Saints 36 @ Seahawks 41: The Day After
If for some godforsaken reason there actually is an NFL lockout next season then this will, unfortunately, be the final game we see the Saints play for quite a while. Sucks, I know. We might as well analyze the hell out of it so we can quickly put it behind us and make sure to gain some closure We've got no other game on the horizon to look forward to anyway, right?
Make the jump for my usual notes. I've left plenty of room to add your own thoughts.
- I've noticed a handful of fans already calling for Gregg Williams' head and I'm admittedly shocked by such a sudden change of heart. Is he not the same defensive coordinator who strolled into town last year and took this team all the way to Super Bowl glory? What the hell do you expect from the man? Williams may be the captain of the ship and deserves slight blame simply because of that fact. But it took quite a few players and a serious breakdown of fundamentals to miss eight tackles on Marshawn Lynch's 67-yard touchdown run. Gregg Williams is merely one man on the sideline at the mercy of his players on the field. In the debate between game plan vs. execution, I'm not sure how you couldn't put most of the blame on the latter. The fact of the matter is: the Saints don't have enough talent at certain positions on defense. We've got seven months to discuss that last sentence ad nauseum.
- I saw Deion Sanders on NFL Network call Marshawn Lynch's run the greatest ever in the playoffs. Really? I think we're giving him too much of the credit and the Saints defense not enough of the blame.
- The tackling was atrocious and I'm not just referring to the back-breaking Marshawn Lynch run. Off the top of my head I remember Jabari Greer missing a couple of tackles and I'm sure there are plenty of other culprits as well. That kind of crap was acceptable in the pre-season, not the post-season.
- At least the Saints don't need to worry about finding a field goal kicker this off-season. Garrett Hartley went a perfect 3/3 yesterday and has really rebounded nicely this season, closing out the year with thirteen straight made. That onside kick to end the game was atrocious, however, and I'm not sure why Morstead wasn't used in that situation.
- Roman Harper had a rough, rough day. This was a team loss so there's plenty of blame to go around but Harper probably did enough to earn himself the title as this games goat. He got totally burned on a couple of vertical routes and bit on the play-action pass to wide open tight end John Carlson for the score. Unfortunately, something tells me fans aren't going to be forgetting his performance for a while.
- I'm now rooting for Seattle to go all the way. It would at least offer some solace to know the Saints actually lost to a talented football team who got really hot at the right time as opposed to just a lucky one-hit wonder.
- What happened to Colston at the end of the game? He was Drew's go-to guy early on, making some big catches, but seemed to disappear on those final drives.
- I can't complain too much about the play calling. The only play I might question would be the Julius Jones run on 4th and inches when he tripped over Carl Nicks' leg. Why not just go with a quarterback sneak on that play?
- The Saints needed to use DeShawn Wynn in the final stanza after Julius Jones appeared to get injured. You've got to see the humor in that. Even until the bitter end the Saints continued to get decimated by injury, particularly at the running back position. I'm not so sure those banged up boys in Black & Gold would have had a chance in the next round of the playoffs.
- The offensive line played a little better than usual and did a decent job keeping Drew protected. I would haev to say Jon Stinchcomb is the clear weak link. He was responsible for the only Drew Brees sack.
- Yesterday's game shined a light on the Saints return game, both punt and kickoffs. I believe Payton mentioned in his post-game press conference how poorly they executed and the team's constant lack of good field position because of it. Bush, Moore, Henderson, Meachem; none of them are good kick/punt returners. And the rest of the special teams unit? Well, they aren't helping open any running lanes.
- Do you think the Saints would have lost to the Rams?
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I have seen the “get rid of GW” posts a plenty on other sites….Totally unacceptable talk!
Agree on Garrett. He has a job as long as he wants it!
Please, for Love of Jesus1000, DRAFT a KR Specialist. That display yesterday was beyond PATHETIC.
With all that said….WHO DAT 4-EVER!!!!!! Let’s lick our wounds and get ready for next year!
DON'T STOP 'TIL WE REACH THE TOP!!!!!!!!
Another SAINTS fan in Panther country!
GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!
WHO DAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
a KR specialist that would be a backup to Roby?
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
Yes, assuming he returns and still has his nerve. Unlike, say, Colston, who heard footsteps and flinched an awful lot of times this year.
CHIEFS.... GAAAA!!!!
your sig is appropriate, I like it – what happened with Matt today?
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
Totally.
Colston dropped balls all year, specially at the beginning of almost every game this year. In his defense, I could understand how he’s getting a bit fed up with all those numerous jump catches in the slot that make him a very easy target for huge blows.
Repeat? Under construction...
yep.
regarding Colston.
"I am a Saints player. Look, sir" Patrick Robinson
by CrazyforColston on Jan 9, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
BOOM rec'd it all except the Seahawks point
Thanks for calling out Jabari Greer and Colston. And Devery dropped an important 3rd down pass, that was bad. Tracy Porter, who I like a lot, got tossed like a rag doll way out of the camera frame on the Lynch run, that was extremely embarrassing.
Yes, Deion is a moron. That was not Lynch running, that was the Saints D unable to tackle.
And yes, we do need a KR to back up Roby, for sure. Devery and Meachem embarrassed themselves and all of us.
Go CHIEFS!
by stujo4 on Jan 9, 2011 2:20 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I wrote my reply to SaintsFanaticin NC before I read your comment above in regards to Roby. I agree he needs a backup.
Deion Sanders is not a Saints fan to begin with so I would expect him to say such things.
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
Wow, way to call out Porter
Except for getting stiffed armed like a boss, Porter is one of if not the only guy to have a good day on defense. He was about the surest tackler all game long.
Dude, I’ll swap you some Lortab for whatever it is you’re taking.
CHIEFS.... GAAAA!!!!
by stujo4 on Jan 9, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I kind of agree with him
Porter made a nice open field tackle for a loss in the backfield. Everyone else would have missed that. And he had another nice one as well. Actually almost said that in my original post.
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by Dave Cariello on Jan 9, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
just saw another replay of the “Marshawning” run…Porter, after getting tossed around like a rag doll by Lynch makes barely a half-hearted effort to continue pursuing the play and didn’t even make another attempt at tackling him, when he might have helped to push him out of bounds with that group at the 10-yard line.
Happiness is a warm blanket.
by Hans Petersen on Jan 9, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
Have to give Lynch some credit
Yeah the defense obviously sucked donkey balls but that really was a great run.
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by SarahT on Jan 9, 2011 6:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Good points, Dave
Poor tackling, a few goal-line short-yardage failures in the 2nd/3rd quarters, and a victimized secondary made that game so atrocious. It felt like 2008 all over again. Only thing missing was a couple of Brees INTs.
And it seems to me that whenever Drew throws 50+ times a game, we lose.
In my household, the Seahawks ended our teams’ seasons (Rams + Saints), so our feeling is that we want the Seahawks to get pounded into oblivion next week – irrational hate, I know…but it must be directed somewhere.
Did anyone else notice our boys committed a few cheap-shot late-hits yesterday? Dave Thomas did one on #91, drawing a retaliation hit that was flagged and gave us a first down. I also noticed Will Smith hitting folks late a few times. I didn’t like this when it was happening earlier this year, and I still don’t like it.
Happiness is a warm blanket.
My favorite was Shanle dropping Hasslebeck like a bag of dirt, long after the whistle. Accident? Perhaps. But not bloody likely. Don’t get into Lunch Pale’s personal space.
CHIEFS.... GAAAA!!!!
prereply to CP
Yes, it WOULD have been nice if Shanle could have done that DURING a play. It would have.
CHIEFS.... GAAAA!!!!
Haha!!!
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by Dave Cariello on Jan 9, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
that was Hasselebeck taking a page out of the NBA drama playbook
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
Stay classy.
You sound like a Cards fan when Docket elbowed Hasselbeck in the throat after the play was dead. Really? That’s kind of asshole-ish. I would never applaud someone hitting Brees after a play was dead, let alone any player. Anyways, I can imagine you must be embarassed by Lynch owning your entire defense. Plus you guys lost to the worst record wise team in playoff history. Good luck with that buddy.
by PhoneHomeET29 on Jan 10, 2011 3:00 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Did u see when Hasselbeck fell down...
It kinda looked like Shanle hip checked him
by BlknGldSoulja on Jan 9, 2011 9:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Rams?
I think that we would have lost to the Rams b/c imo they have a much better running game with Jackson and I think they have a better defense than the Seahawks. I think the loss would have been closer than 5 points maybe 1-3 points.
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
Last year we had a pic of Drew holding up Baylen while confetti fluttered in the air.
This year we have a pic of Lynch running 67 yards while the Saints’ defensive arms fluttered in the air. A terrible season souviner. This bad taste in my mouth is going to last longer than I thought.
It’s hard not to dwell on the past when the media will be replaying it for the next 10 years.
Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!
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by Just 'Nother Day on Jan 9, 2011 2:50 PM CST reply actions
Get rid of GeeDub? Crazy talk. Marshawn Lynch having the greatest run in history? Crazy talk. Rooting for Seattle? Crazy talk. Losing to the Rams? Crazy talk.
I’ve noticed a lot of crazy talk going around, and I wonder if it’s always like this when a Super Bowl champion doesn’t repeat. Never having been spoiled before, I wouldn’t know.
It was worth the wait.
by MtnExile on Jan 9, 2011 3:01 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
The craziest talk has to be the getting rid of Greg Williams.
Really? Yesterday’s monstrosity was a day in the office before GW came around. And you want to get rid of the guy who helped fix that? Now I will say, has anyone watched HOW the Saints tried to tackle Lynch on that play? Notice they weren’t going for the legs, the wrap up. They kept trying to strip it, go for the turnover. That I will blame on Greg, teach them to tackle and strip, not just one.
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Tracy Porter...
got the humiliation he deserved by stupidly tring to rip the ball on the runner’s opposing hand. I’m sorry but that is bad technique. Since there is no way you can keep your balance in that position he should have known better and just tackle instead.
Repeat? Under construction...
boom rec'd.
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by CrazyforColston on Jan 9, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
today is my birthday
What a lovely gift the saints gave to me LOL and the aggies too as I was in attendance for the cotton bowl. I know a lot of yall are tiger fans but its ok….at least the aggies lost to a quality opponent. Unlike our saints….who dat gonna get some new lb’s for next season?
"Obstacles can not crush me. Every obstacle yields to stern resolve. He who is fixed to a star does not change his mind." -Leonardo DaVinci
by BigCountryLV on Jan 9, 2011 3:04 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Hey, Mine too!!!
Snap, place, kick! And it's good! It's good! It's goo-hoo-hood! Pigs have flown! Hell Has frozen over! The Saints are going to the Superbowl!
by Joseph William Stern on Jan 9, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
Happy birthday to both of you!!
Mine was the 6th, so it seems January is the CSC birthday month.
Offseason Motto: Burn the damn black pants.
"The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades." - Timbuk3
Canal Street Chronicles-you know you want to
January 7th is my B-day.
I once read that if you choose 100 people at random, the odds are that two or more of them will share a birthday even though the mathmatical odds are against it. Go figure.
I never thought I would say this but can we lose the Who Dat chant? It kinda hurts at times like these.
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
would have to agree, again. a simple WHO DAT is okay….right?
DON'T STOP 'TIL WE REACH THE TOP!!!!!!!!
Another SAINTS fan in Panther country!
GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!
WHO DAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by SAINTSfaninNC on Jan 9, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
that's rash.
"I am a Saints player. Look, sir" Patrick Robinson
by CrazyforColston on Jan 9, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Adding insult to injury
Jay Glazer just said that the Saints wanted Marshawn Lynch. Loomis told the Bills that before they trade him anywhere, the Saints would give a better package, Buffalo never called lol and he went to Seattle. Mickey was ready to give up a 3rd rounder for Marshawn lmao, wow..
Taylor Gang or wear a #6 Miami Heat Jersey in Cleveland
heard that, too. Didn’t realize that had gone on or just don’t remember.
DON'T STOP 'TIL WE REACH THE TOP!!!!!!!!
Another SAINTS fan in Panther country!
GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!
WHO DAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by SAINTSfaninNC on Jan 9, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
That would have been a huge mistake. Marshawn Lynch sucked all year at Seattle.
CHIEFS.... GAAAA!!!!
yeah, and I thought he had some "character" issues as well
Happiness is a warm blanket.
by Hans Petersen on Jan 9, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
Mickey was ready to give up a 3rd rounder for Marshawn lmao, wow..
I don’t believe it. Unless the Bills hate Mickey and refused to deal with him and there is no evidence of that.
Rotoworld.com:
Marshawn Lynch-RB- Seahawks Oct. 5 – 2:27 pm et Seahawks acquired RB Marshawn Lynch from the Bills in exchange for a 2011 fourth-round pick and a conditional 2012 draft pick.
Marshawn Lynch-RB- Seahawks Oct. 5 – 11:13 pm et The Green Bay Press-Gazette confirms that the Packers were “in on the bidding” for Marshawn Lynch. GM Ted Thompson wasn’t willing to go to a third-round pick. For all we know, he could have been offering a fourth, but the Bills figured Seattle’s pick would be quite a bit higher in the same round.
Marshawn Lynch-RB- Seahawks Oct. 6 – 10:51 am et League sources tell Rob Demovsky of the Green Bay Press-Gazette that the Packers, Eagles, and Patriots were all involved in trade talks for Marshawn Lynch. Chances are each team was just doing its due diligence, as Lynch could have been had for the reasonable price of a third-round pick.
If Mickey really had a 3rd round pick on the table, he would have had Lynch. The Bills are notorious cheapskates.
CHIEFS.... GAAAA!!!!
I believe pretty much everything Jay Glazer says
The guy is 99% right
Taylor Gang or wear a #6 Miami Heat Jersey in Cleveland
I’ll need an ‘81 Chevy Citation on that 99%. He’s the Rona Barrett of the NFL. Nothing to report, make it up. Reconcile that with what I posted from the Inside Edition of the NFL, Rotoworld.com.
CHIEFS.... GAAAA!!!!
10-0,17-7, and Stokley
1.No prob. w/ GW hope he stays.
2.Nevermind Deon.
3.Greer gets a pick early, here we go, oh no, but both CB’s looked bad tackling, M.Williams was a bad match-up.
4.I’m OK w/ Hartley, nervous, but OK 5. Harper got fooled time after time, MJ was missed. 6. Hasselbeck is a vet he pulled it together for at least a game,we didn’t blitz enough early in the game i thought, and a shout out to USL’s own B.Stokley two games v. the Saints 2 wins. Rooting for mehh, As much as I dislike the Falcons, Eagle and Bear fans are worse. Wife grew up in Wisc. family still there, so thats that. 7. Colston a Knee scoped 10 days earlier what can u say. 8/9 JuJo and Wynn short yd awful, Reg couldn’t finish the gm Drew needed to sneak it 10. Stinchcomb and OL had issues all yr. still kept Drew out the Hospital. 11. Yes we beat the Rams. Keep Da Faith, Who-Dats.
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Deon is a douche bag
And his 80’s preacher suits are beyond ugly. He thinks his sh*t doesn’t stink. He annoys me to no end.
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by SarahT on Jan 9, 2011 6:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Ka-Boom! Rec.
Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!
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by Just 'Nother Day on Jan 10, 2011 1:42 AM CST up reply actions
well colts lost too
People have forgotten that the Colts were the AFC champions last year and they lost in the first round of the playoffs to the jets. That makes me feel better. I am breaking down the defensive down to the bone. I think GW mixes up the play calling and does a good job with the blitz packages. Being a former defensive back in high school, we had a defensive coordinator that called the plays but we had a defensive back coach that was responsible for teaching players the fundamentals. So do the saints have a DB coach and a LB coach? Is there a coach that makes sure the players are in the right place and teaching fundamentals? GW is not responsible for NFL athletes missing tackles and not sticking to their assignments.
by believerofgoldandblack on Jan 9, 2011 3:29 PM CST reply actions
So do the saints have a DB coach and a LB coach? Is there a coach that makes sure the players are in the right place and teaching fundamentals?
I’ve been wondering the same thing. I’m not ready to throw GW out the window, but there has to be someone held accountable for the poor fundamental tackling. I realize these are NFL players, but I think they still need to work on this continually.
"It's better to burn out than fade away."
I think the biggest problem to address
is the secondary. But then again, with the young guns coming on (jenkins, robinson) we’re probably already on the case.
But damned if tight ends haven’t given us fits the past two seasons.
You know who we didn't see on the field?
Usama Young. Saw him on the sideline though. Even with Jenkins out, he didn’t rotate in at all with Sharper/Harper and P-rob gets to play nickel? Wonder where Usama ends up in 2011?
CHIEFS.... GAAAA!!!!
I thought I saw him play ST a bit - gunner-type stuff
Happiness is a warm blanket.
by Hans Petersen on Jan 9, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
Don't forget Colston just had knee surgery
We can't win at home. We can't win on the road. I just can't figure out where else to play!
-- Pat Williams
GW is fine, although I thought he should have went with more man and pressed on the corners earlier.
Based on the game, here are my thoughts on what the Saints need in free agency and the draft…
1) Pass rusher – DE or OLB. The team really needs someone who can consistently rush the passer without blitzing.
2) OT – Although Drew was only sacked once, he was constantly pressured by Seattle’s front, which includes zero Pro Bowl appearances.
3) RB – With Pierre probably gone, Ivory injured often and Reggie being Reggie, we need a consistent rusher.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league, Drew Brees.''
-- Sean Payton
our DBs never seemed to even try to jam their receivers coming off the line
Happiness is a warm blanket.
by Hans Petersen on Jan 9, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Our DB's DON'T jam receivers
I don’t know what it’s about, but it almost
Looks like a hard rule with them. They give huge cushion A LOT.
"The Colts were punching at it and grabbing for it, trying to get it out. But I didn't care if they broke all my fingers. There was absolutely no way in the world I was going to let go of that ball. That was our ball.''-Chris Reis
by FuSoYa on Jan 9, 2011 6:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
They started to jam a bit during the 2nd/3rd qtr - can't remember and also in the 4th they tightened up and the Seahwawks went cold.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league, Drew Brees.''
-- Sean Payton
I love you Dave, but....
The offensive line played a little better than usual and did a decent job keeping Drew protected.
REALLY? Is it just me, or did I see Drew under pressure all game long. Hasselback had at least two times (maybe 3 times) the time that Drew had. Is that because our pass rush sucks that bad? How many times did Drew drop back and have a clean pocket to work from? Additionally, how often are our running backs getting contact behind the line of scrimmage?
I appreciate all that the guys have to do, but OL play is a place for improvement going into ’11.
Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!
WHO DAT?!
TWO DAT!!
I didn't say they played well...
I just said they played “a little better than usual.”
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by Dave Cariello on Jan 9, 2011 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't say they played well...
I just said they played “a little better than usual.”
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by Dave Cariello on Jan 9, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
The grandmaster himself double posted.
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totally agree - Drew was only sacked once.
But, I thought he had to move a lot in the pocket.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league, Drew Brees.''
-- Sean Payton
He had happy feet all day. He has absolutely zero faith in his OT’s, and rightfully so. He’ll, even Nicks looked kinda bad yesterday. But seriously, I would really consider spending our 1st round pick on an OT, depending on who’s out there this year. That would even help our bargain-basement(except for Reggie) run squad a little. assuming we don’t get “Sullivaned” again.
Of course, it does appear our defense might need a little more high-priced help than our offense… And no more 1st round corners, please.
But I digress. Our OT’s suck, generally speaking. The best thing Bushrod did all day was try to carry Wynn into the endzone on the 4th down attempt. And he failed at that.
"The Colts were punching at it and grabbing for it, trying to get it out. But I didn't care if they broke all my fingers. There was absolutely no way in the world I was going to let go of that ball. That was our ball.''-Chris Reis
by FuSoYa on Jan 9, 2011 6:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Here is the difference
The Seahawks were putting pressure on Brees with 3 man rushes. The Saints couldn’t get any pressure unless they blitz everyone and their dog.
I really don’t know what to think of Bushrod. He certainly struggles at times, but he is also usually facing the top pass rushers in the game. However, I can’t ignore the fact that Drew was under more duress this year than past years.
Keys
I didnt sign on here yesterday due to depondency but note the following:
1. OK. Can we finally burn the black pants already?? Are you happy now??
2. Reggie’s drop on the first drive turning 7 into 3 really hurt the momentum. Maybe it is wishful thinking in light of our defense but I think 14-0 early would have been so much bigger than 10-0.
3. I’ve never seen a punter get decked that hard while so vulnerable and a flag not be thrown.
4. The secondary. Such a strength last year. Was that really Darren Sharper wearing #42 or someone else from the recent past? Hard to believe that nobody in the secondary could make a play to stop one of those pop-fly passes that looked like it was shot out of a t-shirt gun.
5. Sorry Reggie. Restructure or you have to be released. And every team in the NFL knows it.
6. The 4th and inches play was a disaster. I am amazed it was not a sneak in that situation.
7. Special teams from a coverage standpoint and a return standpoint have been atrocious all year. We could have had Roby yesterday, but he appears to have lost a gear to me. He may be a good gunner but if he cant do more than that, he has to go.
8. You too, Usama.
9. The tackling. I agree that the Lynch run was bound to happen. We got killed needlessly with the WR screens early and often. Who is teaching the CBs this technique about diving in kamikaze-style and not wrapping up? P-Rob does this exclusively, kind of like Mike McKenzie last year at age 47. Porter is slightly better. And when did Jabari Greer turn into Jason Craft?
10. Except for the fumble, mostly a good effort from Julius Jones, mostly due to good run blocking from gthe offensive line. But if I see JuJo on the opening day roster next year, I think I’ll hurl.
11. Maybe it was for the best. Seeing Heath Evans be our primary RB in the 4th quarter was downright depressing, though he appeared to give it everything he had. What was depressing was he was giving it everything he had.
Probably too many points for now. Thankfully we have 7 months to digest.
"Bow Down Before The One You Serve"
by MobileSaint on Jan 9, 2011 4:58 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
boom rec'd it
And when did Jabari Greer turn into Jason Craft?
ouch
Heath Evans: What was depressing was he was giving it everything he had.OW stop it you’re killing me
CHIEFS.... GAAAA!!!!
I think the Saints kept Sharper this year out of loyalty for what he did in 2009
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
#3
That blocked the punter call was bs.
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by SarahT on Jan 9, 2011 6:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It wasn't BS
What was BS is a Saints player blocked/pushed him into the Punter. Your player hurt your punter. I’m not trying to be rude, but watch the replay and I’m sure it’ll change your opinion.
by PhoneHomeET29 on Jan 10, 2011 3:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
When I saw P Rob dive and miss that tackle ... I clearly said McKenzie. You are so dead on with that!
by SaintsGirlnMS on Jan 10, 2011 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
That tackling technique
is when my kids play Super Mario and the tortoise shell comes hurtling at Mario. If Mario jumps over it (which is fairly effortless), he is home free.
"Bow Down Before The One You Serve"
I watched the Chiefs/Ravens post game show and one of the questions posed to the panel was “Do you think Brees and P. Manning will make it to the Superbowl again?” I thought that question was a bit much on the dramatic side for the two quarterbacks in question. What do you all think?
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
Post game shows doing that?
INCONCEIVABLE!!
Offseason Motto: Burn the damn black pants.
"The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades." - Timbuk3
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if it makes anyone feel any better
here is the forecast for Saturday at Soldier Field
- High 27
- Low 13
30% chance of snow showers.
No thanks.
"Bow Down Before The One You Serve"
the Saints only kept Sharper this year because
even though he played much worse than last year, he was still better than Usama Young and Proileau.
If Pro is the opposite of Con, what is the opposite of Progress? Congress!
-Men's Restroom - House of Representatives, Washington, DC
One thing good to come out of this weekend was that
THE EAGLES LOST HAHAHAHA! He went out like he should have throwing an interception to seal the deal…and started limping too. If my Saints can’t win I will happily take this conselation prize.
Breesus Is My Homeboy
by SarahT on Jan 9, 2011 7:16 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
it softened the blow for me just a little
I would have been suicidal if the Eagles won. Vick will never win any big games, he’s dumber than a doornail. Lots of raw talent but when does that ever win a SB? I’ll take a guy like Drew any day who truly knows what’s going on out there- not a guy that runs around and plays schoolyard ball. We’ve seen how often that wins a SB.
If Pro is the opposite of Con, what is the opposite of Progress? Congress!
-Men's Restroom - House of Representatives, Washington, DC
draft and offseason moves
what do you think will happen, assuming the cap is relatively the same? If we can land Akeem Ayers w/ our order, I think we’ll have a good first round.
I also see a belechek-like offseason, trading up, signing some veterans. Richard Seymour is available, Cedric Benson maybe . . . we need pass rush and SOLID run game and we’re the best team in the nfl.
Even if we keep Pierre and Ivory, there’s not elite backs and they’re BOTH injury prone.
I'll tell you who I want - I'm calling my shot
Rickey Williams – there, I said it.
"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010
by SaintBevo on Jan 9, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Hook 'em, Eh?
"The Colts were punching at it and grabbing for it, trying to get it out. But I didn't care if they broke all my fingers. There was absolutely no way in the world I was going to let go of that ball. That was our ball.''-Chris Reis
by FuSoYa on Jan 9, 2011 10:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
A Belichick-like offseason would be trading DOWN and stockpiling picks for 2012 with teams that (likely) will give us high picks the next year. Like giving up our 3rd round pick and getting a top-10 pick in the 2nd round for 2012. I would actually really like that in the long run, but in the short when we still have so many holes on defense it’s harder to enjoy the extra wait.
reggie has to go
seriously. i love him as a ‘utility’ player…. but don’t utility players suck, and that’s why they ride the bench all the time in baseball?
Truths and lies from yesterday's game
Truth: Darren Sharper is done as a starting S in this league – Sad to say, but true. I’m ok with him being a 3rd or 4th safety, but that’s about it.
Truth: Roman Harper just isn’t that good – He was totally exposed yesterday. With a top notch safety with him (i.e Jenkins this year and Sharper last year) he can be effective. But when asked to do more and cover for a sub-par safety with him his lack of range is exposed.
Lie: Gregg Williams needs to go – Seriously? This defense took a big step forward this year, despite a down year from Greer and a complete lack of anyone who can generate pass rush on their own. Yes, they screwed the pooch yesterday but I don’t think that was a scheme issue.
Truth: Stinchcomb is the weak link – We might as well call him turnstile. His weakness can be covered up by a dominant Evans, but with Evans having an off year, he was exposed. Let’s hope Charles Brown or someone else can step into his spot soon.
Lie: Seattle’s 12th man disrupted our offense – It was kind of funny to hear the announcers crediting the crowd with our false starts. Obviously they haven’t watched us play, because our OL this year would have 3 false starts in a cathedral.
"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010
by SaintBevo on Jan 9, 2011 7:31 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
"our OL this year would have 3 false starts in a cathedral." LMAO
Now that there is worth a rec!
Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!
I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.
by Just 'Nother Day on Jan 10, 2011 1:52 AM CST up reply actions
Rec. for Cathedral
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I have no problem blaming this loss entirely on Roman Harper
He was burned multiple times by his man in man-to-man coverage. His responsibility and no one else’s. 3 TDs on him.
As far as Reggie goes, can’t blame it on him since he was predictably useless, no surprise. All his speed is wasted by dancing side to side. It’s the NFL, you’re gonna have to go up field and break a tackle to take it to the house (sometimes 8 tackles, ask Lynch). But with 6 minutes to go, down by seven, and the Saints ready to begin their drive, with no RBs left, and it’s reported that Reggie went to the locker room? Are you kidding me? His leg better have fallen off to leave the game with the entire season on the line and his team needing him. No heart. Pack your shit, Reggie. You make the most money on this team, and you’ve never earned it. I thought we should trade you this coming offseason, now i don’t care if we just cut your ass. You don’t belong on this team. See you in the East or West conferences since that’s the only direction you seem willing to move. BUST.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 9, 2011 8:11 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
No heart is right Breesus – did anyone on here see the GSP/Koscheck title fight in December 2010? Koscheck basically fought for 4 rounds with 1 eye against GSP and fought to a decision. Koscheck lost the fight but never gave up. Just an example for Reggie to wrestle with.
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
by lovingmma25 on Jan 10, 2011 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Green'd
Offseason Motto: Burn the damn black pants.
"The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades." - Timbuk3
Canal Street Chronicles-you know you want to
Agree with you BCS
I was so hoping (mostly praying) that Bush would go out there with a chip on his shoulder. Surely, he’s heard the rumblings about his lack of production and the fans growing tired of his “potential” not being met. As soon as he dropped that pass near the endzone, I knew he wasn’t ready (and my hopes and prayers flew out the window).
We need a pass rush more than anything else on this team. Hasselbeck had so much time to throw the ball Even the best cover corner can only lock down a receiver for 3 -5 seconds at best. Remember, the receiver knows where he’s going, the DB has to react.
We need an athletic pass rusher that can get to QB on his own without the need for a blitz. You don’t have to be the best QB in the league if you have time to throw the ball, and make every read imaginable. I was so hoping the Saints were going to go after J. Peppers after he became available (pipe dream I know, but I can dream, right?) Can you imagine what our team would be like if we had a Peppers or J. Abraham who just love to eat QBs for lunch? Also, Greer has the some the worst tackling skills I’ve ever seen – damn.
I also didn’t realize that Jenkins would be out for this game. He was sorely missed.
update
Reggie’s injury was a “contusion”. That’s just a bruise, folks. What a pansy.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 11, 2011 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
That’s what they WANT you to believe. The damage was on the broken leg. Who knows what happened. rotoworld.com:
Reggie Bush-RB- Saints Jan. 10 – 1:28 pm et Coach Sean Payton revealed that Reggie Bush’s right leg injury in Saturday’s playoff loss would’ve cost him 2-3 weeks had the Saints’ season not ended in the 41-36 loss to Seattle. It’s fair to wonder if the right fibula he fractured in Week 2 was re-cracked against the Seahawks. In addition to struggling between the tackles, Bush has been a brittle pro. The Saints might be better off using him strictly on returns if they retain Bush for 2011. He doesn’t produce or hold up at tailback.
Don't take out the magic pen, don't draw on the infinity board
His Xray in the locker room was negative (meaning no re-crack).
There is a quote from Reggie around here somewhere, I don’t have the link, could someone help me out? To paraphrase he said: The Xray was negative, but I felt kind of slow, so I figured if there was someone else who was one hundred percent, they should be in the game instead of me.
Who? Deshawn Wynn? Heath Evans? Because of a bruise?
Look, I have no problem with getting it Xrayed considering it was the same leg, but once it is deemed not to be fractured, get back out there. What I suspect happened is at that moment, Reggie knowing he might be elsewhere next season, shut it down to not risk hurting his value next year, rather than put it all on the line for his team.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 11, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
I can't Believe...
I can’t believe all the fans calling for GW’s head and Harpers head. Our defense sucked this game but I will happily take their overall play this season. And seriously Harper has been awesume all year and I am not going to throw him under the bus because of this one game. Yeah was hoping for better but love our team and am lookin forward, not backward, to next season. WHO DAT, TWO DAT next year also!!!
When I say WHO DAT U say TWO DAT!!!
And I can't believe anyone would want to risk next season, which is promising (without a lock out)
Switching GW out now could be a bad idea. Last year was a learning curve but they have improved a lot this year.
My only question is why they kicked a** at the beginning of the season then progressively got worse. Conditioning? Lack of motivation? Just plain exhausted? If whatever it was could change they would have been one scary defense. All those goal line stands weren’t just good luck. They showed us the talent and proper coaching is in place.
Breesus Is My Homeboy
if we had a pass rush, Harper would have been fine
and it’s really hard to fault him for the TD where the TE fell down and popped up and got wide open. That was a tough one- a little luck. If our D-Line gives them enough time to complete a pass to a TE that falls down on the line of scrimmage, gets up and then gets open- that one is more on the D Line. No QB should have that much time.
Harper played poorly but had a very good season. Seattle had a great game plan and we did nothing to counter. Somehow we should have found a way to counter. We play an awful lot of man to man defense for a team that gets no pass rush.
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In need of speed rushers!
by saints fan in cowboyland! on Jan 9, 2011 9:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
oh, and in regards to Sharper
his career as a starter and maybe even as a player is pretty much over. But, even after getting surgery, sitting out half the season, and not being “game-ready” until, well, never actually..he was still our third best safety. It would have worked fine if Jenkins didn’t get injured- he worked pretty good going in on the nickel especially when Gay got injured as long as Jenkins was still in.
How in the world did we get all those injuries, anyway? 7 RBs, Jenkins, Graham, Shockey, Thomas, Gay, DThomas, Roby, Clark, Casilias, Waters, Reis, Long Snapper, Hargrove, – that’s just so unbelieveable and Atlanat lost basically Jerious Norwood while we lost almost an entire team. Even Drew got injured this year.
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Maybe I don't know enough
but it sure seems like a better strength and conditioning coach is needed.
by BigTMill on Jan 9, 2011 10:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed!
Something is off. The fact that so many people were injured in the last game of the year says something. Maybe it’s more dedication in the offseason to maintaining. At the very least focus on their God da**ed ankles. And with Reggie doing that annoying little side to side thing THAT DOESN’T WORK it’s no wonder his legs are f*cked.
Breesus Is My Homeboy
All i say is...
Wanting GW fired is crazy. I think some fans are getting out of hand. We have to remember the past and learn how far we have come. I think because we won a Superbowl some people expect nothing less than the Lombardi. I will not be rooting for the Seahawks. I like Aaron Rodgers and the Packers to make it. As I said earlier, I love Sharper but he needs to retire. Modeling and broadcasting is calling his name.I know that football is about business, and I dont know the fate of PT, but I would keep him. PT’s effort and heart on the football field is priceless to me. I dont blame PT trying to make some $. ( I would be pissed if I had to play with someone like Bush who makes a whole lot of money doing nothing). I cant wait to see how many teams are gonna try to get Nnamdi Asamough from the Raiders now that his contract is voided. Where will Vince play? Where will McNabb play? I also have to say congratulations to Leslie Fraizer.He is first African American head coach to come from a Historically Black College and University!
Yep you are right....
Alcorn State University is where he went to school.
by SaintsGirlnMS on Jan 10, 2011 1:18 AM CST up reply actions
I think Young should go to the Cards, McNabb can go to the Bills as a backup and rec’d ya on Frazier
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
by lovingmma25 on Jan 10, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
I had a bad feeling about our rush defense going into the game.
The Saints did show they were capable of stopping a strong rushing attack against Atl (second time around), but when they did face teams that were determined and tired to run right at them, they did not respond well for the most part with the overall stat numbers being about 16 in the league for yards rushing given up. Against Atl (earlier), Balt., Cleveland, SFran, and even Pitt, the Saints did not fare well in stopping a team that was determined and I knew it would be a problem in the playoffs.
The offense did admirably and put up plenty of enough points to win, but if you cannot run the ball effectively or can’t stop the run effectively, it is hard to win in the playoffs especially with the Saints not getting a lot of turnovers this year as compared to last year. Maybe the Saints can get a good nose tackle/D tackle with size like Austin out of Carolina in the draft.
"...never seem to get far enough, staying in between the lines, hold on—to what you can, waiting for the end, not knowing when, may the wind take your troubles away, may the wind take your troubles away, both feet on the floor, two hands on the wheel, may the wind take your troubles away...."
--Son Volt from the song "Windfall"
I saw what the announcers were saying, the secondary was spread out with the double stacks, but after they burn you once with it, you should have adjusted. This talk about GW getting canned, poppycock imho. He brought us up and into the superbowl and we won. I have heard talk about teams looking for him to be a new head coach, but the same thing was said last year when he went to the Saints. I think he will stay because he is the defense. SP lets him run the defense like a head coach. He turns the reins over to him and he has done well. I would liked to have seen more blitzes, but he had a plan, the only problem is the defense didn’t produce like he wanted them to.
I totally agree about GW,
and thought the knee jerk reaction from a lot of fans would be can him after things starting going badly, I totally disagree with it. We did blitz more in the second half and were getting to Hasselback more, but someone on here in a post game comment put it best that GW had players in the right position to make plays for the most part, they just did not tackle well or got pushed off the line, ect. I was watching that big dude Raji for the Packers and thought it would be good to have someone like that anchoring the line to help out Vilma and co. against the run.
"...never seem to get far enough, staying in between the lines, hold on—to what you can, waiting for the end, not knowing when, may the wind take your troubles away, may the wind take your troubles away, both feet on the floor, two hands on the wheel, may the wind take your troubles away...."
--Son Volt from the song "Windfall"
I think a lot of us had a bad feeling about this game.
Can’t say I wasn’t pissed, especially when it seemed like they had a chance to come back and then here comes Lynch with his 67 yard touchdown run.
Breesus Is My Homeboy
Is anyone else not seeing new comments highlighted and counted anymore?
I haven’t been to this thread since last night at 8:00 pm or so, and there is much present now that wasn’t here then, but I’m not seeing them highlighted and counted as new comments usually are…
Happiness is a warm blanket.
After a long 404 error period, SB Nation has fixed it.
Don't take out the magic pen, don't draw on the infinity board
yup - fixed now
I just sprayed some 409 on my screen and fixed it
Happiness is a warm blanket.
by Hans Petersen on Jan 10, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
I thought the defense tired out late in the game
without some of the usual rotations that involved Jenkins, Hargrove and Clark, they got tired. And it also seemed like some of the starters played more downs than they would have even without those three guys involved. I think it had its toll.
Also, regarding Sharper, it’s almost impossible for a player like him to achieve mid season form coming off of significant surgery without having a preseason or early season. I am not saying he has anything left in his tank, I don’t know- probably not. But without having so many injuries such as Gay and then when Porter/Greer/Jenkins got injured, he might have been released or inactive. He wasn’t kept on the roster to be an every-down starter this year.
If Pro is the opposite of Con, what is the opposite of Progress? Congress!
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The defense...
They failed to execute. Plain and simple. The blame can’t be placed completely on Gregg Williams’ shoulders. The defense played great all season and excelled even when the offense painted them into a corner.
"Now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
In note of Stinchcomb
I saw Bushrod get beat a lot more often on Saturday than I did Stinch. Yes, Stinch gave up the sack, but I counted at least five separate occasions where Bushrod got beat on a 3 man rush by Clemons using a simple inside spin move. Both those guys struggle big time against speed rush people and it clearly showed on Saturday. Can only hope Brown can upgrade at least one of those guys when he’s healthy next year.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
Just saying look at all of the positive...
Just wanted to say that you guys have had a hell of a year and a half. You still won a SB, have a great team and a great QB. I only wish my team were in as good as good of shape.
Unlike some of the people at DN, I always try to take the high road and shake hands when the game is over. For whatever reason, some others find it necessary to hold grudges forever and continue to air grievances for whatever reason a year later. I, for one, don’t endorse this and admire such a well run site like yours. Please don’t label all of us in that fashion.
All the best! Hope to see you all next year!
Also..
…my apologies for any insulting remarks made by those who choose to take the low road. Can only hope one day he will see the light or that if not, something will be done to change that authority.
by PurpleJesus on Jan 10, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for taking the high road.
And good luck with that QB drama.
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"The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades." - Timbuk3
Canal Street Chronicles-you know you want to
Thanks!
Yeah, the QB situation is unclear to say the least. I like Joe Webb and don’t take his average showing in the last game as a negative since it was played with only 4 days off. I like the kid and hope we invest the time in him, or give him a shot.
I think to effectively evaluate OTs as far as pass protection, your offense has have to have a running game
and you have to evaluate them on games where you pass 35 times or less. When the defense is just pinning their ears back and have basically very little run responsibility, most OTs are going to have a much harder time. Brees got sacked one time in 60 attempts. That stat isn’t so bad. That’s almost like 1 sack for two games worth of passing attempts for a lot of teams. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not sure if Stinchcomb should stay or whether or not he is good enough, but 60 passing attempts is pretty unheard of and puts the OL in a big disadvantage and nosiewise this is the most difficult NFL stadium for an offense.
Maybe we should jettison him or maybe not, but we have to develop a running game otherwise there are probably only 5 or 6 OT’s in the league that can do a great job when basically the defense knows we are throwing the ball every down.
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Nailed it Phil
60 pass attempts, is 60 times a O-Lineman is backpeddling or on his heals, run blocking is the opposite. Lack of a durable chain mover, hurts long term pass protection.
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.
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My three best qualities? Hard worker, Alpha male, Jackhammer- Dwight K. Shrutte
agreed
worst defensive game we’ve played this season by far and the most points we have given up since 07. Nobody could tackle the whole game. GW didn’t have that bad of a gameplan really. If they should be calling for anyone to be fired it should be Roman Harper, one of the better defensive players we’ve had this season. I honestly think he’d make a really good LB but he has no coverage skills really. Greer has had a serious decline this year. Maybe that’s why we drafted PRob? GW saw this as a good possibility(that and injuries of course) and figured we’d take a corner sooner rather than later. The play calling was alot of passing. I hated the playcalling on 4th and inches. Like Dave said, that should be a QB sneak if you’re going for it. I also didn’t like that we used Julius Jones so much. Our RBs depleted by injuries this year and Reggie is the only one that started the season with the Saints and didn’t make it to IR. Should have gone with Reggie imo. Also, around the 3rd quarter it looked like our D was giving up and the touchdown run by Lynch, no one was trying when he got close to the endzone. Pathetic game
Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!
Truthfully
I knew it was bad during the Raven game. As for Bush I knew it was going to be mentally tough for him after that whole heisman thing. You could see it in his eyes or the lack thereof. He just seemed to be somewhere else, bobbling passes, getting tackled on runs that even he usually gets out of. The run D just started getting worse and worse and without that threat of take away that we had last year, cats were just not afraid to throw on us.
How different do y’all think we will look next year?

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