Possible OLB Trades
by Alex Swift on Sep 5, 2010 10:50 AM CDT
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PrintSo, I am gone for all of ONE day, and chaos ensues. Chris Ivory is gone for three weeks. Jonathan Casillas is gone for the season. Everybody is going crazy over our depth at OL and DL, especially DT.
Concerning our OL depth, when, in the PayLoo era, have we been worried about that? Never. Why? Because our O-Line always steps up and plays better than anybody expects.
As Friarbob said, our DT depth shouldn't worry anybody either. Sure, it would have been nice to keep somebody like Kendrick Clancy or DeMario Pressley over Adrian Arrington. But who will be worth more in a trade for an OLB? A DT, or someone like Lance Moore. What's that? Moore is too valuable in the slot to be moved? Not if Marques Colston moves to the slot. By keeping Arrington, we now have 4 WRs who can play the outside- Colston, Arrington, Devery Henderson and Robert Meachem -, with 2 guys who can play the slot- Colston and Moore. Not to mention our TEs and Reggie Bush, who can all play away from their natural positions if we need to.
So here's some OLBs who could be available in a trade for the right price.
To New Orleans:
To Oakland:
WR Lance Moore
2010 3rd Round Pick
Reasoning: Wimbley is a very good young OLB(even though NFL.com has him listed at DE, he is an OLB). He has over 200 combined tackles in 4 years, 1 INT, 7 forced fumbles and 4 passes defensed. He would be a great help in our run defense, and he has shown that he can at least somewhat play coverage. The Raiders biggest hole is at WR, and why not get a good, proven NFL veteran to help their new QB. Moore would give Jason Campbell a solid, dependable target, something he will need if Darrius Heyward-Bey's first season is anything to go by.
To New Orleans:
OLB Leroy Hill
To Seattle:
WR Lance Moore
OLB K.C. Asiodu
2010 3rd Round Pick
Reasoning: Leroy Hill has fallen out of favor with the Seahawks in large part thanks to his arrests on marijuana possesion and domestic abuse. He has been suspended for the first game of the season, but he is still one of the better young OLBs in the game today. He has 375 tackles in 6 seasons, along with 6 forced fumbles, 11 passes defensed and 14.5 sacks. The Seahawks have missed on their last few big-name receiver pick-ups( T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Deion Branch and Nate Burleson), but Lance Moore is a quick, sure-handed receiver in the middle. K.C. Asiodu knows the division, having played for the Rams last year.
There's probably a few more guys that the FO will take a look at, but these two are guys that make the most sense to be traded. If there's anybody else you think we could get for a reasonable amount, write in the comments below, and we'll see if anyone comes close to what the FO does.
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Would you really rather Thomas Howard over Kamerion Wimbley?
"Here's the funny thing. Last night, I couldn't sleep too well. I called my dad (Bill) at 2:15 in the morning, and told him I had a feeling I was going to hit the game-winner from 42 yards on the right hash. I think I was two yards off."- Garrett Hartley
And yes, the Raiders might prefer to trade Howard. But even Al Davis has to realize that Moore is worth Wimbley. Although, with his fascination of H-W-S, adding in Junior Galette could probably get them both.
"Here's the funny thing. Last night, I couldn't sleep too well. I called my dad (Bill) at 2:15 in the morning, and told him I had a feeling I was going to hit the game-winner from 42 yards on the right hash. I think I was two yards off."- Garrett Hartley
Everyone loves Moore. He’s a very dependable receiver. But we kept Arrington for a reason, and that’s definitely not because he’s trade bait. Colston will move to the slot in 3 receiver sets, and then we’ve still got 3 other guys who can play the outside. Colston is a beast coming across the middle. When you make a trade, it should always be from depth, and what position are we deeper in than WR?
"Here's the funny thing. Last night, I couldn't sleep too well. I called my dad (Bill) at 2:15 in the morning, and told him I had a feeling I was going to hit the game-winner from 42 yards on the right hash. I think I was two yards off."- Garrett Hartley
You're right about the depth part
…I just don’t want Lance to retire as anything but a Saint. I would rather keep the team intact, and trade a draft pick.
It was worth the wait.
We’d probably have to give up a 1st and 2nd in Moore’s place, and still give the 3rd. Would you rather waste half a draft class than lose 1 receiver because he’s reliable?
"Here's the funny thing. Last night, I couldn't sleep too well. I called my dad (Bill) at 2:15 in the morning, and told him I had a feeling I was going to hit the game-winner from 42 yards on the right hash. I think I was two yards off."- Garrett Hartley
Probably?
Where do you get this idea? Do you honestly think either Wimbley or Hill is that good? And if Lance Moore is the equivalent of a 1st and 2nd…why are you so eager to trade him?
It was worth the wait.
It’s not how good Wimbley or Hill is. It’s how good they are relative to the players we have at those positions. Wimbley and Hill are both MASSIVE upgrades from Dunbar. Because of that, the Raiders and Seahawks would want more for them. It’s not that I’m eager to trade Moore, or a 1st and 2nd rounder, it’s that he’s pretty easily replaceable in our system(as we saw last year).
"Here's the funny thing. Last night, I couldn't sleep too well. I called my dad (Bill) at 2:15 in the morning, and told him I had a feeling I was going to hit the game-winner from 42 yards on the right hash. I think I was two yards off."- Garrett Hartley
If the Raiders felt inclined to trade Wimbley, or the Seahawks to trade Hill, they would surely make a demand that would seem a profit to them, but which they also felt we might possibly assent to. Asking a first, a second, and a third is ridiculous. Mickey Loomis would laugh at them over the phone (fax?).
It was worth the wait.
Probably wouldn't even laugh!
Might be pissed off that they would think he was that stupid!
What in the HELL just happened!?
Maybe we can get by...
with Dunbar!….(shaking as I type)
by blackandgoldbuddha on Sep 5, 2010 2:26 PM CDT reply actions
you can give a much lower pick than that dude.
For some reason (probably short sighted financial reason) most NFL teams value draft picks over actual proven players.
For a 3rd round pick, without Moore in the trade, you could get someone decent.
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
example you say?
What round pick did NE have to give up for Randy Freakin’ Moss… the year before he sent the NFL record for TD receptions? 4th.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/news/story?id=2853116
This is NOT an isolated case.
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
Two MAJOR reasons why that trade happened.
1) It’s the Raiders.
2) Moss wasn’t going to play that year if they didn’t trade him
"Here's the funny thing. Last night, I couldn't sleep too well. I called my dad (Bill) at 2:15 in the morning, and told him I had a feeling I was going to hit the game-winner from 42 yards on the right hash. I think I was two yards off."- Garrett Hartley
“This is NOT an isolated case.”
And it’s not just the Raiders involved.
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
Other examples?
"Here's the funny thing. Last night, I couldn't sleep too well. I called my dad (Bill) at 2:15 in the morning, and told him I had a feeling I was going to hit the game-winner from 42 yards on the right hash. I think I was two yards off."- Garrett Hartley
Heres a few.
Wimbley went to the Raiders for a 3rd. Chiefs got Cassel and Vrabel for a 2nd. Boldin went to Ravens for a 3rd and a 4th.
Source:http://www.sportscity.com/2007-NFL-Trade-Tracker
What in the HELL just happened!?
Wimbley went to the Raiders for so cheap because the Browns have D’Qwell Jackson and they picked up Scott Fujita. Cassel was behind Tom Brady, and Vrabel was too old to be effective in the Pats system anymore. Boldin was willing to hold out.
"Here's the funny thing. Last night, I couldn't sleep too well. I called my dad (Bill) at 2:15 in the morning, and told him I had a feeling I was going to hit the game-winner from 42 yards on the right hash. I think I was two yards off."- Garrett Hartley
Well then we find a LB with a problem and make the trade.
Since every trade in the NFL SEEMS to be started by some sort of problem for the player and not teams trying to get better.
What in the HELL just happened!?
so, what I’m getting from your comments is that there are 101 reasons why a team will trade a good player for for mid-round draft picks.
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
Essentially. But none of the good OLBs(aside from Hill) seem to have much of those reasons going for them in the trade department
"Here's the funny thing. Last night, I couldn't sleep too well. I called my dad (Bill) at 2:15 in the morning, and told him I had a feeling I was going to hit the game-winner from 42 yards on the right hash. I think I was two yards off."- Garrett Hartley
Pro Bowl LT Jammal Brown traded to the Redskins for DIRT.
Super Bowl MVP Santonio Holmes (with a suspension of a few games) with to the Jets for a FIFTH rnd pick.
It happens ALL THE TIME… Good/Great players are traded for virtually nothing.
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
Dan those were all exceptions to rule!
Now if I can just find the trades that set the rules! I will keep looking and I promise I will not stop until I find them or until I find something that actually makes sense to do.
What in the HELL just happened!?
:-)
When you’re looking, and you find most of those trades proving my point, feel free to post them here too.
You’ve done all that work, you might as well share it with everyone.
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That was only slightly sarcastic… Many, many trades are for low/mid-round picks for good players.
Teams a) do not value proven talent when b) they have a big contract especially when c) there’s a cheap, young option who has potential or d) they HIGHLY overvalue draft picks.
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Side-question:
Which of our draft picks made the 53 man roster?
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
All of the picks made it except Woods.
And he was the one we needed to pan out most!
What in the HELL just happened!?
Canfield isn't on the 53 man roster.
Want to go to the Saints vs. Cowboys game? I've got an extra ticket.
You right.
I never counted him anyway. But at least he made the practice squad and thats something woods cant say.
What in the HELL just happened!?
rickey williams
is that the example you were looking for?
"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44
by jeremysherwin on Sep 5, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
For a 3rd round pick, without Moore in the trade, you could get someone decent.
I’d rather trade from depth and get someone GOOD than keep a receiver, have another receiver sit and do nothing all season and get a decent LB
"Here's the funny thing. Last night, I couldn't sleep too well. I called my dad (Bill) at 2:15 in the morning, and told him I had a feeling I was going to hit the game-winner from 42 yards on the right hash. I think I was two yards off."- Garrett Hartley
Or
Trade Henderson, who Arrington could do a pretty good version of, and get your OLB and a draft pick.
"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds" -Bob Marley
by PanheadCatahoula on Sep 5, 2010 2:30 PM CDT reply actions
I don’t think there’s any chance we could get a solid OLB AND a draft pick for Henderson
"Here's the funny thing. Last night, I couldn't sleep too well. I called my dad (Bill) at 2:15 in the morning, and told him I had a feeling I was going to hit the game-winner from 42 yards on the right hash. I think I was two yards off."- Garrett Hartley
I'm not so sure, but maybe so
you could tweak the deal untill it worked, possible. Throw in a linebacker.
"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds" -Bob Marley
by PanheadCatahoula on Sep 5, 2010 3:40 PM CDT reply actions
just think Henderson has more market appeal, being a deep threat
and still improving, it seems to me.
"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds" -Bob Marley
by PanheadCatahoula on Sep 5, 2010 3:41 PM CDT reply actions
We can make it on LB till the draft like a Big Power Runningback stud.
Trade a draft pick for a good DT. GW can hide that weakness with good planning and play calling if the DL can pressure the QB without help from the linebackers or safeties. We need better penetration from our line in the middle to help our LB. We dont need to trade a pick for a LB that is completely one sided and either cant play coverage on tightends or blitz the QB at the end of his career or past his prime.
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