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Atlanta Falcons 27 @ New Orleans Saints 24: The View from Section 140

I'm going straight into the bullet points today. Here are my notes and observations from yesterday's game. Photos and roll call after that. 

  • Local trumpet player Jeremy Davenport played the National Anthem.
  • Jahri Evans signaled the start of the Who Dat chant to fans after the National Anthem. I didn't realize this is going to be an every game thing; I thought it was specific just to the Vikings game. I guess we have a new pre-game tradition, Saints fans. 
  • I'm pretty sure Jon Stinchcomb was throwing up on the sideline very early in the game.
  • What else can you say about Lance Moore that everyone hasn't already said. Not only was yesterday his coming back party, it was also a career performance for Lance. I don't think we can expect production like this from Lance on a regular basis and I wouldn't immediately jump to start him on your fantasy team next week. But it's good to know he's still capable and that Drew can still trust him. 
  • Tony Gonzalez had a monster game with eight catches for 110 yards. This is now the third game in a row that tight ends have been able to rack up some significant yardage against the Saints defense. Here's a fun fact: In three games so far this season, opponents tight ends have caught for 310 yards. That's 46% of all receiving yards (674) given up.  In other words, playing against the Saints defense tight ends are nearly equaling the production of their wide receivers. Have opponents found a chink in the armor?

Star-divide

  • Drew Brees still isn't looking just like Drew Brees. The pass off the fleaflicker play early in the game was under thrown. He threw a worm-burner to Lance Moore who was open in the end zone late in the game. And the interception resulting from his Brett Favre-esque desperation throw was not a wise decision.
  • In his defense some of Drew's receivers weren't giving him as much help as usual, in particular Devery Henderson, who looked more like his former self and dropped two passes that probably should have been caught. Robert Meachem hasn't been his usual self either. 
  • The offensive line seemed to put together a sub-par performance. They let Drew hit the dirt twice and couldn't get enough push late in the game when trying to run the ball. At one point, Carl Nicks got a mouthful from Sean Payton over on the sideline. 
  • I was much happier with the pressure the Saints defense was able to get from their front four this week over last, though I'm not sure that's saying much. Matt Ryan looked to be hurried or flushed out of the pocket quite frequently. It's certainly nowhere near dominant, however. Sedrick Ellis notched a sack, then quickly celebrated with the Pee Wee Herman dance. Will Smith came up with a big sack on a key third down in overtime. And dare I say this was Alex Brown's best game thus far?
  • Tracy Porter spent much of the game on the sideline and riding the stationary bike. Roman Harper also missed some time while getting looked at on the sideline. Their presence in the secondary was missed. 
  • Every game during a break in play they put up a boat race on the video board sponsored by Copeland's. It's always between three speed boats: the Original Copeland's boat, the Copeland's Cheesecake Bistro boat and the Copeland's Social City boat. If the boat on the card you received matches the winning boat, you can redeem that card for a free appetizer at one of the restaurants. Yesterday, the never-before-seen Phenomenon boat came from nowhere and won the race, meaning everyone is a winner. Woohoo!
  • The recovered punt by Jason Kyle was a heads up play by both Kyle and Jimmy Graham who kept the ball in bounds. 
  • On the Falcons first play of overtime, Matt Ryan went deep to Harry Douglas down the left sideline but overthrew him. Douglas had burnt Patrick Robinson like toast and was wide open. If Ryan makes that throw, overtime is over before it even starts. 
  • I was surprised to see Chris Ivory check into the game so early. With those first two rushes, he looked pretty good. Things were looking up. Then I was surprised to see him not come back in for a while. Then I was upset when he fumbled the ball and couldn't get anything going later in the game.  It didn't look like he had much room to work with or that the offensive line was giving him much help, however. Then I was sad when I saw him limping off the field. I hope the team didn't rush his return to play and risk further injury because I wasn't expecting him to be ready this week and was surprised when I learned that he would. 
  • Even with Tracy Porter out of the game, the Falcons still weren't afraid to throw to Jabari Greer's side of the field. Unfortunately, Greer didn't have his best performance yesterday. The pass interference call against him - which was extremely questionable and had Payton irate on the sidelines - was very costly. 
  • You can argue all day about whether or not the offense looked worse without the presence of Reggie Bush but he certainly wasn't missed on punt returns. Lance Moore racked up 72 yards on his one return. The last time Bush returned for that many yards in a game was October 6th, 2008 against the Minnesota Vikings
  • Some Saints fans are saying that this game will be a good wake up call for the team. I thought that's what everyone said last week after narrowly escaping with a win against a weaker 49ers team. You can't keep using that line as a crutch of hope. The time for the Saints to wake up was three weeks ago.  

  

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Fox is on the big screen in Champions Square before the game. 

 

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Offensive player introductions. 

 

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Opening coin flip.

 

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Opening kickoff. 

 

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Ivory getting screwed in again. 

 

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The beginning of Lance Moore's 72-yard punt return. 

 

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Offensive meeting. 

 

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Super Saint. 

 

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Roman Harper getting worked on the bench and Tracy Porter in the distance riding the stationary bike. 

 

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Devery Henderson tossing the ball around. 

 

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This isn't the New Orleans Arena and it's 2010. Stupid cup. 

 

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Hispanic heritage halftime performance. 

 

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Hispanic heritage halftime performance. 

 

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Hispanic heritage halftime performance. 

 

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Nice quality. It even had a handle on the back for easy gripping and holding. 

 

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Deuce just won't go away!

 

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Payton having a word or two with Carl Nicks. 

 

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Patrick Robinson talking with trainers. 

 

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Saving the best for last. 

Here's the roll call and timeline from our open game thread yesterday. Thanks to all who participated. 

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Ace Venom 6
MoonDog33 6
Andrew Juge 5
MobileSaint 5
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crzycajn 2
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LeeCaz 1
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Saints Fan Confidence Poll

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When do we get a new confidence poll :(

"I don't think we're the team with the target on our backs. They're not gunning for us, we're gunning for them. We're the ones with the scope." - Saints defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis

by BRSaintsFan on Sep 27, 2010 9:21 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree with your statement. The time for the Saints to wake up was 3 weeks ago. Amen, you are preaching to the choir.

"I want the gas pedal down." Sean Payton
I'm a Saints fan--Hubby's a Bears fan.

by SaintsChick on Sep 27, 2010 9:29 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Talked about this the whole game on FB! We can't cover TE's....WTH?
Tony Gonzalez had a monster game with eight catches for 110 yards. This is now the third game in a row that tight ends have been able to rack up some significant yardage against the Saints defense. Here’s a fun fact: In three games so far this season, opponents tight ends have caught for 310 yards. That’s 46% of all receiving yards (674) given up. In other words, playing against the Saints defense tight ends are nearly equaling the production of their wide receivers. Have opponents found a chink in the armor?

DON'T STOP 'TIL WE REACH THE TOP!!!!!!!!
Another SAINTS fan in Panther country!
GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!
WHO DAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by SAINTSfaninNC on Sep 27, 2010 9:40 AM CDT reply actions  

“Have opponents found a chink in the armor?”

There’s a medieval Asian joke hidden in there somewhere. In all seriousness, we’ve had the same problem the last four seasons. It got SLIGHTLY better last season, when Fujita and Shanle swapped sides. It now appears to have regressed again. Unless we crash and burn and are in a position to draft a franchise LT, I can’t see any plausible reason why the OLB position shouldn’t be addressed very, very early in next year’s draft. Though, with the way the running game has turned to sh**, we may be in the market for a RB as well. I’m hoping one of those three can be addressed through free agency in a big way, i.e., top guy on the market.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 27, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

The problem with the running game

is not the RBs, it’s the offensive line.

by HB-NOLA on Sep 28, 2010 3:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, they’re not going to have five new starters along that line by next year, so something has to change in order to win.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 28, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Besides, you need strong pass protection to keep Brees upright. A true franchise back could conceivably make more out of our sub par run blocking, than a bevy of undrafted free agents already do.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 28, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Case in point … outside of Lomas Brown, who did Barry Sanders have blocking for him?

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 28, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think they need to change anyone on the line

Ok, well, LT probably, but the point is those five starters have already shown they can be dominant in the running game. I think it’s more a matter of coaching and execution.

Barry Sanders is an anomaly. If the Saints were somehow lucky enough to have someone even approaching his talent level fall to them in the draft, then yeah, go ahead and take him. Otherwise, I can’t see taking a RB in the first round – too many other needs. Talent level being equal, I’d rather see them draft an elite WR than RB.

by HB-NOLA on Sep 28, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Saints have faced a run of very good tight ends, so that could be part of it,

but the Falcons definitely made a point of going to Gonzo. Especially when tiny Tracy Porter was covering him.

I am proud to be a Kennesaw State Fighting Owl. -- Vince Dooley

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by Jason Kirk on Sep 27, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tony Gonzalez

Killed us. Every time I looked up he was making a key catch, usually for a first down. And, I don’t even wanna talk about stopping da run. BUT, what I DO wanna know is……..

What the hell is in that cup, Dave???? (lol)

I'm not calling you a wussy, just your beer. My homebrew, however, is more flavorful and closely related to what men with swords and bad tempers drank 500 years ago, that's all.

by CajunCavern on Sep 27, 2010 9:56 AM CDT reply actions  

“What else can you say about Lance Moore that everyone hasn’t already said. Not only was yesterday his coming back party, it was also a career performance for Lance.”

As a friend of mine stated yesterday, Lance had the game of Reggie’s career. He even had more rushing yards (0) than Reggie would have had.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 27, 2010 9:57 AM CDT reply actions  

{rimshot}

You’re all warmed up and rolling this morning.

"Brees just channeled Tyler Palko on that pick." -Jeff Duncan via twitter

by stujo4 on Sep 27, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree they shouldn't need a wake up call in week 3

but the difference is they lost this time. Winning after ugly games still possibly leaves them thinking they will somehow pull it off in the end. I am concerned but not ready to throw in the towel. I know this is probably harder for those that are used to them reversing directions when least expected.

Also I would not write Tampa Bay off so quickly. Unless the Saints get their stuff together Philly and Dallas (if they played the way they did yesterday, lucky for us they are inconsistent) scare me. We have to be wary that even the crappy teams will still bring their A games to the table, so don’t put stock in the fact that we seemingly have an easy schedule here on out for awhile.

I hate to say it but I had a bad feeling all week but didn’t want to jinx it. I think in our heart of hearts we all knew it was coming after the past 2 weeks. I would rather them get a loss in sooner than later if they have to lose.

More than anything I am tired of them leaving Hartley to win the game. He should be making extra points instead. I know it’s his job but damn, how many times does he have to make up for the Saints crappy play? When he makes it he is a hero but when he doesn’t he’s the worst kicker in the league. I am confused as to what people think is a good kicker since they aren’t going to push it through every time they kick. I thought John Carney had the same problem which is why Hartley is there.

Breesus Is My Homeboy

by SarahT on Sep 27, 2010 9:57 AM CDT reply actions  

*play*

Breesus Is My Homeboy

by SarahT on Sep 27, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought John Carney had the same problem which is why Hartley is there.

Exactly. What game was it last year he missed one/some and they were flying through the goal posts sideways?

And does the story about the new turf in the Dome hold water? is it slick or something? Does he simply need to practice in there during the week some? Also, Dallas always has horrible kickers-what if they pick him up if we cut him and he kicks the game winner for THEM on Turkey Day?

"I don't think we're the team with the target on our backs. They're not gunning for us, we're gunning for them. We're the ones with the scope." - Saints defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis

by BRSaintsFan on Sep 27, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Payton was reluctant to try FGs longer than 40 yards with Carney. Hartley has hit on a slew of those since. I’m not saying we shouldn’t make a change, but if we do make one, it sure as hell shouldn’t be back to Carney. There are a handful of available kickers out there who have proven to be more accurate — in conditions considerably worse than an air-conditioned auditorium, I might add — and have better distance to boot. Heh. To boot. Punny stuff.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 27, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Atlanta's kicker didn't have a problem kicking on the new dome turf

just saying.

"I want the gas pedal down." Sean Payton
I'm a Saints fan--Hubby's a Bears fan.

by SaintsChick on Sep 27, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Trying to answer your question, this is at least what I think a good kicker is.

A good kicker is one who has good range, displays consistency and routinely makes 29 yard field goals in overtime. The consistency part is what separates the majority of kickers from the few really good ones and accounts for why kickers come and go so frequently in the NFL.

While Hartley has shown he is capable of making the longer ones in high stake circumstances, his consistency has been very poor since the Super Bowl. It’s possible he improves that going forward, but he plays a “what have you done for me lately” position. It’s been reported the Saints are exploring other kickers. If they can find someone they feel is a better alternative remains to be seen. But until any kicker shows consistency and reliability over a period of time, I’ve learned to not get too sentimentally attached to them because they’re usually not around very long.

“I thought John Carney had the same problem which is why Hartley is there.” – The Saints were aware of Carney’s range limitations at the beginning of last year but he was the best option available since Hartley was suspended for the first four games due to failing a drug test. When Hartley eventually replaced him on the roster, Carney was retained to serve as his “mentor”. The fact that Payton felt that was necessary raises other questions regarding his faith in Hartley’s reliability and maturity level.

by Drew-Dat on Sep 27, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh alslo

I have said it before but PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get the Saintsation’s new outfits. They look ridiculous. I know, I know, leave it to the girl to make these statements but world champions should not have the cheapest looking outfits on their cheerleaders! It just really bothers me, as you can tell :)

Breesus Is My Homeboy

by SarahT on Sep 27, 2010 10:01 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I don't think you get it.

He said, “I hate seeing them in outfits, too.” as in he would rather see them undressed.

"It's about time something good like this happened." Drew Brees

by saints_r_us#9 on Sep 27, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh hahaha

I should have remembered who posted, lol!!

Breesus Is My Homeboy

by SarahT on Sep 27, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

It’s GOLD, Jerry! GOLD!

"Brees just channeled Tyler Palko on that pick." -Jeff Duncan via twitter

by stujo4 on Sep 27, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know if it's the outfits that look cheap,

or the cheerleaders…

"I don't think we're the team with the target on our backs. They're not gunning for us, we're gunning for them. We're the ones with the scope." - Saints defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis

by BRSaintsFan on Sep 27, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Both really.

It’s hit or miss with those girls. I know every squad can’t be the DCC and I am no spring chicken but damn…I know there are prettier girls in the South than that.

Breesus Is My Homeboy

by SarahT on Sep 27, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Red'd ya there.....

Now this is what we SHOULD be complaining about-cheerleaders, not the team. :)

"I don't think we're the team with the target on our backs. They're not gunning for us, we're gunning for them. We're the ones with the scope." - Saints defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis

by BRSaintsFan on Sep 27, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hahaha

Hey…it’s team related!!

Breesus Is My Homeboy

by SarahT on Sep 27, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

please give them a po’boy sandwich with a side of gumbo as well

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by lovingmma25 on Sep 27, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

“I’m pretty sure Jon Stinchcomb was throwing up on the sideline very early in the game.”

He must have heard Ivory was listed ahead of Betts on the depth chart.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 27, 2010 10:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Yea what's up with that.

I think Betts saw one snap and didn’t even get one touch vs Ivory’s 5 carries if I remember correctly. Don’t get me wrong I think Ivory is going to be pretty good in time, but we needed someone with experience yesterday.

"It's about time something good like this happened." Drew Brees

by saints_r_us#9 on Sep 27, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed but how else is he going to grow?

Don’t they always need someone with experience?

Breesus Is My Homeboy

by SarahT on Sep 27, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Blowout wins and losses. He doesn’t need to be cutting teeth in a seesaw divisional game.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 27, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right There! My good man!

too close a game to ‘see what he’s got’, after his fumble, end of the bench.

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Sep 27, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very true on your second question Sarah.

"It's about time something good like this happened." Drew Brees

by saints_r_us#9 on Sep 27, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Betts def should have been

used especially in short yardage situations. AND BURN THOSE F*&^ING BLACK PANTS FOR GOD SAKE!!!!

Get ready to FEEL DAT BREES!!!

by born in areacode 318 on Sep 27, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

He must have heard Ivory was listed ahead of Betts on the depth chart.

Scatting and be-bopping.

"Brees just channeled Tyler Palko on that pick." -Jeff Duncan via twitter

by stujo4 on Sep 27, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thats 2 Seinfeld ref.'s

although I think it was “He’s Be-boppin and scattin, and I’m losing it!”-G.Costanzo

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Sep 27, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

These pretzels are making me thirsty!

Just to keep it going.

I'm not calling you a wussy, just your beer. My homebrew, however, is more flavorful and closely related to what men with swords and bad tempers drank 500 years ago, that's all.

by CajunCavern on Sep 27, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes! said that earlier

to a co-worker i brought a 1 lb. bag of Rold Gold to the office. and also a Bob “Cobb” salad.

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Sep 28, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Say Vandelay, Say Vandelay

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Sep 28, 2010 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 28, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I missed most of the game

got in front of a TV just in time to see the end of the 4th and that crazy OT. But seems like the balance was way off, too pass happy and Betts was left out? What was that all about? And I heard Colston and Henderson had poor games. Have they been reading too many of their own headlines? D Henny was dropping them like his rookie year I hear.

by BigTMill on Sep 27, 2010 10:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Henderson had a drop on a bomb down the left sidelines, but also came up with a key first down on a bubble screen during the final drive in regulation. I wouldn’t say he had a bad game on the whole.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 27, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

It looked like Devery was surprised by the tackle

when the defender wrapped his arms around Devery’s legs RIGHT as he caught the ball.

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by Dave Cariello on Sep 27, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I remember thinking “THAT’S why Meachem should be starting” ,,, then Meachem dropped a pass on the next play … and I was glad I hadn’t said it aloud.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 27, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was screaming at Devery when I saw that play.

Then on the replay I noticed that the DB wrapped his legs as he was catching the ball, that was a pretty good play for that DB. On another note, what happened to Duanta Robinson? I think I heard his name called once. Wasn’t he supposed to prove something yesterday?

"It's about time something good like this happened." Drew Brees

by saints_r_us#9 on Sep 27, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dunta

Sucks. Used to be damn good at Houston, but since his injury he became an egotistical POS. It is a sad develoution for a once good CB, now he’s just getting by on the fact that secondary’s are a premium for teams today.

Week 4 matchup: Panthers
Week 4 motto: Black pants, burned they must be.

by Jon Banks on Sep 27, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Question - that takes a little set up - Was it pass interference?

On my original viewing of Devery’s drop in this case, I didn’t think so, but now as I read these comments…I’m having these thoughts.

Hear me out… and then shout me down.

The DB dives at and hits Devery’s legs as he’s trying to catch the ball. But he’s not looking back for the ball – he’s looking forward at Devery…isn’t the only way for contact to be incidental in cases like this if the DB is looking back for the ball?

But I guess his contact came after Devery touched the ball, so no PI. There, I just shouted myself down. Pre-reply, I reckon. So why don’t I just cancel this comment and spare y’all the meaningless round-and-round? Because that’s not how I roll.

It's gonna be a great year.

by Hans Petersen on Sep 27, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

You’re the best, Hans.

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by Dang Hu Dat on Sep 27, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was there a game yesterday?

/living in denial

Week 4 matchup: Panthers
Week 4 motto: Black pants, burned they must be.

by Jon Banks on Sep 27, 2010 11:09 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

LOL rec'd week four motto!

"It's about time something good like this happened." Drew Brees

by saints_r_us#9 on Sep 27, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jabari spent a lot of time running in to cover the DL's mistakes

Also, that PI call on Greer was BS. The pass was heading for the ground, it was uncatchable. Turned a 4th-5 into a 1st-10.

by CoachOfEarl on Sep 27, 2010 11:46 AM CDT reply actions  

The call was illegal contact, if I’m not mistaken. Uncatchable doesn’t factor in, in that situation. You also have to look back for the ball. Harper’s PI penalty could have been avoided, had he not been face guarding Douglas.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 27, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not trying to be argumentative

I’m pretty sure I don’t know as much about football as most people on here (having never played in an organized setting). Could they call illegal contact as a PI penalty? Here’s the call:
3-5-ATL25
(7:11) (Shotgun) M.Ryan pass incomplete to R.White. PENALTY on NO-J.Greer, Defensive Pass Interference, 8 yards, enforced at ATL 25 – No Play.

by CoachOfEarl on Sep 27, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's a straight up PI call

Illegal contact is a 5 yard penalty with an automatic first down.

by HB-NOLA on Sep 28, 2010 4:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

We’re evidently talking about two different plays. The one I’m referring to was within the Saints’ red zone.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 28, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know the one you’re talking about now. Late in the game. The ball could have been caught, had White come back and dove for it. The only reason he couldn’t, is because Greer had established position … but he didn’t look back for the ball. Refs aren’t going to wave anything off as uncatchable, unless it’s nowhere near the WR, way over his head, etc. Had Greer looked towards the ball, he probably wouldn’t have been flagged.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 28, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, thats the one

Gotcha, thanks for clearing that up. I missed it on the stadium replay.

by CoachOfEarl on Sep 28, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dave nailed it with "The time for the Saints to wake up was three weeks ago".

The Falcons are the best team we’ve played so far this year and we lost.

That doesn’t concern me nearly as much as the mediocre performances in wins against the Vikings and 49’s. Regardless of pre-season hype for these two teams, they’re not very good. Combined, they’re 5-1 with the only win being the VIkings over the hapless Lions.

The Seahawks and Chiefs beat the 49’s by a combined score of 62-16, The same team scored 23 points against the Saints and it took an ugly, last second field goal by our besieged kicker to get a victory.

Given the reality of the defensive unit we have, the only way the Saints are going to win consistently is by putting up a lot of points. They have a month to get it together and rebuild their confidence as they will be going up against the NFL’s bottom feeders. Rather than just win these games, they need to dominate offensively. Otherwise, it could get ugly in the second half of the season when the competition gets considerably more difficult.

 

by Drew-Dat on Sep 27, 2010 12:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes

I thought the offense had its best game overall, but still didn’t manage to score enough points.
The defense is never going to be dominant, they rely on the offense to put the pressure on the other team and just hold on for dear life.

In Breesus' name we play

by Breesus Christ Superstar on Sep 27, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Simplify it... A Typical Saints/Falcon game

back and forth, D just out on the field too long. Off & Def, barring mistakes did what they had to do to win. Then the K blows it. Every game is tough, nothing’s easy, especially our divisional foul, ..foe, Falcons. always been that way.

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Sep 27, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

The wake up call.

I’m on the side with those who say the loss makes it different. Somehow Payton and Drew were riding the “we won the turnover ratio/we find ways to win.” bandwagon through the first two games. Looking a bit too comfortable there.

Now, I know they aren’t exactly going to have as their post- game talking points be, “Holy cow, we could’ve, maybe should’ve lost that one!”

Too much resting on the laurels of successful opening offense. Wakeup calls can fix that.

Everyone eles’s point about other things that need fixing aren’t as easily fixable with the proverbial wakeup call.

Hakim dropped the ball!

by CrazyforColston on Sep 27, 2010 12:33 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Chink in the armor?

He’s been starting for us the past four years. His name is Scott Shanle. His best is only average and he rarely makes any critical plays. We should have spent the money or draft pick to get someone, Dansby this past off-season would have been dandy.

The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb

by Tim Goad on Sep 27, 2010 1:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Dansby was off the market before Fujita, i.e., before our Final Four UFA handcuffs were removed.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Sep 28, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn Fujita

ruining everything and smiling like a prick through it all.

The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb

by Tim Goad on Sep 28, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Defense isn't what bothers me right now. It's the offense

We know we don’t have a defense like the Steelers who only give up 10 points a game. We have a defense who creates turnovers and plays excellent redzone defense. In the first 2 games we did that. In the 3rd game we didn’t get any TOs and didn’t play the best RZ defense. My problem right now is…Drew Brees. I know, I know. Your reaching for your guns right now but it’s the truth. He’s not the only problem with the offense though but i’ll get onto that later. Brees’ stats are wonderful besides the last game. Stats don’t tell everything though. Brees has not been accurate on the long ball. We haven’t had a big play TD yet. I know the one with Moore but it looked more like busted coverage to me. Brees has been off target on almost all of his long ball passes. Moore has our only catch of over 40 yards. Brees isn’t always getting the best help(looking at you Henderson) but he hasn’t always given the best help. Stats have been great but the big explosive plays that we haven’t gotten yet all come down on him.

My 2nd problem is our run game/Payton’s playcalling. His playcalling is erratic right now it seems. I feel like it’s pass pass pass pass run or it’s run run run run pass. Running game needs to step up. I’m looking at the backs on this one. No one’s showing up to play really. PT had 87 yards on 17 carries or so in the Vikings game. That’s not terrible but it could be better. PT has a 3.2 YPC average right now. We haven’t come close to 100 yards rushing in a game yet. It’s time to step up our run game! That’s brings me to this…I saw Deuce on the sidelines in the pics and was wondering if he’s still in game shape. Ivory’s 7 carries for 13 yards and a fumble isn’t cutting it and Betts is our best option as a #2(3 when reggie’s healthy) RB. Remember Mike Bell? Remember the power/ferrocity he brought to the game? Yeah, Ivory doesn’t seem to run the same way as that, which is what we needed. Reggie’s the receiving threat/take it to the house threat and PT is the workhorse back that fights for the extra yardage and can rip off big plays. Ivory just seems to be like a mix of them. PT will fight for the extra yardage but isn’t a “big bruiser” type of back that we need on 3/4th and short. Please come back Deuce

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by skinnykinney on Sep 28, 2010 11:19 PM CDT reply actions  

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