Saints Place Pierre Thomas on IR
by Andrew Juge on Jan 5, 2011 2:44 PM CST
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Our worst fears have been confirmed: Pierre Thomas is done for the season. This is something we became suspicious of when he was held out from the Tampa Bay home game this past weekend with a "setback" and it became alarming when news broke that running back Joique Bell had been signed today. The news is a huge blow to the Saints considering the fact that Chris Ivory was shelved for the year only 24 hours prior. The Saints will now head into Seattle Saturday with backfield depth consisting of: Reggie Bush, Julius Jones, DeShawn Wynn and Joique Bell.
Did this news catch you by surprise? Is it safe to say our running game is officially in shambles now?
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i need a drink
"As a Saint fan I watch ‘Gone with the Wind’ just to watch Atlanta burn" -Ralph Malbrough
by DrewBreesManCrush on Jan 5, 2011 2:45 PM CST reply actions
I'll join you
A SAINT in Panther country
by carolinasaintsfan on Jan 5, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
I'll buy :(
"I'm in the Courtroom screaming Who Dat on the double, serving gumbo with a shovel, dog i'm on another level" -Jay Electonica
todays drink recipe: Whiskey, neat
mix 4 oz whiskey in whatever glass is closest
"As a Saint fan I watch ‘Gone with the Wind’ just to watch Atlanta burn" -Ralph Malbrough
by DrewBreesManCrush on Jan 5, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
how about another round?
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 6, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
not worried. reggie is going to earn his 8 million over the next few weeks.
you can put it on the accountability index.
by nanvinnie on Jan 5, 2011 2:46 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
Reggie’s best games this year were St. Louis and Tampa Bay, when he got his biggest number of carries: 9 each time. He averaged 6 yards a carry in those two games. IF he gets the blocking he needs, he’s perfectly capable of going off.
It was worth the wait.
If we play three more games.......................without Pierrre and Ivory
Reggie Bush has a Golden opportunity to define his carreer in the Pros in the next two or three games. I dont think he has ever been asked to carry the team on his shoulders but the time has come. He has had five years to educate himself to the NFL and it’s now time to prove his worth.
Reggie has always been considered a complimentary back and no one sees him as the feature back as much as a decoy. Well, Surprise……………….Reggie, you it from here on out and I hope you make the most of it. Your nolonger the decoy but rather the man with the target on his back.
My Magnificent Black and Gold Warriors
by saint-sly on Jan 5, 2011 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I was assuming........................
we win the next three first. If that happens, I wont worry so much about the fourth but it’s on Reggie now. We have all waited and waited for him to “Break out” and at best we have seen glimpses for five years. There wont be any decoys in these next few games except what he does in the passing game. I just don’t see him doing it but if he does I will help Jeff I.B. eat his shirt.
My Magnificent Black and Gold Warriors
I was assuming........................
we win the next three first. If that happens, I wont worry so much about the fourth but it’s on Reggie now. We have all waited and waited for him to “Break out” and at best we have seen glimpses for five years. There wont be any decoys in these next few games except what he does in the passing game. I just don’t see him doing it but if he does I will help Jeff I.B. eat his shirt.
My Magnificent Black and Gold Warriors
All the Reggie lovers are forgetting one all important thing
I’ll eat my shirt of Payton gives Reggie more than 12 carries.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
Of = off? Why is Payton wearing your shirt?
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Re: #25 ... CUT THAT CHUMP.
He’s a fan of my apparel.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
That's what i was thinking
Reggie should get most of the reps at RB but will Payton run the ball with Reggie? I am hoping he does but idk for sure if it’s happening
Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!
I don't see why not...
he had like 7 yards/carry against the Bucks, yah?
"Now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
But that doesn't matter to Payton
For instance, Ivory has had some outstanding games this season. He had an average of 10.5 yards/carry against Tampa Bay (1st match-up), 7.8 ypc against Cincinnati, and 6.7 ypc against St. Louis. Yet that didn’t translate into Payton giving him the ball more. We still played a pass heavy offense even though Ivory proved he could rack up the yards. I hope I’m wrong, but I expect a 70% pass / 30% run type of game.
Our fat punk kicker, Garrett Hartley, missed a game-winner and we lost for the second week in a row - Scott Fujita in 2009
by Ragin Who Dat on Jan 6, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Ever think the pass could set up the run?
Maybe that ratio of pass/run is what allowed Ivory to get the maximum yards per carry?
Or that maybe Ivory can’t handle more carries, what with the frequency of his injuries and getting knocked out of games?
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 6, 2011 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
Ever think the pass could set up the run?
Of course it does. But no moreso than the run sets up the pass.
Maybe that ratio of pass/run is what allowed Ivory to get the maximum yards per carry?
No one’s questioning that. He’s questioning the lack of running plays that made the offense as a whole less effective.
Or that maybe Ivory can’t handle more carries, what with the frequency of his injuries and getting knocked out of games?
Was it not Payton who settled on Ivory as a RB? If you want to brush aside his Payton’s reluctancy to use the guy as an alibi for his pass-heavy playcalling, then he should have gone out and drafted a more dependable RB to shoulder that half of the offense. He didn’t. He sank his faith into umpteen Fragile Freddies. That’s a failed experiment, not a free pass. No matter how you slice it, unbalanced playcalling to that degree is unacceptable and has played a substantial role in our struggles. Hell, we’re talking about the CINCINNATI game! Ivory’s not hurt. Ivory’s running well. We’re still pass heavy. We struggle to win. For God’s sake man, put 2 and 2 together already and stop staring at your d***!
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Of course it does. But no moreso than the run sets up the pass.
That’s the only point I was trying to make. Everything else is your assumption.
then he should have gone out and drafted a more dependable RB to shoulder that half of the offense.
How exactly can that be fixed in the middle of a game to balance playcalling? It’s too late, the draft isn’t until April.
For God’s sake man, put 2 and 2 together already and stop staring at your d***!Completely unnecessary comment, but for the record, if you had my d*** you’d admire it too.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 7, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
HeHe
I agree with CP on the overall argument, but your comeback was good. LOL.
Our fat punk kicker, Garrett Hartley, missed a game-winner and we lost for the second week in a row - Scott Fujita in 2009
by Ragin Who Dat on Jan 7, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
Of course it does. But no moreso than the run sets up the pass
Come to think of it, with the personel on this years team, our pass is probably a bit more successful at setting up the run, than our run is at setting up the pass. The trick is finding the right combination to maximize this offense. But in football in general, I agree with you.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 7, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
The irony in all of this is if he does ball but I'll wait until after this game...
2010 is cuzzin's breakout year...run with that chip bruh!
Officially?
I guess it’s only official if that’s the term the Saints use to describe it. I’d like to know what term Wang uses.
It was worth the wait.
Brees says it's ok
Official_Saints New Orleans Saints
"I feel like we have just as good of a chance as anybody (in playoffs). I know what we have accomplished & where we have been," -BreesOfficial_Saints New Orleans Saints
Brees said he is confident in Bush, Jones & Wynn. Said he is not worried about the RB positon.
Look through any window, yeah, what do you see?
As long as Brees is confident....... publicly.
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.
Bears, Beets, Battlestar Galactica-Jim Halpert
My three best qualities? Hard worker, Alpha male, Jackhammer- Dwight K. Shrutte
What else is he gonna say?
“Oh, we’re totally boned. And I’m going to have to enter the Federal Witness Protection program to avoid all the blitzes that are about to be thrown at me. I’m going to be scrambling like the second coming of Archie Manning.”
You're totally right, but...
The team wants to believe, has to believe. They deserve to believe. They’ve been working their tails off and they know that they are good, and that two players going down should never mean that the rest of them just take a knee and give up. In some corner of his brain, Brees may be being the politician, but I think moreso Brees is continuing to be the consummate professional and psyching himself (and his team) up. Whether that mindset can sustain the team through the cold reality of the gridiron remains to be seen, but I sure appreciate that they’re going to give it their all.
*blinks*....wasn't this Satch's post just 2 minutes ago?
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
It got replaced for some reason.
Oh well.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Jan 5, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
I'm assuming those are adidas?
One of my complaints against Reggie! (I work for Nike).
2010 is cuzzin's breakout year...run with that chip bruh!
Technically
My worst fear is being attacked by rabid wolverines after awakening severely hungover, liberally covered with cranberry sauce and attired in nothing but a pair of boxer shorts and one rubber boot.
But this is definitely number two.
I like Hamburgers!
by Grumps on Jan 5, 2011 2:51 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Non-rabid but extremely motivated wolverines would be worse. And what’s with the cranberry sauce… oxycoccophobia?
It was worth the wait.
not to mention
jenkins, graham, clark and hargrove did not practice
"As a Saint fan I watch ‘Gone with the Wind’ just to watch Atlanta burn" -Ralph Malbrough
by DrewBreesManCrush on Jan 5, 2011 2:55 PM CST reply actions
Admittedly I said OOOOOHHHHHHHH NNNNNOOOOOO! ! ! ! out loud when I read the headline...
But “shambles” is a bit too extreme. Concerning yes, shambles no.
That's not impossible...I used to bull's-eye whomprats in my T-16 back home, they're not much bigger than two meters!
*dislike
but not too worried about this wk… next wk, maybe so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qais_eGMnWk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39GH-nzrY_I&feature=relatde
Dear Reggie
We know you cannot take the toll of a 16 game season as a regular 25 carry Running Back but can you please for 3 games run NORTH and SOUTH put your head down and grind out the yards?
all this is a waste of course if payton chooses to air it out with reckless abandonment
by blackandgoldbuddha on Jan 5, 2011 3:01 PM CST reply actions
he's gonna run North and South but...
There’s gonna be some East and West runs that turn into some big gains as well as losses, it wouldn’t be Reggie if he didn’t. It’s just this time, he’ll get the carries to make up for those losses so that they don’t show up in the stat column at the end of the game.
2010 is cuzzin's breakout year...run with that chip bruh!
I wonder if this is a real injury
or is this another indication of problems between Pierre and the Saints organization. I guess we may never know the truth, but I suspect that something more than what we are being told is happening.
Dorothy-"But how can you talk if you haven't got a brain?" Scarecrow- "I don't know, but some people without brains do an awful lot of talking." -Wizard of Oz
Even if Mickey and Payton hate PT’s guts, they’d still put him on the field if he could run. And it’s a salary drive year for PT, he needs to show what he can do so he can earn next year. If he could play, he would, no doubt. That is not one hell of a high ankle sprain.
Look through any window, yeah, what do you see?
............
We can't win at home. We can't win on the road. I just can't figure out where else to play!
-- Pat Williams
Why am i not surprised
That another kicker has a fetish. How did you come to have this “nuts to the head” fetish.
I like Hamburgers!
it is supposed to be chicken little
You know the sky is falling right?
We can't win at home. We can't win on the road. I just can't figure out where else to play!
-- Pat Williams
by Fat Punk Kicker on Jan 5, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
HIDE THE CAT
"If you ask ME, though, any game without push-ups, hits, burns or noogies is a sissy game" Calvin to Hobbes
Repeating has just gotten a lot more unlikely this year
We really don’t know what we’re going to get from the run game in the playoffs. Like a lot of untried things in this world, you never know until you try. I would feel much more confident with Ivory and Thomas ready to go than having to rely on two unknowns. I’m not ready to call this season over because it ain’t over until it’s over.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010) and Ron Santo (February 25, 1940-December 2, 2010).
Next man up. No excuses.
We just need the threat of the run more so than great rushing statistics. Run Reggie run! How do we pronounce bells first name?
by saints fan in cowboyland! on Jan 5, 2011 3:10 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Apparently being a running back for the Saints is only marginally safer that Spinal Tap drummer
by Nabb1 on Jan 5, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
ok...that was funny.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
in rock and roll
there IS no injured reserve
by theprogrammerman on Jan 5, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
GREAT MOVIE - he choked
on someone else’s vomit
he spontaneously combusted…all that was ieft was a little green gobule on his stool
It's gonna be a great year.
by Hans Petersen on Jan 5, 2011 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
GAAAAAAAAAAAAH, for the record.
our worst fear has been realized. Now something positive, Wynn And Bell should have fresh legs, and motivation, if SP gives them the ball.
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.
Bears, Beets, Battlestar Galactica-Jim Halpert
My three best qualities? Hard worker, Alpha male, Jackhammer- Dwight K. Shrutte
Is it safe to say our running game is officially in shambles now?
It’s been in shambles since 2006. If they commit to running the football nearly as much as they pass it, they can work through those shambles. They did it last season with Bush and an injury prone UDFA. They did it a couple of times THIS season with Bush and an injury prone UDFA. They can obviously do it again. Doesn’t mean they will. Sean Payton’s still calling the plays. Who knows what we’ll get?
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Re: #25 ... CUT THAT CHUMP.
HOLY CRAP!
I did not want to see this today. Time for guys to step it up!
Bush and Jones are capable and fresh- no excuses. Some Rbs are worn down by now, not ours!
I do, however, question that Joique Bell was the best available at this point? I was Ok with Wynn,, but Bell?
If Pro is the opposite of Con, what is the opposite of Progress? Congress!
-Men's Restroom - House of Representatives, Washington, DC
No real problem with the pickup, though I would’ve probably gone after someone with starting experience based strictly on how important these upcoming few games are. Samkon Gado or T.J. Duckett are two availables that immediately come to mind.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Re: #25 ... CUT THAT CHUMP.
Rotoworld doom & gloom blurb to follow
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Re: #25 ... CUT THAT CHUMP.
Why are all you pass-happy lovers so worried?
Yesterday many of you were arguing that our running game didn’t matter much. Brees was the man and we would get to the promised land by passing. Now today you’re crying over Pierre Thomas being put on IR. If you believed the blather that you blogged yesterday Pierre’s status shouldn’t matter.
Our fat punk kicker, Garrett Hartley, missed a game-winner and we lost for the second week in a row - Scott Fujita in 2009
by Ragin Who Dat on Jan 5, 2011 5:21 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Pierre was an important piece of the passing game......................
Blocking, recieving, Decoyin (When Reggie wasn’t in there) and screenin. Thats half our passing attack…………………
My Magnificent Black and Gold Warriors
Brees will just find someone else to throw to
Don’t let this minor setback shake your faith in the might of the pass.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Re: #25 ... CUT THAT CHUMP.
of course we would want an PB with experience such as Duckett
not one like Bell that doesn’t have a carry and this is playoffs.
If Pro is the opposite of Con, what is the opposite of Progress? Congress!
-Men's Restroom - House of Representatives, Washington, DC
At least Joyk still wants to play. TJ Duckett has been out of football for 2 years now. Fat ass.
Look through any window, yeah, what do you see?
Experience > desire.
TWSS.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Re: #25 ... CUT THAT CHUMP.
RB
If Pro is the opposite of Con, what is the opposite of Progress? Congress!
-Men's Restroom - House of Representatives, Washington, DC
Seriously.
With the time PT spent away from the roster and the public “exchange” between him and Payton about that nagging injury, wasn’t that kind of expected?
Farewell Pierre….
Repeat? Under construction...
Well Reginald:
Time to s#!t or get off the pot.
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
I have to think Reggie’s “s#!t time” was in 2007, when Deuce went down against the Titans. For the 2nd overall pick in the draft to be outperformed by an UDFA — not once, but TWICE — that’s just a case of not being cut out for the position. I don’t care who you are. At that point, Payton should have either began grooming him as a full-time WR — you can still occasionally run fake reverses with a WR, they do it with Henderson and Meachem now — or cut his losses, imo. The money they’ve left tied up in this guy over the last three seasons or so is ludicrous. At least, in terms of production. Had he produced at WR, either Henderson or Moore could have conceivably been let go to get him more involved in the offense. Both have re-inked contracts since then. In fact, Moore’s is about to be up again. Funny that Arizona (Matt Leinart), Tennessee (Vince Young) and Denver (Jay Cutler) have all given up on their “can’t miss” first rounders from that draft and we haven’t, considering we’re the ones that have seemingly gotten the least use out of ours.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Re: #25 ... CUT THAT CHUMP.
Gotten the least use out of ours? I agree Reggie is overpaid. But c’mon, Reggie has been a contributor on some great offenses.
I posit that we are a better team with Reggie than without him. If he had been a 3rd round pick making 2-3 million a year now, we’d all be satisfied with his contributions when healthy. He was a huge part of our playoff run to the Super Bowl last year (he played great against Arizona, had one bad play and one great play (and a few good ones) against Minn), and was a contributor in the Super Bowl itself.
I agree that looking back we would have been better off using that pick for someone else; but since then, he’s been a significant contributor on the excellent offenses from ’06 – ’09.
Least use as in involvement. The other three are all QBs. Bush has had 911 total touches as a Saint. Cutler had 1220 passing attempts as a Bronco. Young had 1190 with the Titans. Leinart comes up short (595), but that’s just passing attempts. All three have handed the ball off to various RBs. Take Bush’s 911 touches, subtract Leinart’s 595 passing attempts, divide by Leinart’s 29 games played and you’re talking about roughly 11 handoffs per game to surpass Bush’s utilization. Without going the play-by-play route, I don’t think that’s much of a stretch. Maybe if Sean Payton was his head coach. Which could have very easily been the case, when you think about it.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
If you check out profootballreference.com, they have a metric called AV or average value. Not exactly sure how they tabulate this, but it takes every position into account and grades them on the same scale, based on performance. They haven’t yet posted their 2010 AVs, but going into the season:
Cutler 40
Bush 36
Young 27
Leinart 12
Which seems about right, imo. You have to figure Cutler’s 2010 grade is going to be in the same ballpark as his 2009 grade (10), maybe a little better. His INTs were down and his overall passer rating is right back up with his averages in Denver. Bush was barely used at all this year. It appears the scale minimum is 1, so that’s probably what he’ll net … a 2 tops. Young’s passer rating was the best it’s ever been, as was his INT% (which is included in passer rating). Probably a 9 or 10 there, putting he and Bush on or about equal career value. Leinart remains a dud. 0 points for holding a clipboard. Again, 2 of the other 3 are officially hasta la vista and the 3rd is a dead man walking, in terms of the franchises that drafted them. You do the math.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Not sure why you’re comparing him just to QBs, seems a bit awkward. If you insist, I think the Saints would easily take Bush today over those three QBs on a straight up trade (for playing purposes, I mean, not for future trade bait).
And I won’t disagree that Bush has underperformed compared to his draft pick and salary. But I stand by my statement that’s he’s been a significant contributor, and he’s had flashes of excellent play (yes, inconsistent flashes). I still say the Saints are better with him than without him.
I’m comparing them because he/they comprised the upper offensive echelon of the same draft class. The other three have all worn out their welcome with the franchises they were drafted to lead. He hasn’t, though I’m convinced he’s on the cusp of doing so. He’s been given a longer leash (Payton’s decision). When his limited usage (again, Payton’s decision) is taken into account, that’s inexplicable. As a head coach, you either attempt to get a player involved, thereby proving his worth, or you admit your mistake and cut your losses. You don’t just SIT on that player for three more seasons, while his non-guaranteed base salary continues to balloon. Jim Haslett was basically crucified for not pulling the plug on Aaron Brooks, yet Sean Payton is rarely (if ever) called out for coddling HIS favorite toy. What, just because Bush isn’t getting Brooks playing time, that makes it all ok? Out of sight, out of mind? Sorry, that’s not how it works. There’s this thing called financial responsibility and when you’re talking about the potential betterment of an entire TEAM, Payton (and repeat offender Loomis) are both in clear violation of that.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
If you insist, I think the Saints would easily take Bush today over those three QBs on a straight up trade (for playing purposes, I mean, not for future trade bait).
Ex post facto, my son. Had they not landed Brees, Culpepper or possibly Josh McCown, either Leinart or Young would have been the pick. You can take that one to the bank.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I’d also SERIOUSLY doubt your assertion, as far as Cutler is concerned, if salary was the non-issue you make it out to be. Trust me, Chicago would be FAR less willing to entertain that “straight up” trade than the Saints would. They already have their Devin Hester. We have our … Chase Daniel? Hmm, wonder who would benefit more in a Bush-for-Cutler swap.
As far as Young is concerned, Tennessee would trade him for numerous NFL players in a heartbeat, as Bud Adams is reportedly at his wit’s end. That being said, I can’t imagine the Titans NOT hesistating, if Bush was the straight up compensation, They already have two promising young RBs Chris Johnson and Javon Ringer, as well as Randy Moss (who’s reportedly psyched to return) as their resident decoy to open up the offense. What would Bush add to that mix exactly? Good or bad, a starting QB in the prime of his career for a hit-or-miss punt returner? Real iffy.
To Houston for Leinart? That actually sounds like a reasonable trade, in terms of logistics. Bush would complement Foster ok and Leinart may or may not be an upgrade over Daniel. He’s also probably making a lot less now than he was as a top pick, being that he’s the only one of the four that was outright released, at least to this point. Back in the real world, however, if the Saints wanted Leinart as a backup, why wouldn’t they have pursued him when he was on the open market? Maybe they did and we just don’t know about it. In any case, that’s really the only one of the three I could see actually shaking out. The point being that in a trade, it takes two to tango. Bush isn’t the scorching hot commodity you’re making him out to be. There will never be 31 other teams knocking on that door. Even with a restructured sign-and-trade deal in place, PayLoo would only be able to generate legitimate interest from 10 or so teams, I’m guessing. And even then, you’re talking about something along the lines of what we got for Donte Stallworth, in terms of compensation. Which, in this case, I’d be content with.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I'm not saying Bush is a scorching hot commodity.
In fact, I’d probably be pleased if we could get a 3rd round pick for him.
I’d be angry as hell if we traded him for Leinart, though… a significant contributor on our offense being traded for a QB who will NEVER lead us to the playoffs? C’mon.
But in any case we’re pretty much arguing past each other. I’m just saying Bush is a contributor, and I’m glad we have him (as opposed to not having him). If we can restructure his contract to a reasonable level (maybe 3 million a year or so) then I’d be happy to keep him. Not only is he a significant contributor, but he sells jersies.
You sound as if you think Bush is a total failure ala Ki-Jana Carter or something. I say he’s a role player, and our offense is better with him than without him. That’s all.
And I’d easily take him over Cutler or Young. Reggie will help us win more games than a backup QB, imo.
Why isn't Sean Payton called out?
Easy. Wins. I’m sure you already knew the answer to that question.
As far as Cutler goes
I would argue it was he that gave up on the Broncos and McDaniel. Seems to have been vindicated after McDaniels got canned after less than 2 seasons.
Otherwise, I don’t care about this discussion at all. Carry on.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 6, 2011 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
BOOM rec'd it
I gave up on McDaniels too. Moron.
But when Quinn the Eskimo gets here
Ev’rybody’s gonna wanna doze
Maybe now....
Bush will be in the backfield and the defense won’t automatically know it’s either a toss or pass to the outside. The offense is laughably predictable when Bush is on the field and I hate that. The outside runs with Bush never make any headway, he always swarmed by 8 defenders, and on the rare occasion there is positive yardage there’s a holding call to bring it back. Let him take it up the gut a few times. He looked great doing that against the Bucks.
"Now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
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