clip? That’s 142 yards.
If drew brees throws every down for the rest of the season he will amass 6,000 yards passing.
"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44
by jeremysherwin on Sep 10, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m not trying to extrapolate nearly as much as you, nor across the boundaries of games or opponents. It’s not at all far-fetched to speculate that a good coach would ride with his hot running back—one of the best in the NFL—and give him 50% more carries in a single game. Or that said back would be able to gain yards at the same clip—in fact, it’s likely that his average would go up as the game progressed, in the same way and for the same reason that Pierre Thomas’ did: the pounding wears down the defense faster.
In the end, he could have gained more than I speculated, or he could have gained less. It’s only speculation. That it’s only speculation is entirely due to the fact that Brad Childress is an idiot.
It was worth the wait.
Seems the only part both we and the Whinekings fans can agree on is that Chilly is a moron.
by theprogrammerman on Sep 10, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
As a Vikings fan I agree with you totally.
AD got zero carries in the fourth quarter in a one score game. That makes zero sense to me, especially since Childress is a big fan of running the ball. Peterson was the only part of our offense that worked all game and I don’t understand why we abandoned giving him the ball when it was most important. Not sure it would have made a difference as you guys outplayed us, but if AD busted one in the fourth things could’ve been closer.
by CanadianViking on Sep 10, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
There is a reason his average went up in the 2nd half
And that is because they were passing more. If you don’t respect the pass, a defense may still give up a couple of 10 yard runs, but eventually they will stop you 3 times in a row and force a punt. That’s why the only TD they scored was from a couple of good passes to Shianco. Plus, considering Peterson only had 6 carries in the 2nd half, and one of them was a 13 yard rush to start the half, that 5 yard average is not indicative of how the Saints played him in the 2nd half.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
by VAsaintsfan on Sep 10, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
OK, I’m sorry, you guys get so caught up on “average” that you forget that AP did not ONCE run for 4.5 yards. Not ONCE. He didn’t even ever manage to run for either 4 or 5 yards except once each.
Averages mean NOTHING. What matters is each individual play. And what matters is proper scheme for the circumstances.
His long run was 14 yards. This was on 2-30 (after two penalties) from a draw play. I’m not sure how on earth this wasn’t seen coming from a mile off. (It also should have been wiped out by yet another penalty that went uncalled, but that’s another matter.) But this is the classic play from that sort of situation. It shouldn’t have happened. This was a mistake by our defense.
The entire rest of the night, he had two 9 yard runs, both from 1st-and-10. He had three 6 yard runs, again all from 1st-and-10. But when it REALLY counted, on 3rd-and-2, on 2nd-and-4, on other plays of that nature, he was often held to less than the necessary yards for the first down. Not always, of course. Nobody bats a thousand, especially not against a very good RB — and best or not he is without any doubt a very good RB. But many times he was.
You’re right that our defense wasn’t outstanding. But neither was it merely that “clueless” held Peterson back. Our D did it’s job at least 1/2 the time, and when playing with what appeared going in to be a very makeshift lineup against a top-flight RB that’s pretty stinking good.
FYI, for all those other runs, he had one -1 yard run, three 1 yard runs, two 2 yard runs, and three 3 yard runs, and the one 4 and one 5 yard runs mentioned earlier. Of all 11 runs I just ran through, exactly TWO netted a first down. Yet six of them would be classified as “short yardage” plays, which means our defense was batting .666 last night on those types of plays. That’s not too bad. Especially not against AP or similarly “very good” running backs.
666 is the sign of the devil
that’s some voodoo we laid on the Vikes
It's gonna be a great year.
by Hans Petersen on Sep 10, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Sep 13, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
And, let's not forget this, either.
AP may have gotten his 4.5 yards per carry, but he didn’t break any big gains…mostly because the Saints D actually did a better job of tackling and not atempting to rip the ball away every time. Or, maybe Petersen was less aggressive than usual in order to protect the ball more?
As for Chilly being clueless not to feed AP the rock more in the 2nd half: I guess that when you have THE GREATEST QB OF ALL TIME!!!!! under center, then who needs a running game? Farve’s a MAN, and indeed one of the best ever…but you still need a full preseason and healthy bones to get acquainted with your offense, and other than Shaincow, he never quite connected with his receivers.
Either way, at least Payton understood what was up and made the adjustments to win. Maybe not the prettiest game, but that scoreboard sure shines just as bright.
Anthony
Childress is an idiot
I was wondering the same thing. Actually at half time I was mixing a drink telling the people there that they better get ready for the All Day show. I was horribly disallusioned when he had Farver throwing instead.
I’ll give you props to your offensive line they were solid last night. Their run blocking and pass blocking was superb. We got lucky on the two kicks and on a few drop balls, but then we could catch anything either… Your defense might be better without Sharper back there you were no Berrian like glue, the rest was just sort of sad. Also I’m suprised Loadholt didn’t take Will Smith to dinner after the game the way he was holding him made me think he met him on eharmony or something.
Hey how about this I’ll trade you Chilly and McKinney for Payton and Bushrod. Oh and I like that other teams can see Childress’s lack because it’s a hard sell sometimes to the faithful….
Good luck in your season, your schedule looks pretty easy you should be seeing home field advantage in your future. Although you all really need to come up to the land of fire and ice sometime. Got a lot of hot ass blonde women up there.
peace!
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
LMAO!
Also I’m suprised Loadholt didn’t take Will Smith to dinner after the game the way he was holding him made me think he met him on eharmony or something.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Sep 10, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice talking to you Grime.
One of the few Sane ones from DN.
Week 2 matchup: 49ers
Week 2 motto: Run the ball
Best of luck to you Grimes. And you’re right about selling Childress’ lack of a brain to the locals. I was over at DN earlier and people were actually praising him for a well coached game. Apparently they mix some pretty strong Kool-aid up there.
Well maybe it isn't purple koolaid.
But purple drank?
Week 2 matchup: 49ers
Week 2 motto: Run the ball
There's a lot of hot ass blonde women in Dallas too
so shouldn’t everyone just save the vacation time for when the Saints are there in February?
Breesus Is My Homeboy
Do I detect
That the lovely Sarah T is a blonde? Or does the lovely Sarah T naturally appreciate the fine form of an attractive blonde woman as so many of us do.
Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted
by SaintsFanInIraq on Sep 11, 2010 4:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Thats not true
they tried to continue on the first drive back and they went three and out.Who cares what he averaged we stopped the first down, thats what matters.You could clearly see we started stuffing the run and making every yard hurt and then they abandoned the run.Plus when we scored chilly had to go to air anybody would panic if they think were about to score 20 points on you at any giving time.Thats what were known for in the second half of games.
Hehehehe. Let’s find some new adjectives. We’ve had “absolutely horrid” and “out freaking standing.” I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
"horrid out"?
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
i'm going with
absolutely out freaking horrid standing
It's gonna be a great year.
by Hans Petersen on Sep 10, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
IMO Possession Vikes 26:17 Saints 33:43
I thought we won the game cause of time of possession.
you know, when you want something, and nobody can stop you from taking it, you just take it, right? I like that, but can you take it?
You won the game because Favre couldn't throw the ball to his receivers.
I do disagree with one thing you stated MtnExile and I’m sure this is my opinion. I see the Vikings getting better with time as Favre will actually be using the first couple of games as a warm up. If you had seen us last year in the beggining you would know what I’m talking about. I just hope he turns it around in time so we don’t drop to far we can’t catch up to Green Bay.
Good win Champs.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I know what you mean
…but my main objection to the Vikings as viable contenders isn’t Favre: it’s that Childress doesn’t know how to use a talented roster.
Of course, it’s just one game. And against the Saints, after all. :-)
It was worth the wait.
Favre will be your downfall
Again.
The most galling part was the postgame when he said “I couldn’t have been any more prepared” It was obvious to everyone that he was completely unprepared.
The vikes loss was largely due to Brett preferring to sit at home than get ready to play against the superbowl champs. He weasels his way into a pay raise, then basically just blew the game off. I’d be pissed if I was his teammate or a vikes fan. He is a cancer. You’d be better off with TJack. Favre won’t have the season he had last year. By the time he gets his act together GB will have clenched the division. I don’t see the playoffs in your future, but if you get a wild card Favre will just end your season with another pick. The only silver lining I see is that you will have a new QB and coach next year.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Sep 13, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you about Hartley
Until he does this a few more times we need to stop panicking.
Breesus Is My Homeboy
Everything M-E said
I was about to write a fan post titled Bizarro Analysis because it seemed like all the other posts applauding the defense and down on the offense were exactly the opposite of what I saw. Thanks for pointing out just about everything I was thinking MtnExile. Just a couple of other quick points.
- Brees completed 75% of his passes! The dropped passes, especially Meachem’s in the endzone, stand out because they happened at really bad times.
- The imbalance in the offense was definitely part of the game plan. Minnesota is notoriously difficult to run against, and their secondary was incredibly depleted. Attack your opponent’s weakness, not his strength.
- I’m wondering if Hartley’s missed FGs had anything to do with the new turf. I remember a lot of slipping in the preseason games. He can’t have had many practice kicks on it. I didn’t really notice, but was his footing solid? A little slip with his plant foot would bring his kicking foot further forward and hook the ball to the left. I don’t know if that’s what happened, but it would explain it. In any case, I’m not too worried yet. He would have to have a lot more critical failures to fall as low as Grammatica.
- The run defense did well in terms of not letting Peterson break any really big ones, but the tackling still needs lots of improvement. I know AP is one of the best, but the Saints will face several great RBs this year, with better coaches. They need to tighten this up to have a lot of success.
- I’m wondering if Hartley’s missed FGs had anything to do with the new turf. I remember a lot of slipping in the preseason games. He can’t have had many practice kicks on it. I didn’t really notice, but was his footing solid? A little slip with his plant foot would bring his kicking foot further forward and hook the ball to the left. I don’t know if that’s what happened, but it would explain it. In any case, I’m not too worried yet. He would have to have a lot more critical failures to fall as low as Grammatica.
You know, I think you may have a VERY good point here. There is new turf there every season. But is there new turf every year at the practice facility? Possibly not. Even if there is, is it exactly the same? One or both of those questions is almost certain to be a no.
did payton ask him which cleats he had on?
f$%^ing figures
It's gonna be a great year.
by Hans Petersen on Sep 10, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
What I saw
and only 1 game of course, v. a stout opp. was better short yd. rush and better v. the Run,. Jenkins didn’t get embarrassed. Hartley I can give a pass on the 1st miss, but the 32 yd. miss can’t happen. Maybe he “Over” kicked it, trying to use the 9I when he needed only the sand wedge, it looked like the miss in the TB game late last yr, started out end-over-end but ended sideways,hooking badly. Hartley has a new holder this season?, snaps looked good, and he was nailing them in pre-season. We also dropped passes we usually don’t drop. The game also reminded me of last. yrs. Buffalo game, good D, and Pierre finding a groove in the 2nd H.
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.
Agree M-E
Childress clueless, and may miss the play-offs. GB’s div. to win. Detroit and Chi. will won’t be easy W’s . The Vickies could lose 2 to GB and 1 ea. to the others and be 2-4 in the Div. thats if Farve can hang around for 16 wks.
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.
Vickies
Ha!
It's gonna be a great year.
by Hans Petersen on Sep 11, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Could I be the only one who noticed
grandpa Fav-re signaling the plays to Childress on the sideline???
Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!
I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.
by Just 'Nother Day on Sep 11, 2010 9:31 PM CDT reply actions
This game was won by vastly superior coaching.
I’m going to toot my own horn here and remind our podcast listeners that I said it would be coaching that would win this game.
That is all.
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I have to agree.
When the predictions of the game were going around at the DN, I, of course picked the Saints to win in a very close game. When questioned as to why, I told them that Childress would be out coached.
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by SaintsFanInIraq on Sep 13, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Pardon my ignorance.......
But on our final knee , Harper lined up in the backfield and Drew
tossed him the ball. Was that to recognize his contribution to the
cause? And if so is this traditional?
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