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New Orleans Saints' Offensive Player Grades vs. Vikings

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Did you miss the player grades? They're baaaaaack. Or maybe you've always hated them. Either way, below is the grading of each starter and a few key backups for this game against the Vikings. Offense this time, and you'll get defense and special teams later. If you are not familiar with the grading from last year, the letter grade represents the player's performance for that game, and the GPA is the cumulative scoring on the season. Let me also take a moment to say that I, for one, was disappointed slightly in the Saints' performance. A win is a win, and we'll take it, but I thought the playcalling was poor in the first half. I thought that was more on the coaching staff than the players this time around. That said, the defense was spectacular. The Saints will have some things to work on, though, coming up on the MNF game against the 49ers. Make the jump for the grades!

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Drew Brees: B+ (3.33) Boy did he come out firing on that first drive or what? Brees looked masterful at times, and safe at others. First off he needs to be commended for not turning the ball over and only being sacked once, because that's as good of a defensive line and he may face all season. Give the offensive line a ton of credit as well. Brees didn't have very flash numbers: 27-36 for 237 yards and 1 touchdown. His numbers could have been more flashy if Meachem comes up with that touchdown grab. Brees did miss a wide open Devery deep at one point by overthrowing the ball, but he also did a good job of scrambling out of the pocket and throwing on the run. No real complaints with Brees, he was on point and efficient, I just can't give him a better grade than B+ when he throws for 237 yards, 1 touchdown, and the offense only puts up 14 points. Otherwise, I thought he was very solid overall.

Pierre Thomas: B+ (3.33) Thomas was non-existent in the first half. I was starting to wonder if he was hurt and not playing at one point. Then, the Saints came out in the second half and decided to dedicate a drive to handing him the football, and to no surprise we scored. Hey coach Payton, take note that running the football from time to time can actually work! Pierre had a great run on the touchdown play, too, looking very tough through traffic. Some of his runs early on were sniffed out and stuffed, but he got better as the game progressed. His screen plays were more ineffective than usual, so credit the Vikes for being ready for that. Thomas had a nice play called back by penalty, too, so that effected his stat line. He finished with 71 yards on 19 carries, a touchdown, and 3 catches for 15 yards. I will say that he didn't run through tackles like he normally does.

Reggie Bush: B (3.00) I thought Bush looked very explosive and flashy, and I was disappointed that he didn't see the ball more. He finished with 2 carries for 14 yards, and 5 catches for 33 yards. He also returned 3 punts for 7 yards. His punt returning wasn't as bad as usual, though, because at least he was running forward. Those numbers were more thanks to the Vikings coverage than Bush running backwards. I think he's committed himself to running forward. Like I said, I would have liked to see the ball in his hands more, especially on the ground. 2 carries isn't enough. Give him a lot of credit, too, for bailing Drew Brees out on a bad security valve throw that Bush caught off his shoe top and turned into a big gain for a first down. That was a big time play.

Heath Evans: B+ (3.33) First off, he showed terrific hands on his lone 7 yard reception to basically seal the game late, getting a first down. We all know his stock in trade is blocking, and if you go back and watch the game tape of that touchdown drive, Heath was running a clinic out there. The holes he blew up on Thomas' 5 yard run to the 1 yard line, and Thomas' touchdown, were masterful. He did look a tad bit slow and gimpy out there, so I think he's still probably working his way back to 100%. There were a couple blocks he whiffed on, mostly due to lack of speed. He was also the lead blocker on kickoff returns and did an ok job there, but his blocks out of the I were overall sensational, especially on that touchdown drive.

Marques Colston: B+ (3.33) Colston, per usual, was Brees' go-to target for the tough yards underneath. He also ran a perfect seam play and catch to start the opening drive. Colston finished with 5 catches and 65 yards. He had sure hands and ran crisp routes.

Devery Henderson: B+ (3.33) Henderson finished with just 2 catches for 38 yards, but both catches were huge. His first was a 29 yard touchdown, where he did a great job of breaking off his route once Brees flushed out of the pocket, and he beat his man badly. He also showed terrific toughness taking that tackler into the end zone on that same play. His second catch was a 9 yarder that moved the chains late in the game that was part of that terrific drive to seal the deal. I also mentioned that he was wide open on another deep route on the second drive of the game, but Brees overthrew him on a play that could have resulted in another touchdown. I noticed Henderson looked a little injured at one point, but he finished the game.

Lance Moore: B- (2.67) Moore had just 3 catches for 23 yards, but he was his usual reliable self. He ran crisp routes and provided a nice option underneath for Brees. It's nice to see him healthy. I have no doubt he's going to make some huge plays as this season progresses. That guy has better hands than just about anyone.

Robert Meachem: C+ (2.33) Meachem had 3 catches for 33 yards, including a fantastic grab on a play where Brees fumbled the snap, and managed to recover and lead Meachem, who had beaten his man fairly convincingly. Meachem's most memorable play, unfortunately, was dropping a picture perfect pass by Brees in the end zone. It wasn't an easy catch, but it's one I've come to expect Meachem to make. That catch would have made the end of the game much less stressful. It seemed like he had it for a second, but the replay clearly showed the ball hit the turf. I did give his grade a slight boost, though, because his blocking downfield on running plays was excellent. I almost think he's a better blocker than Colston, even.

Jeremy Shockey: C+ (2.33) Is Shockey still the starter? I noticed David Thomas trotting out for the first offensive play of the game. Shockey was fine, as he caught the 3 passes that came his way for 23 yards, including one terrific back shoulder sideline throw by Brees. Shockey made the most of very few opportunities, but I was surprised how little snaps he got. In running formations, the Saints were trusting Thomas more. Is Shockey not 100%, or do the Saints like David Thomas more at this point?

David Thomas: C (2.00) Brees went Thomas' way on 4 passes, and it resulted in 2 catches for 3 yards. Thomas could have made more of those catches but he couldn't break tackles. His blocking was good overall, but we've definitely seen him play better in the passing game. I'd like to see him get more involved downfield like Shockey does.

Jermon Bushrod: A (4.00) Matched up against Jared Allen, Bushrod had some help, but he played brilliantly. Allen finished with 4 tackles and hit Brees just once, with no sacks. Allen was a non factor. Given the number of times Brees dropped back, and the fact that the Vikings were basically expecting pass on every single play, that's pretty remarkable. Credit Brees, as always, for a good release, but Bushrod handled his job admirably. Bushrod was also physical in the run game, and showed effort coming out to block at the second level as well. He's really making strides as a left tackle, and I'm not even sure he's the weakest link on this line anymore. He stands tall with the rest of the guys. Great game.

Carl Nicks: A- (3.67) The Saints had most of their success running the ball on the left side. Like Heath Evans, Nicks was mauling people on that touchdown drive. He also did a good job of pass blocking. A solid all around game from Nicks. The only reason I drop his grade from an A is because he did a poor job pulling on a couple screen plays to Pierre Thomas, which is why those plays went nowhere. On the interior he was a beast, though. Fantastic job.

Jahri Evans: B- (2.67) Not his best game. His pass blocking was impeccable, as always, but the Saints really struggled running to the right side. The Vikings are very tough on the interior, but he didn't seem to have his way like he normally does in the trenches. He was also called for a holding penalty.

Jonathan Goodwin: B (3.00) Goodwin is crazy quick for his size. He's got great feet and I love seeing him at the second level. Can you imagine being a weakside linebacker and having goody running at you? I'd be terrified. The running game was a little up and down, but Goodwin did his thing out there. I think the muffed snap was on Brees, but those two have been playing together long enough that that shouldn't happen.

Jon Stinchcomb: C (2.00) Not his best game. He struggled in pass blocking, and he struggle in run blocking. At times he seemed to be in control and settled in, but the most pressure all night was coming from his side. He gave up a sack to Jayme Mitchell, and at least one other hit on Brees. He was also called for a holding penalty. It's not like he was struggling all night and gave up a ton of plays, but he didn't really have much success on his side either

 

My Offensive Player of the Game: Jermon Bushrod

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Pierre Thomas
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Devery Henderson
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Marques Colston
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Gotta give props to the o-line an Pierre for sealing the deal at the end of the game...

The 4th quarter running game was beautiful to watch.

Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it. ~Heywood Hale Brown

by jack_casse on Sep 10, 2010 2:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the sack was more on the play calling than Stinchcomb

It was an empty back set and the Vikings blitzed to Stinchcomb’s side. The blitzer got far enough outside that Stinchcomb was forced to turn somebody loose. Without a RB to pick up the extra pass rusher, Brees didn’t have a chance.

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Sep 10, 2010 2:16 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree it was the play calling.

But if you watch the replay Stinchcomb did not pick up anybody. He started to pick up the outside rusher but realized he needed to take the inside rusher. By the time he made that decision both guys were already past him resulting in two guys hitting Brees rather then just one.

by dalleoman on Sep 10, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure

that he picked up the inside guy. Only the outside rusher got to Brees. That’s not really his fault.

Devery Henderson, making absurd grabs for my teams since 2001.

by Andrew Tessier on Sep 11, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

IMO, that sack was on Brees

2 guys were coming on that play with Stinchcomb left to block them both. He took the inside guy, as he’s supposed to, and let the outside go. Brees has to recognize this and get rid of the ball.

"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010

by SaintBevo on Sep 10, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I blame Stinchcomb for that one

There were 2 rushers on his side. The first problem was that he was indecisive. The 2nd was that he didn’t pick off either rusher untill the last second. He had help to the inside. I remember watching that play and seeing Evans moving to pick up the inside guy and I think he would’ve gotten a good enough block to give Brees time if Stinchcomb gets the outside guy. He simply made the wrong choice of who to pick up and made the choice too late

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by skinnykinney on Sep 11, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Lance Moore's grade

is over inflated. He dropped a very catchable pass. C at best.

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by SaintsChick on Sep 10, 2010 2:18 PM CDT reply actions  

I think our WRs are overrated, in general. Brees had all the time in the world, but was STILL having to check down on RB and WR screens. I’d honestly like to see them let Moore walk at season’s end and at least attempt to land some elite talent at that position, either via free agency or the draft. No real problem with wait-and-see as it isn’t an outright Achilles heel … I just think there’s more room for improvement there than most Saints fans care to admit.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 10, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

We have 2 good and 2 decent receivers. When Colston’s on he catches everything…he wasn’t on last night. Henderson’s good, but has suspect routes. Lance is the best route runner, but frankly lacks the talent of the other 3. Meachem’s learning, but will never be better than a number 2. We’ve got great depth, but we have no star. When one of them doesn’t have a break out moment, we wind up with games like last night. Then again, it’s not like finding a stand out number one receiver is easy. We should be thankful we have 3 number 2 wideouts and a scrappy little guy to round it out.

by jeff.l.b on Sep 10, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree, just saying it’s not the creme de la creme so many Saints fans make it out to be. Colston wouldn’t be the #1 WR on most NFL teams, imo. He’s more or less a product of this system, much like Houshmandzadeh was in Cincy, Deion Branch was in New England, Vincent Jackson has been in San Diego, etc. If we could ever somehow solidify our OLBs, OL, DL, etc., and start spending early round picks on guys like Dez Bryant … I dunno, that’s probably not going to happen while Brees is still in his 30s. I’m pipe dreaming. Happens.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 10, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Colston would be a number one receiver on most NFL teams.

In my opinion, he’d the best receiver on Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Tennessee, Jacksonville, Kansas City, Oakland, Denver, Washington, Chicago, Minnesota, Tampa, St. Louis and Seattle. If you don’t count Vincent Jackson, throw San Diego in there as well. He might be #1 on the Giants and Jets as well and perhaps Cincinnati.

"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010

by SaintBevo on Sep 10, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

The “main” list you’re probably quite right now. The last three, however, I think you’re wrong on all three.

by FriarBob on Sep 10, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’d agree with Cleveland, Jacksonville, Oakland and Seattle … possibly St. Louis.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 10, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meachem was a 1st round pick like your talking about

He’s taken longer to develop but he’s got all the skills of a stud.

Two Dat!! Who Dat!?

by ReggieVilma on Sep 12, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

So was

Donte` Stallworth. That’s two 1st rounders in past 10 years. Add in Reggie Bush as a hybrid and that’s three 1st rounders in 10 years. Odds are likely that we draft a 1st round WR in the next year or so?

you know, when you want something, and nobody can stop you from taking it, you just take it, right? I like that, but can you take it?

by shn_hldn on Sep 13, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

“Meachem’s learning, but will never be better than a number 2.”

I’m starting to agree with this, though I don’t fully comprehend why. He’s clearly the most physically talented of our WRs. Regardless of how he stacks up to other number 1s around the league, he should at least be pushing for that role in this offense by now. I still think of Colston as a Herman Moore clone; a reliable target, built to play the slot. I’d personally rather have our two top YAC guys on the outside, regardless of their route running prowess. At least, on 1st and 2nd downs. Maybe those parallels just don’t ring true from one offensive scheme to another.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 10, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Herman Moore Clone?

I dont know about you but I would take that all day. Moore was pretty damn good! He was pushing Rice a few years up there in Detroit.

What in the HELL just happened!?

by GESWhoseBack on Sep 10, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a slot WR, sure.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 10, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meachum

In my book will go down as having pulled off One of ,IF NOT THE Greatest football play in history,didn’t anyone see the redskins game??….#2 or not,I’ll always back the guy…That was just an incredible display of effort

by uncommonscents on Sep 10, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I remember that play.

That was the greatest play I have ever seen a WR make. The way he took the ball from (i can’t remember if it was a corner or a safety) that guy and ran for the TD, it was unbelivable. I will remember that play until the day I die.

"It's about time something good like this happened." Drew Brees

by saints_r_us#9 on Sep 11, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

“I just think there’s more room for improvement there than most Saints fans care to admit.”

Not in terms of production per dollar, though. I have to give PayLoo credit for making lemonade out of lemons. I suppose if push comes to shove, I’d rather that money be spent on a franchise RB, bettering the OL, appeasing Brees, solidifying the front seven, etc. Still, any talk of best WR corps in the league needs to be tempered with a “maybe not in terms of pure talent” line and it seldom is around here.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 10, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bushrod, Pierre, and Bush looked great.

Aside from them the offense looked rusty. But, as you stated above a win is a win and I think the offense will get it together.

by dalleoman on Sep 10, 2010 2:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Nicks!

Shame on you for not even giving us the option. I’m gonna buy a Nicks jersey if he keeps this up.

It was worth the wait.

by MtnExile on Sep 10, 2010 3:08 PM CDT reply actions  

I obviously agree since i’ve been touting him all morning. Definitely need to see more O-line jerseys out there.

by jeff.l.b on Sep 10, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

The pass protection was above par. I’d like to see better run blocking between the tackles on non-draws, though. We were getting stuffed just as often as Peterson was. Which probably says something of Ayodele and Ellis’s play, considering the reputation of the Williams Wall. Regardless, fewer screens, more up-the-gut stick moving early on and this game could have been in the bag by halftime.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 10, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

But, you gotta admit they did a pretty good job.( this coming from an old offensive lineman).

I'll be your huckleberry- Doc Holliday to Ringo

by KilnBill on Sep 10, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do. A lot of the pass-first mentality was centered around that reputation, I’m almost sure of that. I just don’t think it should have been carried to the extent it was on rushing attempts (or rather, the lack thereof). Guess we’ll see in the coming weeks, as we attempt to develop an inside game against the league’s not-so-elite front lines.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 10, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

You WON!!

You beat the Ol’ man with no receivers and a piss poor secondary, nice. Congrats on the win and the Lombardi from LAST season.

Rule #1: Double tap.

by Ball Hawk on Sep 10, 2010 3:47 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

CP

Nice little gig.

I'll be your huckleberry- Doc Holliday to Ringo

by KilnBill on Sep 10, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haven't you Barney fans had enough abuse and embarassment?

Go home, Ole…or is it Sven? Gretchen is making lutefisk, you don’t want it to go bad…wait….how do you know when lutefisk has gone bad???

…oh, yeah, that’s right, when you finish making it!

;-)

Who Dat? TWO DAT! Do dat AGAIN!!!

by GSO Saints Fan on Sep 10, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uhh guys

Thats a falcons fan. So he has a young man at QB (probably around 14) one receiver and a piss poor secondary.

Week 2 matchup: 49ers
Week 2 motto: Run the ball

by Jon Banks on Sep 10, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lombardi from LAST season is a lot better than not having it, such as the Vikueens don’t. Is it the Saints fault that the Vikes QB is an old man, or that YOUR team didn’t try to pick up Vincent Jackson, or that YOUR team’s secondary can’t stay healthy AND they are piss poor? You don’t have to worry about the Lombardi from LAST season or for THIS season, Vikes won’t even get close to it. They can, however, go to New Orleans all they want to and view the Saints’.

by J Rock on Sep 10, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Colston, Meachem and more all had drops in this game. Henderson made no effort to lay out for the slight overthrow. And for as “crisp” as their routes supposedly were, they were gaining virtually no separation from a middle tier at best Vikings secondary. Henderson’s TD and key first down on the final drive might be enough to earn him a “plus” suffix on a C-grade night for the entire corps, imo.

I thought the first half playcalling was atrocious. 17:1 pass-run ratio at one point. I believe there were only three rushing attempts in the entire first half. To Payton’s credit, they came out with a much more balanced attack in the second half resulting in a TD … then reverted back to the Xbox kid with three straight passes on the the next drive. With the way the defense was playing, this should have easily been a 31-9 blowout. Still, they managed to move the chains just enough to win the TOP battle and the game in the process. I just think both could have been more lopsided, had they hit the field with a balanced attack out of the gates. Great opening drive, yet they went on to prove that pass-only wasn’t anything close to a necessary evil against Minnesota’s front seven. All in all, it was a methodology that bit them on the a** far moreso than it behooved them.

So much for your hollow theories of TOP irrelevance, Dan Kelly.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 10, 2010 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Colston, Meachem and MOORE

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 10, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you about the playcalling completely

Balanced attack at the beginning makes the game a blowout at some point. Our receivers did not have the greatest games of their life. I do feel like they were getting seperation though and finding the holes in the zone. TOP doesn’t matter to much to me except towards the end of the game and running out the clock, milking game winning drives, and it always does help to keep your defense a little fresh.

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by skinnykinney on Sep 11, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Coldpizza you got me thinking

About the WR situation. And I also disagreed to 3 run to 21 pass ration in the first half. Getting pass happy with the Vikings nearly cost us the game. When the Saints are balancing the pass with the run/vice versa, we score 35 plus points.

 I also feel like theres a small missing link in the receiving corps. We do have a really good receiving corps, but what we are lacking is one super fast receiver….like a Andre Johnson, Donald Driver, Greg jennings or that receiver like marshall from Denver. If you put one of those receivers with our good receivers we have now, we would average 40 plus points a game.

    There were too many drops yesterday, and you’re right it easily could have been a 31-9 blowout. We need to clean that shit up for week 2.

by Jricky70 on Sep 10, 2010 4:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Actually both Henderson and Meachem are faster than all those guys you mentioned. Henderson was a 4.4 flat guy and Meachem a 4.37 guy coming out of college. Am i the only one though that’s noticed Meachem has one heck of a weird stride? He doesn’t seem that fast, he runs kind of hunched over.

by jeff.l.b on Sep 10, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Speed is not our problem! I just think with the way Brees spreads the ball around none of our guys would be considered in that group and if we had one of those guys they would just be one of the guys! Cause Devery and Meach might not be big names but you better believe the safeties know who they are and have to adjust their coverage accordingly.

What in the HELL just happened!?

by GESWhoseBack on Sep 10, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

very good jeff

you watch the game not the stats

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by OldFartFan on Sep 10, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

That’s a two-sided argument. If they CONTINUED to spread the ball around evenly, then yes, that hypothetical receiver wouldn’t stand out statistically … but if that receiver offered a collective package of skills that none of the other five possessed, maybe that changes their entire philosophy. I mean, let’s face it … Colston is evidently Brees’s favorite target because of his size and reliablity … but if you had a guy with those exact same attributes PLUS Henderson’s breakaway speed, do you really think he’d still be using Colston more? Of course not. You’d have a new superstar in our offense. One that was truly elite among other NFL receivers. That’s not to say another guy with 1st or 2nd round talent, like a Meachem or a Henderson, couldn’t complement that WR extremely well. Look at how much more productive Boldin was opposite Fitzgerald. Now, throw a third WR the caliber of Herman Moore into that mix and you’re outright deadly. All we really need is that one mega stud to get the experiment off the ground. Obviously, there are no guarantees. That’s why I said only if they had everything else in place first. Then, if becomes a luxury pick, similiar to Dez Bryant going to Dallas.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 10, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

It’s not just speed, it’s a combination of several factors that we’re missing. We arguably have everything you need to be an elite NFL WR amongst our six WRs … we just don’t have it in any ONE receiver. Not many teams have it in MORE than one … but most (more than half) have it in AT LEAST one. When do you EVER see Colston catch a pass in traffic, then flatten a safety? Or turn on the jets and pull away from the entire pack of defenders? The only time we ever get an ESPN highlight moment out of one of our WRs is when there’s a blown defensive assignment, or when they get a step on someone within the red zone. Rarely, if ever, do our WRs make their own game changing plays. It’s more often Brees wisely utilizing the one guy who establishes the slightest bit of separation, catches the DB sleeping on a good angle, etc. Jeff, you’re right, Meachem does have an odd posture while running.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 10, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Devery Henderson

has been in more big games for the state of Louisiana than I can count and I, for one, am glad that he’s still a Saint. First TD of the game he adjusted his pattern when he saw Brees stepping out toward the sidelines and got us going… He has been productive time in and time out. As far as the comment saying he didn’t “lay out” for the overthrow… um, what? Perhaps, there was something else we DIDN’T see. I seriously doubt he didn’t give 100% the entire game. He’ll continue to be a big part of our offense… just ask Brees.

by CajunCavern on Sep 10, 2010 6:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Amen!!!!!

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by OldFartFan on Sep 10, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

“As far as the comment saying he didn’t "lay out" for the overthrow… um, what? Perhaps, there was something else we DIDN’T see.”

Hmm. Something like a ghost safety bearing down in support? I guess that’s entirely possible. Way to alligator arm it, Dev.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 10, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

drew got sacked

twice i’m pretty sure. the second one was when they just kind of knocked him over on that confusing play where it looked like he was going to try and run the ball.

by bannor d on Sep 10, 2010 6:23 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think that is a considered a sack

because he got outside the tackle box.

"Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth." --Mike Tyson

by vicvega26 on Sep 11, 2010 2:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

here's what wikipedia says about a sack
In American football and Canadian football, a sack occurs when the quarterback is tackled or run out of bounds on or behind the line of scrimmage before he can throw a forward pass.
To be considered a sack the quarterback must intend to throw a forward pass.

to learn more read the complete entry

It's gonna be a great year.

by Hans Petersen on Sep 11, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think that's right.

If the QB is tackled at the line of scrimmage, doesn’t that go down as a run for no gain?

"Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth." --Mike Tyson

by vicvega26 on Sep 19, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its not a sack officially

On a design run, if thats what it was. But it still counts as a hit on Brees in my book and I dont like that all no need to tempt the curse!

What in the HELL just happened!?

by GESWhoseBack on Sep 10, 2010 6:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Shockey and Meachem both IMO still nursing old injuries

hope they make the season but I’m not very positive about it.

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by OldFartFan on Sep 10, 2010 7:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

From where I was sitting (third row) meachem was clearly not 100%. During warmips he was limping so much I didn’t think he would play at all. When healthy he has plenty speed and so does devery

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by Breesus Christ Superstar on Sep 11, 2010 4:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Our offense will have better days

In my mind, we were a couple of plays away from blowing the game open in the first half. Hand it to the vikes for making good adjustments and for playing reasonably well in the secondary despite being banged up.

The o-line played well for the most part. A B+ for Brees seems a little high to me. I expect more from him (he missed a couple of throws, like that long pass to Henderson) so I’d say a B or B-.

Receivers had a little case of the dropsies last night, but I don’t think that’s going to be an ongoing concern (knock on wood)

Obviously Payton smelled blood in the vikings secondary but became way too enamored with that matchup. Once they adjusted and starting being more balanced the offense started flowing again. I think it’s a great sign that we were able to grind out the last 5 minutes with everyone on the vikings sideline knowing what was coming.

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by SaintBevo on Sep 10, 2010 7:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Well said bevo

Brees himself said postgame that the reason they were pass heavy in the first half is that the vikes couldn’t stop it. If not for a dropped ball and an overthrown ball And missed fg, they would have blown the lid off. They especially liked the matchup against the slow safety Abdullah.
I was encouraged by the defense, 4 minute offense and even the kick coverage. The offense won’t have that many miscues again. I’m feeling very good about this team.

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by Breesus Christ Superstar on Sep 11, 2010 4:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nicks isn’t an option here, yet his grade is better than all but one other player?

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by Jay Preece on Sep 10, 2010 8:31 PM CDT reply actions  

WRs grades are too high

These guys were average at best last night. Crucial drops killed the offense’s chances at putting up more points. Time to see more consistent performances from these guys.

by Hornets78 on Sep 10, 2010 11:41 PM CDT reply actions  

In regards to our receivers, I think somethings is being overlooked

first of all, the numbers they have put up over the past few seasons, collectively, has been astonishing. If we don’t have a #1 receiver (which I disagree with) then I guess it is better to not have a #1 as we have the best passing attack in pro football. And what we do have is a corps of receivers with a lot of height- i.e. Colston, Meachem, Shockey, Arrington, Graham and Dave Thomas. This height is a difficult factor for DBs to deal with. It is very hard to assemble that many tall receivers who are still agile, fast and talented. So while our receivers are excellent athletes, maybe they don’t have the shiftiness of DeSean Jackson or Steve Smith (who are true #1’s on their respective teams), I would take Colston and Meachem over them because they can do more things and are better in the red zone and their height as receivers is such a great attribute. We have enough speed in our receivers to stretch the field (check the stats) but they are also good enough to be posession receivers and get the tough yards and the tough 3rd downs. I like our receivers immensely and you could go and upgrade if you want, but some of the best receivers in the league such as TO and Ochosinco, Steve Smith, and Larry Fitzgerald don’t have super bowl rings. Our "inferior: receivers do. I think our receiving corps is excellent and deep and one of the best in the league. And Lance Moore has as good a pair of hands as anyone in the league, bar none.

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by Philinwood on Sep 10, 2010 11:45 PM CDT reply actions  

are being overlooked

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by Philinwood on Sep 10, 2010 11:46 PM CDT reply actions  

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